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Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:29 pm

PHX is AA’s least profitable hub not located in a key intl market (MIA, NYC, and LAX). Also, it is heavily overlapping with DFW and LAX. So taking these factors into consideration, what is the future of AA at PHX?
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:31 pm

Oh boy not this again. The fact that they have added LHR and haven’t downsized much in the five years since the merger tell you all you need to about this. The hub isn’t going anywhere.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:35 pm

HP69 wrote:
PHX is AA’s least profitable hub not located in a key intl market (MIA, NYC, and LAX). Also, it is heavily overlapping with DFW and LAX. So taking these factors into consideration, what is the future of AA at PHX?


What insight do you actually have to the profitability of the hub?
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:37 pm

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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:44 pm

With some fairness to the OP, they only joined a month ago so they haven't been around to see all the threads, or posts in threads, about PHX being dehubbed, etc.

This topic has been beaten to death. The PHX hub isn't going anywhere. As noted above, AA just started a daily year-round nonstop to/from LHR a few months ago as well as adding several other new routes (a few haven't started quite yet). PHX fills a specific niche in the AA network. And there's no more overlap with LAX/DFW than they have with their other closely-located hubs of NYC/PHL/DCA/CLT. Additionally, LAX couldn't possible absorb what PHX does as AA simply doesn't have the capacity available at LAX.

That about sums it up.
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:53 pm

Phoenix is the fastest growing large metro in the nation.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:57 pm

In the end probably some modest growth and handle some of the excess capacity AA can't (and shouldn't) put at LAX. Unless you like waiting for a gate for 30 minutes plus.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:01 pm

cathay747 wrote:
With some fairness to the OP, they only joined a month ago so they haven't been around to see all the threads, or posts in threads, about PHX being dehubbed, etc.

This topic has been beaten to death. The PHX hub isn't going anywhere. As noted above, AA just started a daily year-round nonstop to/from LHR a few months ago as well as adding several other new routes (a few haven't started quite yet). PHX fills a specific niche in the AA network. And there's no more overlap with LAX/DFW than they have with their other closely-located hubs of NYC/PHL/DCA/CLT. Additionally, LAX couldn't possible absorb what PHX does as AA simply doesn't have the capacity available at LAX.

That about sums it up.


There are also seasonal upgrades to widebodies to several domestic destinations(ORD, DFW, CLT, HNL, PHL...)

The prognostications from the experts on this website that AA would dehub PHX the minute they were able to has largely failed to materialize. AA promised three years to PHX and the state of AZ before they would possibly make significant changes and that sunsetted two years ago.

There have been a few adjustments and right sizings as time has gone on, but nothing as drastic as most were predicting here.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:09 pm

PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:18 pm

Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


I definitely see this. LAX is a must have market but consistently has trash fares on popular routes since there is just so much competition.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:19 pm

Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


Thats what he is stating, PHX is the least profitable other than the large international cities of NYC LAX and MIA.

Theres a thread here from sometime late last year that contained a slideshow of hub margins from some investor conference. I dont remember the numbers but they were in the order CLT DFW DCA ORD PHL (two approx equal) PHX MIA LAX LGA, the last two were negative margins.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:21 pm

RemoFlyer wrote:
Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


Thats what he is stating, PHX is the least profitable other than the large international cities of NYC LAX and MIA.

Theres a thread here from sometime late last year that contained a slideshow of hub margins from some investor conference. I dont remember the numbers but they were in the order CLT DFW DCA ORD PHL (two approx equal) PHX MIA LAX LGA, the last two were negative margins.


I’m pretty sure JFK is no longer the “least profitable” or negative hub. Vast Raja in the latest Tell Me Why said it’s actually turning a profit by targeting different markets.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:28 pm

Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


I believe PHX is actually 3rd on a margin basis after DFW and CLT. The single most profitable flight (again on a margin basis) in the entire system is from PHX. Not to mention with PHX growth showing no signs of slowing. Also structurally PHX airport has more potential for growth than almost any other big city airport. In 20 years I bet PHX will surpass MIA and ORD in flights and passengers.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:39 pm

HP69 wrote:
PHX is AA’s least profitable hub not located in a key intl market (MIA, NYC, and LAX). Also, it is heavily overlapping with DFW and LAX. So taking these factors into consideration, what is the future of AA at PHX?


Well LAX is maxed out for AA at the moment so they couldn't absorb much, if any incremental business from PHX. In addition, DFW is bursting at the seams especially when taking into consideration the potential Terminal C renovation. Therefore, unless the airline is willing to forego a loss in total revenue for slightly improved margins, it makes no sense at all to downsize PHX. The airline needs higher margin hubs to offset the low to mid-single digit margins at MIA, NYC, and LAX.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:39 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


I believe PHX is actually 3rd on a margin basis after DFW and CLT. The single most profitable flight (again on a margin basis) in the entire system is from PHX. Not to mention with PHX growth showing no signs of slowing. Also structurally PHX airport has more potential for growth than almost any other big city airport. In 20 years I bet PHX will surpass MIA and ORD in flights and passengers.


Would you care to cite the source of insight on AA hub margins? On the source of individual flight margins?

I'll take the under on PHX surpassing ORD in passengers counts in 20 years, thanks.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:43 pm

While there are some destinations such as BUF, CLE, LIT, SDF, BNA, and TUL that have nonstop service out of PHX on WN but not on AA, there are some other destinations served by both AA and WN that currently have nonstop service out of PHX on AA but not on WN such as BOS, CUN, CLT, HNL, OGG, KOA, LGB, LBB, MEM, MAF, PVR, SJD, and DCA.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:45 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


I believe PHX is actually 3rd on a margin basis after DFW and CLT. The single most profitable flight (again on a margin basis) in the entire system is from PHX. Not to mention with PHX growth showing no signs of slowing. Also structurally PHX airport has more potential for growth than almost any other big city airport. In 20 years I bet PHX will surpass MIA and ORD in flights and passengers.


PHX is 6th.

Ranked by 2018 profit margin:
CLT
DCA
DFW
PHL
ORD
PHX
MIA
JFK
LGA
LAX
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:45 pm

I suspect people who keep bringing this up have no idea that the Phoenix metro area has almost as many people as the Boston metro and is the same size as the San Francisco metro area. Its always compared to cities like Cleveland and Memphis which are literally half the size of Phoenix
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:46 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


I believe PHX is actually 3rd on a margin basis after DFW and CLT. The single most profitable flight (again on a margin basis) in the entire system is from PHX. Not to mention with PHX growth showing no signs of slowing. Also structurally PHX airport has more potential for growth than almost any other big city airport. In 20 years I bet PHX will surpass MIA and ORD in flights and passengers.


Which flight is that from PHX?
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:46 pm

PHX is to AA what DEN is to UA and SLC is to DL.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:48 pm

MrPeanut wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:
Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


I believe PHX is actually 3rd on a margin basis after DFW and CLT. The single most profitable flight (again on a margin basis) in the entire system is from PHX. Not to mention with PHX growth showing no signs of slowing. Also structurally PHX airport has more potential for growth than almost any other big city airport. In 20 years I bet PHX will surpass MIA and ORD in flights and passengers.


PHX is 6th.

Ranked by 2018 profit margin:
CLT
DCA
DFW
PHL
ORD
PHX
MIA
JFK
LGA
LAX

If i remember correctly thought PHL, ORD, and PHX were all within 3% of eachother on margin.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:51 pm

raptorbandito wrote:
MrPeanut wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:

I believe PHX is actually 3rd on a margin basis after DFW and CLT. The single most profitable flight (again on a margin basis) in the entire system is from PHX. Not to mention with PHX growth showing no signs of slowing. Also structurally PHX airport has more potential for growth than almost any other big city airport. In 20 years I bet PHX will surpass MIA and ORD in flights and passengers.


PHX is 6th.

Ranked by 2018 profit margin:
CLT
DCA
DFW
PHL
ORD
PHX
MIA
JFK
LGA
LAX

If i remember correctly thought PHL, ORD, and PHX were all within 3% of eachother on margin.


Thats right 12 12 and 9 i think MIA was around 4 JFK around 2 and the last two were negative
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:53 pm

Ishrion wrote:
RemoFlyer wrote:
Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


Thats what he is stating, PHX is the least profitable other than the large international cities of NYC LAX and MIA.

Theres a thread here from sometime late last year that contained a slideshow of hub margins from some investor conference. I dont remember the numbers but they were in the order CLT DFW DCA ORD PHL (two approx equal) PHX MIA LAX LGA, the last two were negative margins.


I’m pretty sure JFK is no longer the “least profitable” or negative hub. Vast Raja in the latest Tell Me Why said it’s actually turning a profit by targeting different markets.


it never was, I missed JFK in my list - it sits between MIA and LAX/LGA, JFK had a positive margin until late last year.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:55 pm

I was off by a few here and there:

CLT 14.3%
DCA 13.6%
DFW 12.7%
ORD 11.4%
PHL 11.4%
PHX 9.6%
MIA 6.7%
JFK 3.1%
LGA -0.8%
LAX -0.9%

Reference is here https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/comm ... ry-anymore
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:03 pm

HP69 wrote:
PHX is AA’s least profitable hub not located in a key intl market (MIA, NYC, and LAX). Also, it is heavily overlapping with DFW and LAX. So taking these factors into consideration, what is the future of AA at PHX?


OMG A G A I N????????????? How many bloody times do we have to discuss this!?. From someone that clearly does not work for AA.

Let's put this thread into a coma, which is probably where its heading anyway.
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:06 pm

Junction wrote:
PHX is to AA what DEN is to UA and SLC is to DL.


That is thought-provoking. Meaning that every one of the US3 must have an intermountain hub?
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:06 pm

HP69 wrote:
PHX is AA’s least profitable hub not located in a key intl market (MIA, NYC, and LAX). Also, it is heavily overlapping with DFW and LAX. So taking these factors into consideration, what is the future of AA at PHX?


This quote came from a FlightGlobal article late last year, in response to a blogger who predicted dehubbing:

Vasu Raja, vice-president of network and schedule planning at American, told Snyder earlier October that Phoenix was no longer the east-west connecting hub for the airline as it was at US Airways, but a "mountains to the world" hub.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:08 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
Phoenix is the fastest growing large metro in the nation.



DFW is gaining 150k a year. Does Phoenix beat that?
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:13 pm

bob75013 wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
Phoenix is the fastest growing large metro in the nation.



DFW is gaining 150k a year. Does Phoenix beat that?


Yes, it does.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:26 pm

HP69 wrote:
bob75013 wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
Phoenix is the fastest growing large metro in the nation.



DFW is gaining 150k a year. Does Phoenix beat that?


Yes, it does.


No, it doesn't. The PHX MSA added a net 96k residents last year. It's been increasing year over year for quite a while now, but it won't be anywhere near DFW. However, at any rate, it's one of the fastest growing areas of the country, which can only mean good things for air service.

I suspect people who keep bringing this up have no idea that the Phoenix metro area has almost as many people as the Boston metro and is the same size as the San Francisco metro area


Along with the ignorant stereotype that it's only old people and poor people that live in Phoenix, which I'm surprised hasn't been dropped yet.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:59 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:
Vctony wrote:
PHX also isn’t the least profitable hub. I forgot which thread it was but I believe numbers were posted showing MIA and LAX as less profitable (potentially JFK as well).


I believe PHX is actually 3rd on a margin basis after DFW and CLT. The single most profitable flight (again on a margin basis) in the entire system is from PHX. Not to mention with PHX growth showing no signs of slowing. Also structurally PHX airport has more potential for growth than almost any other big city airport. In 20 years I bet PHX will surpass MIA and ORD in flights and passengers.


Would you care to cite the source of insight on AA hub margins? On the source of individual flight margins?

I'll take the under on PHX surpassing ORD in passengers counts in 20 years, thanks.


I think the poster is referring just to AA ops at those hubs and not the overall pax / flight movement totals.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 9:55 pm

If AA could have another 100-150 gates then PHX would close but until then it will be a hub and LAX will serve the most profitable O/D routes
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:04 pm

Busiest Airports by Number of AA Passengers in 2018:

Dallas/Fort Worth (55.06 million)
Charlotte (40.33 million)
Miami (28.36 million)
Chicago O’Hare (27.55 million)
Philadelphia (21.09 million)
Phoenix (19.79 million)
Los Angeles (16.41 million)
Washington Reagan National (11.03 million)
New York LaGuardia (7.73 million)
New York John F. Kennedy (6.89 million)

Busiest Airports by Average Daily Departures on AA in 2018:

Dallas/Fort Worth (719)
Charlotte (617)
Chicago O’Hare (437)
Philadelphia (346)
Miami (324)
Phoenix (252)
Washington Reagan National (224)
Los Angeles (196)
New York LaGuardia (143)
New York John F. Kennedy (87)

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... e-numbers/
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:17 pm

What will Northwest be replacing their DC9s with?
.......
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:21 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
Busiest Airports by Number of AA Passengers in 2018:

Dallas/Fort Worth (55.06 million)
Charlotte (40.33 million)
Miami (28.36 million)
Chicago O’Hare (27.55 million)
Philadelphia (21.09 million)
Phoenix (19.79 million)
Los Angeles (16.41 million)
Washington Reagan National (11.03 million)
New York LaGuardia (7.73 million)
New York John F. Kennedy (6.89 million)

Busiest Airports by Average Daily Departures on AA in 2018:

Dallas/Fort Worth (719)
Charlotte (617)
Chicago O’Hare (437)
Philadelphia (346)
Miami (324)
Phoenix (252)
Washington Reagan National (224)
Los Angeles (196)
New York LaGuardia (143)
New York John F. Kennedy (87)

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... e-numbers/


Departures by hub on an avg July day

DFW 915
CLT 688
ORD 546
PHL 417
MIA 353
PHX 261
DCA 255
LAX 210
LGA 174
JFK 88

Source viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420609&hilit=Aa+departures+by+hub
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:36 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
What will Northwest be replacing their DC9s with?


Concordes on a 1 for 1 replacement basis. (Because DC9's have about 100 pax and that's what Concordes could carry)
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:49 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
What will Northwest be replacing their DC9s with?


Between the MD9/717 I say we looking at 2030ish...
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 10:52 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
What will Northwest be replacing their DC9s with?


757s when Boeing restarts the line.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:00 pm

CLT's profitability really shows the importance of airports keeping their cost per enplaned passenger low. That low cost is clearly the key ingredient in the hub's profitability.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:02 pm

PHX-HMO (Hermosillo, Sonora) is supposedly the highest margin route--I think that is for PHX only, not system wide.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:14 pm

Honestly with more people moving to Phoenix Area each year, I can see it someday becoming a pacific hub with LAX being at max capacity. Probably AA or JL can start with NRT/HND for example and then move to places like ICN and HKG.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:22 pm

PHX is also a huge O&D market at well which also helps. It’s not going anywhere
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:30 pm

LAXLHR wrote:
HP69 wrote:
PHX is AA’s least profitable hub not located in a key intl market (MIA, NYC, and LAX). Also, it is heavily overlapping with DFW and LAX. So taking these factors into consideration, what is the future of AA at PHX?


OMG A G A I N????????????? How many bloody times do we have to discuss this!?. From someone that clearly does not work for AA.

Let's put this thread into a coma, which is probably where its heading anyway.


Amen. These PHX threads are getting old. New poster or not, he or she could have looked at older posts. PHX is not going anywhere as far as AA is concerned.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:31 pm

bob75013 wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
Phoenix is the fastest growing large metro in the nation.



DFW is gaining 150k a year. Does Phoenix beat that?


I'm guessing Phoenix counts as the fastest growing large metro area by percentage growth. The Metroplex may be adding more people per year, but I believe growth rates are often measured as a percentage of the total population.
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:41 pm

The bottom line is if AA didn't have a hub in PHX, someone else would. Whether that's B6, AS, more WN, or someone else, AA would be at a net loss by seceding the hub to their competition. They currently use PHX to funnel traffic from the midwest and east coast to the west coast (other than LAX), and it works well. PHX local market is also currently booming, which helps and will only continue to help in the future. Any of the mid-major US airlines (B6, AS, etc.) would jump at the opportunity to seize demand at a major airport geographically located in Phoenix both for east-west connections and local catchment. Basically, AA is preventing more west coast market saturation by keeping the PHX hub afloat. Even by just breaking even, they would be preventing competition from growing out west. Fortunately for them, they are making a sizable amount of money at the same time.

And for the last time, LAX does not compete with PHX, just like JFK and PHL don't compete with each other. AA drives barely any connecting traffic through LAX and probably never will, considering the lack of gate space and room to grow. If LAX made PHX irrelevant for AA, LAX and SEA would make SLC irrelevant for DL, which (surprisingly) no one on this site ever asks about. LAX is any O&D operation, PHX is a pure connecting hub that more efficiently routes east-west traffic north of DFW and south of ORD.
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:43 pm

cathay747 wrote:
With some fairness to the OP, they only joined a month ago so they haven't been around to see all the threads, or posts in threads, about PHX being dehubbed, etc.


You're right. But this is the same OP who has brought us these other gems:

HP69 wrote:
DL could easily make nonstops from JFK to NRT, PEK, PVG, HKG, TPE, MNL, andSGN work.


HP69 wrote:
DL has a way better EU network than UA though.


HP69 wrote:
I have insider info that the next Airbus clean-sheet will be the A390. It will replace the A380 and will be a 3-5-3 seating configuration for a 3-class capacity of about 450.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:54 pm

IPFreely wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
With some fairness to the OP, they only joined a month ago so they haven't been around to see all the threads, or posts in threads, about PHX being dehubbed, etc.


You're right. But this is the same OP who has brought us these other gems:

HP69 wrote:
DL could easily make nonstops from JFK to NRT, PEK, PVG, HKG, TPE, MNL, andSGN work.


HP69 wrote:
DL has a way better EU network than UA though.


HP69 wrote:
I have insider info that the next Airbus clean-sheet will be the A390. It will replace the A380 and will be a 3-5-3 seating configuration for a 3-class capacity of about 450.


All three of those statements are factual. I do have insider info stating the above. Additionally, the two statements about Delta in NYC are supported by facts.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:02 am

HP69 wrote:
IPFreely wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
With some fairness to the OP, they only joined a month ago so they haven't been around to see all the threads, or posts in threads, about PHX being dehubbed, etc.


You're right. But this is the same OP who has brought us these other gems:

HP69 wrote:
DL could easily make nonstops from JFK to NRT, PEK, PVG, HKG, TPE, MNL, andSGN work.


HP69 wrote:
DL has a way better EU network than UA though.


HP69 wrote:
I have insider info that the next Airbus clean-sheet will be the A390. It will replace the A380 and will be a 3-5-3 seating configuration for a 3-class capacity of about 450.


All three of those statements are factual. I do have insider info stating the above. Additionally, the two statements about Delta in NYC are supported by facts.


Please tell me what “facts” exist that would make JFK-MNL/SGN profitable.
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HP69
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:03 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
HP69 wrote:
IPFreely wrote:

You're right. But this is the same OP who has brought us these other gems:







All three of those statements are factual. I do have insider info stating the above. Additionally, the two statements about Delta in NYC are supported by facts.


You couldn’t possibly have insider information that DL would start those pacific routes.


I meant insider info on the A390.
 
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Re: Future of AA hub at PHX

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:10 am

HP69 wrote:
IPFreely wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
With some fairness to the OP, they only joined a month ago so they haven't been around to see all the threads, or posts in threads, about PHX being dehubbed, etc.


You're right. But this is the same OP who has brought us these other gems:

HP69 wrote:
DL could easily make nonstops from JFK to NRT, PEK, PVG, HKG, TPE, MNL, andSGN work.


HP69 wrote:
DL has a way better EU network than UA though.


HP69 wrote:
I have insider info that the next Airbus clean-sheet will be the A390. It will replace the A380 and will be a 3-5-3 seating configuration for a 3-class capacity of about 450.


All three of those statements are factual. I do have insider info stating the above. Additionally, the two statements about Delta in NYC are supported by facts.


https://www.flightconnections.com/route ... irlines-ua
United: ~ 27 Destinations in Europe (Including PMO/NCE)
https://www.flightconnections.com/route-map-delta-dl
Delta: ~ 26 Destinations in Europe, 27 Cities including the upcoming LGW.

In my opinion, they both have very solid and rounded-out networks across Europe. However, you'd need to factor in the AF/KL/VS and LH Group Joint Ventures.

If DL could easily make nonstops from JFK to the Asian cities listed, why haven't they? DL can't even make SEA-HKG work, and was immediately replaced by CX.

The "insider info"... is this serious?...

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