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Re: Qantas plans 3 Project Sunrise research flights in Q4 2019 using 787-9's, final decision on PS by end of 2019

Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:52 am

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Qantas Press Release on first research flight

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -take-off/

Some additional information on QF7879 JFK-SYD

50 passengers and crew on board
Will take off with maximum fuel, restricted passenger and baggage load and no cargo
Purpose of the flight is to conduct research on passengers and crew including increasing health and wellness, reducing jetlag and identifying optimum crew rest and work periods
Expect to take 19 and half hours subject to wind versus 22hrs and 20 minutes JFK-LAX-SYD
Months of flight planning including daily plans to establish and wind and weather patterns
Four pilots operating the flight plus 2 that operated on the positioning flight to JFK, overall experience is 67,000 hours
ZNI will depart with maximum fuel load, approx. 101,000kg of fuel, arrive into SYD with 6,000kg remaining
MTOW for 789 is 254,000kg, QF7879 takeoff weight 233,000kg
101,000kg is also the same amount of fuel Qantas departs with on PER-LHR
Initially will climb to FL360 and will further climb to FL400 a few hours into flight
That's 21t below MTOW, so if they can find extra tankage for fuel how many more passengers can they take on,

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Not enough. Roughly new tankage would take 5 tons leaving 16 tons. Roughly for every ten people is 115kg including lavatory water, catering, and people. Add about 45 kg per person of added fuel burn. So 16,000/160=100 more or 135 pax (I subtract 15 for crew, my SWAG), absolute best case scenario. The 789 is great, but not a profitable choice at current empty weight and MTOW for this range.

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Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:20 am

Just flew over my head a while ago.

As for the existing slots that QF has there...the flight cannot arrive at SYD before 6 AM owing to a curfew there. I would suspect that QF would want to push the return flight's JFK departure back to about 8 PM to be curfew compliant, while using the existing afternoon slot. As for flights to MEL and BNE, it might make sense for AA to add a wide-body flight from JFK-LAX, since I suspect that QF flights to LAX will be terminator flights.

A possible schedule might be like this:
QF11 SYD 12:20 - 16:40 JFK (778 or 351) D
QF12 JFK 2000 - 0610+2 SYD (778 or 351) D

Also, the later departure would allow for passengers to be collected at SYD. I suspect that the BNE flight via LAX would be dropped.
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:16 am

The SYD curfew will never be scrapped. It is too politically sensitive for both major parties, at both the Commonwealth and NSW level, for there to ever be any political support for removing it. With SWZ opening eventually it will become less relevant than it is now.
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:39 am

RyanairGuru completely correct! The curfew is now LAW, NOT an administrative decree. To change it would require an act of the Australian parliment. With five fedral electorates surronding the airport it'll never hapen the governments majority in parliment only occousionly excees five, if those five voted as a block [which they would on this issue] they would bring down the government.
In fact it is much more likely that you will see curfews imposed on MEL & BNE [there are movements under way in both cities] than the removal of the SYD curfew.

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Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:43 am

Not trying to hijack the thread, but SYD curfew will never ever be lifted for political reasons. The electoral districts under the flight paths are relatively marginal and it would be political suicide at all levels of government (not just the one responsible) for the curfew to be changed.

QF (alongside BA) gets special dispensation during some parts of the year for arrivals as early as 5am, which would obviously be a possibility for Project Sunrise. I would imagine that QF would want both of the JFK and LHR to SYD flight to arrive around 5-6am SYD, and will attempt to work out slot deals to allow for these arrival times. Surely it would be possible for QF to do a slot swap with BA at LHR and AA at JFK if they can't get the optimal slots themsleves?

In terms of diversion points, there are plenty of curfew free diversion points that can be used other than turning back to SYD. SWZ will be up and running from 2026 and likely be curfew free, and PER, LEA, BNE, NOU, etc all don't have curfews
 
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Re: Qantas plans 3 Project Sunrise research flights in Q4 2019 using 787-9's, final decision on PS by end of 2019

Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:57 am

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chiki wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Qantas Press Release on first research flight

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -take-off/

Some additional information on QF7879 JFK-SYD

50 passengers and crew on board
Will take off with maximum fuel, restricted passenger and baggage load and no cargo
Purpose of the flight is to conduct research on passengers and crew including increasing health and wellness, reducing jetlag and identifying optimum crew rest and work periods
Expect to take 19 and half hours subject to wind versus 22hrs and 20 minutes JFK-LAX-SYD
Months of flight planning including daily plans to establish and wind and weather patterns
Four pilots operating the flight plus 2 that operated on the positioning flight to JFK, overall experience is 67,000 hours
ZNI will depart with maximum fuel load, approx. 101,000kg of fuel, arrive into SYD with 6,000kg remaining
MTOW for 789 is 254,000kg, QF7879 takeoff weight 233,000kg
101,000kg is also the same amount of fuel Qantas departs with on PER-LHR
Initially will climb to FL360 and will further climb to FL400 a few hours into flight
That's 21t below MTOW, so if they can find extra tankage for fuel how many more passengers can they take on,

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Not enough. Roughly new tankage would take 5 tons leaving 16 tons. Roughly for every ten people is 115kg including lavatory water, catering, and people. Add about 45 kg per person of added fuel burn. So 16,000/160=100 more or 135 pax (I subtract 15 for crew, my SWAG), absolute best case scenario. The 789 is great, but not a profitable choice at current empty weight and MTOW for this range.

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Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:09 am

As it is LHR-SYD probably wouldn't be curfew restricted anyway. It will probably end up with similar times to the current LHR-PER flight, with a lunchtime departure from LHR and afternoon arrival in SYD. The LHR curfew would come into play otherwise, as an 05:00 arrival in SYD would depart LHR around midnight which isn't possible.
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:25 am

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QF (alongside BA) gets special dispensation during some parts of the year for arrivals as early as 5am, which would obviously be a possibility for Project Sunrise.


That dispensation only exists as long as there isn’t a curfew-free alternative in the Sydney basin, which of course there will be come SWZ.

I agree with RyanairGuru, LHR-SYD will be a late-morning departure for an afternoon arrival into SYD.
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:32 am

Actually timing on QF7879 is quite good. 9pm out of JFK arrival 7.30am into SYD.

Nice dinner before sleep around midnight...lets say 6-7 hrs if lucky to have lie flat...a bit less in Y. So after still have 10hrs flying...watch TV...couple laps around the plane..couple of naps...eat..still around 5-6 hrs to go...geez...is really long (19hrs scheduled).

Guess the whole flight is in darkness from start to finish...very very long!
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:32 am

Actually timing on QF7879 is quite good. 9pm out of JFK arrival 7.30am into SYD.

Nice dinner before sleep around midnight...lets say 6-7 hrs if lucky to have lie flat...a bit less in Y. So after still have 10hrs flying...watch TV...couple laps around the plane..couple of naps...eat..still around 5-6 hrs to go...geez...is really long (19hrs scheduled).

Guess the whole flight is in darkness from start to finish...very very long!
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:39 am

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Actually timing on QF7879 is quite good. 9pm out of JFK arrival 7.30am into SYD.

Nice dinner before sleep around midnight...lets say 6-7 hrs if lucky to have lie flat...a bit less in Y. So after still have 10hrs flying...watch TV...couple laps around the plane..couple of naps...eat..still around 5-6 hrs to go...geez...is really long (19hrs scheduled).

Guess the whole flight is in darkness from start to finish...very very long!


It’s more than likely been scheduled to replicate what would be the PS schedule.

If you track QF7879 -ZNI was over LAX around the same time QF12 LAX-SYD departed.

Perfecting timings for onward connections.


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Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:51 am

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Actually timing on QF7879 is quite good. 9pm out of JFK arrival 7.30am into SYD.

Nice dinner before sleep around midnight...lets say 6-7 hrs if lucky to have lie flat...a bit less in Y. So after still have 10hrs flying...watch TV...couple laps around the plane..couple of naps...eat..still around 5-6 hrs to go...geez...is really long (19hrs scheduled).

Guess the whole flight is in darkness from start to finish...very very long!


It’s more than likely been scheduled to replicate what would be the PS schedule.

If you track QF7879 -ZNI was over LAX around the same time QF12 LAX-SYD departed.

Perfecting timings for onward connections.


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Should be noted that QF12 departed JFK about 3 hours before QF7879 and now QF7879 is now in front of both QF12 and QF16

On a separate note QF7879 will mark half way in about 3 minutes, currently climbing from FL380 to FL400, just south of Hawaii

Also currently tracking at a time of 18hrs and 45 mins, though that will probably go out to 19 hours by the time it goes to approaching SYD
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:55 am

It's currently SE of HNL sourrond by most of tonights flight of airliners out of LAX for aUSTRALIA. UA863, DL41,UA98 & QF12. It's up high at 38,00 feet, the rest are between 34 & 36,000.
It's virtualy on the QF 12 schedule, so unless something odd shows up I'd say that will be pretty close to the PS schedule.

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Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:02 am

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Actually timing on QF7879 is quite good. 9pm out of JFK arrival 7.30am into SYD.

Nice dinner before sleep around midnight...lets say 6-7 hrs if lucky to have lie flat...a bit less in Y. So after still have 10hrs flying...watch TV...couple laps around the plane..couple of naps...eat..still around 5-6 hrs to go...geez...is really long (19hrs scheduled).

Guess the whole flight is in darkness from start to finish...very very long!


It’s more than likely been scheduled to replicate what would be the PS schedule.

If you track QF7879 -ZNI was over LAX around the same time QF12 LAX-SYD departed.

Perfecting timings for onward connections.


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Should be noted that QF12 departed JFK about 3 hours before QF7879 and now QF7879 is now in front of both QF12 and QF16

On a separate note QF7879 will mark half way in about 3 minutes, currently climbing from FL380 to FL400, just south of Hawaii

Also currently tracking at a time of 18hrs and 45 mins, though that will probably go out to 19 hours by the time it goes to approaching SYD


Which I say warrants QF will more than likely push ahead with PS.

The pinch point with the current arrangement’s in LAX for instances if the QF93 delays ex-MEL and can’t recover during flight then the connecting pax are thrown on next available flight to New York & I’m sure pax are not a fan of otherwise they wouldn’t book their ticket to fly QF. Same goes for the return if QF12 delays ex-JFK.


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Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:59 am

It’s pretty amazing that it’s already at 40,000 ft with over 8 1/2 hours left to go in the flight.
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:17 pm

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That curfew will have to be dropped eventually, or at least waved specifically for PS flights..... ....Not to mention near everyone in Sydney is up well before 6AM anyway apart from the night time construction crews just to make the morning commute. Commonwealth Law or not, it doesn't make much sense to still have it a SYD.


I have been a member of airliners.net for well over twelve years. I was a lurker for about four years before joining. So, for sixteen years now I have been a daily visitor to this site. I don’t think, in all that time, I have read such a breathtakingly arrogant post as yours.

Did you actually write it with a straight face?

That curfew in Sydney is going nowhere. QF’s planners will work within the constraints they have, and schedule the flight accordingly.

Nothing arrogant about it. I know the city. The curfew was originally established so people could sleep until 6AM undisturbed "like the rest of western civilization". Unless you live within walking distance of the CBD, you're up for at least 90 minutes before starting work at 7AM, which quite a few office workers are just to avoid the main 8AM arrival rush, not to mention parents getting kids ready for school. So much of the city's workforce is awake long before that 6AM curfew breaks, from a practical standpoint, having it stay at 6AM these days is pointless given the original justification is not applicable and the economic boost lifting it would have is significant.


You are living in a fantasy world if you think that the curfew at SYD is ever going to be lifted. Forget it, it is not going to happen and if anything, it will only get tightened when the new airport opens.
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:20 pm

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It’s more than likely been scheduled to replicate what would be the PS schedule.

If you track QF7879 -ZNI was over LAX around the same time QF12 LAX-SYD departed.

Perfecting timings for onward connections.


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Should be noted that QF12 departed JFK about 3 hours before QF7879 and now QF7879 is now in front of both QF12 and QF16

On a separate note QF7879 will mark half way in about 3 minutes, currently climbing from FL380 to FL400, just south of Hawaii

Also currently tracking at a time of 18hrs and 45 mins, though that will probably go out to 19 hours by the time it goes to approaching SYD


Which I say warrants QF will more than likely push ahead with PS.

The pinch point with the current arrangement’s in LAX for instances if the QF93 delays ex-MEL and can’t recover during flight then the connecting pax are thrown on next available flight to New York & I’m sure pax are not a fan of otherwise they wouldn’t book their ticket to fly QF. Same goes for the return if QF12 delays ex-JFK.


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They will probably rework their plane schedule for ferrying with the new Chicago flight is in the mix too. Given the departure time of PS ex-JFK, it probably makes some sense to have one of the set fly to LAX and act as a ferry reliably rather than have ex-MEL be the only one. That would give Qantas some better guarantees for customers and improve utilization.
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:12 pm

7 more hours to go. Are there any pictures from JFK or in-flight? Qantas USA twitter has nothing.
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:17 pm

How noisy are the newest planes landing, obviously these ones with a light load? 350, 787 are suppose to be fairly quiet, and with a curfew going on they could take an approach with least affect on the ground. I tend to side with curfews, but would decide based on actual noise levels.
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Not enough. Roughly new tankage would take 5 tons leaving 16 tons. Roughly for every ten people is 115kg including lavatory water, catering, and people. Add about 45 kg per person of added fuel burn. So 16,000/160=100 more or 135 pax (I subtract 15 for crew, my SWAG), absolute best case scenario. The 789 is great, but not a profitable choice at current empty weight and MTOW for this range.

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Interesting. If the 260t MTOW happens for the 787-9 that might mean another 45 passengers.

That is 180 seats. A pretty acceptable number considering the normal Qantas cabin is 236 seats. I am curious to see how much fuel it lands the flight lands with.

I do however think new tankage would be much less than 5000kg. The 777LR tanks itself weigh well under 1000kg and it can carry 5,700kg of fuel. The tank and all of the pipework would surely be under 2000kg.

So it would actually have 19t left. 19000/160 is 118 more or 153 passengers. With 45kg of extra fuel per passenger that is 5,300kg of extra fuel.

So the single ACT would be just about perfect to allow 153 passengers at the current MTOW. The 260t MTOW would be very close to 200 passengers.I wonder how Chicago would go.
 
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The new 787-9 is flying nonstop from JFK to SYD according to FlightRadar24. This is a distance of 9993 miles - quite the long-haul!
 
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This 787-9 is VH-ZNI.
 
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I see the A35K(ULR version) as the most likely plane for Project Sunrise, just because it would be available sooner, while the B777X is delayed significantly, and I also see SQ, QR, and DL being interested as well. SQ could introduce first class and economy on SIN-LAX and EWR nonstop, and QF could do 4 classes as well on SYD-JFK and SYD-DFW (the latter replacing the A388). as well as SYD-CDG and SYD-LHR. DL could also do ATL-JNB (taking into account that JNB is hot and high), and QR would be interested for DOH-Australia and AKL with a larger QSuite cabin. There is a market for at least 40-50 planes, with QF needing at least 13 for SYD-CDG/DFW/JFK/LHR (3 frames for CDG, JFK, and LHR, 2 for DFW, and 2 for backup)...and that's if QF doesn't decide to also replace the A388 fleet then over time, as the oldest frames will be 16 years old then, with high costs...while the A35K would have significantly lower costs.
 
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The pinch point with the current arrangement’s in LAX for instances if the QF93 delays ex-MEL and can’t recover during flight then the connecting pax are thrown on next available flight to New York & I’m sure pax are not a fan of otherwise they wouldn’t book their ticket to fly QF. Same goes for the return if QF12 delays ex-JFK.


Just flew MEL-LAX on QF93 last Sunday and had a ~10 hour delay (thankfully QF notified us well in advance and I got an extra day in Melbourne!!), and struck up a conversation with some guys heading to JFK. I felt bad for them as the QF lounge agent kept bringing them new BPs including one for an AA redeye. They got QF to pay for a hotel and put them on the next day's LAX-JFK QF12.

If this whole nonstop Australia-JFK goes forward, it'll probably be like the PER-LHR flight. If you're local to that city, it's a no brainer. If you have to fly BNE/MEL-SYD to catch it, it's almost better to fly somewhere in the US first, then head to New York.

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7 more hours to go. Are there any pictures from JFK or in-flight? Qantas USA twitter has nothing.


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Sat Oct 19, 2019 4:41 pm

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The pinch point with the current arrangement’s in LAX for instances if the QF93 delays ex-MEL and can’t recover during flight then the connecting pax are thrown on next available flight to New York & I’m sure pax are not a fan of otherwise they wouldn’t book their ticket to fly QF. Same goes for the return if QF12 delays ex-JFK.


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If they do implement a direct flight from JFK, my assumption would be that the load factor on that flight will be too high to accommodate any more than a very few pax, and I mean a very few like 20 or less.
 
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How noisy are the newest planes landing, obviously these ones with a light load? 350, 787 are suppose to be fairly quiet, and with a curfew going on they could take an approach with least affect on the ground. I tend to side with curfews, but would decide based on actual noise levels.


Quieter than before, but at 4:30am in the morning, these new big planes would still be loud enough. We have colleagues at work who when attending Skype meetings while working from home have to be told to mute their microphone, the noise of the plane flying overhead drowns out everyone else.

As a note: I’ve lived under the flight path for a very, very long time so I’ll claim a right to comment on this.

An A380 is quiet, but at low altitudes on landing approaches it is still very noisy. A 787 or A350 would surely be similar, as would I guess a 777X.
 
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Not enough. Roughly new tankage would take 5 tons leaving 16 tons. Roughly for every ten people is 115kg including lavatory water, catering, and people. Add about 45 kg per person of added fuel burn. So 16,000/160=100 more or 135 pax (I subtract 15 for crew, my SWAG), absolute best case scenario. The 789 is great, but not a profitable choice at current empty weight and MTOW for this range.

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Interesting. If the 260t MTOW happens for the 787-9 that might mean another 45 passengers.

That is 180 seats. A pretty acceptable number considering the normal Qantas cabin is 236 seats. I am curious to see how much fuel it lands the flight lands with.

I do however think new tankage would be much less than 5000kg. The 777LR tanks itself weigh well under 1000kg and it can carry 5,700kg of fuel. The tank and all of the pipework would surely be under 2000kg.

So it would actually have 19t left. 19000/160 is 118 more or 153 passengers. With 45kg of extra fuel per passenger that is 5,300kg of extra fuel.

So the single ACT would be just about perfect to allow 153 passengers at the current MTOW. The 260t MTOW would be very close to 200 passengers.I wonder how Chicago would go.

All tanks have unusable fuel. A320 ACTs weight 1/2 ton and have 1/2 ton of unusable fuel. It is the unable fuel that is the weight killer. If the rumored weight reduction, MTOW increase, and CFRP turbine inlet guide vanes a la GE9x, then we get to profitable loads on the 789. But why wait? I'm a huge fan of the 777, but the A350 and 777x have the wings for range.

The 789 (and 78X) economizing on the 788 wing was an optimization on shorter missions, not ULH.

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Sat Oct 19, 2019 5:27 pm

QF7879 now 3 hours out of SYD, 16 hours in the air so far, currently at FL420
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A few pics taken of the crew prior to departure.

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I count 2 captains, 1 first officer, and 2 second officer. Are only 5 pilots required for a 19hr flight?
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:03 pm

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce prior to boarding at JFK

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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:11 pm

m007j wrote:
I count 2 captains, 1 first officer, and 2 second officer. Are only 5 pilots required for a 19hr flight?


If I’m not mistaken believe there are total of 6 tech onboard. 4 operating & 2 paxing ex-QF6027.



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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:16 pm

qf789 wrote:
claudiofalcao wrote:
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It will fly westbound


Correct me if I'm wrong...
Could be better flight on eastbound? There is jetstream in eastbound, isn't it?


Flying JFK-SYD eastbound is significantly longer in both distance and time


Oh, OK. Thank you for the clarification.
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:18 pm

Is there anyone reporting directly from the airplane?
QFA12 is escorting the QF7879.
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:23 pm

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Don't think we'll be seeing those LATAM aircraft at T8 for long...
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:26 pm

There have been some updates throughout the flight from the flightdeck

First update 5hrs into flight

1 crew change, captain resting, first rest period shortest of flight
20.7 tonnes of fuel used in first 3 hours

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 50112?s=20

6hrs into flight

QF7879 crosses US coast
Captain has returned to flightdeck, 2 crew have commenced long rest period
Brainwave monitoring ongoing
Crew on rest have eaten first meal

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 37953?s=20

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 94658?s=20

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 09952?s=20

8hrs into flight

QF7879 overtakes QF12

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 90976?s=20

13 hrs into flight

QF7879 crosses equator and International Date Line

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 21410?s=20

17 hrs into flight

First signs of sunrise
Flight progressing better than planned

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 83457?s=20
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:27 pm

According to FlightRadar24 QF7879 is keeping pace with QF12 just southwest of New Caledonia. 9993 miles is a longgg-haul.
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:32 pm

claudiofalcao wrote:
Is there anyone reporting directly from the airplane?
QFA12 is escorting the QF7879.


All QF long haul aircraft are not fitted with WIFI, I have just posted above some limited information that has been communicated from the flight deck I believe through ACARS, for actual accounts onboard, you wont hear anything until after landing into SYD
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:38 pm

qf789 wrote:
claudiofalcao wrote:
Is there anyone reporting directly from the airplane?
QFA12 is escorting the QF7879.


All QF long haul aircraft are not fitted with WIFI, I have just posted above some limited information that has been communicated from the flight deck I believe through ACARS, for actual accounts onboard, you wont hear anything until after landing into SYD


Oh, OK. Thanks!
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:39 pm

A couple of days ago Qantas also released passenger research on how travellers beat jet lag of which has already been studied on QF's PER-LHR flight

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... at-jetlag/
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:23 pm

18 more minutes to landing at SYD!
A313 332 343 B703 712 722 732 73G 738 739 741 742 744 752 762 76E 764 772 AT5 CR9 D10 DHH DHT F27 GRM L10 M83 TU5
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:31 pm

7,200 ft and about 10 minutes to land...
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:37 pm

Going to RWY16R approach.
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 8:39 pm

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Going to RWY16R approach.


Safely touched down at Sydney!
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:47 pm

& -ZNI is off again being ferried to MEL to under go preservice checks.

Flight QF6027 from Sydney
https://fr24.com/QFA6027/228a0769

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Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:58 pm

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A couple of days ago Qantas also released passenger research on how travellers beat jet lag of which has already been studied on QF's PER-LHR flight

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... at-jetlag/


Well, having just did the flying part (almost 19hrs in air) to then face a connection flight, with what, 2hrs on ground? Would be a bit of a nightmare I'd think. Nevermind the jetlag, I think the body would be totally knackered at that point.
 
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Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:25 pm

I’d be fascinated how they will plan to take into account taxi time in JFK and LHR, on a bad day could use up valuable crew hours and fuel. I wonder how much of a buffer they would have for dirty hour extensions?
 

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