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At the end of the day it comes down to needed range and CASM, because jet fuel prices will be the dominating factor for at least the next 30 years, hence why Qantas already invests so much in Sustainable Aviation Fuel, because it's 1% more efficient and actually lighter per liter than (most) Jet 1A.


Simply not true, CASK only looks at operating costs. The airline will be looking at total costs for aircraft selection.

That why Boeing is offering a compensation package for the 779, the aircraft has numerous direct and total cost increases over the 778.
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Sometime between 2022 and 2028 petroleum will start facing significant demand reductions. Because there are a lot of sources wanting to sell their oil pricing is likely to suffer. My point is not that the cost of aviation will not matter, but that after say 2025 it will start getting cheaper.
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Should anything be read into Joyce's words this week in Dublin? Is this an indication its going Airbus' way if it proceeds?

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/eco ... -1.4046897

Mr Joyce said his discussions with Airbus were in connection with his airline’s so-called Project Sunrise which aims to have non-stop flights between Australia and London and New York.

“We’re working on the price of the aircraft and the performance of the aircraft and we’re nearly there,” he said, speaking of the meeting he had with Airbus on Wednesday.
 
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:11 pm

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Should anything be read into Joyce's words this week in Dublin? Is this an indication its going Airbus' way if it proceeds?


If Qantas had decided to go with Airbus, I would have expected them to issue an MoU or LoI as they could then discuss the final pricing and performance guarantees as well as making a firm order conditional on their negotiations / discussions with CASA and their pilot's union.

As such, I feel this is more related to the RFP they have with Airbus and what Airbus is ready to agree to in terms of pricing and performance guarantees. They will be doing the same with their RFP with Boeing.
 
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 3:24 am

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Sometime between 2022 and 2028 petroleum will start facing significant demand reductions. Because there are a lot of sources wanting to sell their oil pricing is likely to suffer. My point is not that the cost of aviation will not matter, but that after say 2025 it will start getting cheaper.

Not without significant growth in Kerosene refineries. Oil's been getting cheaper the last couple of years, but aviation fuel is still riding high and hasn't dipped much at all.
 
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According to the following article the first research flight will take place next Friday from JFK

https://www.ft.com/content/cd83ad98-ebc ... 065ef5fc55

Aircraft (ZNI - kookaburra) is planned for delivery from PAE on the 16th October
Will position PAE-LAX and spend a couple of days in the QF hangar undergoing the usual post delivery checks
Position to JFK on the 18th, catering to be loaded at LAX
After arriving at JFK aircraft will spend approximately 2 hours on the ground before departing for SYD
QF CEO Alan Joyce will be on this flight
Arriving in SYD on the 20th October, this date also marks 2 years since the delivery of QF's first 789 into SYD

Note: The above is subject to change, sourced from the Australian Thread
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a link on this -> https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/avta ... atterhorn/

Interview with Captain Lisa Norman
Qantas’ 787 fleet manager Captain Lisa Norman sits down with us to chat about the upcoming Project Sunrise test flights, what’s its like to fly while wearing an EEG, and how you actually plan a flight that long.
 
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Is there enough time between the tests and the GO-NO-GO decision for Project Sunrise?

Or will these experimental flights become the perfect argument to delay the decision?
 
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Is there enough time between the tests and the GO-NO-GO decision for Project Sunrise? Or will these experimental flights become the perfect argument to delay the decision?


It sounds like negotiations/discussions with the pilot's union and/or CASA will be the "long pole in the tent" on whether or not Project Sunrise moves forward or not. The tests will likely have some input into said negotiations/discussions.
 
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The second research flight will be done by ZNJ next month which is in Qantas 100th anniversary livery and named Longreach, the second research flight will be LHR-SYD

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/fir ... -year-787/
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Is there enough time between the tests and the GO-NO-GO decision for Project Sunrise? Or will these experimental flights become the perfect argument to delay the decision?


It sounds like negotiations/discussions with the pilot's union and/or CASA will be the "long pole in the tent" on whether or not Project Sunrise moves forward or not. The tests will likely have some input into said negotiations/discussions.


So, it seems the go-no-go decision will slip to next year.
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:54 am

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Sometime between 2022 and 2028 petroleum will start facing significant demand reductions. Because there are a lot of sources wanting to sell their oil pricing is likely to suffer. My point is not that the cost of aviation will not matter, but that after say 2025 it will start getting cheaper.


That is unlikely, as any reduction in price will probably be more than compensated by taxation of CO2 emissions in many countries.
 
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QF6027 (VH-ZNI) has an ETA of 1330LT ex PAE to arrive into LAX at 1600LT on 15 October.
 
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Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:20 am

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VV wrote:
Is there enough time between the tests and the GO-NO-GO decision for Project Sunrise? Or will these experimental flights become the perfect argument to delay the decision?


It sounds like negotiations/discussions with the pilot's union and/or CASA will be the "long pole in the tent" on whether or not Project Sunrise moves forward or not. The tests will likely have some input into said negotiations/discussions.


I'm not so certain about that - though AJ is absolutely framing it to be the case.

QF should already have a pretty good idea of what CASA will and will not accept, and things wouldn't be this far advanced if they were concerned about receiving that approval. I'm sure the fine details still need sorting but they would know, for example, if they're going to need 5 or even 6 pilots already. The tests should go a long way to determining what these details are, as well as providing feedback for the passenger experience.

I know AJ has said that the project depends on getting more out of the crew, and why wouldn't he? He wants them to do more for less. No better way to do that than by making it seem that the whole project - which I think most in the company are energized about - depends on them accepting such concessions. AJ is politically savvy so I wouldn't expect anything less.

The reality though, is that if the project is going to sink by maintaining even the equivalent staffing conditions to today, then the project is not as viable as a multi-billion dollar investment needs to be.

I'm not saying Sunrise is a done-deal. But I think a global economic slowdown is by far the biggest threat to the project. QF will be watching the data very closely over the next couple of months.
 
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That's why I'm a little sceptical of the scenario of using the 777-9 for a period until the 777-8 becomes available for these sunrise route. The 777-9 will be quite a bit heavier that the a350-1000ulr and will need to burn more fuel because of it. And since it needs to lower it passenger count to get the range, it would probably have a similar seating capacity to the a350-1000ulr.

Unless Boeing give the planes for a song, I see the 777-9 being too expensive to effectively operate. I also still feel the a350-1000ulr being in the box seat due to a higher amount of orders compared to the 777-8, so if Qantas needed to get rid of some of the planes, it would be much easier to dispose of the A350s at a reasonable price.
 
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[quote="benjjk"I'm not so certain about that - though AJ is absolutely framing it to be the case.

QF should already have a pretty good idea of what CASA will and will not accept, and things wouldn't be this far advanced if they were concerned about receiving that approval. I'm sure the fine details still need sorting but they would know, for example, if they're going to need 5 or even 6 pilots already. The tests should go a long way to determining what these details are, as well as providing feedback for the passenger experience. .[/quote]
I would guess that CASA has set the minimum/maximum test results it wants to see. The flights are to see if QF can achive them. I wouldn't be putting money on it until the results are in and anaylised from at least the first two flights.

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The primary reason for the test flights is to prove QF's new flight planning software. They will know pretty much immediately whether the modelling is accurate and if they will be able to make the flights work.

Anything else about pilots or jetlag studies of whatever else is publicity fluff.
 
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The primary reason for the test flights is to prove QF's new flight planning software. They will know pretty much immediately whether the modelling is accurate and if they will be able to make the flights work.

Anything else about pilots or jetlag studies of whatever else is publicity fluff.

Really? Then why have they contacted with Sydney & Monash Unis to carry out the study? And the results are going to CASA for fatigue management approval?

Not to deny that validating the software is part of the test but dismissing the fatigue aspect seems unreasonable. See numerious post upthread.

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I read an article from Reuters that the Boeing will be committing for the B778 as Qantas brings it back into considerations for PS.
 
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That's why I'm a little sceptical of the scenario of using the 777-9 for a period until the 777-8 becomes available for these sunrise route. The 777-9 will be quite a bit heavier that the a350-1000ulr and will need to burn more fuel because of it. And since it needs to lower it passenger count to get the range, it would probably have a similar seating capacity to the a350-1000ulr.

Unless Boeing give the planes for a song, I see the 777-9 being too expensive to effectively operate. I also still feel the a350-1000ulr being in the box seat due to a higher amount of orders compared to the 777-8, so if Qantas needed to get rid of some of the planes, it would be much easier to dispose of the A350s at a reasonable price.


It could be that Qantas' thinking is that once the 777-8s arrive, the 777-9s would be reconfigured for higher capacities for use on routes where average traffic capacity is such that a plane larger than the A350-1000 projects to be a better match. So they'd take the hit short-term on ULH with the expectation that they'd perform better over the long term on other sectors.
 
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Alan joyce today in Chicago.....¿Boeing meeting?
 
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The JFK-SYD flight on Friday will operate under the flight number QF7879

Departing JFK 2100
Arrive in SYD 710+2
Scheduled flight time 19hrs 10 mins

https://twitter.com/lb_SFO/status/11845 ... 13729?s=20
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That's why I'm a little sceptical of the scenario of using the 777-9 for a period until the 777-8 becomes available for these sunrise route. The 777-9 will be quite a bit heavier that the a350-1000ulr and will need to burn more fuel because of it. And since it needs to lower it passenger count to get the range, it would probably have a similar seating capacity to the a350-1000ulr.

Unless Boeing give the planes for a song, I see the 777-9 being too expensive to effectively operate. I also still feel the a350-1000ulr being in the box seat due to a higher amount of orders compared to the 777-8, so if Qantas needed to get rid of some of the planes, it would be much easier to dispose of the A350s at a reasonable price.


My understanding, from public reports, was that Boeing's offer included compensation to cover the higher fuel burn on the 779. If that is the case, as others have said, it'd allow QF to start ULH flights on schedule, and then reconfigure the 779s for shorter, thicker routes once the 778 starts arriving.
 
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I read an article from Reuters that the Boeing will be committing for the B778 as Qantas brings it back into considerations for PS.


this one?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN1WV0AA
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Too some extent, do believe that Qantas probably does have a preferred aircraft for sunrise. I'd imagine part of the secrecy and visible meetings with both manufacturers is to drive a better deal.
 
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Alan joyce today in Chicago.....¿Boeing meeting?


He publicly said that he met with Airbus last week re Sunrise so I'd imagine he'll be meeting with Boeing too while he's in the US before the flight on Friday.
 
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Looks like Airbus is getting in for some lobbying or PR to on the wave of the 'research flights'

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ct-sunrise
 
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The JFK-SYD flight on Friday will operate under the flight number QF7879

Departing JFK 2100
Arrive in SYD 710+2
Scheduled flight time 19hrs 10 mins

https://twitter.com/lb_SFO/status/11845 ... 13729?s=20


VH-ZNI according to that tweet. But 19 hours isn't that big of a deal...Singapore flies an 18 hour duration regularly, so this is just 1 hour and change more. And since its scheduled as 19, that means it could actually be less as I see many of Singapore's EWRSIN flights end up less than scheduled.

yesterday's SIA21 flight was completed in 18:10 and the schedule time is 18:25
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¿When is the flight from LAX to JFK before the JFK - SYD of the VH-ZNI?
 
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¿When is the flight from LAX to JFK before the JFK - SYD of the VH-ZNI?


ZNI departs LAX 955am local time, which is about 3 and a half hours from now
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The JFK-SYD flight on Friday will operate under the flight number QF7879

Departing JFK 2100
Arrive in SYD 710+2
Scheduled flight time 19hrs 10 mins

https://twitter.com/lb_SFO/status/11845 ... 13729?s=20


Does it in westbound or eastbound?
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qf789 wrote:
The JFK-SYD flight on Friday will operate under the flight number QF7879

Departing JFK 2100
Arrive in SYD 710+2
Scheduled flight time 19hrs 10 mins

https://twitter.com/lb_SFO/status/11845 ... 13729?s=20


Does it in westbound or eastbound?


It will fly westbound
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qf789 wrote:
claudiofalcao wrote:
qf789 wrote:
The JFK-SYD flight on Friday will operate under the flight number QF7879

Departing JFK 2100
Arrive in SYD 710+2
Scheduled flight time 19hrs 10 mins

https://twitter.com/lb_SFO/status/11845 ... 13729?s=20


Does it in westbound or eastbound?


It will fly westbound


Correct me if I'm wrong...
Could be better flight on eastbound? There is jetstream in eastbound, isn't it?
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claudiofalcao wrote:

Does it in westbound or eastbound?


It will fly westbound


Correct me if I'm wrong...
Could be better flight on eastbound? There is jetstream in eastbound, isn't it?


Flying JFK-SYD eastbound is significantly longer in both distance and time
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On its way to JFK. Very excited.

Did they file the flight plan for JFK-SYD?
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On its way to JFK. Very excited.

Did they file the flight plan for JFK-SYD?


What's the plane Reg, want to keep an eye on this today on FR24 :bouncy:
 
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dtw2hyd wrote:
On its way to JFK. Very excited.

Did they file the flight plan for JFK-SYD?


What's the plane Reg, want to keep an eye on this today on FR24 :bouncy:


Reg is VH-ZNI, operating as QF6027 LAX-JFK then QF7879 JFK-SYD

Link for FR24 for QF6027

https://www.flightradar24.com/QFA6027/22861f60
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dtw2hyd wrote:
On its way to JFK. Very excited.

Did they file the flight plan for JFK-SYD?


What's the plane Reg, want to keep an eye on this today on FR24 :bouncy:


As posted upthread, it is VH-ZNI as QF6027.
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ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
On its way to JFK. Very excited.

Did they file the flight plan for JFK-SYD?


What's the plane Reg, want to keep an eye on this today on FR24 :bouncy:


As posted upthread, it is VH-ZNI as QF6027.


d'oh... apologies, should have caught that!
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ZNI now airborne to JFK
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How many meals will they be served? I feel like with a total travel time including entering/leaving airport at both ends, it should be 3 full scheduled meals no matter which cabin.

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Qantas Press Release on first research flight

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -take-off/

Some additional information on QF7879 JFK-SYD

50 passengers and crew on board
Will take off with maximum fuel, restricted passenger and baggage load and no cargo
Purpose of the flight is to conduct research on passengers and crew including increasing health and wellness, reducing jetlag and identifying optimum crew rest and work periods
Expect to take 19 and half hours subject to wind versus 22hrs and 20 minutes JFK-LAX-SYD
Months of flight planning including daily plans to establish and wind and weather patterns
Four pilots operating the flight plus 2 that operated on the positioning flight to JFK, overall experience is 67,000 hours
ZNI will depart with maximum fuel load, approx. 101,000kg of fuel, arrive into SYD with 6,000kg remaining
MTOW for 789 is 254,000kg, QF7879 takeoff weight 233,000kg
101,000kg is also the same amount of fuel Qantas departs with on PER-LHR
Initially will climb to FL360 and will further climb to FL400 a few hours into flight
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Re: Qantas plans 3 Project Sunrise research flights in Q4 2019 using 787-9's, final decision on PS by end of 2019

Fri Oct 18, 2019 10:48 pm

To translate, since it wasn't already done:

-Maximum Fuel Load (Departing): ~222,666 lbs.
-Expected Fuel Remaining upon Landing: ~13,227 lbs.
-MTOW for the 787-9: ~559,974 lbs.
-QF7879 Takeoff Weight: ~513,677 lbs.

It'll be interesting to see how much fuel they end up landing with. I hope someone can report back with the actual amount.
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Re: Qantas plans 3 Project Sunrise research flights in Q4 2019 using 787-9's, final decision on PS by end of 2019

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:17 am

They've just pushed back. Let the fun begin!
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Re: Qantas plans 3 Project Sunrise research flights in Q4 2019 using 787-9's, final decision on PS by end of 2019

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:24 am

Flight QF7879 from New York to Sydney
https://fr24.com/QFA7879/2287630a

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Re: Qantas plans 3 Project Sunrise research flights in Q4 2019 using 787-9's, final decision on PS by end of 2019

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:26 am

qf789 wrote:
Qantas Press Release on first research flight

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -take-off/

Some additional information on QF7879 JFK-SYD

50 passengers and crew on board
Will take off with maximum fuel, restricted passenger and baggage load and no cargo
Purpose of the flight is to conduct research on passengers and crew including increasing health and wellness, reducing jetlag and identifying optimum crew rest and work periods
Expect to take 19 and half hours subject to wind versus 22hrs and 20 minutes JFK-LAX-SYD
Months of flight planning including daily plans to establish and wind and weather patterns
Four pilots operating the flight plus 2 that operated on the positioning flight to JFK, overall experience is 67,000 hours
ZNI will depart with maximum fuel load, approx. 101,000kg of fuel, arrive into SYD with 6,000kg remaining
MTOW for 789 is 254,000kg, QF7879 takeoff weight 233,000kg
101,000kg is also the same amount of fuel Qantas departs with on PER-LHR
Initially will climb to FL360 and will further climb to FL400 a few hours into flight
That's 21t below MTOW, so if they can find extra tankage for fuel how many more passengers can they take on,

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Re: Qantas plans 3 Project Sunrise research flights in Q4 2019 using 787-9's, final decision on PS by end of 2019

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:29 am

Ok, it is airborne. God speed Kookaburra.
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Re: Qantas plans 3 Project Sunrise research flights in Q4 2019 using 787-9's, final decision on PS by end of 2019

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:34 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
Ok, it is airborne. God speed Kukoobarra.


You mean kookaburra
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Re: Qantas plans 3 Project Sunrise research flights in Q4 2019 using 787-9's, final decision on PS by end of 2019

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:41 am

qf789 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Ok, it is airborne. God speed Kukoobarra.


You mean kookaburra


Sorry, I corrected the spelling.
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