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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jun 18, 2020 1:06 pm

vandoc wrote:
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Far the worst airport in Germany operationally. Lower category (II) ILS vs. frequent low visibility in the morning (1) and hard night curfew without any exception whatsoever (2). They close the airport even of you are approaching or waiting for take off on the runway (3). Runway is too short for 321s therefore it's 320 only (4). Also the arrivals are regulated whenever a WWII bomb is being dismantled in the city (which happens quite frequently unfortunately)(5). There is a reason every other operators abandoned DTM(6). Obviously Wizz is not interested about operational viaibility only low fees.


1) Low visibility is seldom an poses no problem for the morning flights.

2) There is an exception rule in place. Delayed flights can therefore land.

3) As every other German airport with night curfew. If you are too late, no departures or landings are allowed. Same goes for DUS or even FRA.

4) The runway will be extended (LDA +300m). Dor most typical W6 321-operations, the runway is long enough.

5) Every airport in Germany closes, if a bomb has to be dismantled within the approach path or if the airport lays within a couple hundred meters of the bomb. A dismanteling within the city center has no effects and the airport will not be closed. The airport is not more often closed than other German airports. We are talking of less than one yearly event.

6) Closed bases by:
EW (old one): was bought by LH -> new strategy
AB: focus on DUS
EZY: new strategy and night curfew (since then the curfew was relaxed)
LGW: was bought by AB -> focus on DUS

4U reopened its base more than 10 years ago and will be replaced by EW.

No airline abandoned the airport for solely operational issues. Wzz operates from Dortmund since 2004 without major hicups.


Low visibility is a risk if you arrive in the morning to DTM. Several long holdings and diversions to PAD/CGN/NRN happened even this year for fog. That is why nearly all airports in the area have better (CAT III) ILS (CGN, DUS, NRN, MST, FRA, HHN etc). If that happens in the evening the based aircraft would end up in CGN for the night.
Delayed flights can land with how much delay? 30 mins? Or 60? With a three aircraft base you can encounter a lot longer delays by the end of the day. It happened twice only last year that a Wizz flight on the taxiway (literally a minute from taking off) had to return to ramp and stuck in DTM for the night as ATC closed the airpoirt exactly when the curfew started.
Not all German airports have curfew, eg. CGN, HHN, NUE, LEJ, PAD among others.
The current runway is NOT long enough for any 321 operations that's why there is not a single DTM flight scheduled to operate with a 321. In fact it's nearly too short even for a 320. Otherwise why they want to lenghten it? Even with 300 m extension it will be a shortish one.
I did not say the airport is closing for dismantling of bombs. I said that the arrivals are regulated (if it's from the direction of the city, other way the departure is regulated). It happens a lot more than once a year, I would say 8-10 times a year at least. However the airport and the authorities are trying to handle it with maximum cooperation with Wizz but aviation (understandably) is not priority one when it comes to bomb disposal therefore it's still a risk for the operation. See the point of the curfew. Now only turnaround flights (=aircraft from other bases flying in and out) are delayed (as they need to hold before landing or they can't depart as the area is closed) by from now on the based aircraft will be delayed which might cause trouble at the end of the day with the curfew.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:45 pm

Wizz have seems to have axed its Poznan - Birmingham and Vilnius - London Southend routes
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jun 18, 2020 4:37 pm

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I doubt they would allow them to enter the domestic market and to erode the yields of Russian carriers. I am certain LED will do really well for them.


Indigo Partners already had a try at the domestic Russian market that didn't go that well (Avianova).
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:22 pm

Wizz Air have been operating from DTM for a long time now. It is not like they don't know the airport.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:23 pm

EIBPI wrote:
Wizz Air have been operating from DTM for a long time now. It is not like they don't know the airport.

They know it for sure. Yet they take the risk if the price is right. It seems that operational stability won't be that important post-covid. With the latest changes they created 7 single-aircraft bases against their own princible not to have any (which was the case before the pandemic). Altogether there will be 15 bases with one or two based aircraft which means quite low level of flexibility in case of disruptions. Their on-time performance was already well (~10%) below their own target in the last 2-3 years (you can find it in their reports if you look closely as the don't advertise it).
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:35 pm

holczakker wrote:
EIBPI wrote:
Wizz Air have been operating from DTM for a long time now. It is not like they don't know the airport.

They know it for sure. Yet they take the risk if the price is right. It seems that operational stability won't be that important post-covid. With the latest changes they created 7 single-aircraft bases against their own princible not to have any (which was the case before the pandemic). Altogether there will be 15 bases with one or two based aircraft which means quite low level of flexibility in case of disruptions. Their on-time performance was already well (~10%) below their own target in the last 2-3 years (you can find it in their reports if you look closely as the don't advertise it).


Where are the 7 single aircraft bases?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:16 pm

Wroclaw, Sibiu, Debrecen, Iasi, Lviv, Craiova, Pulkovo.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:23 am

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Wroclaw, Sibiu, Debrecen, Iasi, Lviv, Craiova, Pulkovo.


Isn't Timisoara down to just one A320 now?
 
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Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:17 am

Blerg wrote:
holczakker wrote:
Wroclaw, Sibiu, Debrecen, Iasi, Lviv, Craiova, Pulkovo.


Isn't Timisoara down to just one A320 now?

TSR had 3 and will lose one.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:32 am

holczakker wrote:
Blerg wrote:
holczakker wrote:
Wroclaw, Sibiu, Debrecen, Iasi, Lviv, Craiova, Pulkovo.


Isn't Timisoara down to just one A320 now?

TSR had 3 and will lose one.


Impressive, let's see how long they last there even with two planes. Ryanair suspended almost all flights from TSR.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:09 am

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Impressive, let's see how long they last there even with two planes. Ryanair suspended almost all flights from TSR.


The difference between the two is that Wizzair has a bunch of planes on order that will be delivered shortly. The lower number of planes per base is just temporary until they receive their new aircraft, then they can upgrade the base capacity again. It shouldn't be too long.

Ryanair was counting on deliveries of the 737MAX which should have been in service by now, but we all know what's going on with that plane. Since they don't get any new planes delivered, they cannot expand. Meanwhile Wizzair can.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:42 am

Ryanair would have plenty of other ways to get aircraft if they really wanted.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:55 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
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Impressive, let's see how long they last there even with two planes. Ryanair suspended almost all flights from TSR.


The difference between the two is that Wizzair has a bunch of planes on order that will be delivered shortly. The lower number of planes per base is just temporary until they receive their new aircraft, then they can upgrade the base capacity again. It shouldn't be too long.

Ryanair was counting on deliveries of the 737MAX which should have been in service by now, but we all know what's going on with that plane. Since they don't get any new planes delivered, they cannot expand. Meanwhile Wizzair can.


But wasn't it recently reported that Wizz Air will be retiring many older A320s?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:01 am

Can Wizzair successfully expand in Germany with more bases..??..I am not talking about big FRA,MUC,DUS,BER ..I was thinking more of 4 cities where it already flies a number of routes..CGN, HAM,NUE,HAJ..
CGN is EW fortress but FR moved in although already in neighbouring NRN,DTM and it has been expanding ever since..Wizz is not one to shy away from competition,so why not? And CGN is a popular tourist destination, it's a good alternative for DUS.since.it's only 45' away, plus it's open 24/7..

HAM is one of the richest cities in Germany with considerable foreign population.(gastos,VFE,students etc) and a beautiful tourist destination.U2 used to be a good home base carrier but they say that when FR moved to HAM it displaced them from no2 to no3..

NUE has more lgacy traffic and not so much LCC .. FR has cut back considerably amidst the MAX debacle and Covid situation..London traffic is reduced only to a seasonal BA..I think W6 has a lot of potential to grow

HAJ has virtually no LCCs..EW is not a true LCC..There is Pegasus to Turkey, Vueling to BCN, a few seasonal Volotea routes and then there is Wizz..No Ryan,no easy,no Norwegian..Maybe HAJ should be one of the next bases
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:04 am

I think NUE could work really well for them and with FMM in the south they would cover all of Bavaria, both north and south of Munich and MUC. Then again, maybe we could see them in Berlin? After all they do not shy away from a fight as we've seen in Milan and Vienna.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:25 pm

Wizz Air have removed 2 routes from Cluj (CLJ):
London Gatwick (LGW)
Malaga (AGP)

Liverpool (LPL) and Billund (BLL) were previously reported to be cut
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:16 am

Any sign of BUD-AUH and OTP-AUH starting soon ... and what of the Wizz Air Abu Dhabi base opening? It has gone all quiet in the media.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:54 am

3rd based aircraft in LCA announced today with additional ATH frequencies in addition to adding Paris, Gdansk, Prague, Heraklion and Eindhoven.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:11 am

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3rd based aircraft in LCA announced today with additional ATH frequencies in addition to adding Paris, Gdansk, Prague, Heraklion and Eindhoven.


5 new Larnaca routes:
Eindhoven (EIN) - begins 1 August - 3x weekly
Prague (PRG) - 1 August - 2x weekly
Paris Beauvais (BVA) - 2 August - 4x weekly
Gdansk (GDN) - 2 August - 2x weekly
Heraklion (HER) - 3 August - 3x weekly
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 10:45 am

I am not surprised about LCA getting more capacity. Seems like the Cypriot government is desperately pushing to save the economy. The other day they announced another stimulus package worth €150 million which will be the last one as the government has enough money to last them until October. They said that many thing will depend on how fast the tourist industry recovers.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 12:58 pm

What future bases do you speculate that Wizz will probably open or do you think they are done with this expansion period. I have heard about LGW and Yerevan.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:24 pm

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What future bases do you speculate that Wizz will probably open or do you think they are done with this expansion period. I have heard about LGW and Yerevan.


From what I remember, they have around 250 aircraft on order. I am sure they will have to keep on expanding. My guess is that BVA and CRL are next or not far away. MMX is also an option, maybe even GOT.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:27 pm

Blerg wrote:
MCTSET wrote:
What future bases do you speculate that Wizz will probably open or do you think they are done with this expansion period. I have heard about LGW and Yerevan.


From what I remember, they have around 250 aircraft on order. I am sure they will have to keep on expanding. My guess is that BVA and CRL are next or not far away. MMX is also an option, maybe even GOT.


If they can get the slots, Eindhoven seems very likely as a base. They already got a good number of flights there, and a few years ago it was rumored to become a Wizzair base. On the other hand, they know what will happen if they ever want to get rid of that base. They've seen what happened when Ryanair closed their base there, that might put them off.

Not too sure about the Swedish airports. Aviation taxes in Sweden are among the highest in Europe and flight shame is a big thing in Sweden. It's difficult to seduce the Swedes with low fares, if those low fares can be offered at all. Due to this, Malmo certainly won't be a base. Copenhagen is right next door, but the Danish aviation tax is a lot lower than the Swedish one.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:49 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
VCy wrote:
3rd based aircraft in LCA announced today with additional ATH frequencies in addition to adding Paris, Gdansk, Prague, Heraklion and Eindhoven.


5 new Larnaca routes:
Eindhoven (EIN) - begins 1 August - 3x weekly
Prague (PRG) - 1 August - 2x weekly
Paris Beauvais (BVA) - 2 August - 4x weekly
Gdansk (GDN) - 2 August - 2x weekly
Heraklion (HER) - 3 August - 3x weekly


and LCA-EVN from 20 July 2w
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:16 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
VCy wrote:
3rd based aircraft in LCA announced today with additional ATH frequencies in addition to adding Paris, Gdansk, Prague, Heraklion and Eindhoven.


5 new Larnaca routes:
Eindhoven (EIN) - begins 1 August - 3x weekly
Prague (PRG) - 1 August - 2x weekly
Paris Beauvais (BVA) - 2 August - 4x weekly
Gdansk (GDN) - 2 August - 2x weekly
Heraklion (HER) - 3 August - 3x weekly


and LCA-EVN from 20 July 2w

That was announced a few months ago - before lockdown :)
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:47 pm

Wizz Air have removed more than 100 routes from its website - including from several bases including but not limited to:
- Vilnius
- Budapest
- Bucharest
- Krakow
- Warsaw Chopin
- Wroclaw
- Katowice
- Cluj
- Gdansk
- London Luton (total 7 routes cut at LTN: KSC, OHD, KUN, PLG, SKP, TAT, VNO)
- Ohrid (total 4 routes cuts at OHD: DTM, FMM, MMX, LTN)
- Skopje (total 15 route routes cut at SKP: CPH, TKU, SXF, FDH, FKB, NUE, BUD, CIA, TSF, EIN, BTS, BCN, GOT, VXO, LTN)
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:47 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Wizz Air have removed more than 100 routes from its website from 20 May 2020 - including from several bases including but not limited to:
- Vilnius
- Budapest
- Bucharest
- Krakow
- Warsaw Chopin
- Wroclaw
- Katowice
- Cluj
- Gdansk
- London Luton (total 7 routes cut at LTN: (KSC, OHD, KUN, PLG, SKP, TAT, VNO)



Bristol (United Kingdom) and Nur Sultan (Kazakhstan) look to have been removed from Wizz Air's network
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:55 pm

Not sure all the routes mentioned are ending - the Wizz website seems to show that some of them are suspended for summer 2020 but resume either in October 2020 or March 2021
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jun 26, 2020 12:09 am

SeanM1997 wrote:
Wizz Air have removed more than 100 routes from its website - including from several bases including but not limited to:
- Vilnius
- Budapest
- Bucharest
- Krakow
- Warsaw Chopin
- Wroclaw
- Katowice
- Cluj
- Gdansk
- London Luton (total 7 routes cut at LTN: KSC, OHD, KUN, PLG, SKP, TAT, VNO)
- Ohrid (total 4 routes cuts at OHD: DTM, FMM, MMX, LTN)
- Skopje (total 15 route routes cut at SKP: CPH, TKU, SXF, FDH, FKB, NUE, BUD, CIA, TSF, EIN, BTS, BCN, GOT, VXO, LTN)


Wow, did I read that correctly? So Wizz won’t be offering any London to Lithuania flights?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:56 am

SKP-VXO is still in the system so it doesn't seem to be going anywhere. SKP will lost 11 destinations (SXF will be resumed in winter 2020) but that would mean they will lose more than the one A320 they announced would be leaving? They have really decimated their network there.

As for Ohrid, I have a feeling their recent expansion in TIA killed these routes.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:55 am

Wizz Air 16 new routes today:

Bucharest (OTP) - 8 routes: - all seasonal:
Bergen (BGO) - begins 8 August 2020 - 2x weekly
Cagliari (CAG) - begins 13 August 2020 - 2x weekly
Copenhagen (CPH) - begins 10 August 2020 - 3x weekly
Hamburg (HAM) - begins 9 August 2020 - 4x weekly
Karlsruhe (FKB) - begins 10 August 2020 - 3x weekly
Memmingen (FMM) - begins 8 August 2020 - 2x weekly
Mykonos (JMK) - begins 11 August 2020 - 2x weekly
Santorini (JSI) - begins 9 August 2020 - 2x weekly

Varna (VAR) - 8 routes + 1 based A320
Athens (ATH) - begins 24 July 2020 - 3x weekly
Barcelona (BCN) - begins 26 July 2020 - 2x weekly
Charleroi (CRL) - begins 25 July 2020 - 3x weekly
Hahn (HHN) - begins 24 July 2020 - 2x weekly
Hanover (HAJ) - begins 26 July 2020 - 2x weekly
Karlsruhe (FKB) - begins 26 July 2020 - 2x weekly
Nuremburg (NUE) - begins 25 July 2020 - 2x weekly
Salzburg (SZG) - begins 26 July 2020 - 2x weekly

Wizz Air will add Cagliari and Mykonos to its network
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:34 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
SeanM1997 wrote:
Wizz Air have removed more than 100 routes from its website from 20 May 2020 - including from several bases including but not limited to:
- Vilnius
- Budapest
- Bucharest
- Krakow
- Warsaw Chopin
- Wroclaw
- Katowice
- Cluj
- Gdansk
- London Luton (total 7 routes cut at LTN: (KSC, OHD, KUN, PLG, SKP, TAT, VNO)



Bristol (United Kingdom) and Nur Sultan (Kazakhstan) look to have been removed from Wizz Air's network


A lot of U.K. routes you tweeted were ending are now bookable again including Bristol-Katowice.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:50 pm

The quality of Wizz IT and scheduling is below industry average to put it very very mildly. Ryanair even announced rescue fares before they realized that the disappearance of several routes (and the notification of a lot of passengers about changes of their flights) is 'only' a system fault at Wizz Air. Obviously they are trying to play it down and announced that these are merely changes 'dictated by the covid-related restrictions'. What restrictions for July, August and beyond?? And why was the process botched?
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:34 pm

During a cabinet meeting held today by the Prime Minister of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Wizz Air Abu Dhabi has been endorsed and given the status of 'National Carrier' in the UAE.

Link/source: https://gulfnews.com/uae/government/wiz ... 1.72298431
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 29, 2020 5:44 pm

After Wizz Air announced Larnaca to Eindhoven and Gdansk, Ryanair has responded by introducing their own EIN and GDN flights from PFO.

Both FR and W6 will start these flights on the same day.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/06/29/ryan ... nd-poland/
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:57 pm

Blerg wrote:
After Wizz Air announced Larnaca to Eindhoven and Gdansk, Ryanair has responded by introducing their own EIN and GDN flights from PFO.

Both FR and W6 will start these flights on the same day.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/06/29/ryan ... nd-poland/


Not entirely on the same day, but nearly. Wizzair starts Eindhoven - Larnaca on Ausust 1st, Ryanair starts Eindhoven - Paphos on August 3rd.

Looks like they're expecting a lot of Dutch people to go on holiday to Cyprus this year. So far there were only two airlines flying from the Netherlands to Cyprus, Transavia from Amsterdam to Larnaca and Paphos and TUI Netherlands from Amsterdam to Paphos. No airline flew from Eindhoven before. Now this has been increased from 2 to 4 airlines, of which half of them fly from Eindhoven. That'll put pressure on the prices.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:46 am

PatrickZ80 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
After Wizz Air announced Larnaca to Eindhoven and Gdansk, Ryanair has responded by introducing their own EIN and GDN flights from PFO.

Both FR and W6 will start these flights on the same day.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/06/29/ryan ... nd-poland/


Not entirely on the same day, but nearly. Wizzair starts Eindhoven - Larnaca on Ausust 1st, Ryanair starts Eindhoven - Paphos on August 3rd.

Looks like they're expecting a lot of Dutch people to go on holiday to Cyprus this year. So far there were only two airlines flying from the Netherlands to Cyprus, Transavia from Amsterdam to Larnaca and Paphos and TUI Netherlands from Amsterdam to Paphos. No airline flew from Eindhoven before. Now this has been increased from 2 to 4 airlines, of which half of them fly from Eindhoven. That'll put pressure on the prices.


Actually ages ago, during one summer season, Cyprus Airways (or maybe it was Eurocypria) operated LCA-EIN but as charters, not scheduled flights. Don't forget that FR isn't launching these flights because they expect demand to boom but rather because they don't want to hand over this market to W6. Ryanair is in a worse position in Cyprus because LCA has a much better geographical location than PFO. Until now they didn't care because LCA wasn't that cheap. However seems like now they slashed their charges for W6.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:53 am

xwb777 wrote:
During a cabinet meeting held today by the Prime Minister of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammad Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Wizz Air Abu Dhabi has been endorsed and given the status of 'National Carrier' in the UAE.

Link/source: https://gulfnews.com/uae/government/wiz ... 1.72298431

Progress ... slowly ... guess there will be some route announcements for the AUH base coming soon then.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:50 pm

Wizz are starting routes from Kiev and Lviv to Pardubice in the Czech Republic. I'm guessing that PED is considerably cheaper than PRG in terms of fees, which might explain Wizz's choice, but it still seems a bit of a surprise for route choice. The only thing I can guess is to make life difficult for SkyUp who fly Kiev-Pardubice, but it all seems a bit strange to focus on such a route
Anyone know what's behind this ?
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:42 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Wizz are starting routes from Kiev and Lviv to Pardubice in the Czech Republic. I'm guessing that PED is considerably cheaper than PRG in terms of fees, which might explain Wizz's choice, but it still seems a bit of a surprise for route choice. The only thing I can guess is to make life difficult for SkyUp who fly Kiev-Pardubice, but it all seems a bit strange to focus on such a route
Anyone know what's behind this ?


It's due to a traffic rights issue: As far as I know only Ukrainian & Czech airlines are allowed to fly between Kiev and Prague. Therefore, W6 had to apply for flights to/from Pardubice to circumvent this limitation.
 
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Re: Wizz Air News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:40 pm

Anyone want to bet what the next Wizz Air base will be?

I’m watching loads at one Wizz Air. Some flights going out 95+% full (to places that appear to have managed COVID), other flights going out with barely to handful of passengers.
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:07 am

EIBPI wrote:
Anyone want to bet what the next Wizz Air base will be?

I’m watching loads at one Wizz Air. Some flights going out 95+% full (to places that appear to have managed COVID), other flights going out with barely to handful of passengers.


I guess AUH will be their new base. They expanded quite a bit in recent times and they have shifted (for the first time) a lot of capacity from the east to west. I think only their Belgrade base in the east grew (2 to 3 aircraft).

I always thought SKG would make an interesting base for them. I guess Fraport isn't willing to cooperate with them especially after what happened in Frankfurt.
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:00 pm

Varna is also up from 2 to 3.
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:01 pm

Kutaisi base will be closed for the next 9 months.
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:15 pm

If Wizz return to Georgia, will it be to Kutaisi or instead to Tbilisi ?
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:31 pm

Can’t see why they wouldn’t go back to Kutasai when things improve.
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:06 pm

albertocsc wrote:
Kutaisi base will be closed for the next 9 months.


So this a temporary measure, and they should reopen the base in the future?
 
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Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:16 pm

There is little that is permanent in today's airline business, but I cannot see why they would not return once Covid has calmed down the local subsidies are still available.
 
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Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:46 am

EIBPI wrote:
There is little that is permanent in today's airline business, but I cannot see why they would not return once Covid has calmed down the local subsidies are still available.


Georgia is not the richest country and we don't know if they can afford Wizz Air subsidies. Also, it doesn't help Georgia is far away and sectors are quite long meaning operational costs are higher as well. We might see KUT back but operated from other bases.
 
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Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:00 am

I always thought this Georgia thing was a bit crazy. It was just a sign of the times when carriers needed to find "new markets" to keep expanding.

COVID will undoubtedly hit Georgia more than other EU countries.

Now the Schengen space works more as a block meaning that moving within Schengen (even during COVID peak) was relatively easy. Georgia is not EU so their own rules. It is Schengen / EU VS non Schengen / EU.

Georgia was in part attractive because was cheap and (to a point) not crowded. Now even the beaches in Spain or Greece are cheap and not crowded. So there is no point for Georgia.

Finally, Georgia is very far away from Europe. If you are German and you get stuck in Italy or Spain in a new wave of COVID, on top of flights (read above, Schengen), you can find your way by car, train or bus one way or another even if it takes 24 hours on a bus and might not be the nicest experience... but you can manage it. But how do you manage to come back from Georgia to Germany if the EU decides to close borders with that country and flights stop? It is literally impossible.

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