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UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:01 am

United is suspected to tweak its MAX backlog to include the MAX 8 variant and revert from streaming IFE to PTVs.

http://paxex.aero/2019/08/united-airlin ... er-update/
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:59 am

Yeah not all of us are USA/United dedicants! Seperate thread is appreciated.

Did they only have the Max -9 on order previously?
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:11 am

Good to see them going back to PTVs!
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:38 am

Good to see the switch back to PTV's. IA and DL continues to make customer friendly changes while AA moves further and further into ULCC territory.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:13 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Good to see the switch back to PTV's. IA and DL continues to make customer friendly changes while AA moves further and further into ULCC territory.


IDK why you’re singling out American when United has been neck and neck with AA on their trek into ULCC territory ... well until this move back to PTV’s that is. And I have a hunch American is going to be forced to follow suit.
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:33 am

TWA1985 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Good to see the switch back to PTV's. IA and DL continues to make customer friendly changes while AA moves further and further into ULCC territory.


IDK why you’re singling out American when United has been neck and neck with AA on their trek into ULCC territory ... well until this move back to PTV’s that is. And I have a hunch American is going to be forced to follow suit.


Have you seen UA's new clubs? Or how about their reconfigured CR7 and 767? Both in a very premium configuration. AA also runs much denser 787's.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:36 am

Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:38 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
TWA1985 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Good to see the switch back to PTV's. IA and DL continues to make customer friendly changes while AA moves further and further into ULCC territory.


IDK why you’re singling out American when United has been neck and neck with AA on their trek into ULCC territory ... well until this move back to PTV’s that is. And I have a hunch American is going to be forced to follow suit.


Have you seen UA's new clubs? Or how about their reconfigured CR7 and 767? Both in a very premium configuration. AA also runs much denser 787's.


United runs a MUCH premium heavy 787 configuration than American.

UA 789: 48J
AA 789: 30J

UA 788: 36J
AA 788: 20J

AA is favoring Premium Economy with 28W on the 788 and 21W on the 789.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:40 am

musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.


You clearly haven't been in an aircraft with PTVs since the early 00s.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:20 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
TWA1985 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Good to see the switch back to PTV's. IA and DL continues to make customer friendly changes while AA moves further and further into ULCC territory.


IDK why you’re singling out American when United has been neck and neck with AA on their trek into ULCC territory ... well until this move back to PTV’s that is. And I have a hunch American is going to be forced to follow suit.


Have you seen UA's new clubs? Or how about their reconfigured CR7 and 767? Both in a very premium configuration. AA also runs much denser 787's.

Have you been in Delta’s new premium-only clubs? Oh wait. They don’t have anything close to a Polaris or Flagship lounge.

And talking about dense wide bodies at AA or United is amusing when, among the one updated international plane all 3 carriers have, Delta has the densest international 777-200ERs in the industry, even with 3-3-3 seating. That’s ignoring completely the 763 where Delta would also win the densest award but AA is obviously almost done with their 767s, so it’s not a fair comparison.
Delta has PTVs on some of its narrow bodies and is installing them on incoming planes, true, but Delta has also been leading the industry charge on reducing legroom in first and economy across their entire narrow body fleet for years now.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:58 am

The article says this about PTVs on the MAX: “While all recent deliveries and retrofits offer only streaming IFE to passenger devices it appears that at least some aircraft of these new types will see embedded screens installed”.

I’m curious if that means all new Max would get seatback screens or if it would be a select transcon fleet. United has amazing hubs for transcon flights and it would make sense to compete with seatback on JetBlue and Delta for markets like NYC-SAN/SEA, etc. to say nothing of markets like Sfo/LAX-East Coast.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:16 am

hic787 wrote:
Yeah not all of us are USA/United dedicants! Seperate thread is appreciated.

Did they only have the Max -9 on order previously?


Mix of MAX9's/10's. I wonder if they'll be adding new units or a conversion.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:08 pm

musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.


480P 7" is hardly standard. Delta's A220s are getting 13" screens in F and 10.1" in coach - that's a lot more screen area than what's in your pocket.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:32 pm

musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.


Just a few years ago I was on the streaming video is the future, PTV's are the past. I was convinced UA was making the right decision because a lot of people have smart phones, tablets and/or laptops. The problem that I've seen over the years is, Wifi reliability issues, a lack of personal space, airlines UA included has reduced the amount of personal space and yet they want passengers to use their personal device. However you have no place to put your personal device when the snack/meal, and drink service begins. Then there is a lack of sufficient charging ports. and lastly UA customers want some type of IFE seat back screen. Smisek wasn't know for listening to our customers or employees (UA FA's have been saying for years removal of the screens was not what our customers wanted). Munoz does listen to the customer and employees, years ago Munoz stated it would take some time to completely undo all the mistakes Smisek made and get UA on the right tract. I can tell you he is trying but of course UA still has the bean counters that want to take the cheapest road but I'm hopeful Munoz will prevail.

Someone pointed out in a different thread there are new IFE screens that weight a fraction of what those old PTV's weighed so why not install them.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:44 pm

jayunited wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.


Just a few years ago I was on the streaming video is the future, PTV's are the past. I was convinced UA was making the right decision because a lot of people have smart phones, tablets and/or laptops. The problem that I've seen over the years is, Wifi reliability issues, a lack of personal space, airlines UA included has reduced the amount of personal space and yet they want passengers to use their personal device. However you have no place to put your personal device when the snack/meal, and drink service begins. Then there is a lack of sufficient charging ports. and lastly UA customers want some type of IFE seat back screen. Smisek wasn't know for listening to our customers or employees (UA FA's have been saying for years removal of the screens was not what our customers wanted). Munoz does listen to the customer and employees, years ago Munoz stated it would take some time to completely undo all the mistakes Smisek made and get UA on the right tract. I can tell you he is trying but of course UA still has the bean counters that want to take the cheapest road but I'm hopeful Munoz will prevail.

Someone pointed out in a different thread there are new IFE screens that weight a fraction of what those old PTV's weighed so why not install them.

Meal service, ha!
Anyway, I think PTV's are incredibly overrated on here. Really, the bigger news is UA taking some 737-8's. That said, it is nice to see them being put back in, although I never had a problem using my tablet. I would rather UA follow DL and AA and give a free carry on with E-.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:13 pm

I have no idea what tech is currently available for PTVs but my understanding is they're still all pretty much dumb screens controlled by the onboard server. Has anyone come up with a solution yet based on using actual tablets? Use a modular design for the seat that you can install a custom android tablet that only needs a single USB line for power and data from the onboard server. Lightweight, cheap, and easy to replace and upgrade. Plus, it would allow a consistent experience whether you use it or streaming from a personal device and could offer things like bluetooth headphone support. I feel like someone would have come up with this by now but I have no idea.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:24 pm

There’s a lot of speculation here about PTV but no confirmation if it indeed is going to make return and on how many aircraft. Everyone should temper their expectations.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:49 pm

elbandgeek wrote:
I have no idea what tech is currently available for PTVs but my understanding is they're still all pretty much dumb screens controlled by the onboard server. Has anyone come up with a solution yet based on using actual tablets? Use a modular design for the seat that you can install a custom android tablet that only needs a single USB line for power and data from the onboard server. Lightweight, cheap, and easy to replace and upgrade. Plus, it would allow a consistent experience whether you use it or streaming from a personal device and could offer things like bluetooth headphone support. I feel like someone would have come up with this by now but I have no idea.


Delta has you covered.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepointsg ... lanes/amp/

The IFE you described is already in the A220 and A330neo. It will be Delta's future for seat entertainment.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:51 pm

I have a slightly different read than some here.
My take is that any addition of PTV's are going to initially target the PS routes and maybe more of an extension of that fleet to make improvements in some other markets like BOS-SFO/LAX in addition to EWR-LAX/SFO.
We already have a partial international service on these routes and those 757's need a replacement plan and I feel that is what this article is referencing.
It could be that this is used to justify more PTV's back to the fleet.
UA is doing alot to improve the onboard experience and making DTV free is a huge improvement, maybe if DTV could be expanded with a system that is cheaper, lighter and just better than the current generation that is installed on the 737 fleet.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:23 pm

ordbosewr wrote:
I have a slightly different read than some here.
My take is that any addition of PTV's are going to initially target the PS routes and maybe more of an extension of that fleet to make improvements in some other markets like BOS-SFO/LAX in addition to EWR-LAX/SFO.
We already have a partial international service on these routes and those 757's need a replacement plan and I feel that is what this article is referencing.
It could be that this is used to justify more PTV's back to the fleet.
UA is doing alot to improve the onboard experience and making DTV free is a huge improvement, maybe if DTV could be expanded with a system that is cheaper, lighter and just better than the current generation that is installed on the 737 fleet.

Im not a fan of the DTV. I'd rather see AVOD thats on par with the widebodies.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:26 pm

JAMBOJET wrote:
The article says this about PTVs on the MAX: “While all recent deliveries and retrofits offer only streaming IFE to passenger devices it appears that at least some aircraft of these new types will see embedded screens installed”.

I’m curious if that means all new Max would get seatback screens or if it would be a select transcon fleet. United has amazing hubs for transcon flights and it would make sense to compete with seatback on JetBlue and Delta for markets like NYC-SAN/SEA, etc. to say nothing of markets like Sfo/LAX-East Coast.


I agree I think these 738MAX w/ IFE will be used primarily on West Coast-Hawaii, GUM-Based, and maybe some non-premium transcons (SFO-PHL/BWI/FLL/TPA/RDU/DTW) or long caribbean (ie IAD/EWR/ORD-AUA, EWR-CUR/BON/POS)
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:31 pm

Taking out PTVs was dumb in the first place. Talk to anyone NOT on here, they evaluate if the plane was "old" by if it had PTVs or not. People want and use PTVs. Unless you are an ULCC not installing PTVs was a bad idea.
 
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:47 pm

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Taking out PTVs was dumb in the first place. Talk to anyone NOT on here, they evaluate if the plane was "old" by if it had PTVs or not. People want and use PTVs. Unless you are an ULCC not installing PTVs was a bad idea.


I personally despise the PTVs, and shut them off as fast as possible. I have flown along side other UA elites that share my disdain for them and their 10+ minutes of unavoidable (and obnoxious) advertising from their IFE partner (DirecTV?). Just the thought of UA explorer Visa card commericlal (rewarded!!!!) is enough to raise my blood pressure 20 points.

Getting rid of the PTVs on the 737s not only saves weight, power, and complexity, it brought back a modicum of peace and quiet to the cabin. Now that's being "Rewarded!!!"

Please Lord, deep six the PTVs. I beg you.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 2:49 pm

Interesting if one of the big MAX10 orders is set to be partly converted to 8's.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:14 pm

They keep switching back and forth, don't they. They've done this with the widebodies as well.

Let's hope their PTVs are free of charge to use, otherwise it will just be another Direct TV disaster.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:19 pm

In my mind, the only thing left separating Delta and United is that Delta has very nice, large PTV's. I love them as I don't have to bring my ipad when I travel and worry about charging etc. If United got PTV's on all aircraft CR7/CR5 or larger, I would switch 100% of my flying to UA besides routes that United only flies 50-seat planes on that have options on other airlines. (I won't fly on a CR2 or ER4 period if it can be avoided, I'll even fly WN to avoid these planes but I won't go as far as flying Spirit or Frontier)

Fingers crossed the PTV rumors are true!! :)

PS...also love this separate thread! That United thread is massive and I just avoid it because it has too much stuff I don't care about in it! Hopefully in 2020 there are separate threads for the fleet and network! Fingers crossed!
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:37 pm

United has way more than 123 outstanding MAX’s to be delivered....
 
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:40 pm

Jamie514 wrote:
Interesting if one of the big MAX10 orders is set to be partly converted to 8's.


Or if these are additional frames as part of Boeing's compensation package to UA for the MAX grounding.
 
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:53 pm

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Im not a fan of the DTV.


Nobody likes DVT.
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:16 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.


You clearly haven't been in an aircraft with PTVs since the early 00s.


Flew on a Delta 737a couple of years ago. Was not impressed
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MIflyer12 wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.


480P 7" is hardly standard. Delta's A220s are getting 13" screens in F and 10.1" in coach - that's a lot more screen area than what's in your pocket.


I haven't been on an a220, but I have been on a Delta 737 and was not impressed
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:33 pm

JAMBOJET wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
TWA1985 wrote:

IDK why you’re singling out American when United has been neck and neck with AA on their trek into ULCC territory ... well until this move back to PTV’s that is. And I have a hunch American is going to be forced to follow suit.


Have you seen UA's new clubs? Or how about their reconfigured CR7 and 767? Both in a very premium configuration. AA also runs much denser 787's.

Have you been in Delta’s new premium-only clubs? Oh wait. They don’t have anything close to a Polaris or Flagship lounge.

And talking about dense wide bodies at AA or United is amusing when, among the one updated international plane all 3 carriers have, Delta has the densest international 777-200ERs in the industry, even with 3-3-3 seating. That’s ignoring completely the 763 where Delta would also win the densest award but AA is obviously almost done with their 767s, so it’s not a fair comparison.
Delta has PTVs on some of its narrow bodies and is installing them on incoming planes, true, but Delta has also been leading the industry charge on reducing legroom in first and economy across their entire narrow body fleet for years now.


I don't know if it matters how many total seats there are as much as how much personal space you'd have in Business, Premium Economy, Comfort Plus and Regular Economy compared to their counterparts on AA/UA. Is the Polairs lounge/Flagship lounge and extra seats in business class on United/AA driving a per flight premium over Delta? I've seen nothing to show that UA/AA command a premium with their international product, and if you read reviews of the Delta One Suites vs Polaris (which Polaris > AA Business), universally Delta One Suites win. Premium Economy is a wash as the at least the hard product is identical (although I hear DL > UA/AA in the soft product) and DL has the widest international coach seats on any aircraft when you look at every seat is at least 18" or wider. UA/AA can't say that with their mix of 777/787s.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:47 pm

scbriml wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Im not a fan of the DTV.


Nobody likes DVT.


DTV refers to DirecTV, not deep vein thrombosis.
 
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mm320cap wrote:
United has way more than 123 outstanding MAX’s to be delivered....


aerotransport.org is showing the following breakdown for UA MAX orders:
-8 4 orders (none delivered, but all assigned with manufacturing S/Ns).
-9 65 orders (14 delivered, with a further 16 manufacturing S/Ns assigned of the outstanding 51 orders).
-10 96 orders (4 manufacturing S/Ns assigned to date).

total 165 MAX ordered (with 14 of that total delivered).
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:36 pm

YellowJ wrote:
scbriml wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Im not a fan of the DTV.


Nobody likes DVT.


DTV refers to DirecTV, not deep vein thrombosis.


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Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:46 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.


You clearly haven't been in an aircraft with PTVs since the early 00s.


Maybe he\she flies exclusively AA? :D
 
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:49 pm

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slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Taking out PTVs was dumb in the first place. Talk to anyone NOT on here, they evaluate if the plane was "old" by if it had PTVs or not. People want and use PTVs. Unless you are an ULCC not installing PTVs was a bad idea.


I personally despise the PTVs, and shut them off as fast as possible. I have flown along side other UA elites that share my disdain for them and their 10+ minutes of unavoidable (and obnoxious) advertising from their IFE partner (DirecTV?). Just the thought of UA explorer Visa card commericlal (rewarded!!!!) is enough to raise my blood pressure 20 points.

Getting rid of the PTVs on the 737s not only saves weight, power, and complexity, it brought back a modicum of peace and quiet to the cabin. Now that's being "Rewarded!!!"

Please Lord, deep six the PTVs. I beg you.


Where are you flying that you can hear other peoples PTVs? You and the few you have spoke to about this are in the extreme minority.
 
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:53 pm

max999 wrote:
elbandgeek wrote:
I have no idea what tech is currently available for PTVs but my understanding is they're still all pretty much dumb screens controlled by the onboard server. Has anyone come up with a solution yet based on using actual tablets? Use a modular design for the seat that you can install a custom android tablet that only needs a single USB line for power and data from the onboard server. Lightweight, cheap, and easy to replace and upgrade. Plus, it would allow a consistent experience whether you use it or streaming from a personal device and could offer things like bluetooth headphone support. I feel like someone would have come up with this by now but I have no idea.


Delta has you covered.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepointsg ... lanes/amp/

The IFE you described is already in the A220 and A330neo. It will be Delta's future for seat entertainment.


This (assuming DL and UA find a technology partner) is why I've flipped. Streaming to a tablet removes underseat boxes and wiring associated with previous generation PTVs. One thing would be nice to see implemented by any of them (not sure about DL's tablet system) is the ability to sync your own headphones via Bluetooth.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:53 pm

Don't forget, all UA aircraft with seat back screens also have streaming available for your own device. It's a choice, and both are now free.
 
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:04 pm

If this PTV thing is true, I suspect there is a material reduction in upfront cost compared to 5 years ago when the decision was made. The fact carriers started dumping PTV’s in masses forced the PTV marketplace to get creative and propose low-cost competitive solutions. Now that PTV costs are reasonable, and weight minimal, they begin to return for longer stage lengths (which is where the Max’s are mostly routed). If the PTV providers get greedy or fail to invest in evolutionary technology, they’ll be dropped.
 
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Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:09 pm

Elementalism wrote:
birdbrainz wrote:

I personally despise the PTVs, and shut them off as fast as possible. I have flown along side other UA elites that share my disdain for them and their 10+ minutes of unavoidable (and obnoxious) advertising from their IFE partner (DirecTV?). Just the thought of UA explorer Visa card commericlal (rewarded!!!!) is enough to raise my blood pressure 20 points.

Getting rid of the PTVs on the 737s not only saves weight, power, and complexity, it brought back a modicum of peace and quiet to the cabin. Now that's being "Rewarded!!!"

Please Lord, deep six the PTVs. I beg you.


Where are you flying that you can hear other peoples PTVs? You and the few you have spoke to about this are in the extreme minority.


You don't hear other people's PTVs. It's the obnoxious, overly long drawn-out safety video followed by 15 minutes of commercials before takeoff that he's referring to.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 7:20 pm

musman9853 wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.


You clearly haven't been in an aircraft with PTVs since the early 00s.


Flew on a Delta 737a couple of years ago. Was not impressed


Those older ones are mostly gone and been replaced by bigger and faster screens. I had one on ATL-BTV with DL (worn 73G) last month and I think maybe aside a stray 764ER in J last year on LAX-JFK, 738 on ATL-DEN, SAN-SLC, and JFK-DEN in 2017, most of the fleet has the newer & retrofitted interiors and screens. Internationally it might only be the 764ER and certain 777LR with the bad screens. I had an older screen on ATL-LAX coming back from a business trip and it was plenty responsive. The only time I got legitimately ticked off was on SAN-SLC because the screen was dead on departure in C+ (automatic upgrade, no seat change available) and yelled at me about going to an empty seat to watch something. It sounds dumb but there was something on cable that I wanted to watch live.

The problem with DL's older screens is the touch screen just doesn't go when you click on it with your finger. There were no remotes installed so that was the main issue. The other issue is the cable channels going out, but I don't think that's DL's fault. What really sucks about flying DL is their spotty GoGo Wifi systems which just don't play right with my new work Mac when I try to get a browser going. Either that or it's a full reboot to connect to the internet. And then it slows to a crawl every 10 minutes, then another $6 for 30 more minutes, then another reboot. Ugh.

Oh and whoever programs DL's monthly music channels should've been fired last year. I can't fathom how someone picks out "The Best of Brian McKnight" and rock mixes that seem like they should be out of an armrest instead of on-demand.

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TWA772LR wrote:
Im not a fan of the DTV.


Nobody likes DVT.


It's pretty sweet now that's it's completely free on UA. I'll take that over streaming services. If anything, I've seen quite a few trip reports about how slow as s*** the AVOD screens on the UA 757s are these days (except PS which are newer.)
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:15 pm

When are the scheduled max 8 & max 10 arriving at United?

* once all the max planes are back out flying of course
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:24 pm

I originally posted this in the fleet and network thread, though I think it's good that this is a separate topic. It was also posted in there a few weeks ago about UA converting some orders to the -8, though Seth's article still leaves a lot of specifics up in the air, including how many UA will actually take.

PTVs always seem to bring out a lot of passionate feelings on here and other sites. I really don't care about it at all on domestic flights, though it's a must on longhaul. I always plan to download some movies onto my mac or iPad beforehand, but it's nice to watch something that I wasn't planning on watching. UA also usually has a fairly interesting movie selection.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:08 am

musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.

I don’t think you’ve ever had the chance to use an PTV newer than the ones from like 2007. The newest ones are HD and much bigger than 7”
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:43 pm

Elementalism wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.


You clearly haven't been in an aircraft with PTVs since the early 00s.


Maybe he\she flies exclusively AA? :D


I do tend to fly aa, but I've also recently flown ua, dl, b6, sw, ba, ek, etc
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:45 pm

767333ER wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.

I don’t think you’ve ever had the chance to use an PTV newer than the ones from like 2007. The newest ones are HD and much bigger than 7”



Nah, I have. They're still awful compared to the QHD OLED panel in my pocket.
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:11 pm

musman9853 wrote:
767333ER wrote:
musman9853 wrote:
Ptvs are overrated since they suck so bad imo. A 7 inch 480p screen is not attractive when I have a 6.8in QHD screen in my pocket.

I don’t think you’ve ever had the chance to use an PTV newer than the ones from like 2007. The newest ones are HD and much bigger than 7”



Nah, I have. They're still awful compared to the QHD OLED panel in my pocket.


I know everybody is entitled to their own opinion but I completely disagree. I hate watch videos on my phone and never do it on a plane. Typically I would have a laptop in front of me and movie playing on the screen if there is one. Otherwise, I'm on my phone doing email and texting etc while watching something on a screen. If there isn't a screen, I just work. If there isn't wifi or a screen, I just sit there and it sucks.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:32 pm

You can really tell who in this thread has kids that they travel with.
 
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Re: UA to Tweak 737 MAX Order

Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:34 pm

TObound wrote:
You can really tell who in this thread has kids that they travel with.


This right here, with kids who wants to get a tablet out and connect and try and find something kid friendly, when you can just turn on live tv and have them watch nickelodeon!

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