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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:36 am

I also wonder if UA might be interesting in picking up IAD-DSS now that South African will no longer be flying it. They might also opt for EWR-DSS.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:37 am

CLE-FRA is long overdue.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:38 am

SFOtoORD wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Assuming these are adds for next summer's long haul schedule, I'll throw out a few guesses:
SFO-DUB (789)
SFO-FCO (772)
DEN-CDG (788)
ORD-DUS (763)
ORD-TLV (772)
EWR-SVQ (752)
EWR-PMO (763)


Agree SFO-DUB. Lots of tech traffic.

UA seems yo be chasing the high yield SFO-Europe traffic. I'd argue to say SFO-MXP would be better than FCO.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:48 am

TWA772LR wrote:
SFOtoORD wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Assuming these are adds for next summer's long haul schedule, I'll throw out a few guesses:
SFO-DUB (789)
SFO-FCO (772)
DEN-CDG (788)
ORD-DUS (763)
ORD-TLV (772)
EWR-SVQ (752)
EWR-PMO (763)


Agree SFO-DUB. Lots of tech traffic.

UA seems yo be chasing the high yield SFO-Europe traffic. I'd argue to say SFO-MXP would be better than FCO.


There is no way SFO-MXP will come before ORD-MXP. UA only flies there from EWR. A lot more flights to FCO. Now that being said, I don't think SFO-FCO is a likely route either, DUB would work a lot better.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:51 am

SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
I think that UA would begin BUF-DEN or IAH first before it try’s a cross country to SFO.


UA will probably add BUF-DEN nonstop service at some point since F9 and WN both already have seasonal nonstop service to DEN from BUF and since UA has recently added nonstop service out of DEN to other destinations in the Northeast and Southeast.

UA adding BUF-IAH nonstop service is a possibility as the lack of BUF-IAH nonstop service is one of the biggest holes in both BUF and IAH.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:23 am

jplatts wrote:
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
I think that UA would begin BUF-DEN or IAH first before it try’s a cross country to SFO.


UA will probably add BUF-DEN nonstop service at some point since F9 and WN both already have seasonal nonstop service to DEN from BUF and since UA has recently added nonstop service out of DEN to other destinations in the Northeast and Southeast.

UA adding BUF-IAH nonstop service is a possibility as the lack of BUF-IAH nonstop service is one of the biggest holes in both BUF and IAH.


I’m really surprised they don’t serve BUF-DEN as they already do DEN from SYR
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:30 am

SFO-BKK
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:34 am

SFO-DEL doesn't start until December, and I'm not sure UA will want to start another India route before analyzing performance on that new route
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:51 am

I can only guess the new routes can be:

SFO-BRU
SFO-VIE
SFO-GVA
SFO-NGO
EWR-SVQ
EWR-BLR
IAH-TLV

Any chance of United return to Africa or the Middle East?
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:56 am

Melb94 wrote:
I can only guess the new routes can be:

SFO-BRU
SFO-VIE
SFO-GVA
SFO-NGO
EWR-SVQ
EWR-BLR
IAH-TLV

Any chance of United return to Africa or the Middle East?

Isn’t Israel in the Middle East?
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:58 am

SFO-BOG/GRU
SFO-NGO
SFO-VIE/MXP
IAH-TLV
LAX-GUM
DEN-CDG
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:07 am

Melb94 wrote:
I can only guess the new routes can be:

SFO-BRU
SFO-VIE
SFO-GVA
SFO-NGO
EWR-SVQ
EWR-BLR
IAH-TLV

Any chance of United return to Africa or the Middle East?


United already announced Newark to Cape Town a while back.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:31 am

IAH-HAN?
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:42 am

PHOTOSMK wrote:
IAH-HAN?

No. These routes are from EWR/ORD/DEN/SFO.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:46 am

Possibly NCE joining next year
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:50 am

smi0006 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
mkorpal333 wrote:

ZRH would be another DEN route I'd love to see.

I know ill get flamed for this so I'll admit to this being a wet dream route, DEN/IAH-AKL.


I think NZ have IAH-AKL covered, don’t they have a JV with UA?

SFO-BNE? Perhaps seasonally?


I wouldn't see SFOBNE especially with the new QF SFO + ORD services.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:24 am

346fetish wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
I know ill get flamed for this so I'll admit to this being a wet dream route, DEN/IAH-AKL.


I think NZ have IAH-AKL covered, don’t they have a JV with UA?

SFO-BNE? Perhaps seasonally?


I wouldn't see SFOBNE especially with the new QF SFO + ORD services.


On top of that with the lower O&D out of BNE when compared to the larger southern capitals (The O&D traffic out of BNE is pretty much tied up by QF/AA and VA/DL), UA also doesn't have a formal partner in Australia for FF earning/redemptions. The lower O&D out of BNE with the incumbents entrenched makes a UA entrance/return less likely.

QF/UA does have a long standing interline agreement for those booking via third parties and/or booking remote destinations on the QF/UA websites not accessible on their respective partners (e.g AA in USA).
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:39 am

For SFO I predict the return of Nagoya. Perhaps we’ll also see something completely new like FCO or GRU.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:47 am

LAX-GUM or SFO-GUM is not gonna happen. GUM is and has always been reachable via HNL.
What about a return to LOS?
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:20 pm

UA have been extremely conservative in Spain, with US-Sapin market booming these days there might be a slight chance for a route to Spain to be added

ORD-MAD is well established by IB since long time ago, I'd go for IAH-MAD instead and avoid IAG's competition.

Although they get feed at both ends, AA going double daily on DFW-MAD shows that there must be substantial Texas-Spain traffic.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:57 pm

The majority of the people in AA's DFW-MAD are either 1) from California, connecting through DFW to get to Spain and Europe, for whom IB's nonstops from LAX or SFO are too expensive 2) connecting via MAD to other points in Europe, notably Venice, Rome, Barcelona. Most traffic isnt beginning/ending in Dallas or even Texas, it's just flowing through, which Dallas is very good at as a hub.

upperdeckfan wrote:
UA have been extremely conservative in Spain, with US-Sapin market booming these days there might be a slight chance for a route to Spain to be added

ORD-MAD is well established by IB since long time ago, I'd go for IAH-MAD instead and avoid IAG's competition.

Although they get feed at both ends, AA going double daily on DFW-MAD shows that there must be substantial Texas-Spain traffic.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:25 pm

As of now my gut is thinking that this will primarily be EWR-Secondary EU. Looking at the video it hints that these new destinations will be new to the overall UA network. Secondary EU was a near monopoly for UA until AA started several new flights from PHL.

Such as LPA/VLC/AGP/FLR/DUS. Out of these EWR-DUS is the most needed.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:32 pm

It'd be nice to see UA preempt VN's entry into SGN-LAX/SFO. SoCal definitely has a large enough Vietnamese population to warrant its own flight, while a flight to SFO can rely on its connections and the Vietnamese community in the South Bay.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:36 pm

voxkel wrote:
Out of these EWR-DUS is the most needed.


EW already flies DUS-EWR (UA9616). I don‘t see much expansion from UA in Germany outside FRA and MUC.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:40 pm

PHOTOSMK wrote:
IAH-HAN?


Maybe IAH-SGN? Either way, there's a huge Vietnamese population that could be tapped.
We'll find out in 15 minutes anyway.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:44 pm

My guesses:

IAD-WAW. It's the only major *A hub in Europe not served yet from IAD.
IAD-PVG (but is China opening slots?)
IAD-ICN (does ICN have capacity?)

PRG flights from an UA hub (EWR?) could be interesting if they want to compete with AA's recently-announced expansion in Eastern Europe (more PRG capacity, new service to KRK).
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:44 pm

Maybe an announcement of adding a new bank (a new grouping of many departures) or two at IAD? This possibly could mean reallocation of flying from other hubs to IAD........and higher aircraft utilization...........just my guess here..
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:46 pm

jfidler wrote:
My guesses:

IAD-WAW. It's the only major *A hub in Europe not served yet from IAD.
IAD-PVG (but is China opening slots?)
IAD-ICN (does ICN have capacity?)

PRG flights from an UA hub (EWR?) could be interesting if they want to compete with AA's recently-announced expansion in Eastern Europe (more PRG capacity, new service to KRK).


There’s 7 open PEK and PVG frequencies after AA lost ORD authority to both cities.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:47 pm

jfidler wrote:
My guesses:

IAD-WAW. It's the only major *A hub in Europe not served yet from IAD.
IAD-PVG (but is China opening slots?)
IAD-ICN (does ICN have capacity?)

PRG flights from an UA hub (EWR?) could be interesting if they want to compete with AA's recently-announced expansion in Eastern Europe (more PRG capacity, new service to KRK).


UA already flies EWR-PRG. Started this summer
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:52 pm

Ishrion wrote:
jfidler wrote:
My guesses:

IAD-WAW. It's the only major *A hub in Europe not served yet from IAD.
IAD-PVG (but is China opening slots?)
IAD-ICN (does ICN have capacity?)

PRG flights from an UA hub (EWR?) could be interesting if they want to compete with AA's recently-announced expansion in Eastern Europe (more PRG capacity, new service to KRK).


There’s 7 open PEK and PVG frequencies after AA lost ORD authority to both cities.

I believe those are both dormant and retained by AA?
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:52 pm

Is it possible that UA threw in stock footage of NYC, Chicago, Denver and San Francisco to make the video? Just throwing it out there, since we don't know what will be announced. For all we know, UA could be pulling our leg to hide what really will be announced?
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:53 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
jfidler wrote:
My guesses:

IAD-WAW. It's the only major *A hub in Europe not served yet from IAD.
IAD-PVG (but is China opening slots?)
IAD-ICN (does ICN have capacity?)

PRG flights from an UA hub (EWR?) could be interesting if they want to compete with AA's recently-announced expansion in Eastern Europe (more PRG capacity, new service to KRK).


There’s 7 open PEK and PVG frequencies after AA lost ORD authority to both cities.

I believe those are both dormant and retained by AA?


Dormancy ended June 28, 2019.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:55 pm

voxkel wrote:
As of now my gut is thinking that this will primarily be EWR-Secondary EU. Looking at the video it hints that these new destinations will be new to the overall UA network. Secondary EU was a near monopoly for UA until AA started several new flights from PHL.

Such as LPA/VLC/AGP/FLR/DUS. Out of these EWR-DUS is the most needed.


I'm not saying your gut is wrong but UA has added quite a few secondary EU markets from EWR over the past 2 maybe 3 years.
My wish list is below hopefully some of these flight make the announcement.

EWR-DUS
EWR-India (new destination)
ORD-TLV
ORD-BCN (seasonal)
IAH-BRU
IAH-CDG
DEN-CDG
DEN-AMS
LAX-TLV
IAD-MXP
IAD-EZE (seasonal)
DEN-AKL (seasonal)
ORD-EZE (seasonal)
ORD-ATH (seasnal)
IAD-ATH (seasonal)
SFO-BKK
SFO-NGO
SFO-BNE (seasonal)
SFO-GRU (daily IATA winter northern hemisphere, 3x or 4x weekly IATA summer northern hemisphere).
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:56 pm

Look out for more hub to hub flying, like further EWR-FRA, etc.

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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:57 pm

I’ll throw in mine while there’s three minutes left

San Francisco:
Seasonal Rome or Milan
Seasonal Madrid or Barcelona
Possible Asia to Bangkok, Nagoya, or Guangzhou - Probably too crazy.


Newark:
Dubrovnik
Budapest (Both from the recent success of AA’s PHL flights)
Zagreb (rumored New York Area to Zagreb service)
Seville
Official application for second Shanghai flight.

Denver:
Seasonal Dublin
Seasonal Paris
Year-round Munich
London Heathrow upgrades to year-round.

Chicago:
Budapest
Prague
Tel Aviv
Warsaw
Krakow
Madrid
Barcelona
Athens
(To combat the recent AA expansion)
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:57 pm

Ishrion wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

There’s 7 open PEK and PVG frequencies after AA lost ORD authority to both cities.

I believe those are both dormant and retained by AA?


Dormancy ended June 28, 2019.


Seems like IAD PVG is a highly likely then. It's a logical PVG expansion for UA. The case against it is the 2x EWR>PVG recently announced.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:57 pm

NCE is waiting for you UA.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:00 pm

fun2fly wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
I believe those are both dormant and retained by AA?


Dormancy ended June 28, 2019.


Seems like IAD PVG is a highly likely then. It's a logical PVG expansion for UA. The case against it is the 2x EWR>PVG recently announced.


Actually a few months back they proposed a second daily EWR-PVG.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:00 pm

United will add new service from Newark to:

    Curacao - weekly seasonal service on Saturdays beginning December 7, 2019
    Nice - daily seasonal service  starting on May 2, 2019
    Palermo - daily seasonal service starting on May 20, 2019

Also add ORD-ZRH and make EWR-FRA/AMS double-daily.

DEN-LHR and SFO-DEL become year-around.

https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.com ... e-palermo/
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:02 pm

Official:
EWR-NCE
DEN-LHR goes year round
ORD-ZRH
Second daily EWR-FRA
SFO-DEL year round
EWR-PMO
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:03 pm

- DEN-LHR year-round
- Daily year-round ORD-ZRH
- Second daily EWR-FRA
- SFO-DEL extended to year-round

New Destinations:
Curaçao
EWR-Nice
EWR-Palmero
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:03 pm

As predicted, DEN-LHR goes year round.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:03 pm

MrBren wrote:
NCE is waiting for you UA.


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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:03 pm

EWR-CUR is okay, but they need to add it from IAH....
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:04 pm

We're also providing more travel options to Europe with additional flights to Amsterdam, London, Frankfurt and Zurich and we plan to resume seasonal summer service to popular destinations including Athens, Naples, Porto and Barcelona.

Does this mean PRG is out next year? Glad I'm headed there next week then and didn't miss that opportunity.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:05 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
Where are they going to fly to CUR from?


Probably ORD or EWR, but I dont see it anywhere on the article.
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:07 pm

Good to hear about DEN-LHR, though I wonder where that slot is coming from. Did UA buy a winter slot, or is another hub losing a frequency?
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:07 pm

rjmf22 wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
Where are they going to fly to CUR from?


Probably ORD or EWR, but I dont see it anywhere on the article.

It's EWR only .... would be nice to add it from IAH.
 
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Re: UA Network Planning Event 8/22/2019

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:09 pm

UA does amazingly well at AMS for not having connection on the other side. 5x daily: IAD, ORD, EWRx2, IAH.

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