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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:31 pm

I thought I read that DEN - DUB was going to be on Aer Lingus in 2020 as part of an incentive package the city put together to attract a new carrier.

My Denver guesses: DEN-CDG, DEN-LHR (year-round), DEN-BOG (JV with Avianca) or a longer shot DEN-AKL
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:31 pm

diatraveler wrote:
mkorpal333 wrote:
I'm curious, how constrained is DEN currently as far as international gates goes?


International gates are crowded during the peak European arrival times.


:checkmark: I flew through DEN in July and when I arrived in the early afternoon all 4 international widebody gates were occupied: 3 UA 788s (LHR, FRA, and NRT arrivals, I'd assume) + 1 LH 359 (MUC). If the new DEN route is transatlantic, it'll probably need to be a later afternoon arrival to DEN. That said, I believe FI, BA, DY, and WK are all there later in the afternoon (although DY and WK aren't daily).

Similarly, due to the widebody gate constraints at ORD in the afternoon, I'd expect either a narrowbody route (return of SNN or MAN?) or something like TLV that could be an early morning arrival and a late evening departure.

SFO probably would be afternoon arrivals/departures since the morning TPAC bank is so full, although concourse G is fairly crowded most times of day at this point.

I'm not even sure what times of day are most open at EWR...

UA certainly has some constrained airports to work with!
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:33 pm

United didn't say it was major or international?? I am guessing a mixture but mostly domestic.

Hope BTV-DEN winter service!! Planes were totally full in Summer.

I bet some SFO to smaller unserved cities

AA went all in on Eastern Europe for next summer but PRG seemed like a hit for UA too, so another city wouldn't surprise me.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:34 pm

mkorpal333 wrote:
diatraveler wrote:
mkorpal333 wrote:

If that happens, I don't care how, but I'll be on the 1st flight for sure.

I'm curious, how constrained is DEN currently as far as international gates goes?


International gates are crowded during the peak European arrival times. DIA is currently building 12 new gates on concourse A. This will result in six additional wide body international gates.

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Right, I know about the expansion. I'm was more curious about the current state since this/these routes will start at least a year before the new gates are done.


Depends on the time of the day. There are currently 4 wide body international gates. This summer in the early afternoon, UA's NRT-DEN, LHR-DEN, FRA-DEN and LH's MUC-DEN all arrive within an hour of each other. This ties up the four wide body gates early afternoon. Rest of the day is not a problem typically.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:35 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
United didn't say it was major or international?? I am guessing a mixture but mostly domestic.


The timing is right for an announcement about new long haul flying for next summer (see the recent AA announcement and DL's announcement re UK service additions). Domestic additions for peak summer flying would more likely be announced in the first quarter of next year.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:35 pm

ORD-ICN. Not likely to happen but I just hope for it and there is a very good opportunity.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:38 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
Myriad wrote:
Probably all the HND flights.
With the Europe economy in trouble, hard to see new routes.
Interesting would be SFO-SGN with all the businesses relocating to Vietnam plus an up and coming tourist destination.

HND has already been announced

Oh, right on the 16th. I see now
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:44 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
United didn't say it was major or international?? I am guessing a mixture but mostly domestic.

Hope BTV-DEN winter service!! Planes were totally full in Summer.

I bet some SFO to smaller unserved cities

AA went all in on Eastern Europe for next summer but PRG seemed like a hit for UA too, so another city wouldn't surprise me.


They did say international.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:07 pm

DEN - CGM / BZE / AUA....though it might be too late already to announce those for start for those markets peaks.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:13 pm

Seems to be that they are announcing it at the same rumored time that AA will make their AUS/JAP announcement. Maybe it's to combat that?
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:17 pm

I’d imagine the current seasonal ORD-DUB will go year round, especially as EI are currently funneling a decent amount of connections onto UA at ORD and this will likely come to an end once they join the AA/BA joint venture
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:21 pm

Maybe EWR-ICN, ORD-TLV, DEN-MUC or LHR going year round, and maybe SFO-BKK?
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:22 pm

Hoping for ORD-MAN on B763. Downgrade MAN-EWR from B764 to B763 to help Balance capacity.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:25 pm

Highly unlikely, but I vote for EWR-AKL and/or EWR-BNE. I'll be pleasantly shocked if either or both happen, though.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:36 pm

My bets: EWR-VIE/ZAG/BUD/JNB/CAI and SFO-BKK/HAN
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:42 pm

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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:05 pm

ORD TLV gets my vote.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:06 pm

Here's a list of what I would consider as blockbusters:
SFO/EWR-BLR
SFO-BKK/MNL/SGN/CAN/NGO
EWR-TPE/ICN
EWR-JNB
EWR-DME

I think we'd see SFO-MNL first among the SE Asian destinations; it's a significantly shorter stage length than BKK/SGN and UA already has a station there; PRC yields are awful and there's competition to CAN. I think BLR is coming at some point, we'll just have to wait and see when. I think UA will want to see how CPT does before jumping into JNB.

Less ambitious but still big-ish

SFO-GUM
ORD-TLV/WAW/KRK
DEN/IAH-CDG
DEN-ZRH
EWR-WAW
SFO-DUB/FCO/MAD/BCN
IAH-COR
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:20 pm

MNL actually makes sense in that Tagalog is the 4th most spoken foreign language in the US and 2nd most spoken Asian language in the US. Problem is recently the Department of Homeland Security assessed MNL airports security to be NOT up to spec but was recently rescinded: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2019/08/08/dep ... conditions
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:32 pm

IAH-MEL please!
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:40 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
So no love for IAH?


Doubt it.

UA hasnt launched a new route (domestic or international) from IAH in three years which was IAH-CAK. Given that, any optimism Ive had that IAH will get new routes from UA has been ground into dust. Id love to be proven wrong, but I dont think I am. UA has launched new routes from every other hub in that time frame. Were literally last in line.

The truth of the matter seems to be that IAH has been relegated to Latin America for any expansion opportunities and there arent really any on the horizon. The problem with that is that Latin America is very hot and cold as a market.

IAH-CAK/DAY both launched last summer.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:47 pm

kiowa wrote:
ORD TLV gets my vote.


:checkmark: Between SFO, IAD, EWRx2 and potentially ORD, UA could blanket the TLV market nicely. ORD has widebody gate availability issues but I believe that a TLV flight could operate outside of the busy banks and work out pretty well. A lot of UA stations don't have N/S service to IAD and EWR is always a risky hub to connect through. ORD isn't perfect but it's almost always a better option than EWR if you need to connect.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:49 pm

I'll float this as a summer seasonal: a return to BHX from EWR with a 752, which could be done out of a narrowbody gate. I'll also guess some sort of non-CDG/NCE France service. Maybe Marseilles or Lyon.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:48 pm

I'll throw in my guess:
EWR>SVO
EWR>ICN
EWR>JNB Year Round
ORD>ATH (nudge out AA on the route with A* in ATH)
DEN>ZRH
SFO>CAN
SFO>BNE (vs. QF)
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:54 pm

I'll throw my two predictions - more personal backing rather then truly thinking they'll work:
EWR-BLR (though I do think this one will work)
SFO-MNL

I do think it'll be some EWR/ORD-secondary europe destinations
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:10 pm

What about EWR-IST
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:13 pm

What about SFO-BRU in JV with LH group?
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:18 pm

SFO-SGN
SFO-GUM
EWR-AUH
EWR-DBV
EWR-JNB
ORD-WAW
ORD-VIE
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:25 pm

Updating my guesses:

EWR/ORD/IAD-WAW, one, not all 3.
SFO-DUB/GRU
EWR/ORD-ICN, not both
DEN-AMS
IAD-Africa
EWR-Africa
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:47 pm

HND routes
EWR-Secondary EU (like LPA, AGP) on 752
Perhaps we could see ORD-BOM on 77E and upgauge EWR-DEL to 77W
ORD-TLV
I personally see EWR-AKL as the biggest potential blockbuster route that can be announced. Doubt that will happen though
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:56 pm

I can see ORD-TLV to counter AA DFW-TLV, hoping to capture the central/mid-west US connections. Also,there is a large Jewish population in Chicago area, including MKE.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:17 pm

jplatts wrote:
UA could add SFO-BUF, SFO-CLT, SFO-DSM, SFO-ELP, SFO-LIT, SFO-MEM, SFO-MKE, SFO-ORF, SFO-RIC, and SFO-TUL nonstop service as BUF, CLT, DSM, ELP, LIT, MEM, MKE, ORF, RIC, and TUL are some of the top domestic destinations traveled to from the San Francisco Bay Area that aren't currently served nonstop from SFO.


I think that UA would begin BUF-DEN or IAH first before it try’s a cross country to SFO.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:22 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
So no love for IAH?


Doubt it.

UA hasnt launched a new route (domestic or international) from IAH in three years which was IAH-CAK. Given that, any optimism Ive had that IAH will get new routes from UA has been ground into dust. Id love to be proven wrong, but I dont think I am. UA has launched new routes from every other hub in that time frame. Were literally last in line.

The truth of the matter seems to be that IAH has been relegated to Latin America for any expansion opportunities and there arent really any on the horizon. The problem with that is that Latin America is very hot and cold as a market.

IAH-CAK/DAY both launched last summer.


It was announced two years ago. Thats what I meant though I mistakenly said three years instead of two.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:22 pm

voxkel wrote:
Perhaps we could see ORD-BOM on 77E and upgauge EWR-DEL to 77W

Sigh...ORD-BOM is a hole for sure but I am more leaning towards wishful thinking here (I really wish it happens!) BLR seems most likely

voxkel wrote:
ORD-TLV

Very likely
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:22 pm

Delta28L wrote:
So no love for IAH?

I wouldn't bet money on that... Lotta love for IAH
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:26 pm

For those doubting ORD-ICN, remember OZ is cutting ORD soon which leaves a big opportunity.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:27 pm

My guesses:

SFO-NGO (resumption)
SFO-CAN
ORD-KIX (resumption)
ORD-TLV
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:27 pm

chicawgo wrote:
For those doubting ORD-ICN, remember OZ is cutting ORD soon which leaves a big opportunity.


I think UA will have to do some finagling to get even remotely viable slots at ICN.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:28 pm

hoons90 wrote:
My guesses:


ORD-KIX (resumption)



Interesting though I would think ICN before KIX
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:31 pm

chicawgo wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
My guesses:


ORD-KIX (resumption)

Interesting though I would think ICN before KIX


I would normally agree, but the slot situation at ICN is really bad and will only get worse until the new 4th runway opens in a couple of years:
http://www.slotkorea.kr/site_kaso/common/ICN.png
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:45 pm

FSDan wrote:
Assuming these are adds for next summer's long haul schedule, I'll throw out a few guesses:
SFO-DUB (789)
SFO-FCO (772)
DEN-CDG (788)
ORD-DUS (763)
ORD-TLV (772)
EWR-SVQ (752)
EWR-PMO (763)


Agree SFO-DUB. Lots of tech traffic.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:49 pm

mkorpal333 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
I hope it's not DEN-MUC, im hoping more for DEN-CDG or AMS, with AMS being the front runner. DUB is a distant black horse.

Perhpas we'll finally see EWR-ICN?


ZRH would be another DEN route I'd love to see.


I'd expect IAH to get ZRH service long before DEN.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:53 pm

Potential groundbreaking routes could be:
EWR-AMD 77E (first US3 flight to Ahmedabad, lot of Gujarati population in NJ)
EWR-AKL 789 (NYC-Oceania first flight)
SFO-SGN 789 (Nonstop USA to Vietnam)
SFO-BLR 789 (First nonstop to BLR, tech traffic)
SFO-GRU 789 (NorCal to South America nonstop)
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:54 pm

I'll be the one who asks if LAX even stands a chance in this?

I myself doubt it, since they have already announced LAX-HND for March 2020.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:59 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
So no love for IAH?

I wouldn't bet money on that... Lotta love for IAH


Not when it comes to adding routes there isnt.

All the other hubs have received new routes since IAH last got one and if you add up destinations added in the last 5 years IAH is dead last.

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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:02 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
Delta28L wrote:
So no love for IAH?

I wouldn't bet money on that... Lotta love for IAH


Not when it comes to adding routes there isnt.

All the other hubs have received new routes since IAH last got one and if you add up destinations added in the last 5 years IAH is dead last.

It is what it is, but you cant say it isnt exactly this.


To be fair UA announced IAH-SYD out of nowhere a couple years back, so anything can happen I suppose.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:12 am

Also keep in mind BLR is a rather high airport (not JNB high, but high enough ~1km to affect payload on 789 flights out for ULR routes). SFO-BLR is about 170km longer than their longest flight IAH-SYD, and I personally don't think UA would run their longest flight to a place like BLR.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:14 am

Would love to see a secondary French city---EWR-LYS or EWR-MRS. How about something really out of the box like EWR-Bilbao?
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:33 am

voxkel wrote:
Also keep in mind BLR is a rather high airport (not JNB high, but high enough ~1km to affect payload on 789 flights out for ULR routes). SFO-BLR is about 170km longer than their longest flight IAH-SYD, and I personally don't think UA would run their longest flight to a place like BLR.


Yup, agree. That added distance to SFO is one of the reasons I always felt if UA goes to BLR it will be from EWR. Enough tech and BPO traffic to fill front and giant, generally wealthy VFR crowd.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:36 am

EWR-Seville
ORD-Warsaw
SFO-Rome
DEN-Zurich
EWR-Bangalore
ORD-Madrid
EWE-Basel



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