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UNITED airlines @ Schiphol

Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:54 pm

SCHIPHOL - United Airlines will double the number of flights between Schiphol and New York Newark next summer season. Instead of once, the airline flies twice a day on the route from 28 March.

For the extra daily flight, United uses a Boeing 767-300ER, with room for 30 passengers in the new Polaris Business Class cab and 184 in Economy Class.

The Netherlands is an important foreign market for American society, which also flies from Schiphol to Chicago, Houston, Washington D.C. and San Francisco.


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Why is United Airlines so big at Schiphol. The 5 long haul routes from a non-Star Alliance hup seems a lot. Some feeding might be there from other Star Alliance, but still. O&D traffic can't be so much, now can it? Given that most passengers at Schiphol are connecting to another flight, this seems odd to me. Of the total number of passengers at Schiphol, about 40% are transfer passengers, but we have to account for LCC short-haul flights, So the percentage of long-haul transfer passengers should be (much) greater than 40%.
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:04 pm

A big benefit UA has is their hubs align with the major population and business hubs in the US. Outside of NYC and LA wheee everyone has a good share, they have hubs in Chicago, Houston, the Bay Area and DC, basically hitting huge business and pop hubs.

This allows them to have greater O&D pool to pull from.

Of course it also limits their connecting abilities, increases ground costs and impedes operations.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:13 pm

AMS is an oil market. It's a tax-advantageous business headquarters market. Those corporate traveler's are United's bread and butter. United's not adding the highis-Y new-config 788s to AMS – it's telling they're adding the high-J new-config 763s.
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:24 pm

Every route flown by UA to AMS makes sense:

NYC is a huge financial center and generates tourist traffic
IAD is the US governmental center and it provides a link to the Hague.
ORD is the largest hub with best connectivity
IAH is an oil center and connects two huge oil markets
SFO is large West Coast hub that provides seasonal boost and generates tourist traffic
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:35 pm

Off topic but with such a big presence at AMS does UA outsource their check-in staff/ground staff at AMS or they are directly employed by UA?
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:42 pm

I wonder if DEN will ever be added. I’m surprised DEN doesn’t have an AMS flight on either UA or KL considering the energy ties, unless that isn’t as important as before?
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:00 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
I wonder if DEN will ever be added. I’m surprised DEN doesn’t have an AMS flight on either UA or KL considering the energy ties, unless that isn’t as important as before?


Well look at the connectivity options and what DEN is for UA. DEN is reachable from every US hub from AMS; DEN is also a connecting flow-through point for UA. DEN-FRA/NRT/LHR work due to connection opportunities on both ends; DEN-AMS would be tough to stand on its own.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:04 pm

Surprising United is much stronger at AMS than CDG
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:10 pm

This is hardly a “big” presence.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:15 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
This is hardly a “big” presence.


Uh oh, calm down there buddy, sorry that scissor-hub operations aren't 'de rigeur' as they used to be... :roll:
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:18 pm

RetiredNWA wrote:
This is hardly a “big” presence.

Intercontinental LHR is the only non-Star hub with more UA service. Seems big to me.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:42 pm

Judge1310 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
I wonder if DEN will ever be added. I’m surprised DEN doesn’t have an AMS flight on either UA or KL considering the energy ties, unless that isn’t as important as before?


Well look at the connectivity options and what DEN is for UA. DEN is reachable from every US hub from AMS; DEN is also a connecting flow-through point for UA. DEN-FRA/NRT/LHR work due to connection opportunities on both ends; DEN-AMS would be tough to stand on its own.


I would think KL would do DEN-AMS before UA, to give SkyTeam a Euro flight in DEN. However, I don't think they have a slot or a plane to do so.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:45 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Off topic but with such a big presence at AMS does UA outsource their check-in staff/ground staff at AMS or they are directly employed by UA?

Check-in/boarding/bagage is currently being done by Aviapartner, I believe they're switching to Swissport later this year, I'm not not sure however. They have an office at the airport for reservations and probably with a station manager and a few people to oversee the daily operations.
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:46 pm

Do we know flight times yet for the extra EWR?
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:50 pm

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Do we know flight times yet for the extra EWR?


According to united.com
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:13 pm

I don't know if I would call 5 daily flights a day a lot. Spread out among UA's hubs, its really not that many especially when you consider the size and market of Amsterdam.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:15 pm

Jetty wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:
This is hardly a “big” presence.

Intercontinental LHR is the only non-Star hub with more UA service. Seems big to me.


Disagree 5 daily flights into a city the size and depth of AMS is really not a lot.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:30 pm

jumbojet wrote:
Jetty wrote:
RetiredNWA wrote:
This is hardly a “big” presence.

Intercontinental LHR is the only non-Star hub with more UA service. Seems big to me.


Disagree 5 daily flights into a city the size and depth of AMS is really not a lot.


Aside from London, are there any other examples of the US3 operating 5 daily flights into a non hub European airport? If not, by perspective, that would make UA’s operations at AMS large (as much as that pains you)

I can only think of AA into CDG.
 
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:45 pm

LHUSA wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
Jetty wrote:
Intercontinental LHR is the only non-Star hub with more UA service. Seems big to me.


Disagree 5 daily flights into a city the size and depth of AMS is really not a lot.


Aside from London, are there any other examples of the US3 operating 5 daily flights into a non hub European airport? If not, by perspective, that would make UA’s operations at AMS large (as much as that pains you)

I can only think of AA into CDG.


6 daily flights actually into AMS during the summer...
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Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:59 pm

A while back, there was a WSJ article about where jobs will go, if the UK does follow through on Brexit, particularly in the financial services sector. Frankfurt has some restrictive zoning laws that makes the building of the huge trading rooms common with banks and brokerage houses all but impossible.

Paris would be a non-starter, because of the French labor laws. My wife will tell you that when workers at her company's Paris office hit their weekly limit, they pack up and leave. They don't even change the voice mail, to say who is covering for them, until Monday morning.

The article concluded that Amsterdam would be the best city to take on jobs from the UK. There is ample space in and around the city to build out offices and trading rooms. AMS has flights to most of the world's financial centers. The labor laws, for the most part, are in line with the UK's labor laws.

Certainly, that article had some logic. It seems to me that UA starting to expand its presence at AMS makes sense. If jobs do start to shift from the UK to Amsterdam, AA should also start adding flights from MIA, DFW, CLT, PHL, JFK, and/or ORD.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:06 am

RetiredNWA wrote:
This is hardly a “big” presence.


Get real. This is a huge UA presence in a major Skyteam hub.

If you want a comparison look at the presence of AA and DL in FRA and MUC.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:09 am

Outside LHR and JV hub stations, the largest operations are:

AA and CDG - 4 daily flights year round and 7 flights in summer
DFW: Daily (2x daily in summer)
MIA: Daily
JFK: Daily
PHL: Daily
ORD: Seasonal in Summer
CLT: Seasonal in Summer

UA and AMS - 5 flights daily year round and 6 flights a day in summber
EWR: 2x Daily
ORD: Daily
IAD: Daily
IAH: Daily
SFO: Seasonal in summer

DL and FRA - 3 daily flights year round
ATL: Daily
JFK: Daily
DTW: Daily

So when put in perspective, it is relatively big.
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:11 am

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LAXdude1023 wrote:
Outside LHR and JV hub stations, the largest operations are:

AA and CDG - 4 daily flights year round and 7 flights in summer
DFW: Daily (2x daily in summer)
MIA: Daily
JFK: Daily
PHL: Daily
ORD: Seasonal in Summer
CLT: Seasonal in Summer

UA and AMS - 5 flights daily year round and 6 flights a day in summber
EWR: 2x Daily
ORD: Daily
IAD: Daily
IAH: Daily
SFO: Seasonal in summer

DL and FRA - 3 daily flights year round
ATL: Daily
JFK: Daily
DTW: Daily

So when put in perspective, it is relatively big.


I suppose you could add UA to that list with 4 daily year round to CDG - ORD, IAD, EWR, SFO
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:15 am

LHUSA wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Outside LHR and JV hub stations, the largest operations are:

AA and CDG - 4 daily flights year round and 7 flights in summer
DFW: Daily (2x daily in summer)
MIA: Daily
JFK: Daily
PHL: Daily
ORD: Seasonal in Summer
CLT: Seasonal in Summer

UA and AMS - 5 flights daily year round and 6 flights a day in summber
EWR: 2x Daily
ORD: Daily
IAD: Daily
IAH: Daily
SFO: Seasonal in summer

DL and FRA - 3 daily flights year round
ATL: Daily
JFK: Daily
DTW: Daily

So when put in perspective, it is relatively big.


I suppose you could add UA to that list with 4 daily year round to CDG - ORD, IAD, EWR, SFO


CDG isnt UA's largest though, AMS is. I was only looking at the largest per airline though I didnt specify in my last post.
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:41 am

The other thing that is different is that UA doesn’t have one giant network hub that dominates all others, like DL in ATL and AA in DFW.

Wherever they possibly can, DL/AA pushes as much connecting traffic as possible through ATL/DFW... even for international routes where the geography may not be the best. Since UA does not have the one super hub, they have to “spread the wealth” a bit more and offer more of these flights from more locations.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:01 am

Maybe because once upon a time Continental Airlines was an Sky Team airline and its routes to/from AMS were still profitable with P2P traffic?
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:04 am

While it’s true that DFW and ATL are monster hubs, United’s international flights out of SFO and EWR are down right impressive. I’ve always wondered how many peak day departures NW had out of AMS at its peak. Although that’s off topic.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:12 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Outside LHR and JV hub stations, the largest operations are:

AA and CDG - 4 daily flights year round and 7 flights in summer
DFW: Daily (2x daily in summer)
MIA: Daily
JFK: Daily
PHL: Daily
ORD: Seasonal in Summer
CLT: Seasonal in Summer

UA and AMS - 5 flights daily year round and 6 flights a day in summber
EWR: 2x Daily
ORD: Daily
IAD: Daily
IAH: Daily
SFO: Seasonal in summer

DL and FRA - 3 daily flights year round
ATL: Daily
JFK: Daily
DTW: Daily

So when put in perspective, it is relatively big.


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Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:17 am

Where did the extra AMS slot come from?
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:38 am

I've always found it interesting how big UA always was in AMS, considering that L-AA did not serve AMS at all, and it was the weakest transatlantic route for L-US.
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:46 am

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Where did the extra AMS slot come from?

Applied and got it probably. AMS slots aren't tradable, but a few ones open up every season. 9W and WW left i.e.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:00 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Outside LHR and JV hub stations, the largest operations are:

AA and CDG - 4 daily flights year round and 7 flights in summer
DFW: Daily (2x daily in summer)
MIA: Daily
JFK: Daily
PHL: Daily
ORD: Seasonal in Summer
CLT: Seasonal in Summer

UA and AMS - 5 flights daily year round and 6 flights a day in summber
EWR: 2x Daily
ORD: Daily
IAD: Daily
IAH: Daily
SFO: Seasonal in summer

DL and FRA - 3 daily flights year round
ATL: Daily
JFK: Daily
DTW: Daily

So when put in perspective, it is relatively big.


If you look at little wider than Europe and look at non JV hubs worldwide and add in city size it gets even more interesting. I believe these will be the biggest non-JV/alliance partner stations for the US3.

Next summers ops...
HND DL 7 daily flights Tokyo Metro population 37.8 million
CDG AA 7 daily flights Paris Metro population 12.5 million
AMS UA 6 daily flights Amsterdam Metro population 2.4 million

UA is pulling way above its weight at AMS.
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:28 am

I see it as extremely impressive. That UA does so well in a market with a strong national carrier, with which they do not have any type of partnership sans maybe some interlining. The amount of capacity they manage to send is remarkable.


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Fri Aug 23, 2019 5:20 am

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I see it as extremely impressive. That UA does so well in a market with a strong national carrier, with which they do not have any type of partnership sans maybe some interlining. The amount of capacity they manage to send is remarkable.


I agree it is remarkable, UA will be increasing both PVG and AMS to six WB flights from Continental US next year.

AMS is a big business destination from the US. Glad to see UA returning its roots and focusing on business travelers' needs. And not at the expense of leisure travelers. Always felt that the merged UA under Smisek was confused as to how to service their different passengers' needs and ended up not servicing anyone well..
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:47 am

I once counted all the star-alliance flights to AMS. It has 50+ STAR flights a day, it's a mini hub in it's own regard.
With a future A-terminal & Pier I wouldn't be surprised if a star-lounge will be part of the plans. Some ittinararies are even through AMS on star. For example to Poland, Croatia, Greece.

I counted this in the summer of last year, but it gives a good inidcation

Adria - Ljubjana (6x week)
Aegean - Athene (7x Week)
Air Canada - Toronto (7x Week)
Austrian Airlines - Wenen (27x week)
Croatian Airlines - Zagreb (9x week)
Egypt Air - Caïro (7x Week)
Eva Air - Bangkok/Taipei (7x Week)
LOT - Warschau (28x week)
Lufthansa - Frankfurt , München (79x week)
SAS - Oslo, Stockholm, Kopenhagen (59x week)
Singapore Airlines - Singapore (7x week)
Swiss - Zürich (28x week)
TAP - Lissabon, Porto (28x week)
Turkish Airlines - Istanbul (Ataturk/Sabiha Gokcen) (35x week)
United Airlines - Chicago, Houston, Newark, San Francisco, Washington (35x week +7x 2nd daily EWR)
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:57 am

There is another point to make = Airport size and amount of O&D traffic.

People underestimate the total volume of passengers at AMS and PARTICULARLY the size of its O&D traffic compared to FRA.

2018 airport data:

- LHR 80,1 Million pax = O&D 70% + transfer 30% = 24 Million transfer
- CDG 72,2 Million pax = O&D 79.3% + transfer 21.7% = 11.4 Million transfer (transfer % Aeroport de Paris for ORY+CDG)
- AMS 71 million pax = O&D 63.6% + transfer 36.4% = 26 Million transfer
- FRA 69,5 Million pax = O&D 45% + transfer 55% = 38.2 Million transfer
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:07 am

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- CDG 72,2 Million pax = O&D 79.3% + transfer 21.7% = 11.4 Million transfer


These figures are simply wrong. 21.7% transfer is for CDG+ORY, not for CDG only, see https://www.parisaeroport.fr/docs/defau ... c9f8f4bd_2.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:30 am

I think the Netherlands in itself as a major European trade hub and one of US's major trade partners in Europe creates a huge market for transatlantic business related traffic. Als keep in mind that the Randstad in itself can be considered a metropolis with almost eight million people.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:31 am

I wish UA operated more flights at the Star Alliance hub and home of SN just a bit South of AMS: BRU. Especially a US West Coast connection would be well indicated.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:44 am

FlyRow wrote:
I once counted all the star-alliance flights to AMS. It has 50+ STAR flights a day, it's a mini hub in it's own regard.
With a future A-terminal & Pier I wouldn't be surprised if a star-lounge will be part of the plans. Some ittinararies are even through AMS on star. For example to Poland, Croatia, Greece.

I counted this in the summer of last year, but it gives a good inidcation

Adria - Ljubjana (6x week)
Aegean - Athene (7x Week)
Air Canada - Toronto (7x Week)
Austrian Airlines - Wenen (27x week)
Croatian Airlines - Zagreb (9x week)
Egypt Air - Caïro (7x Week)
Eva Air - Bangkok/Taipei (7x Week)
LOT - Warschau (28x week)
Lufthansa - Frankfurt , München (79x week)
SAS - Oslo, Stockholm, Kopenhagen (59x week)
Singapore Airlines - Singapore (7x week)
Swiss - Zürich (28x week)
TAP - Lissabon, Porto (28x week)
Turkish Airlines - Istanbul (Ataturk/Sabiha Gokcen) (35x week)
United Airlines - Chicago, Houston, Newark, San Francisco, Washington (35x week +7x 2nd daily EWR)

There is a *A lounge at Ams. Opened March this year.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:52 am

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I think the Netherlands in itself as a major European trade hub and one of US's major trade partners in Europe creates a huge market for transatlantic business related traffic. Als keep in mind that the Randstad in itself can be considered a metropolis with almost eight million people.


Exactly. People only count AMS and their very close surounding but every city in The Netherlands is max 2.5 hours drive from Schiphol. That’s about 17 million people.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:24 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Every route flown by UA to AMS makes sense:

NYC is a huge financial center and generates tourist traffic
IAD is the US governmental center and it provides a link to the Hague.
ORD is the largest hub with best connectivity
IAH is an oil center and connects two huge oil markets
SFO is large West Coast hub that provides seasonal boost and generates tourist traffic


More surprising about that origin list is that KL/DL serves every city xxx-AMS. But, we should be happy for competition from UA rather than expecting the ATI'd JV of DL/KL to carry (nearly) everything nonstop USA-AMS.
 
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:11 am

hooverman wrote:
Louis2 wrote:
I think the Netherlands in itself as a major European trade hub and one of US's major trade partners in Europe creates a huge market for transatlantic business related traffic. Als keep in mind that the Randstad in itself can be considered a metropolis with almost eight million people.


Exactly. People only count AMS and their very close surounding but every city in The Netherlands is max 2.5 hours drive from Schiphol. That’s about 17 million people.


Also, people in the Benelux area have a good number of airports to chose from and do so based on price with DUS, AMS, BRU, etc. and do pick and choose when traveling.

While UA does have 3x daily BRU service with a ton of seats (all 2x 772 + 78J) with some connections in BRU, it's telling about their business that UA didn't add a 4th BRU rather a 6th AMS with no connections at AMS. UA must have some good AMS corporate clients.
 
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fun2fly wrote:
hooverman wrote:
Louis2 wrote:
I think the Netherlands in itself as a major European trade hub and one of US's major trade partners in Europe creates a huge market for transatlantic business related traffic. Als keep in mind that the Randstad in itself can be considered a metropolis with almost eight million people.


Exactly. People only count AMS and their very close surounding but every city in The Netherlands is max 2.5 hours drive from Schiphol. That’s about 17 million people.


Also, people in the Benelux area have a good number of airports to chose from and do so based on price with DUS, AMS, BRU, etc. and do pick and choose when traveling.

While UA does have 3x daily BRU service with a ton of seats (all 2x 772 + 78J) with some connections in BRU, it's telling about their business that UA didn't add a 4th BRU rather a 6th AMS with no connections at AMS. UA must have some good AMS corporate clients.


They do offer connections. They prefer funneling via own hubs, but you can connect via Star in AMS to.
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Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:29 pm

FlyRow wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
hooverman wrote:

Exactly. People only count AMS and their very close surounding but every city in The Netherlands is max 2.5 hours drive from Schiphol. That’s about 17 million people.


Also, people in the Benelux area have a good number of airports to chose from and do so based on price with DUS, AMS, BRU, etc. and do pick and choose when traveling.

While UA does have 3x daily BRU service with a ton of seats (all 2x 772 + 78J) with some connections in BRU, it's telling about their business that UA didn't add a 4th BRU rather a 6th AMS with no connections at AMS. UA must have some good AMS corporate clients.


They do offer connections. They prefer funneling via own hubs, but you can connect via Star in AMS to.


You can force united.com to connect you via AMS but the connection times are not all that convenient. Most of the flights Star has out of AMS are to places that already have non-stop service from EWR ect. They do sell a few connections but UAs flights are predominately O&D.
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Re: UNITED airlines @ Schiphol

Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:32 pm

Nice to see UA expand at one of my favorite airports where I used to work. They apparently are doing well there. I went to LHR last month and was surprised to see the Star Alliance presence there being so big. The terminal they use there is pretty big. I would have never thought their presence to be so big on BA's home turf and their One World big hub operation. Impressive.

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Re: UNITED airlines @ Schiphol

Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:54 pm

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You can force united.com to connect you via AMS but the connection times are not all that convenient. Most of the flights Star has out of AMS are to places that already have non-stop service from EWR ect. They do sell a few connections but UAs flights are predominately O&D.

I'm not sure about the united.com, but flight search websites such as Google Flights regularly show a connection at AMS as the best US-Europe Star alliance option. IAH-ARN has the best connection time at AMS i.e. and isn't available non-stop: https://www.google.com/flights?lite=0&h ... 1;t:f;tt:o

When pier A is ready a connection at AMS might be the most convenient as well: short walking times and no security check as at most European Star hubs.
 
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Re: UNITED airlines @ Schiphol

Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:08 pm

A388 wrote:
Nice to see UA expand at one of my favorite airports where I used to work. They apparently are doing well there. I went to LHR last month and was surprised to see the Star Alliance presence there being so big. The terminal they use there is pretty big. I would have never thought their presence to be so big on BA's home turf and their One World big hub operation. Impressive.

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LHR is a bit of a special case, but the Star presence there is indeed impressive. A useless piece of trivia for you is that VS-DL and UA-AC have the same number of daily TATL flights from LHR (28 a piece). I haven't run the numbers but would guess that total seats is higher on VS-DL but the Star carriers' capacity is still very impressive without a partner on one end of the route.

Virgin Atlantic

ATL
BOS X2
EWR
IAD
JFK X6
LAS
LAX X2
MIA
SEA
SFO X2

= 18 daily flights

United

DEN
EWR X5
IAD X3
IAH X2
LAX
ORD X3
SFO X2

= 17 daily flights

Delta

ATL X2
BOS
DTW X2
JFK X2
MSP
PDX
SLC

= 10 daily flights

Air Canada

YHZ
YOW
YUL
YVR X2
YYC
YYT
YYZ X4

= 11 daily flights
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Re: UNITED airlines @ Schiphol

Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:22 pm

LHUSA wrote:
jumbojet wrote:
Jetty wrote:
Intercontinental LHR is the only non-Star hub with more UA service. Seems big to me.


Disagree 5 daily flights into a city the size and depth of AMS is really not a lot.


Aside from London, are there any other examples of the US3 operating 5 daily flights into a non hub European airport? If not, by perspective, that would make UA’s operations at AMS large (as much as that pains you)

I can only think of AA into CDG.


If summer seasonal flights count, then AA has 5 daily flights to FCO. 1 each from DFW, ORD, PHL, JFK, and CLT.
 
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Re: UNITED airlines @ Schiphol

Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:01 pm

Amsterdam has a very convenient train connection to all major cities in the Netherlands. It is far easier for business travel trough Schiphol than Brussel or Düsseldorf. Both have a railway station, but Schiphol is king.

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