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Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:28 pm

After engaging in formal talks with several airlines, Airbus will be announcing the launch of the A350-1000ULR. The A350-1000ULR is poised to compete head to head with the upcoming B777X. The new aircraft will have a longer range than the A350-900ULR which is currently in service, and will be capable of carrying more passengers.

Airbus commitment in launching the new aircraft comes after several talks with potential airlines who have shown interest in ordering the jet and converting current A350 orders to the newer jet. Airbus have stated that the new model will be available before in the market before the B777X

Is this a sign that Qantas will go forward with Airbus for its 'project Sunrise' aircraft?

Source: https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2019/08/1 ... 0-1000ulr/
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:35 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Is this a sign that Qantas will go forward with Airbus for its 'project Sunrise' aircraft?

Source: https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2019/08/1 ... 0-1000ulr/

I'd sure read it that way if I was a betting man.........
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:37 pm

Sounds like sunrise has a winner.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:42 pm

This certainly will spell trouble for the 778..... perhaps relegating that frame to a freighter only variant.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:46 pm

AirlineS being plural, do we have any idea who else might be interested ? TK for Aus ? CX for MIA ? QR ?
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:51 pm

I'm sure they are cashing in on Boeing's troubles, along with the next generation 777 delays they are expecting. Airbus is playing a game of chess, and winning at the moment.
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:53 pm

Does BA have any interest in operating nonstop to Australia? This would be a good plane for that.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:55 pm

Great news for Airbus if this is results in (or is a result of) the upcoming QF order.

Longer range and more passengers than the -900ULR, I wonder what the final specs will be and how it was achieved.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:06 pm

Prost wrote:
Does BA have any interest in operating nonstop to Australia? This would be a good plane for that.

Theoretically yes. It might capture back some of the 1stop premium traffic using the many eastbound alternatives that have eaten in to the UK Aus market.

But would it be viable? The daily LHR SIN SYD flight sees a reasonable amount of traffic as either local LHR SIN or SIN SYD in addition to the uk aus traffic. Which probably keeps that rotation in the profit side of the page.

But looking at an ADL or BNE non stop might be likely subject to the economics of the proposed ULR frame.

Of course also depends how bold QF Re with Sunrise. If they cover all.bases non stop to LHR then maybe not enough market
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:11 pm

Prost wrote:
Does BA have any interest in operating nonstop to Australia? This would be a good plane for that.


I think virgin has expressed some interest but if QF does it and BA has the A350 anyway its not off the cards. There are more
UK citizens living in Australia than all of Europe combined. Add to that its almost certain that commonwealth trade links
are about get significantly more important.

QF pretty much have made up there mind if they're doing this.
The only way Boeing can get this one now is going to be VERY VERY big discounts. Couple that with a limited market
with only a handful of carriers having any need for the jet.... say Singapore, Air NZ,(both for the Americas) obviously QF and potentially a British
carrier, and maybe a few Middle East carriers taking it for routes like Auckland, And at a stretch maybe Turkish, they're not
going to produce that many frames. Airbus has the upper hand here as a lot of the design work is already done in the
A350-900ULR.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:22 pm

The A350-1000ULR has the chance to be the B777X killer, especially the B777-8 killer (which is already selling bad and will be soon likely be as dead as a Dodo). And what airlines do not want to hear any more are trouble with the jet engines. OK, in my opinion the ongoing GE90 issues of the B777X are much less critical in comparison to the RR Trent 1000 of the B787 (and the Trent 7000 of the A330-Neo, as a family member of the Trent 1000 family), still they are there.
And as it is now pretty well seen in the last years, the performance of the Trent XWB of the A350 is just outstanding.
Unbelievable to see, that RR has developed a god mode engine with the Trent XWB and the pure 100% hell with the Trent 1000.
And as seen somewhere prior (just remind the A380), again half of all B777X orders were done by one airline; Emirates.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:35 pm

It seems a higher MTOW / payload is considered a viable business case by Airbus regardless of 10-20 aircraft for QF.

5-8t Extra cargo on the many ~6000NM flights from Asia (or e.g. Middle East..)is nothing to sneeze at. Improving attractiveness for most A340, A350 and 777(x) operators and customers.
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:36 pm

If anyone were to throw numbers on to the A350-1000ULR, anyone would have a guess on the MTOW and Range? I'm guessing the numbers competitive with the B777-8x
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:37 pm

I really do hope that Qantas selects the A350-1000. Boeing has really dropped the ball the last few years. With the entry into service difficulties and the Max.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:57 pm

Its a sad day for us 777 fans. I was hoping QF would pick the 778 but it seems like (given the launch by Airbus and no word from QF yet) that the A35J-ULR will be the Project Sunrise plane.

Congrats to Airbus though! The A350 is a fantastic plane that keeps getting better.
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:01 pm

I have seen a lot of bashing against the original author. If this report turns out to be true then this guy will actually become a credible source.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:03 pm

PHLspecial wrote:
If anyone were to throw numbers on to the A350-1000ULR, anyone would have a guess on the MTOW and Range?


I would not at all be surprised if the A350-1000ULR is like the A350-900ULR:

a) same operating weights (so a 319,000kg MTOW)
b) maximizing the available fuel volume (so at least 165,000 liters, but possibly up to 193,000 liters due to the larger center tank volume of the A350-1000)
c) trading payload for range (so less seats/cargo). It will be interesting if Airbus will need to deactivate the forward hold of the A350-1000ULR like they do the A350-900ULR when operating in ULR mode
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:14 pm

If this plane is "hot and high" friendly, then ET will definitely consider it. ET is currently evaluating the prospects of 77X; however, it's clear its loyalty to Boeing has waned over the past few years and the recent MAX crash hasn't helped either
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:23 pm

I wonder who the other airlines are. The current A350-1000 can cover most of the world's routes. This'll definitely be interesting to watch. Also don't be 100% sure Airbus is gonna win Sunrise. It sure looks that way but it wouldn't be too shocking to see Boeing come on top. Stranger things have happened
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:27 pm

ITSTours wrote:
I have seen a lot of bashing against the original author. If this report turns out to be true then this guy will actually become a credible source.


'Even a broken clock is right twice a day.' It takes more than one right call to be recognized as a credible source.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:28 pm

Stitch wrote:
PHLspecial wrote:
If anyone were to throw numbers on to the A350-1000ULR, anyone would have a guess on the MTOW and Range?


I would not at all be surprised if the A350-1000ULR is like the A350-900ULR:

a) same operating weights (so a 319,000kg MTOW)
b) maximizing the available fuel volume (so at least 165,000 liters, but possibly up to 193,000 liters due to the larger center tank volume of the A350-1000)
c) trading payload for range (so less seats/cargo). It will be interesting if Airbus will need to deactivate the forward hold of the A350-1000ULR like they do the A350-900ULR when operating in ULR mode
According to a previous post there will be an increase in MTOW.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:28 pm

I can't imagine why anyone at this point would buy the 778 given the option to buy the A350-1000ULR except for perhaps fleet commonality and even then, I would imagine the A350-1000ULR would be significantly less expensive to operate offsetting the commonality part.

Has a model type ever been improved so consistently and quickly following EIS like the A350? It was already an excellent plane that Airbus has continued to find ways improve.
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:30 pm

Welp, RIP ever seeing a 777 in QF colors.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:40 pm

Longer range than the A350-900ULR? I'd be impressed but call me skeptical. I realize it has a slightly larger wing but it's pretty rare that a stretch has longer range than the smaller aircraft when keeping the engine family and other main components the same. But hey, if they pull it off, kudos to them.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:43 pm

ethernal wrote:
Longer range than the A350-900ULR? I'd be impressed but call me skeptical. I realize it has a slightly larger wing but it's pretty rare that a stretch has longer range than the smaller aircraft when keeping the engine family and other main components the same. But hey, if they pull it off, kudos to them.


Well, the A350-1000 already has more range than the A350-900, so...
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:45 pm

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Its a sad day for us 777 fans. I was hoping QF would pick the 778 but it seems like (given the launch by Airbus and no word from QF yet) that the A35J-ULR will be the Project Sunrise plane.

Congrats to Airbus though! The A350 is a fantastic plane that keeps getting better.


Project Sunrise is just a niche market. When the 787-9 won for Qantas it was never a sad day for fans of the A350-900.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:00 pm

ethernal wrote:
Longer range than the A350-900ULR? I'd be impressed but call me skeptical. I realize it has a slightly larger wing but it's pretty rare that a stretch has longer range than the smaller aircraft when keeping the engine family and other main components the same. But hey, if they pull it off, kudos to them.

For the normal non-ULR -900 and non-ULR -1000, the -900 has 8,100nm range while the -1000 has 8,700nm range (it was 8,400nm until recently when they bumped the MTOW from 316t to 319t). Therefore it should be expected that the -1000ULR will have more range than the -900ULR.
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:21 pm

Will SQ be interested in a -1000ULR to increase capacity on LAX and NYC? The -900ULR can be reconfigured back to normal -900 standard.
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:27 pm

Love the looks of the -1000. How does it have longer range than 900ULR? Simply able to carry for fuel? Larger wing?
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:56 pm

Stitch wrote:
I would not at all be surprised if the A350-1000ULR is like the A350-900ULR:

a) same operating weights (so a 319,000kg MTOW)
b) maximizing the available fuel volume (so at least 165,000 liters, but possibly up to 193,000 liters due to the larger center tank volume of the A350-1000)
c) trading payload for range (so less seats/cargo). It will be interesting if Airbus will need to deactivate the forward hold of the A350-1000ULR like they do the A350-900ULR when operating in ULR mode


The -900 ulr was a little bit more than that iirc. The largest MTOW at the time it was announced was the 278 tonne variant built for PR, so there was a 2 tonne increase. The wing twist and sharklet revision was for the ULR but flight testing the ULR meant it reached service with an IB frame first.

Of course, the -1000 ULR may bring much less to the table, but given the demands of project sunrise that are clearly driving this, that would be a disappointment.
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:12 am

This is pretty exciting!
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:15 am

Stitch wrote:
I would not at all be surprised if the A350-1000ULR is like the A350-900ULR:
a) same operating weights (so a 319,000kg MTOW)
b) maximizing the available fuel volume (so at least 165,000 liters, but possibly up to 193,000 liters due to the larger center tank volume of the A350-1000)
c) trading payload for range (so less seats/cargo). It will be interesting if Airbus will need to deactivate the forward hold of the A350-1000ULR like they do the A350-900ULR when operating in ULR mode

I'm curious about the larger center tank. Are you referring to the tank inside the wing box? I had assumed that was the same volume as the A359, just with differences in plumbing and maybe in panel gauge (for strength). Or are you referring to use of ACTs/additional belly tanks?
 
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:42 am

I know people say HKG-MIA, but is there really a market for that route? Unless they are counting AA feeding from South America, I always wonder if this would work. This would make HKG-MEX viable technologically, but I don't know if there is a market for it either.
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:42 am

How concrete is the source?
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:48 am

tealnz wrote:
I'm curious about the larger center tank. Are you referring to the tank inside the wing box? I had assumed that was the same volume as the A359, just with differences in plumbing and maybe in panel gauge (for strength). Or are you referring to use of ACTs/additional belly tanks?


The A350-900 center tank has a volume of 80,947 liters. The A350-1000 center tank has a volume of 109,244 liters. The A350-900 and A350-1000 have identical wing volumes of 29,555 liters per side.

So an A350-900 has a maximum fuel volume of 138,000 liters (141,000 is optional) and the A350-1000 has a maximum fuel volume of 156,000 liters. There is a fair bit of unused volume in the wing tanks, so the A350-900ULR has modifications to use that volume, which bumps up it's total fuel volume to 165,000 liters. Assuming the A350-1000ULR will do the same, then that extra wing volume in addition to the larger center tank volume could provide up to a possible 193,000 liters.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:58 am

xwb777 wrote:
Is this a sign that Qantas will go forward with Airbus for its 'project Sunrise' aircraft?

Source: https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2019/08/1 ... 0-1000ulr/


Not only Project Sunrise, but it could also change the dynamics for Singapore Airlines. If there is longer range than the A359ULR, I see 9V-SBA-G being reconfigured back to a standard configuration, and Singapore Airlines ordering 7 for SQ21/2 and SQ37/8, in 4 classes (F, J, W, Y), although less than the 264 seats on the B77Ws, with a 1-1-1 F and a 1-2-1 J. Other likely customers (and their need), in addition to Qantas and Singapore Airlines:

Delta Air Lines - for Atlanta to Johannesburg
Emirates and Qatar Airways - for their Middle Eastern hubs to Auckland (they need the extra distance because Christchurch would be their alternate)

I could also see Airbus trying to pitch this to American Airlines as well for a route like MIA-JNB. Currently, they do not have a suitable plane to perform this route in their configuration with the elevation of O.R. Tambo Airport.

As for Qantas, I don't see this being just for SYD to Europe and JFK...but also for SYD-DFW, as I expect that Project Sunrise will have first class.

As for Singapore Airlines---I would actually ask: would SQ26/5, currently SIN-FRA-JFK be terminated at FRA, with SIN instead going nonstop to JFK using a time they might want as more suitable? Remember that SQ21/2, when it used the A345, arrived in Newark around 6 PM and departed near midnight back to SIN. Here, SIN might want to arrive at JFK around noontime (to feed into the JetBlue domestic network), possibly at a B6 gate, and depart around 11 PM connect to the morning bank at Changi. Also, SQ could likely offer first class on SIN-JFK and SIN-LAX nonstop.

An intriguing option could be British Airways---could they decide to try their hand at Australia-LHR nonstop using Mixed Fleet in a mid-J 4-class configuration?
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:05 am

airzona11 wrote:
Love the looks of the -1000. How does it have longer range than 900ULR? Simply able to carry for fuel? Larger wing?


Mainly through the MTOW being around 40-50 tonnes higher. The fuel burn between the -900 and -1000 is near identical at the same weight.

The standard fuel capacity on the -1000 is higher than the standard capacity on the -900, however at the marketing range they quote it is MTOW limited not fuel capacity limited.
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:07 am

Rumor added to the title as this not formal news from Airbus, but instead simply a blog story
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:08 am

Well, that's a heck of a message, although it can mean one of two things:

1) The obvious one, that QF have made their selection for Project Sunrise, or
2) Airbus is playing some bodyline cricket with QF, basically saying that they are going to build and certify this airplane whether. or not QF buy it, and if QF goes with the 778, Airbus is happy to turn around and offer a Sunrise-capable airplane to BA, NZ, SQ, etc., possibly before Boeing and GE iron out the bugs on the 778.

QF's entire strategy on Sunrise is to get there first, so this is maximum pressure by Airbus. It's also a strong show of confidence that Airbus will make up the cost of certification with sales to someone, which may either reflect confidence in the size of. the potential market, or confidence that offering and making the A35K-ULR will be very cheap.
 
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:30 am

TranscendZac wrote:

Has a model type ever been improved so consistently and quickly following EIS like the A350? It was already an excellent plane that Airbus has continued to find ways improve.


I'm not sure if it's as quick after EIS, but over the life of the program, the improvements that the A330 has seen have been nothing short of miraculous.

I mean just look at the A330CEO, if you compare the last 242t version to what was coming out of the production line in mid 90s, they are basically two completely different planes with different mission profiles.

I see Airbus continuing this with the A350, which is great, and why I'm not worried about the A350 (especially the A35J) being a slow seller for the time being. Airbus will continuously improve it and make it more capable, making it an attractive plane for more and more operators.

If there was a business case for the 778, that business case is now even narrower. Boeing should delay that for the time being IMO.
 
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:37 am

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AirlineS being plural, do we have any idea who else might be interested ? TK for Aus ? CX for MIA ? QR ?


I think there might be a few interested in the higher weights than the range. When Airbus pitched the 900ULR to SQ, its 280T became a standard offering which was taken up by other airlines even though they didn't need to fly as far.
 
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Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:39 am

PHLCVGAMTK wrote:
QF's entire strategy on Sunrise is to get there first, so this is maximum pressure by Airbus.


I don't disagree with you but there's another way to look at it. Airbus is telling QF that the A350-1000URL is not going to be an orphaned type, and is likely to have other operators around the world. That makes the proposition more attractive to QF, they don't want another 744ER on their hands.

Other than QF, I can see TK and SQ being interested in this plane.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:49 am

Lets see TK will have any excuse for not flying to SYD :devil:
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:59 am

Stitch wrote:
tealnz wrote:
I'm curious about the larger center tank. Are you referring to the tank inside the wing box? I had assumed that was the same volume as the A359, just with differences in plumbing and maybe in panel gauge (for strength). Or are you referring to use of ACTs/additional belly tanks?


The A350-900 center tank has a volume of 80,947 liters. The A350-1000 center tank has a volume of 109,244 liters. The A350-900 and A350-1000 have identical wing volumes of 29,555 liters per side.

So an A350-900 has a maximum fuel volume of 138,000 liters (141,000 is optional) and the A350-1000 has a maximum fuel volume of 156,000 liters. There is a fair bit of unused volume in the wing tanks, so the A350-900ULR has modifications to use that volume, which bumps up it's total fuel volume to 165,000 liters. Assuming the A350-1000ULR will do the same, then that extra wing volume in addition to the larger center tank volume could provide up to a possible 193,000 liters.

Thanks, but I can't make sense of that. I would have expected both variants to make full use of all the available wing tank volume to minimise wing bending moment. My impression – eg from analysis on the changes needed for the A359ULR – was that all the additional fuel volume had come from plumbing changes in the centre tank, with no changes to the actual wing box/centre tank physical volume . Where do you get the information on unused volume in the wing tanks?
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:25 am

[quote="BaconButty"]The -900 ulr was a little bit more than that iirc. The largest MTOW at the time it was announced was the 278 tonne variant built for PR, so there was a 2 tonne increase. The wing twist and sharklet revision was for the ULR but flight testing the ULR meant it reached service with an IB frame first. /quote]
That's not accurate: Airbus was promising 280T with modified door lining, empennage, etc for the standard A359 for nearly half a decade. It wasn't supposed to be available until 2020, and the modified winglets+twist were not part of the initial proposal.... but weights above the 278T ordered by the likes of PR was never reserved solely for the -ULR.
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:46 am

if A359ULR is doing only 161 passengers , how much can A351ULR do ? Not many more I reckon and I think all of this ULR should have waited for a new engine anyway.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:59 am

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TWA772LR wrote:
Its a sad day for us 777 fans. I was hoping QF would pick the 778 but it seems like (given the launch by Airbus and no word from QF yet) that the A35J-ULR will be the Project Sunrise plane.

Congrats to Airbus though! The A350 is a fantastic plane that keeps getting better.


Project Sunrise is just a niche market. When the 787-9 won for Qantas it was never a sad day for fans of the A350-900.


Project Sunrise is a niche market if it's only one airline (i.e. Qantas) with a handful of unique missions in mind. Assuming the linked article has any legitimate basis, the fact it discusses airlines (plural) makes it that much less niche. Still niche to an extent, but less niche. Off the top of my head, I'm already seeing potential applications for QF, VS, BA, SQ, and possibly CX. It might be too late, but I can see how NZ might also use this.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:02 am

TK & SQ have been mentionned as other possible buyers
Can someone explain to me why BA wouldn't want to fly LHR-SYD non-stop on their own metal ? Or why leave it all to QF ?
BA surely has public enough to tap into & get back market share away from the ME3+TK

LH, as Europe's largest airline might have a look at it too.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:19 am

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
AirlineS being plural, do we have any idea who else might be interested ? TK for Aus ? CX for MIA ? QR ?

Definitely CX. They were in talks with Airbus about having an aircraft capable of making the journey to MIA.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/busine ... 34607.html

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I know people say HKG-MIA, but is there really a market for that route? Unless they are counting AA feeding from South America, I always wonder if this would work. This would make HKG-MEX viable technologically, but I don't know if there is a market for it either.

The annual Hong Kong-Miami traffic is in the 100,000 passenger range. Asia-Miami O&D passenger traffic at nearly 350,000 annual passengers. Plus Miami does offer the best connecting opportunities for the Hong Kong-Latin America/Caribbean traveler which is now at over 100,000 passengers annually.

CX has made it clear they want to fly to MIA. Swire (which acquired CX) has a huge presence in Miami.
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:15 am

tealnz wrote:
Thanks, but I can't make sense of that. I would have expected both variants to make full use of all the available wing tank volume to minimise wing bending moment. My impression – eg from analysis on the changes needed for the A359ULR – was that all the additional fuel volume had come from plumbing changes in the centre tank, with no changes to the actual wing box/centre tank physical volume . Where do you get the information on unused volume in the wing tanks?


An article on Leeham.net noted that Airbus told them the wingbox of the A350 was roomy enough to accommodate the extra fuel volume. Now they could have been referring to the center wingbox rather than the wing wingboxes, but Airbus has also stated that the extra fuel volume was made possible by adjusting the fuel inerting and venting systems in the wings. So I am inclined to believe that this extra volume is being found in the wing tanks.
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