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Blerg
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:14 pm

Ok but could we then see Wizz Air operate out of CDG if they don't get the ORY slots they want? They do operate from centrally located airports such as VIE, MXP or FRA.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:43 pm

There is also talk of an additional aircraft at LTN based on a slot trade (with TUI).
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:26 pm

EIBPI wrote:
There is also talk of an additional aircraft at LTN based on a slot trade (with TUI).



That’s cool when you say slot trade I guess you mean W6 is offering slots somewhere as well? It most probably is in the UK what do they have to offer? BHX maybe after TC collapsed and jet2 jumped TUI might have got caught out and would like to expand there further.

LGW however those slots definitely seem more valuable to have then LTN so I don’t see the benefit in that.

Maybe they are offering straight cash?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:46 am

Is it possible for Wizz to compete with Norwegian with the A321XLR?
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Blerg
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Sat Dec 21, 2019 6:44 am

Rossiya747 wrote:
Is it possible for Wizz to compete with Norwegian with the A321XLR?


I think I remember reading somewhere that Wizz Air wants to fly to India from Vienna. However that was about a year ago so who knows what they plan on doing now. However, I think it won't happen before any new bases are opened in western Europe. Can they even reach New York from Budapest, Warsaw and Vienna with all the winds, congestion ...
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Sat Dec 21, 2019 10:57 am

Blerg wrote:
Rossiya747 wrote:
Is it possible for Wizz to compete with Norwegian with the A321XLR?


I think I remember reading somewhere that Wizz Air wants to fly to India from Vienna. However that was about a year ago so who knows what they plan on doing now. However, I think it won't happen before any new bases are opened in western Europe. Can they even reach New York from Budapest, Warsaw and Vienna with all the winds, congestion ...


They said they have no interest in the TATL market, he said prices are already pretty low and there is no need for W6 to jump into that space.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:39 pm

Wizz Air are doing quite a lot of flying on 25/12 this year including an almost full Eastwards schedule from LTN.
 
Blerg
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:54 am

Wizz Air to launch to enter the Armenian market from Vilnius and Vienna. Austrian Airlines flies to Yerevan three times in winter and six times in summer. Wizz Air is surely taking away the monopoly from Austrian Airlines on many routes from Vienna. Now wonder they are performing so badly (financially).

https://www.reuters.com/article/wizz-ai ... SL8N28Q13O
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:21 am

^^^
How come they didn't launch BUD as well?
No one is currently serving it, it seems like a no-brainer to me.
 
Blerg
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:37 am

P1aneMad wrote:
^^^
How come they didn't launch BUD as well?
No one is currently serving it, it seems like a no-brainer to me.


My guess is that they will eventually add it. I am certain they got a good deal from EVN so maybe Wizz Air gave them a list of destinations they could launch and the airport chose these two? That's what Ryanair and Wizz Air did in the Balkans years ago when they were just entering the market. They probably looked where they have spare capacity to deploy to.

Other possibility is that Budapest-Kutaisi isn't doing all that well so they might think Yerevan might not either.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 7:43 am

EIBPI wrote:
Wizz Air are doing quite a lot of flying on 25/12 this year including an almost full Eastwards schedule from LTN.


And I'm on W9 2066! I'll come back to this thread with a rough load factor tomorrow evening.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:47 am

For BUD-EVN they are maybe waiting for subsidies from the Hungarian government, which already pays W6 to fly to former Yugoslavia. Maybe on a package with BUD-TBS.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:58 am

Why would the Hungarian Govt (or BUD airport) pay a subsidy to Wizz to operate flights to Yerevan, beyond standard new route reduced landing fees ? If there is to be a subsidy, I would imagine that the Armenians would be paying...
 
Blerg
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:22 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Why would the Hungarian Govt (or BUD airport) pay a subsidy to Wizz to operate flights to Yerevan, beyond standard new route reduced landing fees ? If there is to be a subsidy, I would imagine that the Armenians would be paying...


Well a while ago the Hungarian government issued a call for bids in order to improve Budapest's connectivity with the Balkans. The whole process was fixed so that W6 gets it. I was actually surprised how low Hungary is in terms of profitability for Wizz Air. I fear they have overexpanded in BUD.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:51 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Why would the Hungarian Govt (or BUD airport) pay a subsidy to Wizz to operate flights to Yerevan, beyond standard new route reduced landing fees ? If there is to be a subsidy, I would imagine that the Armenians would be paying...


Because that is what they are doing with flights to Sarajevo or Tirana.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:50 am

Well (and no we can't put politics aside here), Hungary is not very popular in Armenia since this case:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramil_Safarov

Brief summary: an Azerbaijani soldier killed an Armenian solder during a NATO-training in Budapest. He got life from the Hungarian court but was extradited to Azerbaijan after spending 8 years in prison where he was freed immediately (against earlier promises made that he won't be) and made a national hero. Armenians think Hungary did this in cahoots with Azerbaijan.
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:51 am

I can understand that after the demise of Malev, Hungarian Govt policy might want to encourage connectivity to places relatively close to Hungary, particularly where ground transport is sub-optimal.

However, is there really that strong a trade/cultural link between Hungary and Armenia, compared to Hungary and Bosnia ? It's MUCH further to Yerevan
If the Hungarians want to subsidise Yerevan, why not also subsidise (for example) Cairo ?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:43 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
I can understand that after the demise of Malev, Hungarian Govt policy might want to encourage connectivity to places relatively close to Hungary, particularly where ground transport is sub-optimal.

However, is there really that strong a trade/cultural link between Hungary and Armenia, compared to Hungary and Bosnia ? It's MUCH further to Yerevan
If the Hungarians want to subsidise Yerevan, why not also subsidise (for example) Cairo ?


At this point in time, Hungary has as much in common with Bosnia as it does with Armenia. Historic ties are mostly gone from the time of Austria-Hungary.
 
MCTSET
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:42 pm

Why VNO of all destinations?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:02 pm

Some small difficulties late evening at LTN yesterday, Christmas day:

W64 502 (VAR) goes goes tech, and was replaced by an aircraft due to operate back to Chișinău (KIV). The flight eventually arrived in VAR with a delay of 2:45 or so.

W9 3798 (KIV) ended up departing at 05:59 instead of 00:25 with a Wizz Air UK aircraft.

W9 8109 to OSL was cancelled today.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:36 pm

pdp wrote:
EIBPI wrote:
Wizz Air are doing quite a lot of flying on 25/12 this year including an almost full Eastwards schedule from LTN.


And I'm on W9 2066! I'll come back to this thread with a rough load factor tomorrow evening.


I would put load factor for this at about 98%. Not bad for a market that takes Christmas Eve so seriously!
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:22 pm

Can someone list Wizz Air bases and the number of aircraft they have there?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:42 pm

Blerg wrote:
Can someone list Wizz Air bases and the number of aircraft they have there?


Second that!
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:44 am

Wizz Air bases:

Budapest 13 (14 from 06/20)
Bucharest 11 (12 from 06/20, 13 from 07/20)
London Luton 11
Warsaw 8 (9 from 06/20)
Katowice 8
Cluj Napoca 7
Gdansk 7 (8 from 07/20)
Vienna 7 (8 from 07/20)
Sofia 6
Skopje 5
Kyiv 4
Kutaisi 4 (5 from 07/20)
Chisinau 3
Cracow 3 (4 from 07/20, 5 from 08/20)
Timisoara 3
Vilnius 3
Belgrade 2
Craiova 2
Debrecen 2
Iasi 2 (3 from 08/20)
Riga 2
Sibiu 2
Tuzla 2
Varna 2
Wroclaw 2

To be confirmed:

Abu Dhabi
 
Blerg
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:31 am

Thank you for the list. Seems like Bucharest is performing quite strongly for them. Do they use OTP-based planes to operate some other destinations around Europe in the W pattern? I know they use TSR and CRV for that.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Sun Dec 29, 2019 11:32 am

It's worth noting that normally the Luton aircraft are from the UK AOC exclusively, but occasionally you do see a Hungarian reg flying a W9 flight.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:32 pm

EIBPI wrote:
To be confirmed:

Abu Dhabi

Any word on where the destinations might be?
Some of the big hubs e.g. OTP, BUD, etc?
Perhaps purely just shift the destinations from DWC to AUH to begin with?
 
MCTSET
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:35 pm

EIBPI wrote:
Wizz Air bases:

Budapest 13 (14 from 06/20)
Bucharest 11 (12 from 06/20, 13 from 07/20)
London Luton 11
Warsaw 8 (9 from 06/20)
Katowice 8
Cluj Napoca 7
Gdansk 7 (8 from 07/20)
Vienna 7 (8 from 07/20)
Sofia 6
Skopje 5
Kyiv 4
Kutaisi 4 (5 from 07/20)
Chisinau 3
Cracow 3 (4 from 07/20, 5 from 08/20)
Timisoara 3
Vilnius 3
Belgrade 2
Craiova 2
Debrecen 2
Iasi 2 (3 from 08/20)
Riga 2
Sibiu 2
Tuzla 2
Varna 2
Wroclaw 2

To be confirmed:

Abu Dhabi


Really nice info here, look at Vienna it is there fastest growing base, 8 next year and they said eventually want to have about 20 aircraft from the base, insane.
 
holczakker
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:18 pm

EIBPI wrote:
Wizz Air bases:

Budapest 13 (14 from 06/20)
Bucharest 11 (12 from 06/20, 13 from 07/20)
London Luton 11
Warsaw 8 (9 from 06/20)
Katowice 8
Cluj Napoca 7
Gdansk 7 (8 from 07/20)
Vienna 7 (8 from 07/20)
Sofia 6
Skopje 5
Kyiv 4
Kutaisi 4 (5 from 07/20)
Chisinau 3
Cracow 3 (4 from 07/20, 5 from 08/20)
Timisoara 3
Vilnius 3
Belgrade 2
Craiova 2
Debrecen 2
Iasi 2 (3 from 08/20)
Riga 2
Sibiu 2
Tuzla 2
Varna 2
Wroclaw 2

To be confirmed:

Abu Dhabi


LTN 10, KTW 6, KUT 3
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:16 pm

MCTSET wrote:
EIBPI wrote:
Wizz Air bases:

...
Vienna 7 (8 from 07/20)
...
look at Vienna it is there fastest growing base, 8 next year and they said eventually want to have about 20 aircraft from the base, insane.


Wizzair basing 20 A320s at Vienna along with Lauda/Ryanair would be really painful for Austrian...
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:34 pm

Was disappointed with the initial migrant frenzy routes setting up quite a network at GLA with sometimes multiple flights per day then dwindled to just one. They should have experimented with some random W-routes eg GLA-LTN or some of the other European bases. Lets see how they get on at EDI- suspect they will alter their initial routes there too in due course.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:41 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
MCTSET wrote:
EIBPI wrote:
Wizz Air bases:

...
Vienna 7 (8 from 07/20)
...
look at Vienna it is there fastest growing base, 8 next year and they said eventually want to have about 20 aircraft from the base, insane.


Wizzair basing 20 A320s at Vienna along with Lauda/Ryanair would be really painful for Austrian...


Truth be told, I think it would be painful for pretty much anyone, Wizz Air included. I am sure even BTS would feel that amount of competition.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:43 pm

holczakker wrote:

LTN 10, KTW 6, KUT 3


Happy to be corrected so that we maintain an accurate list but LTN appears to be 11:
https://wizzair.com/static/docs/default ... 15ef11.pdf (Slide 4)

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/wiz ... 05.article

KUT is presently 4, due to become 5 next summer. Today 31/12 morning departure wave from KUT: ATH 06:10, SKG 06:10, BVA 06:35, BLQ 07:15 (BUD at 06:40 is a BUD based aircraft).

https://wizzair.com/static/docs/default ... 8db3da.pdf
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:54 pm

myki wrote:
EIBPI wrote:
To be confirmed:

Abu Dhabi

Any word on where the destinations might be?
Some of the big hubs e.g. OTP, BUD, etc?
Perhaps purely just shift the destinations from DWC to AUH to begin with?


Nothing confirmed. A few snippets of into in this article, which I have not seen previously reported:
https://www.arabianbusiness.com/travel- ... rtnerships

- "The airline, which will be 51 percent Abu Dhabi owned, will start flying in the second half of next year with a fleet of three new Airbus SE A321neos"
- "While the start-up will initially serve cities in Europe and Russia".

Air Arabia Abu Dhabi have apparently loaded their first flights:
https://onemileatatime.com/air-arabia-abu-dhabi/

Abu Dhabi to Almaty 3x weekly
Abu Dhabi to Dhaka 1x daily
Abu Dhabi to Faisalabad 1x daily
Abu Dhabi to Jaipur
Abu Dhabi to Kiev 3x weekly
Abu Dhabi to Multan 1x daily
Abu Dhabi to Peshawar 1x daily
Abu Dhabi to Taif 4x weekly
Abu Dhabi to Tbilisi 1x daily
Abu Dhabi to Yanbu 3x weekly
Abu Dhabi to Yerevan 4x weekly
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:40 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
MCTSET wrote:
EIBPI wrote:
Wizz Air bases:

...
Vienna 7 (8 from 07/20)
...
look at Vienna it is there fastest growing base, 8 next year and they said eventually want to have about 20 aircraft from the base, insane.


Wizzair basing 20 A320s at Vienna along with Lauda/Ryanair would be really painful for Austrian...


The Ryanair Group will have almost 50 daily departures from VIE in summer 2020. It will already be painful for everyone.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:20 am

EIBPI wrote:
holczakker wrote:

LTN 10, KTW 6, KUT 3


Happy to be corrected so that we maintain an accurate list but LTN appears to be 11:
https://wizzair.com/static/docs/default ... 15ef11.pdf (Slide 4)

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/wiz ... 05.article

KUT is presently 4, due to become 5 next summer. Today 31/12 morning departure wave from KUT: ATH 06:10, SKG 06:10, BVA 06:35, BLQ 07:15 (BUD at 06:40 is a BUD based aircraft).

https://wizzair.com/static/docs/default ... 8db3da.pdf


LTN 10. One aircraft was taken from WUK a long time ago (G-WUKB re-regd to HA-LSC).
KUT 3. Today it's HA-LPJ/LSA/LPY. All the other flying is done by aircraft from other bases. There are only three morning flights: ATH, BVA, BLQ. No SKG.
 
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Wizz Air and its love affair with London

Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:51 am

The LTN base for Wizz Air UK is pretty much at saturation point now, and probably for the next year or two...

The airport is at capacity despite the newly expanded terminal only opening last year, they are already exceeding the government cap when they agreed to the expansion. As soon as the airport expanded, Wizz Air jumped on the newly available slots immediately, along with easyJet and Ryanair basing a 2-3 new aircraft each.

Wizz Air make no secret that flights to and from London are their most in demand and profitable, if they cannot expand in the furture at Luton, I could see them opening a base at Southend (SEN), which they recently started flying to and is the only airport with any real expansion opportunity in the London area. One of the issues however is the runway length and I suspect the A321 would struggle operating into Southend and this aircraft type is very much the future of the airline.

Wizz Air have tried to purchase on numerous occasions a significant number of slots from Gatwick, following the collapse of Thomas Cook, Monarch and some Norwegian tried to sell off, with the hope of opening a base. However both easyJet and IAG paid more in the auctions and airline was unsuccessful, they have however managed to obtain a few odd slots over the last 18 months and now have five daily flights from the airport to Budapest, Gdansk, Krakow, Cluj Napoca and Bucharest.

All these routes from Gatwick are also flown multiple daily frequencies from Luton and interestingly Bucharest is also flown from Southend too.

Gatwick is very much the "Golden Goose" for the low cost carriers, as their is huge demand from this area of London and south of England region it covers, as it is considered quite an affluent area. easyJet have always stated how Gatwick is their most profitable base, and can demand higher fares from their due to demand, than the other London airports they operate from, and hence why they choose to prioritise expansion out of Gatwick over Luton in the early 2000s to date.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:44 pm

Updated list based on the feedback here:

Budapest 13 (14 from 06/20)
Bucharest 11 (12 from 06/20, 13 from 07/20)
London Luton 10
Warsaw 8 (9 from 06/20)
Katowice 6
Cluj Napoca 7
Gdansk 7 (8 from 07/20)
Vienna 7 (8 from 07/20)
Sofia 6
Skopje 5
Kyiv 4
Kutaisi 3 (4 from 07/20?)
Chisinau 3
Cracow 3 (4 from 07/20, 5 from 08/20)
Timisoara 3
Vilnius 3
Belgrade 2
Craiova 2
Debrecen 2
Iasi 2 (3 from 08/20)
Riga 2
Sibiu 2
Tuzla 2
Varna 2
Wroclaw 2

To be confirmed:

Abu Dhabi

holczakker wrote:
LTN 10. One aircraft was taken from WUK a long time ago (G-WUKB re-regd to HA-LSC).
KUT 3. Today it's HA-LPJ/LSA/LPY. All the other flying is done by aircraft from other bases. There are only three morning flights: ATH, BVA, BLQ. No SKG.


Thanks. Do you know when (if at all?) KUT will get a 4th/5th aircraft?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:43 pm

How many aircraft are they scheduled to receive in 2020? They have quite a lot of aircraft on order so I am sure those numbers will grow in the near future. I have a feeling that from now on we might start seeing more and more western European basis. ORY is an interesting move, I guess BVA isn't all that great for them.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:51 am

Wizz Air will suspend two routes out of TSR this January:

1. TSR-Billund (05.01.2020)
2. TSR-Doncaster (10.01.2020)

https://boardingpass.ro/wizz-air-suspen ... timisoara/
 
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Re: Wizz Air and its love affair with London

Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:29 pm

gilesdavies wrote:
Wizz Air make no secret that flights to and from London are their most in demand and profitable, if they cannot expand in the furture at Luton, I could see them opening a base at Southend (SEN), which they recently started flying to and is the only airport with any real expansion opportunity in the London area. One of the issues however is the runway length and I suspect the A321 would struggle operating into Southend and this aircraft type is very much the future of the airline.


Alternatively I could see them starting UK bases outside London. Liverpool or Doncaster-Sheffield for example. Or maybe they'll go crazy and start a base in Belfast.

Maybe one day the day will come they're strong enough to compete with Ryanair head to head and they start flights to Dublin, the home turf of Ryanair. Last time EasyJet tried that Ryanair competed them out, but now there's a difference. Ryanair is in a weak position due to the problems with the MAX, which is holding back their growth. Meanwhile Wizzair is growing fast. Wizzair also has a lower cost base than EasyJet, so they might be better suited for challenging Ryanair.
 
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Re: Wizz Air and its love affair with London

Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:44 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
gilesdavies wrote:
Wizz Air make no secret that flights to and from London are their most in demand and profitable, if they cannot expand in the furture at Luton, I could see them opening a base at Southend (SEN), which they recently started flying to and is the only airport with any real expansion opportunity in the London area. One of the issues however is the runway length and I suspect the A321 would struggle operating into Southend and this aircraft type is very much the future of the airline.


Alternatively I could see them starting UK bases outside London. Liverpool or Doncaster-Sheffield for example. Or maybe they'll go crazy and start a base in Belfast.

Maybe one day the day will come they're strong enough to compete with Ryanair head to head and they start flights to Dublin, the home turf of Ryanair. Last time EasyJet tried that Ryanair competed them out, but now there's a difference. Ryanair is in a weak position due to the problems with the MAX, which is holding back their growth. Meanwhile Wizzair is growing fast. Wizzair also has a lower cost base than EasyJet, so they might be better suited for challenging Ryanair.


They just announced Orly flights which is very interesting. I wonder if ORY might eventually become a base or is there no room?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:56 pm

Those ORY slots come from Aigle Azur's bankruptcy. It is whatever W6 has been able to get.

If W6 ever gets some other odd slot at ORY, they will add more big cities like at LGW. From LGW they fly to Bucharest, Budapest, Cluj-Napoca, Gdańsk and Kraków.

Even if slots were available, I doubt W6 setting a base in ORY with all the taxes and work regulations in France. In addition, overall France has a smaller Eastern European diaspora than the UK and it is closer by road (bus).
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:14 pm

But they don't have to open an ORY base tomorrow, how long did it take them to build up LTN before transforming it into a hub. With so many new planes coming they will have to eventually become more aggressive in the West.
 
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Re: Wizz Air and its love affair with London

Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:37 pm

Blerg wrote:
They just announced Orly flights which is very interesting. I wonder if ORY might eventually become a base or is there no room?


Indeed there is no room. They were extremely lucky to get a few slots, but that's it. It would take decades for them to get enough slots to set up a base there.

For now their main gateway to Paris remains Beauvais. Much easier to get slots and not too inconvenient if you consider there's a direct shuttle service between the airport and Porte Maillot in downtown Paris. If they ever start a base in Paris, it'll be at Beauvais.
 
Blerg
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Re: Wizz Air and its love affair with London

Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:04 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
They just announced Orly flights which is very interesting. I wonder if ORY might eventually become a base or is there no room?


Indeed there is no room. They were extremely lucky to get a few slots, but that's it. It would take decades for them to get enough slots to set up a base there.

For now their main gateway to Paris remains Beauvais. Much easier to get slots and not too inconvenient if you consider there's a direct shuttle service between the airport and Porte Maillot in downtown Paris. If they ever start a base in Paris, it'll be at Beauvais.


What about CDG? I know it's more expensive but relative to the size it can't be much different than VIE in terms of costs? After all, FR opened a base in FRA.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:32 pm

FRA realised a few years ago that with static pax numbers while the likes of CGN were growing that they could not ignore LCCs forever. Ryanair's operation at FRA is very much on the cheap - eg aircraft park a long long way from the terminal - it's a considerably different experience compared to (for example) flying with Lufthansa

Unlike Germany, France's economy and population is much more centred on the capital city. Does CDG have room to allow a Wizz or Ryanair base, even with all pax being bussed between aircraft and terminal ? Perhaps when terminal 2B reopens and terminal 2D has been refurbished ? Terminal 3 at CDG (ie the budget terminal) seems pretty busy - might need an extension to house a FR/W6 base

That said, ORY has recently enlarged the terminal space significantly with Terminal 3 that is occupied by Transavia. I'm wondering if there is capacity for squeezing some more flights in at ORY...
 
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Re: Wizz Air and its love affair with London

Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:42 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
For now their main gateway to Paris remains Beauvais. Much easier to get slots and not too inconvenient if you consider there's a direct shuttle service between the airport and Porte Maillot in downtown Paris. If they ever start a base in Paris, it'll be at Beauvais.


BVA is quite limited schedule-wise. FR wanted to open a base but I think the airport closes at 10 or 11 PM.

OTOH Beauvais is extremely inconvenient when compared to CDG/ORY. That is why really nobody in Paris uses that airport. Only VFR and some lost tourist heading to Eurodisney.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:54 pm

So what are Wizz Air's realistic long-term prospects in France? What bases could they open? LYS maybe?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:46 pm

Blerg wrote:
So what are Wizz Air's realistic long-term prospects in France? What bases could they open? LYS maybe?

The question of bases is a tricky one. Why would they want to open bases in France at all? Isn't it a generally accepted idea -- you don't want to create French-domiciled jobs, until you absolutely have to do it, due to high regulatory burden and taxes?
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