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AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:58 am
by miaami
AA's December schedule shows the addition of 3 Class 321 service on MIA-LAX effective Dec 18, 2019. 2 of the 9 nonstops between MIA-LAX will have the 3 class aircraft.

MIA-LAX
10:12a 12:47p
7:45p 11:53p

LAX-MIA
9:40a 5:52p
2:05p 10:22p

Service is scheduled thru the December holidays and New Years 2020.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:37 pm
by smi0006
Doe they still send a 77W between the two also?

Sounds like an interesting product development - hope it sticks and expandsZ

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:43 pm
by Ishrion
smi0006 wrote:
Doe they still send a 77W between the two also?

Sounds like an interesting product development - hope it sticks and expandsZ


It doesn't look like they will in December. First flight is a 772.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:47 pm
by Ishrion
From the OAG thread, it looks like JFK-SFO is going from 5 daily to 3 daily. I'm assuming this is where the aircraft is coming from?

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 12:52 pm
by tphuang
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:15 pm
by jumbojet
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


well, according to you, and only you, Blue eats everyones lunch :roll:

Why is it that every thread that has nothing to do with Blue, you seem to turn it into one about them. It gets tiresome and a little long in the tooth,

AA just cant magically pull extra 3 class 321s out of thin air. They deploy them where they feel it will be most beneficial to the airline. Oh, and the AA 321T is by far the best premium product out there flying into/out of LAX/SFO. AA no doubt gets the cream of the crop as far as corporate contracts go when it comes to these premium transcons, ,

AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:53 pm
by chepos
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


You say B6 is eating everyone’s lunch on a series of routes. How do you know this? Then you post fare data, which does not tell the full story of how a route performs. Unless you have internal numbers for how B6 and AA do on these routes you are basically just making assumptions. Par for the course on this site I guess.


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Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:26 pm
by afcjets
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


The 777 is better since MIA-LAX has a lot of high yielding Y traffic, especially connecting LAX to the Caribbean. The J seat is the same as the F seat on the 321T and AA has really downgraded meal service in F/P class anyway.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:30 pm
by jmmadrid
Back in the early 90's I used to fly AA's DC-10 MIA-LAX-MIA, filled to the brim, including those 34 vintage First Class seats in a 2-2-2 configuration with huge aisles. No IFE but a delicious meal service, particularly the Chicken Burrito. Those were the days!

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:36 pm
by readytotaxi
afcjets wrote:
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


The 777 is better since MIA-LAX has a lot of high yielding Y traffic, especially connecting LAX to the Caribbean. The J seat is the same as the F seat on the 321T and AA has really downgraded meal service in F/P class anyway.

What sort of meal does a First passenger get now they downgraded it?

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:43 pm
by EK77WNH
AA yanked these off the BOS-LAX route and replaced them with ordinary A321s. I don’t know if this is signaling that JetBlue’s Mint is ‘winning’ because the route has more than those two on it. But years ago, AA ‘owned’ BOS-LAX while UA ‘owned’ BOS-SFO. Now, both carriers have been marginalized at Boston as other carriers grow around them.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:44 pm
by chepos
MIA-LAX is catered and provisioned in premium cabins as a premium transcon, same meal service as for example a JFK-LAX transcon. Not the same provisioning as say MCO-LAX.


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Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:44 pm
by afcjets
You can watch a YouTube video and you will see. To say they aren't serving caviar anymore would be an understatement.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:48 pm
by dcajet
jmmadrid wrote:
Back in the early 90's I used to fly AA's DC-10 MIA-LAX-MIA, filled to the brim, including those 34 vintage First Class seats in a 2-2-2 configuration with huge aisles. No IFE but a delicious meal service, particularly the Chicken Burrito. Those were the days!


And the then almost brand new A300-600 as well!

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 3:53 pm
by Ziyulu
Will there be complimentary meals in economy for this route?

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:02 pm
by maverick4002
MIA-LAX
10:12a 12:47p
7:45p 11:53p

Darn, MIA LAX is 7 hours+

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:05 pm
by chepos
Ziyulu wrote:
Will there be complimentary meals in economy for this route?


No, no complimentary meal service in Y on MIA-LAX. Unless they decide to change that, which I doubt it.


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Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:15 pm
by Ishrion
maverick4002 wrote:
MIA-LAX
10:12a 12:47p
7:45p 11:53p

Darn, MIA LAX is 7 hours+


MIA-LAX is usually 4:30 to 5:00 hrs flight time.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:17 pm
by Varsity1
When do the XLR's enter service? Any idea the configuration? I assume around 150 seats?

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:17 pm
by MAH4546
readytotaxi wrote:
afcjets wrote:
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


The 777 is better since MIA-LAX has a lot of high yielding Y traffic, especially connecting LAX to the Caribbean. The J seat is the same as the F seat on the 321T and AA has really downgraded meal service in F/P class anyway.

What sort of meal does a First passenger get now they downgraded it?


AA has actually never downgraded the catering on MIALAX. The route is catered like the JFKLAX/SFO flights, regardless of how bad the plane serving the route is.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:22 pm
by Miamiairport
MAH4546 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
afcjets wrote:

The 777 is better since MIA-LAX has a lot of high yielding Y traffic, especially connecting LAX to the Caribbean. The J seat is the same as the F seat on the 321T and AA has really downgraded meal service in F/P class anyway.

What sort of meal does a First passenger get now they downgraded it?


AA has actually never downgraded the catering on MIALAX. The route is catered like the JFKLAX/SFO flights, regardless of how bad the plane serving the route is.


Yes the LAX/MIA flight is treated the same as JFK/MIA other than no meals in Y. For example Y is gets pillows and blankets on LAX/MIA but not on SFO/MIA. This is an interesting development. Sure hate the thought of ultimately losing the 77W. Even as a PLT I'm usually able to upgrade on that flight

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:33 pm
by afcjets
MAH4546 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
afcjets wrote:

The 777 is better since MIA-LAX has a lot of high yielding Y traffic, especially connecting LAX to the Caribbean. The J seat is the same as the F seat on the 321T and AA has really downgraded meal service in F/P class anyway.

What sort of meal does a First passenger get now they downgraded it?


AA has actually never downgraded the catering on MIALAX. The route is catered like the JFKLAX/SFO flights, regardless of how bad the plane serving the route is.


JFK-LAX/SFO has been downgraded too. I wasn't referring to just MIA.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:53 pm
by MAH4546
afcjets wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
What sort of meal does a First passenger get now they downgraded it?


AA has actually never downgraded the catering on MIALAX. The route is catered like the JFKLAX/SFO flights, regardless of how bad the plane serving the route is.


JFK-LAX/SFO has been downgraded too. I wasn't referring to just MIA.


Not in my opinion. I flew it Friday in J and the meals were excellent, and J now has four meal choices (used to be three). It’s one of very few things AA does right.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 4:58 pm
by afcjets
MAH4546 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

AA has actually never downgraded the catering on MIALAX. The route is catered like the JFKLAX/SFO flights, regardless of how bad the plane serving the route is.


JFK-LAX/SFO has been downgraded too. I wasn't referring to just MIA.


Not in my opinion. I flew it Friday in J and the meals were excellent, and J now has four meal choices (used to be three). It’s one of very few things AA does right.


I specifically said F/P class.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:50 pm
by lugie
Ishrion wrote:
maverick4002 wrote:
MIA-LAX
10:12a 12:47p
7:45p 11:53p

Darn, MIA LAX is 7 hours+


MIA-LAX is usually 4:30 to 5:00 hrs flight time.


I get padding the schedule to account for ground delays, arrival flow control and headwinds. But a block time that is over two hours (almost 50%) longer than the typical flight duration on a transcon? Which purpose does such an overly generous flight timing serve?
Wouldn't it make connections a lot harder?

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:08 pm
by alasizon
lugie wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
maverick4002 wrote:
MIA-LAX
10:12a 12:47p
7:45p 11:53p

Darn, MIA LAX is 7 hours+


MIA-LAX is usually 4:30 to 5:00 hrs flight time.


I get padding the schedule to account for ground delays, arrival flow control and headwinds. But a block time that is over two hours (almost 50%) longer than the typical flight duration on a transcon? Which purpose does such an overly generous flight timing serve?
Wouldn't it make connections a lot harder?


Winter winds are stronger and actual block time for MIA-LAX is six hours in the winter. Clearly the PM times are off (as the AM times show a 5:30 block time). AA.com shows a 22:25 arrival time for that flight; the 23:53 arrival time is for the 21:15 departure from MIA on a 737.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:31 pm
by AA100
So AA is going from 5x daily to 3x daily on JFK SFO? Surely they need to keep the frequency to compete?

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:37 pm
by MaverickM11
AA100 wrote:
So AA is going from 5x daily to 3x daily on JFK SFO? Surely they need to keep the frequency to compete?

Oh are they still trying to compete in NYC? :duck:

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:39 pm
by Brickell305
AA100 wrote:
So AA is going from 5x daily to 3x daily on JFK SFO? Surely they need to keep the frequency to compete?

If their aim is business travelers, they should be fine from a week before Christmas to the 6th of January.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:44 pm
by Ishrion
MaverickM11 wrote:
AA100 wrote:
So AA is going from 5x daily to 3x daily on JFK SFO? Surely they need to keep the frequency to compete?

Oh are they still trying to compete in NYC? :duck:


Have you listened to the latest Tell Me Why?

They're planning on adding the A321XLR and 787s to JFK.

JFK has actually turned a profit(with the cuts of course), but there was another reason Vasu Raja stated for the profit despite the cuts.

"The future of JFK looks good" or something like that.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:58 pm
by miaami
maverick4002 wrote:
MIA-LAX
10:12a 12:47p
7:45p 11:53p

Darn, MIA LAX is 7 hours+

Arrival in LAX should read 10:25p instead of 11:53p. I wrote that down wrong. Sorry

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:10 pm
by Antarius
jumbojet wrote:
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


well, according to you, and only you, Blue eats everyones lunch :roll:

Why is it that every thread that has nothing to do with Blue, you seem to turn it into one about them. It gets tiresome and a little long in the tooth,

AA just cant magically pull extra 3 class 321s out of thin air. They deploy them where they feel it will be most beneficial to the airline. Oh, and the AA 321T is by far the best premium product out there flying into/out of LAX/SFO. AA no doubt gets the cream of the crop as far as corporate contracts go when it comes to these premium transcons, ,


LAX-JFK, sure. SFO-JFK is definitely less so, while not to JFK airport specifically, UA owns the SFO-NYC market with their EWR service.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 7:12 pm
by Antarius
The LAX BOS flight times were a PITA. The morning flight was simply too early to connect in to LAX.

Given that basically no one would connect onwards on AA from BOS, whether the 321T arrived at 3 pm, or 5 pm shouldnt make a material difference to any passenger (the work day is lost anyways). So why not depart at a reasonable hour?

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:26 pm
by tphuang
chepos wrote:
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


You say B6 is eating everyone’s lunch on a series of routes. How do you know this? Then you post fare data, which does not tell the full story of how a route performs. Unless you have internal numbers for how B6 and AA do on these routes you are basically just making assumptions. Par for the course on this situe I guess.


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I am not exactly the only person who has stated this phenomenon. There has been many reports of aa ff flying b6 out of FLL to lax. And if you go to flyeryalk forum, there was a thread dedicated to this route where many people said to be flying b6 now. It's not a secret that they took 77w off this route a while ago which turned off a lot of people. It seems like aa could use a lie flat product for more than 1 flight a day.

Jetblue themselves have openly told everyone this is making loads of money. And they have been adding flights here like mad. And the publicly available data all point that way too.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:42 pm
by Brickell305
tphuang wrote:
chepos wrote:
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


You say B6 is eating everyone’s lunch on a series of routes. How do you know this? Then you post fare data, which does not tell the full story of how a route performs. Unless you have internal numbers for how B6 and AA do on these routes you are basically just making assumptions. Par for the course on this situe I guess.


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I am not exactly the only person who has stated this phenomenon. There has been many reports of aa ff flying b6 out of FLL to lax. And if you go to flyeryalk forum, there was a thread dedicated to this route where many people said to be flying b6 now. It's not a secret that they took 77w off this route a while ago which turned off a lot of people. It seems like aa could use a lie flat product for more than 1 flight a day.

Jetblue themselves have openly told everyone this is making loads of money. And they have been adding flights here like mad. And the publicly available data all point that way too.

Most of that is simply anecdotal. I have no doubt that B6 has found success on FLL-LAX but let’s be real. This is a hub-hub route for AA with double the frequency offered by B6 and out of MIA which commands a business premium. I hardly doubt AA’s lunch has been eaten.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:20 pm
by jayunited
Ishrion wrote:
Have you listened to the latest Tell Me Why?

They're planning on adding the A321XLR and 787s to JFK.

JFK has actually turned a profit(with the cuts of course), but there was another reason Vasu Raja stated for the profit despite the cuts.

"The future of JFK looks good" or something like that.


Are you saying AA is going to start flying their 787s daily on Transcon routes out of JFK?

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:32 pm
by MAH4546
Brickell305 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
chepos wrote:

You say B6 is eating everyone’s lunch on a series of routes. How do you know this? Then you post fare data, which does not tell the full story of how a route performs. Unless you have internal numbers for how B6 and AA do on these routes you are basically just making assumptions. Par for the course on this situe I guess.


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I am not exactly the only person who has stated this phenomenon. There has been many reports of aa ff flying b6 out of FLL to lax. And if you go to flyeryalk forum, there was a thread dedicated to this route where many people said to be flying b6 now. It's not a secret that they took 77w off this route a while ago which turned off a lot of people. It seems like aa could use a lie flat product for more than 1 flight a day.

Jetblue themselves have openly told everyone this is making loads of money. And they have been adding flights here like mad. And the publicly available data all point that way too.

Most of that is simply anecdotal. I have no doubt that B6 has found success on FLL-LAX but let’s be real. This is a hub-hub route for AA with double the frequency offered by B6 and out of MIA which commands a business premium. I hardly doubt AA’s lunch has been eaten.


There is zero doubt in my mind AA has seen local premium demand suffer. I have moved to JetBlue (I did fly AA the other day, but I have a lot of miles to get rid of and shockingly there was availability), and I know many others that have done the same. B6 is now at four daily.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:41 pm
by MIflyer12
jumbojet wrote:
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


well, according to you, and only you, Blue eats everyones lunch :roll:

Why is it that every thread that has nothing to do with Blue, you seem to turn it into one about them. It gets tiresome and a little long in the tooth,

AA just cant magically pull extra 3 class 321s out of thin air. They deploy them where they feel it will be most beneficial to the airline. Oh, and the AA 321T is by far the best premium product out there flying into/out of LAX/SFO. AA no doubt gets the cream of the crop as far as corporate contracts go when it comes to these premium transcons, ,


Actually I would doubt it because the rest of AA's network is pretty feeble out of NYC. What's the fraction of single-route contracts out of JFK, compared to nationwide deals? 3x JFK-SFO doesn't even begin to be competitive against 15x UA-SFO (to look at tomorrow's schedule) or 8x DL JFK-SFO

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:07 pm
by Brickell305
MIflyer12 wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
tphuang wrote:
why don't they put it on this route more permanently? B6 is clearly eating their lunch here for most of the year and continuing to add flights.


well, according to you, and only you, Blue eats everyones lunch :roll:

Why is it that every thread that has nothing to do with Blue, you seem to turn it into one about them. It gets tiresome and a little long in the tooth,

AA just cant magically pull extra 3 class 321s out of thin air. They deploy them where they feel it will be most beneficial to the airline. Oh, and the AA 321T is by far the best premium product out there flying into/out of LAX/SFO. AA no doubt gets the cream of the crop as far as corporate contracts go when it comes to these premium transcons, ,


Actually I would doubt it because the rest of AA's network is pretty feeble out of NYC. What's the fraction of single-route contracts out of JFK, compared to nationwide deals? 3x JFK-SFO doesn't even begin to be competitive against 15x UA-SFO (to look at tomorrow's schedule) or 8x DL JFK-SFO

You’re comparing AA’s holiday schedule (from Dec 18 to Jan 6) to what DL/UA are flying tomorrow in summer.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:13 pm
by Brickell305
MAH4546 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I am not exactly the only person who has stated this phenomenon. There has been many reports of aa ff flying b6 out of FLL to lax. And if you go to flyeryalk forum, there was a thread dedicated to this route where many people said to be flying b6 now. It's not a secret that they took 77w off this route a while ago which turned off a lot of people. It seems like aa could use a lie flat product for more than 1 flight a day.

Jetblue themselves have openly told everyone this is making loads of money. And they have been adding flights here like mad. And the publicly available data all point that way too.

Most of that is simply anecdotal. I have no doubt that B6 has found success on FLL-LAX but let’s be real. This is a hub-hub route for AA with double the frequency offered by B6 and out of MIA which commands a business premium. I hardly doubt AA’s lunch has been eaten.


There is zero doubt in my mind AA has seen local premium demand suffer. I have moved to JetBlue (I did fly AA the other day, but I have a lot of miles to get rid of and shockingly there was availability), and I know many others that have done the same. B6 is now at four daily.

I agree that there definitely has been some drop off from AA. IMO B6’s Mint is the better product. However, AA is still very much the biggest player on So. Fla-LAX. IIRC AA has 7 daily flights so while not exactly twice what B6 has at 4, it’s basically that. I’m pretty certain once you look at seat count, it might actually be double. I for one am glad that B6 has dedicated itself to serving FLL-LAX so well but let’s not pretend as if AA is now second fiddle on the route.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:06 am
by ctrabs0114
smi0006 wrote:
Doe they still send a 77W between the two also?

Sounds like an interesting product development - hope it sticks and expands


There's at least one 77W on MIA-LAX through mid-November before the 321T is added in December. I'm glad I'm getting a chance to fly J on AA277 aboard a 77W next Sunday morning.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:31 am
by tphuang
Brickell305 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
Most of that is simply anecdotal. I have no doubt that B6 has found success on FLL-LAX but let’s be real. This is a hub-hub route for AA with double the frequency offered by B6 and out of MIA which commands a business premium. I hardly doubt AA’s lunch has been eaten.


There is zero doubt in my mind AA has seen local premium demand suffer. I have moved to JetBlue (I did fly AA the other day, but I have a lot of miles to get rid of and shockingly there was availability), and I know many others that have done the same. B6 is now at four daily.

I agree that there definitely has been some drop off from AA. IMO B6’s Mint is the better product. However, AA is still very much the biggest player on So. Fla-LAX. IIRC AA has 7 daily flights so while not exactly twice what B6 has at 4, it’s basically that. I’m pretty certain once you look at seat count, it might actually be double. I for one am glad that B6 has dedicated itself to serving FLL-LAX so well but let’s not pretend as if AA is now second fiddle on the route.


So for a while there, B6 was running twice daily. While it was getting revenue premium on AA's service over at MIA-LAX, AA probably just put up with it since it has a huge market share advantage. We will see what happens now that B6 gets to 4x daily here. They pulled a flight off JFK-LAX for the 4th FLL-LAX. That should give you a good idea of what kind of margin they are getting on FLL-LAX. When they start to get A321NEO delivery again, I'm sure more will come to FLL. Will AA keep running mostly A321B on MIA-LAX while B6 starts to offer an increasingly more competitive schedule? Remember it wasn't that long ago that B6 was at 4x daily on JFK-LAX vs 13x daily for AA and now they are off by 1 flight a day. Also remember, AA used to be the yield leader on BOS-LAX and they are now only getting higher yield than AS, because they are offering a noncompetitive product.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:28 am
by afcjets
Here are the seat maps for the two class and three class 767-200. The two class configuration disappeared in the early to mid 1990s I believe as they became exclusively international or transcon and they replaced the DC-10 on JFK-LAX. The two class version eventually removed a row in F and when it was two rows, there were both a 9 seat and 10 seat configuration. The last configuration was 10 seats but for awhile there was only one seat and one row in the center section of the F cabin and why there were only 9 seats.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/299911656404870028/

https://frequentlyflying.boardingarea.c ... -200-1987/

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:24 am
by Airbuser
The 767-200 3 class transcon circa 2001 had 158 seats. The 767-300 was 165 if I remember correctly. Today’s 102 seat 6 flight attendants A321 is very nice.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:03 am
by ctrabs0114
Let me add another potential reason why the 321T is replacing the 77W on MIA-LAX: gate space at LAX.

AA277, the 77W from MIA to LAX which I flew on Sunday, was 3h40min late leaving MIA. Once we arrived at LAX at around 1145 PDT, we circled the taxiways for an hour until Gate 41 opened up. There are only two LAX gates which can accommodate the 772/77W at LAX T4, which the captain explained to us while we were literally going around in circles. I would guess that had we departed on time, this wouldn't have been an issue...

Except the original plane we were scheduled to fly on had a mechanical issue, so we went from Gate D23 at MIA to D28 for our replacement plane ... only to find out that the backup plane - also a 77W - at D28 also had mechanical issues. Now, what are the chances of that happening?

Long story short, because of the maintenance issues at MIA and the waiting for an open gate at LAX, I barely made my connecting flight to DFW on the 789 (otherwise, I would've had to settle for flying a 321 back to DFW).

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I just wanted to add my two cents into a possible reason why you'll be seeing the 321T on MIA-LAX and I felt the background was necessary to explain my point.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:10 pm
by B752OS
tphuang wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

There is zero doubt in my mind AA has seen local premium demand suffer. I have moved to JetBlue (I did fly AA the other day, but I have a lot of miles to get rid of and shockingly there was availability), and I know many others that have done the same. B6 is now at four daily.

I agree that there definitely has been some drop off from AA. IMO B6’s Mint is the better product. However, AA is still very much the biggest player on So. Fla-LAX. IIRC AA has 7 daily flights so while not exactly twice what B6 has at 4, it’s basically that. I’m pretty certain once you look at seat count, it might actually be double. I for one am glad that B6 has dedicated itself to serving FLL-LAX so well but let’s not pretend as if AA is now second fiddle on the route.


So for a while there, B6 was running twice daily. While it was getting revenue premium on AA's service over at MIA-LAX, AA probably just put up with it since it has a huge market share advantage. We will see what happens now that B6 gets to 4x daily here. They pulled a flight off JFK-LAX for the 4th FLL-LAX. That should give you a good idea of what kind of margin they are getting on FLL-LAX. When they start to get A321NEO delivery again, I'm sure more will come to FLL. Will AA keep running mostly A321B on MIA-LAX while B6 starts to offer an increasingly more competitive schedule? Remember it wasn't that long ago that B6 was at 4x daily on JFK-LAX vs 13x daily for AA and now they are off by 1 flight a day. Also remember, AA used to be the yield leader on BOS-LAX and they are now only getting higher yield than AS, because they are offering a noncompetitive product.


Given the high load factors and high fares JetBlue has been enjoying on their Ft. Lauderdale to Los Angeles service, isn't a matter of time before they add a 5th daily, year round flight? 5 daily flights would really position them in the South Florida to Los Angeles market and really close the gap on American's schedule advantage.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:17 pm
by Brickell305
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Let me add another potential reason why the 321T is replacing the 77W on MIA-LAX: gate space at LAX.

AA277, the 77W from MIA to LAX which I flew on Sunday, was 3h40min late leaving MIA. Once we arrived at LAX at around 1145 PDT, we circled the taxiways for an hour until Gate 41 opened up. There are only two LAX gates which can accommodate the 772/77W at LAX T4, which the captain explained to us while we were literally going around in circles. I would guess that had we departed on time, this wouldn't have been an issue...

Except the original plane we were scheduled to fly on had a mechanical issue, so we went from Gate D23 at MIA to D28 for our replacement plane ... only to find out that the backup plane - also a 77W - at D28 also had mechanical issues. Now, what are the chances of that happening?

Long story short, because of the maintenance issues at MIA and the waiting for an open gate at LAX, I barely made my connecting flight to DFW on the 789 (otherwise, I would've had to settle for flying a 321 back to DFW).

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I just wanted to add my two cents into a possible reason why you'll be seeing the 321T on MIA-LAX and I felt the background was necessary to explain my point.

I highly doubt that's the reason as they are only switching out for two weeks.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:29 pm
by XNA2ASG
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Let me add another potential reason why the 321T is replacing the 77W on MIA-LAX: gate space at LAX.

AA277, the 77W from MIA to LAX which I flew on Sunday, was 3h40min late leaving MIA. Once we arrived at LAX at around 1145 PDT, we circled the taxiways for an hour until Gate 41 opened up. There are only two LAX gates which can accommodate the 772/77W at LAX T4, which the captain explained to us while we were literally going around in circles. I would guess that had we departed on time, this wouldn't have been an issue...

Except the original plane we were scheduled to fly on had a mechanical issue, so we went from Gate D23 at MIA to D28 for our replacement plane ... only to find out that the backup plane - also a 77W - at D28 also had mechanical issues. Now, what are the chances of that happening?

Long story short, because of the maintenance issues at MIA and the waiting for an open gate at LAX, I barely made my connecting flight to DFW on the 789 (otherwise, I would've had to settle for flying a 321 back to DFW).

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I just wanted to add my two cents into a possible reason why you'll be seeing the 321T on MIA-LAX and I felt the background was necessary to explain my point.


I flew the 77W from LAX to MIA earlier this month in Business, and it was a wonderful experience.
One great thing about the 77W and 321T on MIA-LAX is flagship lounge access for first and business class passengers.

I will say, although, I was supposed to fly on a 787 on the DFW to LAX route in March, but due to MX issues on my prior connecting flight on the good ole Mad dog , I missed it. I flew an A321 instead. You got it lucky, man.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:59 am
by ctrabs0114
Brickell305 wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Let me add another potential reason why the 321T is replacing the 77W on MIA-LAX: gate space at LAX.

AA277, the 77W from MIA to LAX which I flew on Sunday, was 3h40min late leaving MIA. Once we arrived at LAX at around 1145 PDT, we circled the taxiways for an hour until Gate 41 opened up. There are only two LAX gates which can accommodate the 772/77W at LAX T4, which the captain explained to us while we were literally going around in circles. I would guess that had we departed on time, this wouldn't have been an issue...

Except the original plane we were scheduled to fly on had a mechanical issue, so we went from Gate D23 at MIA to D28 for our replacement plane ... only to find out that the backup plane - also a 77W - at D28 also had mechanical issues. Now, what are the chances of that happening?

Long story short, because of the maintenance issues at MIA and the waiting for an open gate at LAX, I barely made my connecting flight to DFW on the 789 (otherwise, I would've had to settle for flying a 321 back to DFW).

Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I just wanted to add my two cents into a possible reason why you'll be seeing the 321T on MIA-LAX and I felt the background was necessary to explain my point.

I highly doubt that's the reason as they are only switching out for two weeks.


I had a brain cramp and didn't realize it was just for two weeks instead of a long-term move.

Re: AA starting 3 class 321 on MIA-LAX eff DEC 18 2019

Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:02 am
by ctrabs0114
XNA2ASG wrote:
I flew the 77W from LAX to MIA earlier this month in Business, and it was a wonderful experience.
One great thing about the 77W and 321T on MIA-LAX is flagship lounge access for first and business class passengers.

I will say, although, I was supposed to fly on a 787 on the DFW to LAX route in March, but due to MX issues on my prior connecting flight on the good ole Mad dog , I missed it. I flew an A321 instead. You got it lucky, man.


Lucky is an understatement as I would've been stuck on a 321 had we arrived at the gate about 40 minutes after we did. I had flown the 788 on DFW-ORD and ORD-DFW in March and I would've been a little ticked off if I had missed a chance to fly the 789. I do wish the 789 had reverse facing seats in the front cabin like some of the 788s, but, my god, I love the 788/789 more than the 77W.