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Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:07 am

Samoa Airways the state-owned flag carrier airline of Samoa says its plans service to LAX via American Samoa.

Details are sketchy, but American Samoa governor says the airline would use its cabotage rights from Pago Pago for the service to LAX

Some might remember Samoa Airways predecessor Polynesian Airlines did similar with 767 aircraft (leased from Air Canada) during the late 1990s.

https://centreforaviation.com/news/samo ... ute-928732
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... es-flights
https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pac ... -pago-pago

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Not sure what equipment they will lease in for this attempt

The desire for route likely rest with fact that LA/San Diego region has a larger population of American Samoans than American Samoa itself.
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:33 am

IMO this will never eventuate. They have cabotage on an internal American Samoa sector, not to LAX and HA would most likely file an objection.
 
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 6:41 am

eta unknown wrote:
IMO this will never eventuate. They have cabotage on an internal American Samoa sector, not to LAX and HA would most likely file an objection.


There would be no way to operate PPG-APW-LAX on a single flight number or ticket, I think you are correct. The flight number would need to change & likely passengers would need to disembark, clear immigration & re-check for the LAX flight.They would be better off operating the 737 to APW & have NZ code share with the Samoan Government again & operate APW-LAX again 2 x weekly.
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:00 am

"The carrier plans to operate this route from Pago Pago in American Samoa. However, in order to bypass US cabotage restrictions, the service will operate from Pago Pago back to Apia Faleolo and only then to the US."
 
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:03 am

They can't change the flight number in APW either- OZ got busted for selling mainland-ICN- GUM tickets a few years back.
Realistically I think the only viable US option is to take over the FJ APW-HNL service- or are their grand plans more about PPG pax?
 
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:07 am

Wouldnt hold my breath on this.... according to local sources in the Samoan Government the airline is currently $70million dollars in debt since it first launched.

News reports also suggest that since Malindo Airlines were brought in to operate flights on behalf of Samoa Airways there is nothing remotely "Samoan" onboard the aircraft apart from the cutlery packs and a single flight attendent who is not even part of the operating crew (he/she is in fact a revenue passenger who is only used onboard for P.As and a few service related duties... at all other times the flight attendant is seated in the last row of the aircraft and only used when required)

Come November the Samoan Government has promised to release financial information about the airline....

IMHO I dont see the airline lasting if it is hemorrhaging tax payer funds.

Best they just malolo and give the flying back to the big boys....
 
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:32 pm

Lets not forget they (Polynesian) were once awarded cabotage already to serve LAX, and DOT in recent years has awarded cabotage rights multiple times to allow for service from American Samoa.
 
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:30 pm

When was LAX cabotage awarded and were there any plans to ever seriously operate it? I remember the 763 doing APW-HNL-LAX... This was after their AC leased 762 sat in SYD for ages when it was discovered the aircraft wasn't ETOPS certified... awkward. Didn't the whole LAX service nearly bankrupt them?
Out of curiosity, are there more former PPG residents in LAX or HNL?
 
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 5:29 pm

ausfoo wrote:
"The carrier plans to operate this route from Pago Pago in American Samoa. However, in order to bypass US cabotage restrictions, the service will operate from Pago Pago back to Apia Faleolo and only then to the US."


Yeah, that won't work. It's still cabotage even if the itinerary sold includes a stop in the carrier's home country. They'd probably be considered in violation if too many passengers ended up doing it "independently" on separate tickets (i.e. PPG-APW and APW-LAX).

UPlog wrote:
Lets not forget they (Polynesian) were once awarded cabotage already to serve LAX, and DOT in recent years has awarded cabotage rights multiple times to allow for service from American Samoa.


But there's a U.S. carrier offering service from PPG to LAX (via HNL) so it's difficult to argue that American Samoa would have no service to LAX without allowing cabotage. If they had proper cabotage rights there'd be no need to do the detour to APW (which still won't make the service not cabotage).
 
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:36 pm

For those that have CAPA access, it confirms they plan to operate APW-PPG-LAX with support of American Samoan government that will seek cabotage rights similar to what Polynesdian previously held for LAX.

Samoa Government plans Apia-Pago Pago-Apia-Los Angeles route
https://centreforaviation.com/news/samo ... ute-928732

Yes HA serves PPG and likely oppose, but the American Samoa government for years has complained about HA, and what it sees as monopoly pricing and poor service for locals, so they are keen to find alternate options.

Samoa Airways (and Polynesian prior) since 2004 have had cabotage rights from PPG to other American Samoa islands and still provides such links
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:46 pm

If only the rules could change for PPG and American Samoa to allow a third party carrier to operate the route, instead of ONLY on Hawaiian via HNL then NZ might make money flying AKL-PPG-LAX. But they can't, and American Samoans aren't allowed to fly to LAX via a third country. This hurts the territory tremendously, as growth is terribly restricted.

However, there is nothing that says HA couldn't fly LAX-PPG non-stop or via a single flight number via HNL from LAX. But at the current time, the numbers just aren't there.

American Samoa needs to get someone to change the rules so that competition can be encouraged, not actively discouraged. I don't want to see it overrun with tourists (I'd LOVE to see this place!); however, gradual and sustainable growth can only happen if it is better connected to the world.
 
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Re: Samoa Airways seeks LAX service

Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:04 am

LAXintl wrote:
For those that have CAPA access, it confirms they plan to operate APW-PPG-LAX with support of American Samoan government that will seek cabotage rights similar to what Polynesdian previously held for LAX.

Samoa Government plans Apia-Pago Pago-Apia-Los Angeles route
https://centreforaviation.com/news/samo ... ute-928732

Yes HA serves PPG and likely oppose, but the American Samoa government for years has complained about HA, and what it sees as monopoly pricing and poor service for locals, so they are keen to find alternate options.

Samoa Airways (and Polynesian prior) since 2004 have had cabotage rights from PPG to other American Samoa islands and still provides such links


The American Samoa government complaining about monopoly prices??? That's RICH!!! :rotfl:
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