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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:37 am

As a passenger, my only complaint about the 777 is how noisy it is. I don't know if the -X models will be any better in that regard, but the A350's quiet cabin would IMHO be a huge bonus on a 20+ hours flight.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:39 am

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This certainly will spell trouble for the 778..... perhaps relegating that frame to a freighter only variant.

Not even the 778 or the KULR has been built yet, and people are already spewing doom.

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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:42 am

Why is Airbus so afraid to just go another digit up? Just call the damn thing an A350-1100. Enough with this neo/XLR/ULR/VCR crap...
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:44 am

Let's approach this announcement with a hint of critical thought. So we know Alex the reporter as someone who clearly has financial ties with Airbus. Maybe someone can glean light onto this, but there is some strong connection there. (maybe that's why he got the scoop) Also, he's always is talking up Airbus seemingly unprompted.

The next one is Airbus need to make a splash. Everyone kinda thought Boeing would win this because their plane has been king of long haul and here comes another that has been built totally bespoke for range.

Personally I'm not convinced that Joyce will go after a long haul Airbus after his experience with the a380.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:51 am

The A350J has gotten off to a pedestrian start for several reasons, notably how good the A359 is and we are still early in the 777W replacement cycle, but I really believe it's on the verge of breaking out. We could easily see the 1000 ULR be the best selling LR frame ever, especially it if can go 4 Class at 250+ seats or 3 class at around 300. BA,QF, TK, the ME3 and all the Pacific carriers that aren't wholly tied to Boeing WBs could be on the table for such a frame.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:09 am

DarthLobster wrote:
Why is Airbus so afraid to just go another digit up? Just call the damn thing an A350-1100. Enough with this neo/XLR/ULR/VCR crap...



To be fair the terms A350-1100 and A350-8000 have already been used in relation to the next A360 update. We have had threads on these proposals before.
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:16 am

Any MTOW increase makes a stretch more likely.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:33 am

DarthLobster wrote:
Why is Airbus so afraid to just go another digit up? Just call the damn thing an A350-1100. Enough with this neo/XLR/ULR/VCR crap...


Because no fuselage stretch, only internal modifications. Can't wait for the A350neo-1100 XLR
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:12 am

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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:14 am

Let us not forget. Airbus is also marketing the ULR as an a380 replacement to customers. So think about in that aspect as well
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:31 am

danj555 wrote:
Let's approach this announcement with a hint of critical thought. So we know Alex the reporter as someone who clearly has financial ties with Airbus. Maybe someone can glean light onto this, but there is some strong connection there. (maybe that's why he got the scoop) Also, he's always is talking up Airbus seemingly unprompted.

The next one is Airbus need to make a splash. Everyone kinda thought Boeing would win this because their plane has been king of long haul and here comes another that has been built totally bespoke for range.

Personally I'm not convinced that Joyce will go after a long haul Airbus after his experience with the a380.

I think he might actually. The issue with the A380 is that it was too large and not that fuel efficient. The A350 offers one of the best fuel efficiencies. The perfect size (no need for gate transformation) and can carry enough passengers on a long haul route. Specifically the A350-1000ULR
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:13 am

Stitch wrote:
I would not at all be surprised if the A350-1000ULR is like the A350-900ULR:

a) same operating weights (so a 319,000kg MTOW)


Actually it was the other way round:
1. ULR introduced 280t version (from 275t standard)
2. 280t became option for standard as well.

If it goes like that, I expect ULR to be another MTOW upgrade (likely 3 to 5 t, to become 9000nm+ oficially), and probably as in 359ULR there will be a software upgrade to increase usable fuel. Just by having that, plus a low density config, another 5 tons saved, it would have the required 9500nm range.

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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:15 am

danj555 wrote:
Let's approach this announcement with a hint of critical thought. So we know Alex the reporter as someone who clearly has financial ties with Airbus. Maybe someone can glean light onto this, but there is some strong connection there. (maybe that's why he got the scoop) Also, he's always is talking up Airbus seemingly unprompted.


No idea about financial ties, but it's clear Airbus is giving him news to report, so this isn't anything ground-braking.

As someone else said, even a broken clock is right two times a day. However, he was very slow to the game in February when Airbus announced the emirates a3330neo and a350 / A380 cancellation deal.

Very clear Airbus uses hom for there messaging when it suits. He is shamelessly pro-Airbus and revells in the Delight of max problems.

But to the topic - any 1000Lr would kill off interest in the 900KR, for which only Singapore always is the customer.

Ah well....
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:22 am

Stitch wrote:
b) maximizing the available fuel volume (so at least 165,000 liters, but possibly up to 193,000 liters due to the larger center tank volume of the A350-1000)


I would not be surprised if there is still some volume available in the A350 tankage beyond the ULR's 165kl.
That said:
Where do you see the larger wing box on the -1000 model?
For all that is known the basic wing is the same across the family.
The -1000 gets a slightly deeper trailing edge and material strengthening.

( Separation walls between center and wing tanks are in the wing and not at the center wing box boundary.
http://bloga350.blogspot.com/2014/09/ho ... -hold.html , second image down.)
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:54 am

is it just rebrending 350-1000 with 319t MTOW or something new?
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1424673

or just extra fuel tanks for 351?
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:11 am

Opus99 wrote:
I think he might actually. The issue with the A380 is that it was too large and not that fuel efficient. The A350 offers one of the best fuel efficiencies. The perfect size (no need for gate transformation) and can carry enough passengers on a long haul route. Specifically the A350-1000ULR


Unless the 777X beats expectations, then the A350-1000 will offer a significantly lower trip cost, which the 777-9 offsets by a larger seat count to have approximately equivalent CASM.

We seen how that worked out for Airbus on A380.

If the A350-1000 can have its range developed to be roughly equivalent to 777-8, then I simply see no demand for the -8. It doesn't have a trip or CASM advantage and you are waiting years for a delivery.


Boeing & GE may have their work cut out for them to make my first 5 words very relevant to the discussion.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:56 am

Vladex wrote:
if A359ULR is doing only 161 passengers , how much can A351ULR do ? Not many more I reckon and I think all of this ULR should have waited for a new engine anyway.

161 is SQ's chosen configuration, and not a hard limit on the A359ULR's capabilities.


DarthLobster wrote:
Why is Airbus so afraid to just go another digit up? Just call the damn thing an A350-1100. Enough with this neo/XLR/ULR/VCR crap...

Quite simply because there's no fuselage stretch, it's simply a modification of an extant variant.

Same thing at Boeing: a 777-200LR had a new engine, new wingtip devices, new tires, new internal plumbing options, and vastly different weight limits.... but it was still a 777-200 frame. Hence only the suffix change.
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:02 am

Great to see how both Airbus and Boeing are able to dig out more range incrementally for their flagship twins in their larger iteration. I do wonder whether if this is true we might see some airlines walking away from A359 and 779X orders to go 78J or A35K as they seem to be the most efficient in terms of payload /range. Interesting times.

People have mentioned BA and I wonder whether, as a A35K user currently, they might be interested in getting a few of these notional A35K-ULRs. Would they be able to lift more on say, EZE or SIN non-stop from LHR than the baseline A35K they have right now? If so I can see BA picking them up even if they don't decide to SYD/MEL/BNE/PER etc non-stop. (whether these routes are viable and would make money is another question).

Biggest losers with this bird if it is as capable as the report states are the ME3. Why stop in the middle east when you can just fly right over it?
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:23 am

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Great to see how both Airbus and Boeing are able to dig out more range incrementally for their flagship twins in their larger iteration. I do wonder whether if this is true we might see some airlines walking away from A359 and 779X orders to go 78J or A35K as they seem to be the most efficient in terms of payload /range. Interesting times.



Well, my current airline, which is a die-hard Boeing customer ever since, is doing just that. They are hinting that the next order will be A35K or 78J...
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:32 am

thepinkmachine wrote:
CHRISBA35X wrote:
Great to see how both Airbus and Boeing are able to dig out more range incrementally for their flagship twins in their larger iteration. I do wonder whether if this is true we might see some airlines walking away from A359 and 779X orders to go 78J or A35K as they seem to be the most efficient in terms of payload /range. Interesting times.



Well, my current airline, which is a die-hard Boeing customer ever since, is doing just that. They are hinting that the next order will be A35K or 78J...

Is your Airline BA?
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:38 am

IAG currently had 9 A359 orders for aer lingus. But they’ve confirmed that they no longer wish to use the A350 for that. They’ve given 4 to Iberia and the remaining 5 are still undecided. I believe they might convert them to an A35K (maybe ULR) for BA. Thoughts?
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:54 am

I suspect we might see FrenchBlue look at a few of these to do PPT - CDG non-stop. I know TN said they were looking at it, not sure how good the yield premiums are to go non-stop.

Who else?

VS - they don't fly anywhere that needs the range.
SQ - could definitely see them getting a few of these, has to be a better and more efficient solution for SIN-EWR/LAX/SFO non-stop.
CX - more or less a foregone conclusion i'd say.
NZ - I still think they'll go 779X for their 77W replacement but if true this A35K-ULR will give them something to think about.
QF - I still think they'll focus on a 789/789/78J fleet for long-haul and I still struggle to see them buying A350, but if they do it will surely be this one.
DL - might be too big but would offer seriously compelling economics on some of their longer routes.
CA - for US East Coast runs.
TK - I'd be amazed if they didn't.
CI - ditto
JJ - is there any demand to do GIG/GRU to Asia non-stop?
AF - not sure they need the range?
LH - ditto. Unless Australia is back on the cards but that would be a major surprise.
JL - do they need the range?
NH - same?
QR - nailed on.
EK - more or less guaranteed.

Anyone else?

The problem is in most of these cases the A35K-ULR (if it is as good as the report reckons...) is competing largely against the baseline A35K model for sales, not so much the 778/9X in all but a few cases.

I'd like to see the numbers of much more efficient the baseline A35K is vs the ULR on routes of 4,000NM. It is isnt competitive on the milk runs it'll still just be a niche player, but if it is then it will dominate like the 77W did vs the A345/6 and 773A. How much weight does all this supposed extra range cost? Guess we'll find out in due course.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:07 am

CHRISBA35X wrote:
I suspect we might see FrenchBlue look at a few of these to do PPT - CDG non-stop. I know TN said they were looking at it, not sure how good the yield premiums are to go non-stop.

Who else?

VS - they don't fly anywhere that needs the range.
SQ - could definitely see them getting a few of these, has to be a better and more efficient solution for SIN-EWR/LAX/SFO non-stop.
CX - more or less a foregone conclusion i'd say.
NZ - I still think they'll go 779X for their 77W replacement but if true this A35K-ULR will give them something to think about.
QF - I still think they'll focus on a 789/789/78J fleet for long-haul and I still struggle to see them buying A350, but if they do it will surely be this one.
DL - might be too big but would offer seriously compelling economics on some of their longer routes.
CA - for US East Coast runs.
TK - I'd be amazed if they didn't.
CI - ditto
JJ - is there any demand to do GIG/GRU to Asia non-stop?
AF - not sure they need the range?
LH - ditto. Unless Australia is back on the cards but that would be a major surprise.
JL - do they need the range?
NH - same?
QR - nailed on.
EK - more or less guaranteed.

Anyone else?

The problem is in most of these cases the A35K-ULR (if it is as good as the report reckons...) is competing largely against the baseline A35K model for sales, not so much the 778/9X in all but a few cases.

I'd like to see the numbers of much more efficient the baseline A35K is vs the ULR on routes of 4,000NM. It is isnt competitive on the milk runs it'll still just be a niche player, but if it is then it will dominate like the 77W did vs the A345/6 and 773A. How much weight does all this supposed extra range cost? Guess we'll find out in due course.

When you say CA? Do you mean BA?
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:07 am

CHRISBA35X wrote:
The problem is in most of these cases the A35K-ULR (if it is as good as the report reckons...) is competing largely against the baseline A35K model for sales, not so much the 778/9X in all but a few cases.


Since any sort of more costs extra, Airbus would probably be quite happy of only ULRs get ordered. More money for the same plane with few numbers swapped in the paperwork is basically profit, once R&D has paid off.

I can see why it doesn't directly compete with the 777-9, but the 778 would clearly be the target, as that is the only other aircraft in that class

I'd like to see the numbers of much more efficient the baseline A35K is vs the ULR on routes of 4,000NM. It is isnt competitive on the milk runs it'll still just be a niche player, but if it is then it will dominate like the 77W did vs the A345/6 and 773A. How much weight does all this supposed extra range cost? Guess we'll find out in due course.


It will probably cost no extra weight or very close to that. Whatever the structural changes are, they will be incorporated in every A351 once available.
So, same payload on same router will very likely end up with the same fuel burn. Just on a more expensive plane with more head room.

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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:20 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
An intriguing option could be British Airways---could they decide to try their hand at Australia-LHR nonstop using Mixed Fleet in a mid-J 4-class configuration?


Agree that BA would be an intriguing option, but unlikely in my view. All BA would probably do is stick some BA flight numbers on the QF flight, and I'm pretty sure Alan Joyces' Sunrise business plan would be maximising the BA/OW presence at LHR......... Alan and Willie would have no doubt talked this one through........

How close to reality does the A350-1000u take BA to a LHR-AKL non-stop? Sounds crazy I know, but it doesn't seem all that long ago LHR-SYD was being described as crazy........

Another interested customer maybe EK, especially if they are reconsidering their 777x order......
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:35 am

CHRISBA35X wrote:
I suspect we might see FrenchBlue look at a few of these to do PPT - CDG non-stop. I know TN said they were looking at it, not sure how good the yield premiums are to go non-stop.


PPT-CDG/ORY would be indeed a good place to use long-range, and it would allow to avoid the long security checks at LAX, SFO or others US airports. AF will launch a service between PPT and CDG via Vancouver (with code-sharing), to avoid this kind of problems.

French Bee has already 2x A350-1000 on order, deliveries starting in 2021, a conversion could be feasible with some delays. Don't forget that French Bee is a LCC, not sure if the LCC passengers are willing to pay premium to reduce flight time.

Air France can order them also, for the same route.

Air Tahiti Nui would also like to launch direct flight to Paris, but it's not officialy studied as the current 787-9 fleet doesn't have the range.
A mixed fleet would be unlikely.

Aircalin between NOU-CDG/ORY? I have no idea of the economic viability of such a route, but it's a long-range

In each case, very small fleets. I'm not sure if the travellers of those holiday destinations are ready to spend 20h in a single a flight.
But the technical feat of a direct link between metropolitan France and its overseas territories would be beautiful.
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:47 am

Opus99 wrote:
CHRISBA35X wrote:
I suspect we might see FrenchBlue look at a few of these to do PPT - CDG non-stop. I know TN said they were looking at it, not sure how good the yield premiums are to go non-stop.

Who else?

VS - they don't fly anywhere that needs the range.
SQ - could definitely see them getting a few of these, has to be a better and more efficient solution for SIN-EWR/LAX/SFO non-stop.
CX - more or less a foregone conclusion i'd say.
NZ - I still think they'll go 779X for their 77W replacement but if true this A35K-ULR will give them something to think about.
QF - I still think they'll focus on a 789/789/78J fleet for long-haul and I still struggle to see them buying A350, but if they do it will surely be this one.
DL - might be too big but would offer seriously compelling economics on some of their longer routes.
CA - for US East Coast runs.
TK - I'd be amazed if they didn't.
CI - ditto
JJ - is there any demand to do GIG/GRU to Asia non-stop?
AF - not sure they need the range?
LH - ditto. Unless Australia is back on the cards but that would be a major surprise.
JL - do they need the range?
NH - same?
QR - nailed on.
EK - more or less guaranteed.

Anyone else?

The problem is in most of these cases the A35K-ULR (if it is as good as the report reckons...) is competing largely against the baseline A35K model for sales, not so much the 778/9X in all but a few cases.

I'd like to see the numbers of much more efficient the baseline A35K is vs the ULR on routes of 4,000NM. It is isnt competitive on the milk runs it'll still just be a niche player, but if it is then it will dominate like the 77W did vs the A345/6 and 773A. How much weight does all this supposed extra range cost? Guess we'll find out in due course.

When you say CA? Do you mean BA?


No - Air China.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:50 am

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
CHRISBA35X wrote:
I suspect we might see FrenchBlue look at a few of these to do PPT - CDG non-stop. I know TN said they were looking at it, not sure how good the yield premiums are to go non-stop.

Who else?

VS - they don't fly anywhere that needs the range.
SQ - could definitely see them getting a few of these, has to be a better and more efficient solution for SIN-EWR/LAX/SFO non-stop.
CX - more or less a foregone conclusion i'd say.
NZ - I still think they'll go 779X for their 77W replacement but if true this A35K-ULR will give them something to think about.
QF - I still think they'll focus on a 789/789/78J fleet for long-haul and I still struggle to see them buying A350, but if they do it will surely be this one.
DL - might be too big but would offer seriously compelling economics on some of their longer routes.
CA - for US East Coast runs.
TK - I'd be amazed if they didn't.
CI - ditto
JJ - is there any demand to do GIG/GRU to Asia non-stop?
AF - not sure they need the range?
LH - ditto. Unless Australia is back on the cards but that would be a major surprise.
JL - do they need the range?
NH - same?
QR - nailed on.
EK - more or less guaranteed.

Anyone else?

The problem is in most of these cases the A35K-ULR (if it is as good as the report reckons...) is competing largely against the baseline A35K model for sales, not so much the 778/9X in all but a few cases.

I'd like to see the numbers of much more efficient the baseline A35K is vs the ULR on routes of 4,000NM. It is isnt competitive on the milk runs it'll still just be a niche player, but if it is then it will dominate like the 77W did vs the A345/6 and 773A. How much weight does all this supposed extra range cost? Guess we'll find out in due course.

When you say CA? Do you mean BA?


No - Air China.

Oh. You didn’t include a BA prediction in your list
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:51 am

I doubt SQ would want any of these, they have stated that they struggle to fill the back of the -900 and considering the markets they serve and the stage lengths, it is crucial for them to preserve yields. I see them adding frequencies before buying bigger planes.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:58 am

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
I doubt SQ would want any of these, they have stated that they struggle to fill the back of the -900 and considering the markets they serve and the stage lengths, it is crucial for them to preserve yields. I see them adding frequencies before buying bigger planes.


Or, they think that trip cost will be fairly close, they but more seats up front, depending on which demand is more volatile over time. Given J pricing filling only half the extra J seats on average may be ok if trip costs don´t explode. In the same sense that an A380 could make a lot of money, where the Premium space could be filled some days.

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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:03 am

On the side, Sin has 7 A350ULR. Where do they ues them? 2 for new york and 2 for los Angelos.But there are tree more ?
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:22 am

Opus99 wrote:
CHRISBA35X wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
When you say CA? Do you mean BA?


No - Air China.

Oh. You didn’t include a BA prediction in your list


I did upthread.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:23 am

LaunchDetected wrote:
CHRISBA35X wrote:
I suspect we might see FrenchBlue look at a few of these to do PPT - CDG non-stop. I know TN said they were looking at it, not sure how good the yield premiums are to go non-stop.


PPT-CDG/ORY would be indeed a good place to use long-range, and it would allow to avoid the long security checks at LAX, SFO or others US airports. AF will launch a service between PPT and CDG via Vancouver (with code-sharing), to avoid this kind of problems.

French Bee has already 2x A350-1000 on order, deliveries starting in 2021, a conversion could be feasible with some delays. Don't forget that French Bee is a LCC, not sure if the LCC passengers are willing to pay premium to reduce flight time.

Air France can order them also, for the same route.

Air Tahiti Nui would also like to launch direct flight to Paris, but it's not officialy studied as the current 787-9 fleet doesn't have the range.
A mixed fleet would be unlikely.

Aircalin between NOU-CDG/ORY? I have no idea of the economic viability of such a route, but it's a long-range

In each case, very small fleets. I'm not sure if the travellers of those holiday destinations are ready to spend 20h in a single a flight.
But the technical feat of a direct link between metropolitan France and its overseas territories would be beautiful.


Don't the French airlines flying to Tahiti usually pick up a lot of passengers in the US?
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:25 am

tvh wrote:
On the side, Sin has 7 A350ULR. Where do they ues them? 2 for new york and 2 for los Angelos.But there are tree more ?

SFO too.

One is for backup.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:28 am

A twitter account mentioned that the official announcement is expected at Dubai Airshow.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:44 am

xwb777 wrote:
A twitter account mentioned that the official announcement is expected at Dubai Airshow.

aaaaaaaaaaand the pieces begin to fall in to place.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:46 am

Why would SQ get this plane if they already have the 777x on order? Same with British Airways or any airlines that already chosen the 777x
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:00 pm

This development would provide the natural platform for a stretch down the line.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:00 pm

Vladex wrote:
if A359ULR is doing only 161 passengers , how much can A351ULR do ? Not many more I reckon and I think all of this ULR should have waited for a new engine anyway.


I think the official figure for the stated 9700nm still air range (sea level take off) of A359ULR is based on 170 passengers. If we assume same still air range, my guess would be somewhere around 270-275 due to its much higher MTOW. For sunrise routes, QF would probably configure them with 250 seats if they get it.

Aviation737 wrote:
Why would SQ get this plane if they already have the 777x on order? Same with British Airways or any airlines that already chosen the 777x


Probably because of additional floor space. SQ configurations are lighter than most. 779 would be for the trunk routes that require F seats. Plus they will also need to replace their A380s and 779 is the closest thing at the moment.

CHRISBA35X wrote:
I suspect we might see FrenchBlue look at a few of these to do PPT - CDG non-stop. I know TN said they were looking at it, not sure how good the yield premiums are to go non-stop.

FrenchBee (I hope that's what you meant) are a low cost leisure airlines and they fill their aircrafts to the brim with seats. As of now, their upcoming A35Ks are supposed to be 488 seats. That might barely get them to HNL from CDG, not PPT.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:16 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
BaconButty wrote:
The -900 ulr was a little bit more than that iirc. The largest MTOW at the time it was announced was the 278 tonne variant built for PR, so there was a 2 tonne increase. The wing twist and sharklet revision was for the ULR but flight testing the ULR meant it reached service with an IB frame first.

That's not accurate: Airbus was promising 280T with modified door lining, empennage, etc for the standard A359 for nearly half a decade. It wasn't supposed to be available until 2020, and the modified winglets+twist were not part of the initial proposal.... but weights above the 278T ordered by the likes of PR was never reserved solely for the -ULR.

The SIA order was the first order for a 280T version. Whether some improvements were mooted in advance, the SIA order was clearly the catalyst for bringing them into service. As for the wing twist - leeham remembers it like me:
For the A350, Airbus decided to combine a change of the wing twist with a taller, different shape winglet, to get an even wider and more optimal spanload distribution. The new wing and Sharklet shall be ready for the rollout of the first Singapore Airlines A350-900URL next year, giving this aircraft its longer legs. It will then find its way to the standard A350-900 and -1000.


Again, I find it hard to believe that SIA's order wasn't the driver for this. SIA need range, Airbus puts together a package of improvements aimed at increasing range, they appear at or around the appearance of the first ULR - maybe it's serendipity but I doubt it. I'm only going off stuff in the public domain, you may have better info.

Anyway, it's pretty academic, since the volume of change Airbus put into the -900ULR doesn't say a great deal about the scope of the -1000ULR. I'd be stunned and disappointed if it's just increasing internal fuel volume though - given that the 319T mtow version was sold to Qatar last year.
Down with that sort of thing!
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:20 pm

Will the A350-1000ULR have its own designation? Its hard to keep track of!

A350-900 - 359
A350-900ULR - 35L
A350-1000 - 35K
A350-1000ULR - ??? 35U?
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:23 pm

I could see the EU3, VS, JL/NH, CX, CA, CZ ,TK and QF/NZ/VA ordering the A35K ULR...
EU3/VS to fly to SYD/MEL for these airlines a sub fleet of maybe 5 when you already have a bunch of that same type isn’t that much of a hassle compare to introducing a new type to only have like 5 planes.
TK to fly SYD/MEL/BNE
JL/NH/CX to go to Central /South America or Miami
CZ they said recently they wanted to be a 6 continent airline...
CA because they can fly n/s to places in Central America non stop where the Chinese Government most likely tell them to go.
QF/VA to go to Europe non stop and NYC. This may also help when VA replaces their 330/777 fleet rumour is they favour the A350
NZ at some stage they will need to replace the 77W plus ability to fly to NYC/IAD non stop.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:25 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
This development would provide the natural platform for a stretch down the line.


I thought that too. That would be a CASM beast alright.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:27 pm

CHRISBA35X wrote:
I suspect we might see FrenchBlue look at a few of these to do PPT - CDG non-stop. I know TN said they were looking at it, not sure how good the yield premiums are to go non-stop.

FrenchBee (I hope that's what you meant) are a low cost leisure airlines and they fill their aircrafts to the brim with seats. As of now, their upcoming A35Ks are supposed to be 488 seats. That might barely get them to HNL from CDG, not PPT.[/quote]

Correct yes sorry. 488 seats is crazy. For sure I wouldn't want to be on one of those non-stop to HNL let alone PPT. Cant imagine they carry a lot of cargo though.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:50 pm

FlyHPN wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
A twitter account mentioned that the official announcement is expected at Dubai Airshow.

aaaaaaaaaaand the pieces begin to fall in to place.


Hmm.
The EK B777X renegotiate and delay, combined with this news ... I guess it can really make you wonder.

Quote
"Airbus intend to have the aircraft available to airline customers before the 777X is able to gain a significant hold of the extreme end of the long-haul market."

Sounds like the B777X could have a knife to its throat especially if there are more delays, but how can the A350-1000ULR EIS before 2022?
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:59 pm

chiad wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
A twitter account mentioned that the official announcement is expected at Dubai Airshow.

aaaaaaaaaaand the pieces begin to fall in to place.


Hmm.
The EK B777X renegotiate and delay, combined with this news ... I guess it can really make you wonder.

Quote
"Airbus intend to have the aircraft available to airline customers before the 777X is able to gain a significant hold of the extreme end of the long-haul market."

Sounds like the B777X could have a knife to its throat especially if there are more delays, but how can the A350-1000ULR EIS before 2022?

I think they are targeting the 778 more with that statement. The 779 will still be a larger aircraft. The 778 is similar size but larger range. Airbus is closing/eliminating that range gap.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:01 pm

chiad wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
A twitter account mentioned that the official announcement is expected at Dubai Airshow.

aaaaaaaaaaand the pieces begin to fall in to place.


Hmm.
The EK B777X renegotiate and delay, combined with this news ... I guess it can really make you wonder.

Quote
"Airbus intend to have the aircraft available to airline customers before the 777X is able to gain a significant hold of the extreme end of the long-haul market."

Sounds like the B777X could have a knife to its throat especially if there are more delays, but how can the A350-1000ULR EIS before 2022?


Depends what they are doing to it really. If it is simply a case of adding more tankage and tweaks in flight control software etc to accomodate it, perhaps with some small changes eg modified brakes, carbon fibre LG doors, etc then i guess it is possible as the structure is there and its just a case of doing the mods and then testing them. It is possible in this scenario we could see something done quite quickly though EIS before 2022 would be unusually fast even for Airbus.

But if it is a thrust bump, tweaked wing, new sharklet design, redesign of wingbox structure to fit the tankage etc then no i dont see EIS before 2022.

I guess this then leads to the obvious question - how many slam dunk 77X customers for the -8 and -9 who havent ordered yet will now wait an additional 1-2 years to take this proposed A35X variant? Can there be many who are now sittng on the fence? I'm not sure to be honest. My feeling is very few have altered or will alter their future ordering strategy on the basis of this new variant. As mentioned upthread I suspect this group would consist largely of anyone looking to order 778X who have not already done so. Like I say, it cant be many.
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:08 pm

chiad wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
A twitter account mentioned that the official announcement is expected at Dubai Airshow.

aaaaaaaaaaand the pieces begin to fall in to place.


Hmm.
The EK B777X renegotiate and delay, combined with this news ... I guess it can really make you wonder.

Quote
"Airbus intend to have the aircraft available to airline customers before the 777X is able to gain a significant hold of the extreme end of the long-haul market."

Sounds like the B777X could have a knife to its throat especially if there are more delays, but how can the A350-1000ULR EIS before 2022?

Minimal certification needed as it’s technical changes and not structural. The 777X delays will be a problem for Boeing if airlines get fed up will they move to a35K ULR? My question is can the A35K ULR compete with the 777-9
 
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Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:13 pm

Opus99 wrote:
chiad wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
aaaaaaaaaaand the pieces begin to fall in to place.


Hmm.
The EK B777X renegotiate and delay, combined with this news ... I guess it can really make you wonder.

Quote
"Airbus intend to have the aircraft available to airline customers before the 777X is able to gain a significant hold of the extreme end of the long-haul market."

Sounds like the B777X could have a knife to its throat especially if there are more delays, but how can the A350-1000ULR EIS before 2022?

Minimal certification needed as it’s technical changes and not structural. The 777X delays will be a problem for Boeing if airlines get fed up will they move to a35K ULR? My question is can the A35K ULR compete with the 777-9


It already does. They are basically equal on CASM and the 777-9 has newer engines.. Once the A350 is NEO'd it will be ball game except for the carriers that really need the space.. In an ever fragmenting market that pool will become smaller and smaller.. I still expect the 777X to deliver around 500 copies which should be considered success considering it's not a clean sheet.
 
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Re: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

Wed Aug 14, 2019 1:14 pm

Lufthansa wrote:
Prost wrote:
Does BA have any interest in operating nonstop to Australia? This would be a good plane for that.


I think virgin has expressed some interest but if QF does it and BA has the A350 anyway its not off the cards. There are more
UK citizens living in Australia than all of Europe combined. Add to that its almost certain that commonwealth trade links
are about get significantly more important.

QF pretty much have made up there mind if they're doing this.
The only way Boeing can get this one now is going to be VERY VERY big discounts. Couple that with a limited market
with only a handful of carriers having any need for the jet.... say Singapore, Air NZ,(both for the Americas) obviously QF and potentially a British
carrier, and maybe a few Middle East carriers taking it for routes like Auckland, And at a stretch maybe Turkish, they're not
going to produce that many frames. Airbus has the upper hand here as a lot of the design work is already done in the
A350-900ULR.

IAG (BA) does hold options on the A350
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