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Blerg
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:22 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
Blerg wrote:
So what are Wizz Air's realistic long-term prospects in France? What bases could they open? LYS maybe?

The question of bases is a tricky one. Why would they want to open bases in France at all? Isn't it a generally accepted idea -- you don't want to create French-domiciled jobs, until you absolutely have to do it, due to high regulatory burden and taxes?


True but I thought that LYS could work as a cheaper alternative to Geneva, the catchment area is quite big and wealthy.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:32 pm

Blerg wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
Blerg wrote:
So what are Wizz Air's realistic long-term prospects in France? What bases could they open? LYS maybe?

The question of bases is a tricky one. Why would they want to open bases in France at all? Isn't it a generally accepted idea -- you don't want to create French-domiciled jobs, until you absolutely have to do it, due to high regulatory burden and taxes?


True but I thought that LYS could work as a cheaper alternative to Geneva, the catchment area is quite big and wealthy.


But Wizz would be up against easyJet, Transavia, Air France who all have a base at LYS + Volotea who keep growing LYS.

Essentially Wizz would be left flying routes to Eastern Europe - what benefit would they get in operating a base at LYS rather than operating flights from their existing bases. Pretty much none.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:50 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
The question of bases is a tricky one. Why would they want to open bases in France at all? Isn't it a generally accepted idea -- you don't want to create French-domiciled jobs, until you absolutely have to do it, due to high regulatory burden and taxes?


In addition, France doesn't have recent large Eastern European communities like UK, Germany, Scandinavia, Spain, Italy or even now Poland (Ukrainians) have. So Wizz Air's traditional market (VFR East-West) is not really well suited for France.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:06 pm

W9 have quite a few flights between UK and Norway, with flights to Oslo, Tromso and Stavanger. What sort of market is there which they are taking advantage of especially both markets can be quite expensive with all sort of associated costs.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:16 pm

London-Tromso is a winter seasonal route - all about taking people from the UK to see the Aurora Borealis / Northern Lights and let them have fun with husky rides and snowmobiles

Wizz have recently started a number of leisure based routes out of Luton which have less emphasis on migrant workers - Athens, Bergen, Castellon, Larnaca, Lisbon, Porto, Reykjavik, Tel Aviv, Thessaloniki and Vienna are examples
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:27 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
London-Tromso is a winter seasonal route - all about taking people from the UK to see the Aurora Borealis / Northern Lights and let them have fun with husky rides and snowmobiles

Wizz have recently started a number of leisure based routes out of Luton which have less emphasis on migrant workers - Athens, Bergen, Castellon, Larnaca, Lisbon, Porto, Reykjavik, Tel Aviv, Thessaloniki and Vienna are examples


Not only have they added them but shortly after many of those (ATH, LCA...) saw frequency increases.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:29 pm

runway23 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Phosphorus wrote:
The question of bases is a tricky one. Why would they want to open bases in France at all? Isn't it a generally accepted idea -- you don't want to create French-domiciled jobs, until you absolutely have to do it, due to high regulatory burden and taxes?


True but I thought that LYS could work as a cheaper alternative to Geneva, the catchment area is quite big and wealthy.


But Wizz would be up against easyJet, Transavia, Air France who all have a base at LYS + Volotea who keep growing LYS.

Essentially Wizz would be left flying routes to Eastern Europe - what benefit would they get in operating a base at LYS rather than operating flights from their existing bases. Pretty much none.


They are facing much larger and more dangerous competition in Vienna, I am sure they could take Volotea and Air France. Why would they fly from LYS to eastern Europe? Their bases in Luton and Vienna are not based on flying between those hubs and eastern Europe. I am sure future bases in western Europe won't be solely relying on eastern European routes.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:34 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Wizz have recently started a number of leisure based routes out of Luton which have less emphasis on migrant workers - Athens, Bergen, Castellon, Larnaca, Lisbon, Porto, Reykjavik, Tel Aviv, Thessaloniki and Vienna are examples


Not sure that today London-Thessaloniki is less VFR than London-Krakow. Both have big VFR communities in London, but a place like Krakow sees enormous amounts of tourists. Out of that list, ATH, LCA, LIS, OPO and SKG should have a big emphasis on migrant workers.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:41 pm

Don't forget that there is a sizable British community in Cyprus and that the island sees hundreds of thousands of British tourists every year. There are many different factors that are making them successful on this particular market.
The UK is Cyprus' fourth main export destination with $234 million right after Greece, Israel and Libya.
 
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Re: Wizz Air and its love affair with London

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:52 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
OTOH Beauvais is extremely inconvenient when compared to CDG/ORY. That is why really nobody in Paris uses that airport. Only VFR and some lost tourist heading to Eurodisney.


I think you're confusing Beauvais with Vatry here. Indeed Vatry is extremely inconvenient because of the distance to Paris (135 kilometers as the crow flies). Ryanair markets this airport as Paris Vatry / Disney, even though it's a good distance away from EuroDisney.

But Wizzair doesn't fly to Vatry. They do fly to Beauvais, which is far closer to Paris than Vatry (67 kilometers as the crow flies). And as mentioned, there is a direct shuttle service between Beauvais airport and Paris city center. The Parisians themselves might not use it very often, but I bet a lot of tourists visiting Paris do. And why not? You fly to Beauvais, get on the bus and get off in the heart of the city. Extremely convenient. Sure without that shuttle service Beauvais airport would lose it's appeal, it heavily relies on it. But as it is now I can't see the problem with Beauvais.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:07 pm

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FRA realised a few years ago that with static pax numbers while the likes of CGN were growing that they could not ignore LCCs forever. Ryanair's operation at FRA is very much on the cheap - eg aircraft park a long long way from the terminal - it's a considerably different experience compared to (for example) flying with Lufthansa


That will change quickly with FRA Terminal 3 Pier G due to open next year:
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Unlike Germany, France's economy and population is much more centred on the capital city. Does CDG have room to allow a Wizz or Ryanair base, even with all pax being bussed between aircraft and terminal ? Perhaps when terminal 2B reopens and terminal 2D has been refurbished ? Terminal 3 at CDG (ie the budget terminal) seems pretty busy - might need an extension to house a FR/W6 base


CDG still has the slots to accept additional based aircraft, it’s rather a question of the willingness of Wizz/Ryanair to establish a base there. ORY was an opportunist slot grab (something Wizz does rather well).
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:18 pm

BVA to Paris is 1h15' to Porte Maillot with no traffic. Porte Maillot is far from being the "heart of the city" for most people and/or tourists (compared to Opera - CDG bus - or Denfert-Rochereau - ORY bus -; or the RER-B to both airports). With the horrible traffic around Paris, it can be very easily a two hours bus ride from BVA to Porte Maillot plus whatever takes to most people to get to their hotel/home. So getting from the center where most tourists stay (Opera, Grands Boulevards, Marais, etc.) to ORY/CDG can be max. 1 hour but to BVA can easily get to 3 hours.

So that is the problem with BVA. Beauvais will never be a Stansted, Bergamo or Charleroi because it is so inconvenient when compared to ORY/CDG. Ryanair doesn't even bother to connect BVA with major European cities because they know that is a lost battle. For instance MAD-BVA is not even daily while MAD-STN is like 4 or 5 daily.

Another point why BVA is not attractive for Parisians is the cost. For a few years now, the monthly metro pass (Navigo) has been "dezoned". Meaning that now the standard monthly metro pass (which for an employee - as companies in Paris usually pay half of the ticket - is about 38 euros/month) has free public transportation all over the region including access to ORY/CDG. The bus to BVA is about 30-35 euros (return) to add to the ticket price compared to a much quicker and free option to the other airports.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:03 pm

I’m surprised Wizz (& even Easyjet) have never gave DUB a go. Yes they both tried other ROI airports with Ryanair running them out of there but DUB has the market compared to the ‘regional’ airports ORK, SNN & NOC, & lets be honest, Ryanair at the moment aren’t really ready for a market war.
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:57 pm

After the 2004/2005 fare war over Ireland between Easyjet and Ryanair, I imagine Wizz and Easyjet know that their launching would create a new fare war.

It's only worth launching a fare war if you think you can win, or you think your opponent will act/react rationally. I imagine that Ryanair / MOL would see deep emotional involvement with other major LCCs launching Dublin, and act utterly irrationally from a financial perspective (although perhaps rationally if they want to demonstrate their willingness to fight).

Ryanair has far greater resources than 15 years ago, and neither the Easyjet nor Wizz CEO has the force of personality / historical respect from shareholders compared to MOL that they would expect to be reappointed to the company board at the next round of voting for directors - i.e. the CEO would be effectively fired while MOL would probably survive a board directors reappointment vote in a fare war
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:28 am

EIBPI wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
FRA realised a few years ago that with static pax numbers while the likes of CGN were growing that they could not ignore LCCs forever. Ryanair's operation at FRA is very much on the cheap - eg aircraft park a long long way from the terminal - it's a considerably different experience compared to (for example) flying with Lufthansa


That will change quickly with FRA Terminal 3 Pier G due to open next year:
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Unlike Germany, France's economy and population is much more centred on the capital city. Does CDG have room to allow a Wizz or Ryanair base, even with all pax being bussed between aircraft and terminal ? Perhaps when terminal 2B reopens and terminal 2D has been refurbished ? Terminal 3 at CDG (ie the budget terminal) seems pretty busy - might need an extension to house a FR/W6 base


CDG still has the slots to accept additional based aircraft, it’s rather a question of the willingness of Wizz/Ryanair to establish a base there. ORY was an opportunist slot grab (something Wizz does rather well).


Do you know when each phase is suppose to open? Will this terminal be used by LH and its partners or by foreign carriers?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:17 am

EIBPI wrote:
Do you know when (if at all?) KUT will get a 4th/5th aircraft?

Not planned yet as far as I know.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:37 am

Blerg wrote:
EIBPI wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
FRA realised a few years ago that with static pax numbers while the likes of CGN were growing that they could not ignore LCCs forever. Ryanair's operation at FRA is very much on the cheap - eg aircraft park a long long way from the terminal - it's a considerably different experience compared to (for example) flying with Lufthansa


That will change quickly with FRA Terminal 3 Pier G due to open next year:
Image

Unlike Germany, France's economy and population is much more centred on the capital city. Does CDG have room to allow a Wizz or Ryanair base, even with all pax being bussed between aircraft and terminal ? Perhaps when terminal 2B reopens and terminal 2D has been refurbished ? Terminal 3 at CDG (ie the budget terminal) seems pretty busy - might need an extension to house a FR/W6 base


CDG still has the slots to accept additional based aircraft, it’s rather a question of the willingness of Wizz/Ryanair to establish a base there. ORY was an opportunist slot grab (something Wizz does rather well).


Do you know when each phase is suppose to open? Will this terminal be used by LH and its partners or by foreign carriers?


AFAIK LH and friends will use T1 and T2 with some refurbishments, LCC pier G, other airlines the other piers
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:41 am

EIBPI wrote:
Do you know when (if at all?) KUT will get a 4th/5th aircraft?


If I remember correctly, we might need to wait until the terminal enlargement is done before basing any more aircraft.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:48 am

LA704 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
EIBPI wrote:

That will change quickly with FRA Terminal 3 Pier G due to open next year:
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CDG still has the slots to accept additional based aircraft, it’s rather a question of the willingness of Wizz/Ryanair to establish a base there. ORY was an opportunist slot grab (something Wizz does rather well).


Do you know when each phase is suppose to open? Will this terminal be used by LH and its partners or by foreign carriers?


AFAIK LH and friends will use T1 and T2 with some refurbishments, LCC pier G, other airlines the other piers


The Z gates belong to T2, right?

T3 looks pretty big, I guess there will be more room for expansion as far as other carriers go. The situation is pretty bad now.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:24 am

A Wizz Air A320 about to operate Debrecen-Beauvais was evacuated by slides following an APU fire yesterday evening.

Plenty of hand luggage can be seen in the photos going around online.
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:27 am

YouTube video here of people walking around the ramp after the evac:
https://youtu.be/FQegSkx0DWU
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:55 am

Can anyone provide a list of destinations Wizz Air suspended in 2019 and which they plan to in 2020?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:02 pm

December 2019 traffic figures up 24.7% to more than 3,317,762 passengers, very much helped by more Christmas day flying than ever before.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:01 pm

Do you think that the whole situation in the ME will have an affect on wizz Abu Dhabi? They have already announced tech slops for there flights to DWC, maybe they might be getting second thoughts about the region?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:07 pm

Perhaps wait a week and see if the situation with the US and Iran calms down or whether tensions increase ?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News & Expansion

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:23 am

Blerg wrote:
LA704 wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Do you know when each phase is suppose to open? Will this terminal be used by LH and its partners or by foreign carriers?


AFAIK LH and friends will use T1 and T2 with some refurbishments, LCC pier G, other airlines the other piers


The Z gates belong to T2, right?

T3 looks pretty big, I guess there will be more room for expansion as far as other carriers go. The situation is pretty bad now.


Z gates belong to T1, east of A. T1 is Z->A->B->C; T2 D->E
T3 will be for 25-30mio Pax, so I guess somewhere between T1 and T2 size-wise.
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:29 am

MCTSET wrote:
Do you think that the whole situation in the ME will have an affect on wizz Abu Dhabi? They have already announced tech slops for there flights to DWC, maybe they might be getting second thoughts about the region?


Yes, many tech stops in Larnaca.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:38 pm

Wizz Air 's latest expansion will take place in Tirana Airport (TIA) in Albania. Beginning from 29 March they will fly from Tirana to Bergamo, Bologna, Pisa, Treviso and Verona. This happens as a result of Ernest Airlines' s demise, which suspended their operations between Italy to Albania and Ukraine a few days ago, with Wizz essentially taking over their flights.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:36 pm

NeperQiell wrote:
Wizz Air 's latest expansion will take place in Tirana Airport (TIA) in Albania. Beginning from 29 March they will fly from Tirana to Bergamo, Bologna, Pisa, Treviso and Verona. This happens as a result of Ernest Airlines' s demise, which suspended their operations between Italy to Albania and Ukraine a few days ago, with Wizz essentially taking over their flights.


Exactly my thought when I seen the route announcement, taking over the Ernest airlines flights.

W6 really loves to jump on these sort of opportunities, do you think they are able to take airports and other services almost as hostage, taking what they like at a very nice price and dictate on their terms.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:01 pm

All these new flights to be operated by outbase rotations (like Timisoara-Bergamo-Tirana-Bergamo-Timisoara) with no new planes deployed. So there will be a lot of schedule reshuffling, frequencies decreased elsewhere and maybe even some canceled routes to make these flights happen.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:24 pm

alm1 wrote:
All these new flights to be operated by outbase rotations (like Timisoara-Bergamo-Tirana-Bergamo-Timisoara) with no new planes deployed. So there will be a lot of schedule reshuffling, frequencies decreased elsewhere and maybe even some canceled routes to make these flights happen.


The Hungarian government is subsidizing BUD-TIA so they could use those rotations to expand from Tirana to Italy. After all I am sure those Italian destinations will be served two times per week.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:35 pm

Blerg wrote:
alm1 wrote:
All these new flights to be operated by outbase rotations (like Timisoara-Bergamo-Tirana-Bergamo-Timisoara) with no new planes deployed. So there will be a lot of schedule reshuffling, frequencies decreased elsewhere and maybe even some canceled routes to make these flights happen.


The Hungarian government is subsidizing BUD-TIA so they could use those rotations to expand from Tirana to Italy. After all I am sure those Italian destinations will be served two times per week.


Bergamo will be served daily, while the rest will be served 3-4 times weekly. BUD-TIA summer schedule is already finalized, and they most likely will not use those rotations.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:48 pm

Doesn't surprise me. It was only a matter of time before the small players on Italy-Albania were replaced by the larger airlines. I was kinda expecting EZY to do this, especially since they already started MXP-TIA. Blue Panorama/Albawings are probably on thin ice as well.


Blerg wrote:
alm1 wrote:
All these new flights to be operated by outbase rotations (like Timisoara-Bergamo-Tirana-Bergamo-Timisoara) with no new planes deployed. So there will be a lot of schedule reshuffling, frequencies decreased elsewhere and maybe even some canceled routes to make these flights happen.


The Hungarian government is subsidizing BUD-TIA so they could use those rotations to expand from Tirana to Italy. After all I am sure those Italian destinations will be served two times per week.

What does BUD-TIA have to do with TIA-Italy? Do you know anything about the Albania-Italy market?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:13 pm

TIA wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It was only a matter of time before the small players on Italy-Albania were replaced by the larger airlines. I was kinda expecting EZY to do this, especially since they already started MXP-TIA. Blue Panorama/Albawings are probably on thin ice as well.


Blerg wrote:
alm1 wrote:
All these new flights to be operated by outbase rotations (like Timisoara-Bergamo-Tirana-Bergamo-Timisoara) with no new planes deployed. So there will be a lot of schedule reshuffling, frequencies decreased elsewhere and maybe even some canceled routes to make these flights happen.


The Hungarian government is subsidizing BUD-TIA so they could use those rotations to expand from Tirana to Italy. After all I am sure those Italian destinations will be served two times per week.

What does BUD-TIA have to do with TIA-Italy? Do you know anything about the Albania-Italy market?


I think he meant that Wizz could use a BUD-based aircraft to operate some of the Italian routes. For example instead of BUD-TIA-BUD, it can operate BUD-TIA-VRN-TIA-BUD.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 15, 2020 6:21 pm

Some expansion of the VIE base will be announced on Friday. It will be interesting to see how hard they fight the rather massive Ryanair group operation this summer.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:29 pm

TIA wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It was only a matter of time before the small players on Italy-Albania were replaced by the larger airlines. I was kinda expecting EZY to do this, especially since they already started MXP-TIA. Blue Panorama/Albawings are probably on thin ice as well.


Blerg wrote:
alm1 wrote:
All these new flights to be operated by outbase rotations (like Timisoara-Bergamo-Tirana-Bergamo-Timisoara) with no new planes deployed. So there will be a lot of schedule reshuffling, frequencies decreased elsewhere and maybe even some canceled routes to make these flights happen.


The Hungarian government is subsidizing BUD-TIA so they could use those rotations to expand from Tirana to Italy. After all I am sure those Italian destinations will be served two times per week.

What does BUD-TIA have to do with TIA-Italy? Do you know anything about the Albania-Italy market?


Of course I know about it but you might want to stop, think before reply to other people's posts. I was referring that they might use the A320 from BUD to operate these flights as in BUD-TIA-Italy-TIA-BUD. W pattern operations are quite common at Wizz Air.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:29 pm

NeperQiell wrote:
TIA wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It was only a matter of time before the small players on Italy-Albania were replaced by the larger airlines. I was kinda expecting EZY to do this, especially since they already started MXP-TIA. Blue Panorama/Albawings are probably on thin ice as well.


Blerg wrote:

The Hungarian government is subsidizing BUD-TIA so they could use those rotations to expand from Tirana to Italy. After all I am sure those Italian destinations will be served two times per week.

What does BUD-TIA have to do with TIA-Italy? Do you know anything about the Albania-Italy market?


I think he meant that Wizz could use a BUD-based aircraft to operate some of the Italian routes. For example instead of BUD-TIA-BUD, it can operate BUD-TIA-VRN-TIA-BUD.


Exactly, thank you.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 15, 2020 7:31 pm

EIBPI wrote:
Some expansion of the VIE base will be announced on Friday. It will be interesting to see how hard they fight the rather massive Ryanair group operation this summer.


Interesting. Did they mentions anything about it? How many planes do they have now? Was it 7?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:13 pm

Blerg wrote:
TIA wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It was only a matter of time before the small players on Italy-Albania were replaced by the larger airlines. I was kinda expecting EZY to do this, especially since they already started MXP-TIA. Blue Panorama/Albawings are probably on thin ice as well.


Blerg wrote:

The Hungarian government is subsidizing BUD-TIA so they could use those rotations to expand from Tirana to Italy. After all I am sure those Italian destinations will be served two times per week.

What does BUD-TIA have to do with TIA-Italy? Do you know anything about the Albania-Italy market?


Of course I know about it but you might want to stop, think before reply to other people's posts. I was referring that they might use the A320 from BUD to operate these flights as in BUD-TIA-Italy-TIA-BUD. W pattern operations are quite common at Wizz Air.


Yet, anyone who knows the market or simply looked at the extent of the Ernest schedule, would know that 2 weekly wouldn't put a dent in the demand. But yes you know the market the same way you know that there are no mobile users in Kosovo.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:19 pm

BUD-TIA is already W-pattern operating the TIA-DTM-TIA.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:18 pm

TIA wrote:
Blerg wrote:
TIA wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It was only a matter of time before the small players on Italy-Albania were replaced by the larger airlines. I was kinda expecting EZY to do this, especially since they already started MXP-TIA. Blue Panorama/Albawings are probably on thin ice as well.



What does BUD-TIA have to do with TIA-Italy? Do you know anything about the Albania-Italy market?


Of course I know about it but you might want to stop, think before reply to other people's posts. I was referring that they might use the A320 from BUD to operate these flights as in BUD-TIA-Italy-TIA-BUD. W pattern operations are quite common at Wizz Air.


Yet, anyone who knows the market or simply looked at the extent of the Ernest schedule, would know that 2 weekly wouldn't put a dent in the demand. But yes you know the market the same way you know that there are no mobile users in Kosovo.



W6 have said the are conservative operation. They have looked at the market and seen the demand and would plan from there. First thing Wizz like half the aviation industry is suffering from a shortage of capacity, they simply don’t have enough aircraft to fulfil all their planned expansion right now.
Second of all W6 has said that they if they see a market that is doing well they will expand it, but start off slow and then improve, they have stated they like good yields but don’t really like to “milk the market” as this will just attract competition.

If demand was so high and capacity inline with the demand it begs the question why did Ernest go out of business then?
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:39 pm

TIA wrote:
Blerg wrote:
TIA wrote:
Doesn't surprise me. It was only a matter of time before the small players on Italy-Albania were replaced by the larger airlines. I was kinda expecting EZY to do this, especially since they already started MXP-TIA. Blue Panorama/Albawings are probably on thin ice as well.



What does BUD-TIA have to do with TIA-Italy? Do you know anything about the Albania-Italy market?


Of course I know about it but you might want to stop, think before reply to other people's posts. I was referring that they might use the A320 from BUD to operate these flights as in BUD-TIA-Italy-TIA-BUD. W pattern operations are quite common at Wizz Air.


Yet, anyone who knows the market or simply looked at the extent of the Ernest schedule, would know that 2 weekly wouldn't put a dent in the demand. But yes you know the market the same way you know that there are no mobile users in Kosovo.


And where did I imply that all route from Tirana to Italy will be operated with the BUD based plane? You are just making up arguments now. And anyway, the other poster got what I meant so it seems like the problem is with you as you obviously don't know how Wizz Air operates and how big W patterns are for them.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:12 am

MCTSET wrote:
TIA wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Of course I know about it but you might want to stop, think before reply to other people's posts. I was referring that they might use the A320 from BUD to operate these flights as in BUD-TIA-Italy-TIA-BUD. W pattern operations are quite common at Wizz Air.


Yet, anyone who knows the market or simply looked at the extent of the Ernest schedule, would know that 2 weekly wouldn't put a dent in the demand. But yes you know the market the same way you know that there are no mobile users in Kosovo.



W6 have said the are conservative operation. They have looked at the market and seen the demand and would plan from there. First thing Wizz like half the aviation industry is suffering from a shortage of capacity, they simply don’t have enough aircraft to fulfil all their planned expansion right now.
Second of all W6 has said that they if they see a market that is doing well they will expand it, but start off slow and then improve, they have stated they like good yields but don’t really like to “milk the market” as this will just attract competition.

If demand was so high and capacity inline with the demand it begs the question why did Ernest go out of business then?


It was suggested that these routes would be 2wk. And none are. Other than Rome, W6 is adding TIA from all the other Ernest cities where W6 also flies to. So not a super conservative of a start. It makes sense anything else would have invited another player.

As to why Ernest went bankrupt, you can't really compare them to W6. Perhaps if they ran a more professional business, they would still be around. Also don't forget that only around half of their capacity was to TIA. And in the past they have also tried destinations like IBZ, which have not worked out. Are you implying there is no Italy-Ibiza demand. And plus you yourself said that W6 saw the TIA-Italy demand was there or they wouldn't have added all these flights in such a rushed way amidst a capacity crunch.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:26 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Perhaps wait a week and see if the situation with the US and Iran calms down or whether tensions increase ?

I wonder if they are waiting to see where Air Arabia Abu Dhabi will launch to first? There was the initial posting of routes/timings which was since removed (https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-listing/), but maybe will wait to see where they fly to so as not to double-up?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:50 am

 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:47 pm

Wizz Air announced 4 new routes to St. Petersburg on Twitter but deleted the tweet a few hours later.
https://twitter.com/simonasbartkus/stat ... 7999409152

4 new routes are Vilnius, Bratislava, Bucharest and Sofia. This will join Luton and Budapest.

Wizz Air is benefiting from the open-skies policy in LED airport and e-visa's for EU citizens to visit St.Petersburg.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:25 pm

They have also announced there promised Vienna expansion.

https://wizzair.com/en-gb/information-a ... -49-routes
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:40 pm

MCTSET wrote:
They have also announced there promised Vienna expansion.

https://wizzair.com/en-gb/information-a ... -49-routes


Double daily to Milan and 12 weekly to Rome is pretty impressive.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:03 pm

Update of the base list:

Budapest 13 (14 from 06/20)
Bucharest 11 (12 from 06/20, 13 from 07/20)
London Luton 10
Warsaw 8 (9 from 06/20)
Katowice 6
Cluj Napoca 7
Gdansk 7 (8 from 07/20)
Vienna 7 (9 from 07/20)
Sofia 6
Skopje 5
Kyiv 4
Kutaisi 3 (4 from 07/20?, 5 from 12/20?)
Chisinau 3
Cracow 3 (4 from 07/20, 5 from 08/20)
Timisoara 3
Vilnius 3
Belgrade 2
Craiova 2
Debrecen 2
Iasi 2 (3 from 08/20)
Riga 2
Sibiu 2
Tuzla 2
Varna 2
Wroclaw 2

To be confirmed:

Abu Dhabi

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With LTN being full (passenger cap), it will be interesting how Wizz Air manages London growth in the coming months. More Southend growth?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:34 pm

EIBPI wrote:
Update of the base list:

Budapest 13 (14 from 06/20)
Bucharest 11 (12 from 06/20, 13 from 07/20)
London Luton 10
Warsaw 8 (9 from 06/20)
Katowice 6
Cluj Napoca 7
Gdansk 7 (8 from 07/20)
Vienna 7 (9 from 07/20)
Sofia 6
Skopje 5
Kyiv 4
Kutaisi 3 (4 from 07/20?, 5 from 12/20?)
Chisinau 3
Cracow 3 (4 from 07/20, 5 from 08/20)
Timisoara 3
Vilnius 3
Belgrade 2
Craiova 2
Debrecen 2
Iasi 2 (3 from 08/20)
Riga 2
Sibiu 2
Tuzla 2
Varna 2
Wroclaw 2

To be confirmed:

Abu Dhabi

--

With LTN being full (passenger cap), it will be interesting how Wizz Air manages London growth in the coming months. More Southend growth?



Most likely SEN growth depends on its performance; if its doing good then I can see them focusing growth in this market, if not then I also see them enter the lions den and begin flights from Stansted.
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