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Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:00 am

Word among BA rampers in LHR is that a major TATL route announcement is coming later this week. Anyone have any guesses/additional info? My guesses are the following:

LHR-BDL
LHR-CLE or CMH
LHR-TPA
LHR-PDX
LHR-STL
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:01 am

When they have a strike to deal with???
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:03 am

Would LHR-TPA replace LGW or something?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:05 am

Ishrion wrote:
Would LHR-TPA replace LGW or something?


That’s what I had in mind.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:06 am

STL PDX and CMH are all possible, although does a 200 seat 788 count as “major”? The A318 from LCY is major. 787s to Charleston or Nashville, more “incremental”
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:08 am

Maybe LHR-SAT also.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:10 am

Return to CLT seems possible due to AA/BA.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:11 am

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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:12 am

Why would rampers know anything about an air service announcement?
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:13 am

FLYKTPA wrote:
Why would rampers know anything about an air service announcement?


My thoughts exactly, but hey, this guy has inside info on the A390. We could end up eating a shoe.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:27 am

Route announcements aren't the only thing rumoured for this week, there could be a few high profile departures on the way too.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:27 am

Ishrion wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Why would rampers know anything about an air service announcement?


My thoughts exactly, but hey, this guy has inside info on the A390. We could end up eating a shoe.


Wow you really hate me. Why?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:40 am

HP69 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
FLYKTPA wrote:
Why would rampers know anything about an air service announcement?


My thoughts exactly, but hey, this guy has inside info on the A390. We could end up eating a shoe.


Wow you really hate me. Why?


I don't, but you should really back up your claims with some better facts/evidence...

Do you have any sources/people that support the A390 or this BA rumor besides rampers?

Again, you could be completely right, hence why I said "we could end up eating a shoe on these rumors."
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:42 am

Maybe BOS-LGW? Only bc Delta anounced it recently.

Other than that, I can't think of all that much in United States. Maybe most of this expansion will be to Canada, Mexico, Caribbean.
Are there any South American cities that could use LHR/LGW service at the moment?
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:48 am

acavpics wrote:
Maybe BOS-LGW? Only bc Delta anounced it recently.

Other than that, I can't think of all that much in United States. Maybe most of this expansion will be to Canada, Mexico, Caribbean.
Are there any South American cities that could use LHR/LGW service at the moment?


GYE or UIO in South America maybe?

There's definitely still a few places BA could touch on (MCI(?), STL, CMH, CLE, PDX, etc.) with a 2-3x weekly flight, similar to the 2x weekly to CHS.

BA serves all capable AA hubs except CLT, which is covered with 2x daily AA flights. They could mix it up, but I don't really see that happening...
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:48 am

PDX,CLT,MSP,DTW ?
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:53 am

Assuming this info is true might as well add MCI-LHR. FI has stuck around so I imagine BA would do even better with LHR being one of the largest unserved foreign routes from KC

PDX already has DL and TPA is served with LGW.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:55 am

LHR-MSP

Minneapolis-Saint Paul can be a great market for BA. I know Delta has a daily non stop MSP-LHR. This market can support two flights.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 12:56 am

Something off the wall.
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:03 am

[*]
trexel94 wrote:
Assuming this info is true might as well add MCI-LHR. FI has stuck around so I imagine BA would do even better with LHR being one of the largest unserved foreign routes from KC

PDX already has DL and TPA is served with LGW.


I can’t imagine BA is looking to compete with another carrier in a midsize US city.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:08 am

avtcle wrote:
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trexel94 wrote:
Assuming this info is true might as well add MCI-LHR. FI has stuck around so I imagine BA would do even better with LHR being one of the largest unserved foreign routes from KC

PDX already has DL and TPA is served with LGW.


I can’t imagine BA is looking to compete with another carrier in a midsize US city.

In the PDX case, BA would easily be able to push DL out of the market. BA would have feed at the PDX side from AS.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:13 am

FLYKTPA wrote:
Why would rampers know anything about an air service announcement?


A DFW ramp worker knew about Air France’s plan something to announce dfw
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:15 am

BA returning to DTW would make sense.

In Canada YOW and YEG are about the only two cities left for them to add...unless BA want to ETOPS a 319 and fly to YYT.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:21 am

I would be surprised to see BA just concede the leisure market to DY at TPA in favor of LHR, unless they add LHR in conjunction to LGW.

BA has been in the TPA-LGW for a long time and DY is fairly new and is getting good loads, but I can't see that as a market BA is wanting to move out of.

Same could be said for MCO.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:24 am

IAH going to A380?
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:27 am

AVENSAB727 wrote:
IAH going to A380?


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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:42 am

More than Likely NOT STL based on what I have heard unless things really changed in the past few weeks (always possible in this industry)
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:50 am

LHR-PVD, a large population area surrounds PVD and its easy access via I-95 should make it a well supported flight. Being near to Boston also helps.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:50 am

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I would be surprised to see BA just concede the leisure market to DY at TPA in favor of LHR, unless they add LHR in conjunction to LGW.

BA has been in the TPA-LGW for a long time and DY is fairly new and is getting good loads, but I can't see that as a market BA is wanting to move out of.

Same could be said for MCO.

Not doubting your statement, genuinely asking here, but what would preclude the leisure market from using LHR. I have flown the TPA-LGW route on BA but would have preferred going to LHR. Also, it opens the doors to connections like the FRA and AMA flights now have.
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 1:56 am

Folks over on FlyerTalk seem to think Cruz (and some others) are on their way out. Take it for what it’s worth. Those folks know more than I do.
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:00 am

cedarjet wrote:
STL PDX and CMH are all possible, although does a 200 seat 788 count as “major”? The A318 from LCY is major. 787s to Charleston or Nashville, more “incremental”


LHR-STL would make me excited.
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:00 am

It would be nice to see MSP, but I seriously question it because (1) it's a Delta hub, and (2) Aer Lingus just started MSP a few weeks ago. If Aer Lingus is really successful at MSP, then in a few years I could see BA adding MSP, but I don't think it will happen until BA has data on how many passengers Aer Lingus carries, the average fares, and how many of EI's passengers are connecting to cities that they could also connect to via LHR if BA adds MSP.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:02 am

SuseJ772 wrote:
BTVB6Flyer wrote:
I would be surprised to see BA just concede the leisure market to DY at TPA in favor of LHR, unless they add LHR in conjunction to LGW.

BA has been in the TPA-LGW for a long time and DY is fairly new and is getting good loads, but I can't see that as a market BA is wanting to move out of.

Same could be said for MCO.

Not doubting your statement, genuinely asking here, but what would preclude the leisure market from using LHR. I have flown the TPA-LGW route on BA but would have preferred going to LHR. Also, it opens the doors to connections like the FRA and AMA flights now have.


Moving to LHR with is very 'slot' controlled and those in tune are more expensive, thus a higher fare usually in comparison to say LGW on a similar segment. The passengers that flock to Florida that use LGW are stimulated a bit by the lower fares that LGW can provide. These airlines are probably getting good yields since they have been in the market for many many years, but that same route to LHR probably won't see the same fare/passengers and therefore probably not the same yield.

That is unless going to LHR makes sense from a business fare perspective/higher premium fare.

Don't get me wrong I think most would prefer LHR from a US standpoint, but with it also comes a premium and LGW has always been the VFR/leisure origin for such types of routes.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:12 am

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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:18 am

cedarjet wrote:
STL PDX and CMH are all possible, although does a 200 seat 788 count as “major”? The A318 from LCY is major. 787s to Charleston or Nashville, more “incremental”


CMH doesn't make sense, but CLE certainly does as its the largest US metro without direct service to Europe. Population of the CLE air market (4-5MM people) is larger than that of CMH (around 2MM people) and the economy is much larger. Plus Cleveland's economy has begun showing signs of taking off while there are signs that Columbus's is slowing down after a steady period of growth. Back when CO had a hub in CLE, they served CLE-London (initially LGW, then LHR) for ten or so years til the Great Recession.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 3:58 am

Seems like a slap in the face and counter excitement with all the strike craziness. I doubt they would be so dumb from a PR standpoint. Look up British Airways the first things that come up are all strike-related. I am saying this is fiction and/or delayed.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:13 am

stl07 wrote:
More than Likely NOT STL based on what I have heard unless things really changed in the past few weeks (always possible in this industry)


Agree with this. I would be shocked if it was STL. I’d be thrilled, but shocked.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:20 am

I know BA just turned 100, maybe they will announce something to celebrate. That being said, rumor mill among staff usually tends to be extremely unreliable.


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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:35 am

My guesses, if said rumors are true:

LGW-RSW
Seasonal LGW-PVR
LHR-PDX
LHR-BDL

One potential route that is never discussed is LHR-SAT, which could be run 2x/wk paired with year-round LHR-CHS 2x/wk. In fact, SAT doesn’t have any TATL service at all, which is a surprise given its tourism and military business, which could be had on AA codeshare. There’s LHR-AUS, but driving all the way up there for an international flight would be grueling.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:39 am

I'd think it'd be somewhere in the Midwest; BA only serves ORD and PIT (if you consider PIT as a part of the Midwest), so it would make sense to increase coverage. I could see STL, CVG, CMH, a return to DTW, or maybe CLE (I wonder if they'd be worried about stepping on PIT's toes). MSP, I think is too small a market to support two carriers.
 
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Tue Aug 27, 2019 4:41 am

usdcaguy wrote:
My guesses, if said rumors are true:

LGW-RSW
Seasonal LGW-PVR
LHR-PDX
LHR-BDL

One potential route that is never discussed is LHR-SAT, which could be run 2x/wk paired with year-round LHR-CHS 2x/wk. In fact, SAT doesn’t have any TATL service at all, which is a surprise given its tourism and military business, which could be had on AA codeshare. There’s LHR-AUS, but driving all the way up there for an international flight would be grueling.


Isn’t it only an hourish from San Antonio to AUS? I’m not sure I would call that grueling. Lots of people drive further than that to catch a flight at their closest airport. I know plenty that drive the 4-5 hours from STL to ORD to catch an Intl flight from Chicago for cheaper (and a nonstop) instead of STL. I think it’s crazy they do but they do.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:01 am

PDX makes a lot of sense -- with the partnership/feed from a huge number of Alaska flyers.

Delta, Iceland Air, and Condor are all flying transatlantic. With BA's EMEA network they could step in and take a big chunk out of that overnight.

In a couple days I'm taking DL PDX-AMS before hopping on KLM. But being an Alaska MVP I would def take BA if they were here.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 7:30 am

BTVB6Flyer wrote:
Don't get me wrong I think most would prefer LHR from a US standpoint, but with it also comes a premium and LGW has always been the VFR/leisure origin for such types of routes.


That's not to say such routes couldn't work from LHR. It's different if you're living within London/inside of the M25, however there are a lot of people living in places such as Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Middlesex, Hertfordshire, Hampshire, Oxfordshire, M4 corridor etc. for which LHR is a lot closer and easier to get to than LGW. The M25 along the stretch from LHR towards the M23 to get to LGW can be mental at times and rail connectivity from most of these places besides the North Downs line from Reading leaves a lot to be desired.

If/when the third runway is ever built, it wouldn't surprise me to see some of these routes eventually being duplicated and/or consolidated at LHR. However, I doubt this is what the rumoured announcement is about.
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:44 am

*Sigh* nothing for the north again...Please BA put more metal in MAN.

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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:58 am

ANA787 wrote:
In the PDX case, BA would easily be able to push DL out of the market. BA would have feed at the PDX side from AS.

That might sound intuitive, until you actually look at the markets served.

What significant market is AS going to cnnx to LON over PDX, that doesn't involve multiple hours of backtracking or already have LON service?
SMF and ANC are about the only ones, maybe the Hawaiian market... though all of that would just be a duplicate of what BA/AS already have over SEA, SFO, and LAX.

Could they do it? Of course.
Is it worth tying up a 787/777 that could be used to generate unique flows on routes with no competitor? Probably not, but I guess we'll have to see.
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:07 am

I’ll believe it when i see it. I’m still waiting for the AA to T5 announcement.
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:14 am

My guesses are MSP, DTW, PDX or ANC (2x weekly seasonal in the case of ANC)
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:46 am

Please add Detroit!
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:17 am

Hourly service LHR - DTW :white:
 
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Re: Unconfirmed: BA to make major 2020 TATL expansion later this week

Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:17 am

FriscoHeavy wrote:
Folks over on FlyerTalk seem to think Cruz (and some others) are on their way out. Take it for what it’s worth. Those folks know more than I do.


The best news that could come out. Put aside the fact the airline falls further behind its peers in terms of service, the strikes must be a nail in the coffin for an airline which has historically always had very good relations with its pilots.

PDX would make sense IMO, STL seems to have been passed up enough times by BA for other surprise venues, despite the origination volumes and historic AA connection, to which I guess means there are AA Frequent fliers in the region. I think the Connecticut region is a good shout by people here. EI already go daily into BDL and BA does have more 321s to be delivered.

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