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Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 7:19 pm
by IAmGaroott
Let's take an updated look at AS, shall we?

For starters, how are they liking the Airbus fleet? I know most of the leases expire around 2025 and the order for 30 A320neos are still on the books. Last I heard, they still plan on going back to being "Proudly All Boeing" but with recent events, is there a future for Airbus with them? I also heard rumors AA was interested in some of their A319s.

Will they order additional MAX 9s or consider smaller versions of the MAX?

Since E2 jets are technically Boeing now, do they stand a chance at an order to replace the -700?

Lastly, is a retirement plan set for their older NGs? Their -700s and (non ER) -900s are at or approaching 20 years.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:39 pm
by jplatts
IAmGaroott wrote:
For starters, how are they liking the Airbus fleet? I know most of the leases expire around 2025 and the order for 30 A320neos are still on the books. Last I heard, they still plan on going back to being "Proudly All Boeing" but with recent events, is there a future for Airbus with them? I also heard rumors AA was interested in some of their A319s.


AS is likely to take delivery of some A320neo's as AS's 737 MAX deliveries have been delayed by the 737 MAX grounding, but I could see AS getting rid of its Airbus planes once AS has enough Boeing planes in its fleet and once the 737 MAX safety issues have been properly addressed.

There are also some more nonstop routes such as SEA-CVG, SEA-CLE, SEA-BDL, SEA-ORF, PDX-CLE, PDX-CMH, PDX-FLL, PDX-IND, PDX-BNA, PDX-MSY, PDX-PIT, PDX-RDU, PDX-TPA, and PDX-IAD that could be added by AS once AS takes delivery of additional A320neo or 737 MAX planes.

IAmGaroott wrote:
Will they order additional MAX 9s or consider smaller versions of the MAX?


AS could order some 737 MAX 7's to replace the 737-700's and former VX A319's in AS's fleet.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:09 pm
by NameOmitted
When the MAX us flying again, Boeing will be looking for good PR. I would guess that AS could get a screaming deal on a nice big order that replaced the Airbus fleet.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:14 pm
by rajincajun01
The MAX at Moses Lake says “Proudly All Boeing”. That could be a clue.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:18 pm
by MIflyer12
AS doesn't have a lot of -700s (just 14, including cargo, according to Planespotters.net), and they haven't taken delivery of a new passenger model since 2003. Frankly, it's a lot bigger carrier than it used to be. Unless there are some very specific Alaska (state) runway performance needs I think they'll just let the -700s and A319s go away. Max 8s are a pretty good bet eventually, in my opinion.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 11:36 pm
by PacoMartin
I seriously doubt that AS executives know precisely what they will do until they get some data.

But I think there is a going to be a short window after the MAX jets begin flying (4-6 months) that airlines will be able to capitalize. If there is no accidents, when Alaska will be able to sublease the Airbus jets at a reasonable profit and Boeing will have some canceled MAX orders to fill which they will sell for an excellent price. They may be even able to sell the unfilled order with Airbus.

I think that Alaska will take an aggressive approach to try and save money. I think a lot of airlines will want to take a cautious approach.

Once the MAX jets are flying for over a year with no incidents, things will tend to move back to normal. Alaska will probably have to go back to their original plan of waiting for the leases to expire.

A strong show of loyalty should be valuable at SEA airport, especially with DELTA having no unfilled orders with Boeing.

SEA airport Top carriers by domestic passengers:
Alaska 50.1%
Delta 20%
Southwest 7.4%
United 6.3%

SEA airport Top carriers by international passengers:
Delta 29.8%
Alaska 21.9%
Air Canada 4.9%
EVA Air 4.8%
Emirates 4.8%

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:52 am
by vadodara
Probably leverage E2 more!

Virgin gave AS a rare opportunity to get out of NW; E175 should give it a leg up. Capitalize on WN’s lack of MAX.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:02 am
by Akwagon
MIflyer12 wrote:
AS doesn't have a lot of -700s (just 14, including cargo, according to Planespotters.net) Unless there are some very specific Alaska (state) runway performance needs I think they'll just let the -700s and A319s go away. Max 8s are a pretty good bet eventually, in my opinion.


Good point. I do believe there are several airports served within Alaska that anything larger then a -700 would struggle (or E175)
Anyone have any more info??

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:20 am
by BoeingGuy
Akwagon wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
AS doesn't have a lot of -700s (just 14, including cargo, according to Planespotters.net) Unless there are some very specific Alaska (state) runway performance needs I think they'll just let the -700s and A319s go away. Max 8s are a pretty good bet eventually, in my opinion.


Good point. I do believe there are several airports served within Alaska that anything larger then a -700 would struggle (or E175)
Anyone have any more info??


I can’t think of any current airport in AS’s route network in which the 737-800 or 737-8 can’t comfortably handle for its destinations. AS flies the 737-800 SNA-SEA with no problem, for example.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:28 am
by Planes4you
I have a photo of the 737-900max because my friend got a photo of it from his dad and he sent it to me.However I can’t send it

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 2:45 am
by EA CO AS
jplatts wrote:
AS is likely to take delivery of some A320neo's as AS's 737 MAX deliveries have been delayed by the 737 MAX grounding.


If AS does decide to keep a mixed fleet, it won’t involve A320neos. They’ll all be converted to A321neos instead. AS always goes for capacity and lower CASM.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 4:33 am
by Akwagon
BoeingGuy wrote:
Akwagon wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
AS doesn't have a lot of -700s (just 14, including cargo, according to Planespotters.net) Unless there are some very specific Alaska (state) runway performance needs I think they'll just let the -700s and A319s go away. Max 8s are a pretty good bet eventually, in my opinion.


Good point. I do believe there are several airports served within Alaska that anything larger then a -700 would struggle (or E175)
Anyone have any more info??


I can’t think of any current airport in AS’s route network in which the 737-800 or 737-8 can’t comfortably handle for its destinations. AS flies the 737-800 SNA-SEA with no problem, for example.


Fair enough. I just remember the days of flying on the AS 737-200 with gravel kits

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:32 am
by Chugach
Akwagon wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
AS doesn't have a lot of -700s (just 14, including cargo, according to Planespotters.net) Unless there are some very specific Alaska (state) runway performance needs I think they'll just let the -700s and A319s go away. Max 8s are a pretty good bet eventually, in my opinion.


Good point. I do believe there are several airports served within Alaska that anything larger then a -700 would struggle (or E175)
Anyone have any more info??


The -900 is too big for the ramp at a few of the bush outstations...WRG, PSG and GST come to mind. Probably a few up north too. But, the -800 can serve any AS airport within Alaska.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 5:35 am
by Chugach
MIflyer12 wrote:
AS doesn't have a lot of -700s (just 14, including cargo, according to Planespotters.net), and they haven't taken delivery of a new passenger model since 2003. Frankly, it's a lot bigger carrier than it used to be. Unless there are some very specific Alaska (state) runway performance needs I think they'll just let the -700s and A319s go away. Max 8s are a pretty good bet eventually, in my opinion.


AS just spent a lot of time and money refurbishing the -700’s to a brand new interior. They’ve also taken over a lot of the intra-Alaska flying. I think they’ll be in the fleet for several years to come.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:12 am
by RWRCAS
The -700 is the only aircraft authorized in WRG, PSG, GST, and DLG. Most likely due to those airports CFR index. The MAX 7, if Alaska decides at some point to add that aircraft, should be able to operate out of those airports. As far as any new Airbus aircraft, EA CO AS is spot on, if any additional Airbus aircraft are added, the A321neo will be the only one considered.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Discussion 2019

Posted: Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:57 am
by Dash8Driver16
Exactly currently the CFR index is the limiting factor for Many ALaska airports....would love to see some -800 freighters soon.