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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Tue Aug 20, 2019 2:14 pm

wjcandee wrote:

With the LOV being 75000/150000, it's not even halfway there on hours and a little more than a third of the way there on cycles.

In 23 years of service.

Of course these things often become insufficiently-reliable for major pax airline work long before reaching the LOV.


For comparisson :

All UPS 757-24APF aircraft are factory new delivered to UPS :

First delivered 757-24APF, L/N 141, MSN 23724,N402UP, delivered 17 sept 1987, 32 years old, last FAA recorded maintance action at October 2018 : 32300 flt hours and 22539 cycles

All Fedex 757 aircraft are bought secondhand and are P-F converted .
The oldest Fedex 757 :
757-2T7(SF), L/N 15, MSN 22780, N935FD, delivered at 4 March 1983 (Monarch),36,5 years old, last FAA recorded maintenance action at Dec 2018 : 91665 flt hours and 35749 cycles.

As a parcel freighter a lot of years of residual live is still remaining in this aircraft, if the damage can be repaired !!
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Tue Aug 20, 2019 3:36 pm

Good points, but there isn't a lot of current demand for 757 freighter conversions in part because there are a lot out there. The sweet spots at the moment are 737-sized and 767-300 sized.
 
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Tue Aug 20, 2019 4:58 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Good points, but there isn't a lot of current demand for 757 freighter conversions in part because there are a lot out there. The sweet spots at the moment are 737-sized and 767-300 sized.


Everyone is putting so much weight into this LOV issue, when clearly we see the engines being the driver for retirement and scrapping of aircraft recently. I anticipate this will happen well into the future, even past the next economic recession. Lack of JT9Ds killed the 747 classic freighters, engines killed the MD-80 and MD-90 as well.CF-6 demand is dooming parked PAX 744s. and we see pressure on CFM motors on the secondhand market being caused by the WN secondhand buys of years ago, compounded by MAX groundings.

I'm 90% sure this airframe will be scrapped. DL would be better salvaging the parts it can and reactivating a parked airframe.
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:29 pm

I have not seen anything in the media about the hard landing itself. The forum seems interested in what happens to the aircraft. I would be quite interested to know what led up to Delta's hard landing that damaged the aircraft so bad.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:52 pm

Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Good points, but there isn't a lot of current demand for 757 freighter conversions in part because there are a lot out there. The sweet spots at the moment are 737-sized and 767-300 sized.


Everyone is putting so much weight into this LOV issue, when clearly we see the engines being the driver for retirement and scrapping of aircraft recently. I anticipate this will happen well into the future, even past the next economic recession. Lack of JT9Ds killed the 747 classic freighters, engines killed the MD-80 and MD-90 as well.CF-6 demand is dooming parked PAX 744s. and we see pressure on CFM motors on the secondhand market being caused by the WN secondhand buys of years ago, compounded by MAX groundings.

I'm 90% sure this airframe will be scrapped. DL would be better salvaging the parts it can and reactivating a parked airframe.


N543US is powered by PW2037 engines.
Spare(time limited) parts and full support for this type of engine will be available for a long time because also USAF C17 aircraft (Last built in 2014) are powered by slightly* adapted PW2040 engines, called the F117-PW-100.

For RR RB211-535E4 series powered 757's the future engine support and spare part availability may indeed become an issue in the near future, because only the 757 is powered by this engine type.

* = F117-PW-100 is basically the same as PW2040, except addition of stage 17 cabin air bleed, a second hydraulic pump drive and external plumbing changes.
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Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:26 pm

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Spacepope wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
Good points, but there isn't a lot of current demand for 757 freighter conversions in part because there are a lot out there. The sweet spots at the moment are 737-sized and 767-300 sized.


Everyone is putting so much weight into this LOV issue, when clearly we see the engines being the driver for retirement and scrapping of aircraft recently. I anticipate this will happen well into the future, even past the next economic recession. Lack of JT9Ds killed the 747 classic freighters, engines killed the MD-80 and MD-90 as well.CF-6 demand is dooming parked PAX 744s. and we see pressure on CFM motors on the secondhand market being caused by the WN secondhand buys of years ago, compounded by MAX groundings.

I'm 90% sure this airframe will be scrapped. DL would be better salvaging the parts it can and reactivating a parked airframe.


N543US is powered by PW2037 engines.
Spare(time limited) parts and full support for this type of engine will be available for a long time because also USAF C17 aircraft (Last built in 2014) are powered by slightly* adapted PW2040 engines, called the F117-PW-100.

For RR RB211-535E4 series powered 757's the future engine support and spare part availability may indeed become an issue in the near future, because only the 757 is powered by this engine type.

* = F117-PW-100 is basically the same as PW2040, except addition of stage 17 cabin air bleed, a second hydraulic pump drive and external plumbing changes.


Yes, but the engine itself is no longer in production after the shutdown of the C-17 line and mil-spec new spares are expensive. The trend has been to use aircraft longer and at a higher annual rate in the past, so this will just increase the demand for engines. Overhaul shops are going to be busy after Labor Day.
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Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:39 pm

I think US workers are protected from paycheck deductions. They would have to file civil suit to demand payment from the employees which would set a bad precedent for them. I think unless they could demonstrate negligence very easily they wouldn’t bother because a pilot isn’t going to be able to pay for a thousandth of the cost of a repair or a write-off.
 
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:19 am

I must chime in here, as this thread has gone off the rails.

Known-Knowns - Facts Not In Dispute:

I. The aircraft suffered damage from an apparent hard slam of the nosegear onto the PDL runway during landing.

II. The aircraft is not presently airworthy.

Everything else posted here on this forum with regard to scrapping, repair, airworthiness and Delta flying procedures is conjecture.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:08 am

I don't believe there are any ex-DL 757's at Marana that are close to being flyable.

flymco753 wrote:
DL has a few 757's stored at MZJ, perhaps they could just do a ship replacement similarly to the incident with 6304 (the 747 that had hail damage).
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:10 am

There will be a sub-fleet of ETOPS 321N's similar to the 739ER fleet.

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Does anyone know if the DL A321Neos will be ETOPS capable? They would be perfect for this route, given the relatively short distance (comparable to West Coast - Hawaii) and the low demand for true premium, lie-flat seating.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:11 am

Correct. And immediate thoughts that 5643 is a part-out job, I'm hearing the goal is to repair. Now obviously that could change upon further review.

RetiredNWA wrote:
I must chime in here, as this thread has gone off the rails.

Known-Knowns - Facts Not In Dispute:

I. The aircraft suffered damage from an apparent hard slam of the nosegear onto the PDL runway during landing.

II. The aircraft is not presently airworthy.

Everything else posted here on this forum with regard to scrapping, repair, airworthiness and Delta flying procedures is conjecture.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:21 pm

kiowa wrote:
I have not seen anything in the media about the hard landing itself. The forum seems interested in what happens to the aircraft. I would be quite interested to know what led up to Delta's hard landing that damaged the aircraft so bad.


Weather?
Short runway?
Training flight?
Mechanical problem?
Windshear?
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:02 am

n7371f wrote:
Correct. And immediate thoughts that 5643 is a part-out job, I'm hearing the goal is to repair. Now obviously that could change upon further review.

RetiredNWA wrote:
I must chime in here, as this thread has gone off the rails.

Known-Knowns - Facts Not In Dispute:

I. The aircraft suffered damage from an apparent hard slam of the nosegear onto the PDL runway during landing.

II. The aircraft is not presently airworthy.

Everything else posted here on this forum with regard to scrapping, repair, airworthiness and Delta flying procedures is conjecture.



A lot of resources are being expended to temporarily repair ship 5643 so it can be flown back to the USA for permanent repair.
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:12 am

They chartered an Antonov to fly tooling, parts and sheet metal mechanics to repair.
 
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:59 am

again: "this morning" is a very bad name for topic
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:12 am

mackdad wrote:
They chartered an Antonov to fly tooling, parts and sheet metal mechanics to repair.


RA-82077 flew PAE-ATL on 8/25 with tooling and is picking up sheetmetal and other tooling before flying ATL-PDL on 8/26.
 
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:10 pm

Told you: All she needed was some speed tape and she'd be good to go.
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:45 pm

Are the temporary repairs performed by a Boeing AOG team ?
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:26 pm

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Are the temporary repairs performed by a Boeing AOG team ?



No. Delta technicians are doing the work.
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:42 pm

So much speculation amongst the armchair mechanics and pilots in this thread.

The original inspection team reviewed the damage and was particularly interested in damage to the nose gear, wheel well structures and surrounding fuselage. If that turned up minimal or none it is an assured repair. That there is a Volga-Dnepr airplane on it's way with people and equipment tells you what they likely found in the nose.
 
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:44 pm

jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Probably touched down on nose gear


Seems so, but how can a jet plane land nosegear down if the attitude on finals is always pitch up??
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:50 pm

cargil48 wrote:
jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Probably touched down on nose gear


Seems so, but how can a jet plane land nosegear down if the attitude on finals is always pitch up??

Sudden change in wind speed and/or direction (windshear), rebound/pilot error, mechanical issue. Many things can result in a nosegear first landing.
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:02 pm

cargil48 wrote:
jpetekyxmd80 wrote:
Probably touched down on nose gear


Seems so, but how can a jet plane land nosegear down if the attitude on finals is always pitch up??


Here's the NTSB report on WN 345 at LGA in 2013. 'Don't do it that way.' Write-off of a 14-year old 737NG.

https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.avia ... 131&akey=1

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... s/KqG1FX9B
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:04 pm

PBADC3 wrote:
So much speculation amongst the armchair mechanics and pilots in this thread.

The original inspection team reviewed the damage and was particularly interested in damage to the nose gear, wheel well structures and surrounding fuselage. If that turned up minimal or none it is an assured repair. That there is a Volga-Dnepr airplane on it's way with people and equipment tells you what they likely found in the nose.

Ah, so it will buff right out, eh?

How many rolls of speed tape are there in that Antonov?
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 3:14 pm

B757Forever wrote:
747classic wrote:
Are the temporary repairs performed by a Boeing AOG team ?



No. Delta technicians are doing the work.


Remarkable, seen the very specialist structural knowledge that is needed for this kind of repairs.
I witnessed a few temporary and final repairs done by the Boeing AOG team, IMHO nothing for the average airline technicians, even the one's involved with the 757 HMV.
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:19 pm

747classic wrote:
B757Forever wrote:
747classic wrote:
Are the temporary repairs performed by a Boeing AOG team ?



No. Delta technicians are doing the work.


Remarkable, seen the very specialist structural knowledge that is needed for this kind of repairs.
I witnessed a few temporary and final repairs done by the Boeing AOG team, IMHO nothing for the average airline technicians, even the one's involved with the 757 HMV.

DL is more than capable of doing the repairs. We've done jobs like this numerous times in the past. There is nothing magical about it. It is just a lot of stinger and frame repairs and then skin repairs. Others use Boeing AOG because they only really do line mtc or they just can't spare the crew for the weeks it's going to take. Boeing Engineering will likely be on site with DL Engineering to approve the work plan.

BTW don't look up JAL flight 123. It doesn't read well for Boeing AOG.
 
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Dalmd88 wrote:
BTW don't look up JAL flight 123. It doesn't read well for Boeing AOG.


That repair was done in 1978.
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:38 pm

Delta had a previous "hard landing" incident back in the late 80' early nineties. Similar damage but the airplane was much newer. It was repaired and went on for many years of additional service. Have to chuckle listening to some of these arm chair pundits as apparently they forget the more recent BA777 at Las Vegas. Many posters predicted the scrap heap for that airplane as well. BTW, I have no opinion on how this will turn out.
 
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Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:18 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Delta had a previous "hard landing" incident back in the late 80' early nineties. Similar damage but the airplane was much newer. It was repaired and went on for many years of additional service.


Still flying today.



http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20001211X11863
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DL_Mech wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
Delta had a previous "hard landing" incident back in the late 80' early nineties. Similar damage but the airplane was much newer. It was repaired and went on for many years of additional service.


Still flying today.



http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20001211X11863


The Chief Technical Pilot for DL was flying this airplane. Very nice guy who for whatever reason let it get any from him. He was mortified at what happened and I think it affected him tremendously for the rest of his career. Very nice guy, former USAF Academy / pilot.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:33 am

The chartered Antonov, complete with a repair team, equipment, experts and material is en route to Ponta Delgada now (0145 edt) Repair work will commence in short order.

So much for scrapping, so much for writing this aircraft off. I wish I had a dollar for every ridiculous post in this thread...I could buy myself a nice dinner at Golden Corral.
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:44 am

NotFinals wrote:
this is a 100% write off. Engines , Avionics and control surfaces will be pulled off but this plane will never leave the Azores


You are dead wrong.
 
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DL_Mech wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
Delta had a previous "hard landing" incident back in the late 80' early nineties. Similar damage but the airplane was much newer. It was repaired and went on for many years of additional service.


Still flying today.



http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20001211X11863


I was surprised to see there were 191 passengers onboard. I thought back then the airplanes were in much more spacious configurations?
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:17 am

Here we go, off topic again. Keep. It. On. Topic.

Think: lap children.
Think: maybe the report is wrong.
Think: configurations are different.

If this website were a case-study of CRM, we would have circled the airfield upside down, the stews would be driving the jet and the pilots would be smoking reefer while fueling the airplane overwing with coal.
 
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RetiredNWA wrote:
The chartered Antonov, complete with a repair team, equipment, experts and material is en route to Ponta Delgada now (0145 edt) Repair work will commence in short order.

.

You can follow this flight on FR24, call sign VDA2284, destination airport code (for FR24 filter) is PDL
 
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RetiredNWA wrote:
Here we go, off topic again. Keep. It. On. Topic.

Think: lap children.
Think: maybe the report is wrong.
Think: configurations are different.

If this website were a case-study of CRM, we would have circled the airfield upside down, the stews would be driving the jet and the pilots would be smoking reefer while fueling the airplane overwing with coal.


Good grief. Would you rather me start a new thread asking how many seats were on Delta's 757's back in 1993? The same aircraft with different seating arrangements is a relatively new idea. The airline just didn't have that ability to keep track of such differences back then.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:00 am

RetiredNWA wrote:
Here we go, off topic again. Keep. It. On. Topic.

Think: lap children.
Think: maybe the report is wrong.
Think: configurations are different.

If this website were a case-study of CRM, we would have circled the airfield upside down, the stews would be driving the jet and the pilots would be smoking reefer while fueling the airplane overwing with coal.


Why do you insist on taking this so personally?
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RetiredNWA wrote:
Here we go, off topic again. Keep. It. On. Topic.

Think: lap children.
Think: maybe the report is wrong.
Think: configurations are different.

If this website were a case-study of CRM, we would have circled the airfield upside down, the stews would be driving the jet and the pilots would be smoking reefer while fueling the airplane overwing with coal.

I've only been on this site for 7 months but in that time you're the only one who's made me want to leave. If you don't like the page then leave.
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CWL757 wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:
Here we go, off topic again. Keep. It. On. Topic.

Think: lap children.
Think: maybe the report is wrong.
Think: configurations are different.

If this website were a case-study of CRM, we would have circled the airfield upside down, the stews would be driving the jet and the pilots would be smoking reefer while fueling the airplane overwing with coal.

I've only been on this site for 7 months but in that time you're the only one who's made me want to leave. If you don't like the page then leave.


Funny as that's the way I feel when I read some of your posts:)
 
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BravoOne wrote:
DL_Mech wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
Delta had a previous "hard landing" incident back in the late 80' early nineties. Similar damage but the airplane was much newer. It was repaired and went on for many years of additional service.


Still flying today.



http://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief.aspx?ev_id=20001211X11863


The Chief Technical Pilot for DL was flying this airplane. Very nice guy who for whatever reason let it get any from him. He was mortified at what happened and I think it affected him tremendously for the rest of his career. Very nice guy, former USAF Academy / pilot.


What does his niceness have to do with his competence as a pilot? You wrote twice that he was a 'very nice guy'. If he was not a 'very nice guy', would that make it better/worse?
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BravoOne wrote:
CWL757 wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:
Here we go, off topic again. Keep. It. On. Topic.

Think: lap children.
Think: maybe the report is wrong.
Think: configurations are different.

If this website were a case-study of CRM, we would have circled the airfield upside down, the stews would be driving the jet and the pilots would be smoking reefer while fueling the airplane overwing with coal.

I've only been on this site for 7 months but in that time you're the only one who's made me want to leave. If you don't like the page then leave.


Funny as that's the way I feel when I read some of your posts:)

What ones if you don’t mind me asking?
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bgm wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
DL_Mech wrote:


The Chief Technical Pilot for DL was flying this airplane. Very nice guy who for whatever reason let it get any from him. He was mortified at what happened and I think it affected him tremendously for the rest of his career. Very nice guy, former USAF Academy / pilot.


What does his niceness have to do with his competence as a pilot? You wrote twice that he was a 'very nice guy'. If he was not a 'very nice guy', would that make it better/worse?


It was a human interest component to the story. So sorry if I offened your state of mind. Make no difference now as the guy died a few years back. This is really a significant thread drift so lets get back on topic. BTW, do you have some operational experience with the 757, or just arm chair expert?
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:31 pm

I'm hearing that the airplane will be ferried out within the week and repaired. Take that with a grain of salt but it did come from past reliable source.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:50 pm

Not related to this particular one, but related to a prior hard landing...Delta TechOps assisted Boeing when a Royal Air Maroc B763 suffered a hard landing at JFK in 2009. http://www.nycaviation.com/2009/08/four ... plete/2733 (That plane, CN-RNT, was out of service for four months while repairs went on at JFK.) I would definitely trust Delta TechOps to do this repair right---whether a permanent fix is done at PDL or a temporary one at PDL and a more permanent fix elsewhere.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:34 pm

The aircraft is listed as currently being under repair with a return to service for November 15, 2019 and lease expiration in September 2021, but that was extended in 2016. So it would seem DL sees value in this bird staying around for a while despite the damage.
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BravoOne
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:02 am

PNWaviationNut wrote:
The aircraft is listed as currently being under repair with a return to service for November 15, 2019 and lease expiration in September 2021, but that was extended in 2016. So it would seem DL sees value in this bird staying around for a while despite the damage.



So much for the arm chaire experts,

It will be ferried to KJAX for repairs.
 
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:14 am

BravoOne wrote:
PNWaviationNut wrote:
The aircraft is listed as currently being under repair with a return to service for November 15, 2019 and lease expiration in September 2021, but that was extended in 2016. So it would seem DL sees value in this bird staying around for a while despite the damage.



So much for the arm chaire experts,

It will be ferried to KJAX for repairs.


No MRO in JAX, it's VQQ.
 
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:16 pm

777Mech wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
PNWaviationNut wrote:
The aircraft is listed as currently being under repair with a return to service for November 15, 2019 and lease expiration in September 2021, but that was extended in 2016. So it would seem DL sees value in this bird staying around for a while despite the damage.



So much for the arm chaire experts,

It will be ferried to KJAX for repairs.


No MRO in JAX, it's VQQ.


Okay but this is where I was tod it would go.

https://mroholdings.com/facilities/flightstar/

Thanks!



https://mroholdings.com/facilities/flightstar
 
wjcandee
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:42 pm

Flightstar is where Atlas fixed its bent 767.
 
airtechy
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Re: Delta 757 hard landing this morning at Azores PDL

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:08 pm

Assuming the flight back to the US will be with a ferry permit, who would issue the permit .. the FAA or the equivalent Azores authority? It would be interesting to see the conditions for the permit. At one time the FAA issued permit to fly Elvis's Convair from FLL to MEM was posted in the plane. As I recall, it was gear down, below 10K feet, airspeed limit, etc. The plane was in really bad shape! This plane is obviously in excellent shape .. except for ..

Jim

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