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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:24 pm

slcguy wrote:
Another unusual flight for SLC this evening, 3/24/20.. Probably bringing Mormon missionaries home. Ethiopian ETH 8705, B788 flew in from JNB with two enroute fuel stops. JNB-LFW flying time 5:29. LFW-IAD time 11:11, IAD-SLC time 4:23. Arrived SLC at 9:34pm local. With over 4 hours ground time at LFW and over 2 hours ground time at IAD. Talk about a long day on the same plane! Think this is probably the first time an Ethiopian flight has ever been to SLC.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH8705


To confirm your statement, this has been the first time any Ethiopian Airlines plane has flown into SLC. I also believe this is the first time a B788 has ever flown into SLC, not including diversions. An EgyptAir B788 also came into SLC sometime last week from Cairo, presumably with the Mormon missionaries onboard. DL even had a nonstop B77L from Sydney! That flight was around 16 hours long.

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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Thu May 21, 2020 11:33 pm

 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Thu May 21, 2020 11:45 pm

One of few sliver linings of COVID-19 is that it is speeding up the transition to the new SLC terminal.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... help-salt/

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1446561
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Thu May 21, 2020 11:55 pm

Did DL ever use the MD-11 at SLC? Especially for the 2002 Winter Olympics?

DL disposed of its last MD-11s in 2004, but both FedEx and UPS bring their MD-11s to SLC.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Fri May 22, 2020 12:48 am

Updated plans for closing the old terminals/concourses at SLC.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... help-salt/
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:36 pm

redzeppelin wrote:
There is another thread with construction updates:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1374455


Turns out there is also a second thread about SLC terminal construction:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1446561&hilit=salt+lake+city&start=50
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:43 am

Nice link about how SLC is (in phases) building its new terminal while decommissioning/demolishing the old facility.
https://crankyflier.com/2020/09/24/doin ... -terminal/

A small silver lining in an otherwise horrific pandemic is that Salt Lake City is taking advantage of the drop in passenger traffic to speed up construction/demolition. This will result in the project being finished ahead of schedule while shaving millions off the final price tag. A wonderful new facility will await passengers, especially once herd immunity/good vaccines arrive (whenever that is) and traffic finally starts approaching pre-COVID19 levels.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:47 pm

 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 22, 2020 6:17 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:



The airport created an anniversary webpage with a 92-page book and a 47-minute video. The book is available electronically for free. Both are are available here:
https://slcairport.com/100thanniversary
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:38 pm

And good news just posted on the @slcairport twitter account: The world map from the floor of Terminal 1 has been successfully removed and will be reinstalled in the new Concourse B!
https://twitter.com/slcairport/status/1 ... 1338300416
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:37 pm

I landed at the new SLC on 12/20 and I must say the place was a total madhouse. I cannot imagine what it will be like when the entire airport is finished and passenger traffic is back to normal. I believe the main terminal might be slightly undersized, and the moving walkways not nearly wide enough or appropriate for the amount of foot traffic in Concourse A. I imagine once the main tunnel to Concourse B is complete, that will alleviate some foot traffic in Concourse A west, but I'm also guessing passenger traffic will dramatically increase by the time the new tunnel is complete.

Further, until the old airport is demolished and planes can taxi all the way through between Concourse A and Concourse B, the gate situation getting planes in and out of the alleyway is a total cluster XXXX. While the new airport is beautiful, based on what it looked like 12/20, I think the new SLC may already be undersized.
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:15 pm

Delta is running a pretty healthy schedule IIRC. Anyone know today's stats for delta at SLC? A little worrying if the thought of congestion is already coming up
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Wed Dec 23, 2020 1:23 am

fanoftristars wrote:
I landed at the new SLC on 12/20 and I must say the place was a total madhouse. I cannot imagine what it will be like when the entire airport is finished and passenger traffic is back to normal. I believe the main terminal might be slightly undersized, and the moving walkways not nearly wide enough or appropriate for the amount of foot traffic in Concourse A. I imagine once the main tunnel to Concourse B is complete, that will alleviate some foot traffic in Concourse A west, but I'm also guessing passenger traffic will dramatically increase by the time the new tunnel is complete.

Further, until the old airport is demolished and planes can taxi all the way through between Concourse A and Concourse B, the gate situation getting planes in and out of the alleyway is a total cluster XXXX. While the new airport is beautiful, based on what it looked like 12/20, I think the new SLC may already be undersized.

Hmmm. That doesn’t sound good. But, Pre-Pandemic and old terminals, Salt Lake was a MAD HOUSE, especially at peak hours. No way, it can be worse than it used to. My guess would be that whenever everything is finally open, it’ll clear out a bit more. I guess only time will tell.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:01 am

redzeppelin wrote:
And good news just posted on the @slcairport twitter account: The world map from the floor of Terminal 1 has been successfully removed and will be reinstalled in the new Concourse B!
https://twitter.com/slcairport/status/1 ... 1338300416

Wow, that's amazing news! One of the few good surprises to come from this year.
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:28 pm

There’s an Aloha Air Cargo on the ground in SLC right now. Does anyone know what it’s doing there?

Also F9 is beginning SLC-DFW/ORD on June 10.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:35 pm

I didn't realize there was an SLC thread on here, but FWIW, I was doing some analysis of DL's schedule and SLC and this were the actual schedule. Thought you might be interested

This compares from FSDan's information he's compiled over the years:
Summer 2014
Summer 2018
Summer 2019
April 2021

SLC 2014 2018 2019 Apr-21
EMB2 16 0 0 0
CRJ2 61 41 44 31
CRJ7 36 14 9 8
CRJ9 34 16 7 14
E75L 7 53 61 56
B712 0 15 13 0
BCS1 0 0 11 18
BCS3 0 0 0 9
A319 22 15 27 10
A320 37 14 15 11
MD90 0 11 0 0
B738 19 39 31 28
B739 6 25 30 29
A321 0 18 17 24
B752 22 7 10 6
B753 1 0 2 0
B763 2 4 4 1
B764 0 0 0 3
A332 1 0 0 3
A333 0 0 0 2
A359 0 0 0 1
TOTAL 264 272 281 254
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Threadthanka do

Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:04 pm

Thanks for sharing. Good to see DL has brought in some larger aircraft.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:06 pm

alohashirts wrote:
Also F9 is beginning SLC-DFW/ORD on June 10.


F9 adding SLC-CVG nonstop service might be a possibility with
(a) there being some leisure traffic to Utah from Greater Cincinnati,
(b) SLC-CVG being one of the top routes out of CVG without nonstop competition,
(c) F9 still serving ATL (which is DL's main hub) nonstop from CVG, and
(d) F9 having previously served a few other DL hub airports such as LAX, MSP, and LGA nonstop from CVG.

While SY doesn't currently serve SLC, I previously mentioned the possibility of SY adding MSP-SLC nonstop service with MSP-SLC currently having no nonstop competition and with the leisure traffic that is there to Utah from Minnesota and Western Wisconsin. MSP is also the #1 market in the Midwest without nonstop LCC/ULCC nonstop service to SLC.

NK adding service to SLC is also a possibility with SLC being the #1 market in the contiguous U.S. without NK service, and NK adding SLC-DTW nonstop service is a possibility if NK enters the SLC market with
(a) DTW-SLC currently lacking nonstop competition,
(b) NK having strong point-of-sale on the DTW end to support DTW-SLC nonstop service on NK,
(c) NK already having nonstop service out of DTW to some other DL hub airports such as ATL, BOS, LAX, MSP, and LGA, and
(d) there being some leisure traffic to Utah from Southeast Michigan and Northwest Ohio.

WN re-adding MCI-SLC nonstop service might also be a possibility with the recent adds that WN has made at SLC and with MCI-SLC being one of the top routes without nonstop competition.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:28 pm

I don’t think WN has ever done MCI-SLC before. I think it would be successful though. I don’t see F9 trying CVG-SLC. It just isn’t a route I see them trying with their focus city business model at CVG. As far as NK trying SLC, I think it’s only a matter of time. I could see them start off with service from SLC-DTW/LAS/LAX at the beginning. Lastly I don’t see SY trying SLC-MSP.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:14 am

alohashirts wrote:
I don’t think WN has ever done MCI-SLC before. I think it would be successful though.


WN had previously operated MCI-SLC nonstop service according to a WN city fact sheet from 2006, which can be found at https://web.archive.org/web/20061124090309/http://www.swamedia.com/swamedia/cities/swamedia_slc.html.

alohashirts wrote:
As far as NK trying SLC, I think it’s only a matter of time. I could see them start off with service from SLC-DTW/LAS/LAX at the beginning. Lastly I don’t see SY trying SLC-MSP.


NK adding SLC-MSP nonstop service might also be a possibility if NK enters the SLC market with
(a) NK already having nonstop service to some destinations other than Florida or Vegas from MSP, including ATL, BWI, DEN, DTW, LAX, and PHX,
(b) MSP having stronger O&D demand to SLC than the other Midwestern cities that do not currently have nonstop LCC/ULCC service to SLC,
(c) there being some leisure travel to Utah from Minnesota and Western Wisconsin to support MSP-SLC nonstop service on NK.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:37 pm

Southwest is absolutely bursting at the seams in SLC. They currently have only four gates (down from six at the old terminal). When I was there in March, two flights were delayed. Three planes had to wait over 30 minutes for a gate. One plane waited 75 minutes on the taxiway.
Next flights:
Who knows? :/
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Sat May 01, 2021 12:22 am

Recently talked with a SLC airport representative that is part of the construction projects going on, and he said that the concourse A west expansion should be completed by October 2023 instead of the March 2024 date that is set. He said things are moving along faster and better than planned.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Sat May 01, 2021 1:17 am

maps4ltd wrote:
Southwest is absolutely bursting at the seams in SLC. They currently have only four gates (down from six at the old terminal). When I was there in March, two flights were delayed. Three planes had to wait over 30 minutes for a gate. One plane waited 75 minutes on the taxiway.

I think almost all the airlines are bursting at the seams in SLC with the exception being B6 and maybe F9. I’ve seen UA, AA, WN, DL, AS, all use remote boarding simply because they don’t have enough gates.

The new concourse expansion gates cannot arrive soon enough.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Mon May 03, 2021 1:39 pm

jplatts wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
I don’t think WN has ever done MCI-SLC before. I think it would be successful though.


WN had previously operated MCI-SLC nonstop service according to a WN city fact sheet from 2006, which can be found at https://web.archive.org/web/20061124090309/http://www.swamedia.com/swamedia/cities/swamedia_slc.html.

alohashirts wrote:
As far as NK trying SLC, I think it’s only a matter of time. I could see them start off with service from SLC-DTW/LAS/LAX at the beginning. Lastly I don’t see SY trying SLC-MSP.


NK adding SLC-MSP nonstop service might also be a possibility if NK enters the SLC market with
(a) NK already having nonstop service to some destinations other than Florida or Vegas from MSP, including ATL, BWI, DEN, DTW, LAX, and PHX,
(b) MSP having stronger O&D demand to SLC than the other Midwestern cities that do not currently have nonstop LCC/ULCC service to SLC,
(c) there being some leisure travel to Utah from Minnesota and Western Wisconsin to support MSP-SLC nonstop service on NK.

I really cannot see NK wanting to go between 2 DL hubs with SLC and MSP! DL could easily drop in 2 flights, 1 right before and 1 right after the NK departure times and match the fares for just those flights. NK does not want to go head-to-head on that run, IMHO
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Mon May 03, 2021 1:46 pm

I transited SLC on the 22nd of April and I couldn’t believe how busy it was. Didn’t look like an era of reduced travel at all. They need more space. I think they should’ve left the other airlines in the old terminal.
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Mon May 03, 2021 1:58 pm

alohashirts wrote:
I don’t think WN has ever done MCI-SLC before. I think it would be successful though. I don’t see F9 trying CVG-SLC. It just isn’t a route I see them trying with their focus city business model at CVG. As far as NK trying SLC, I think it’s only a matter of time. I could see them start off with service from SLC-DTW/LAS/LAX at the beginning. Lastly I don’t see SY trying SLC-MSP.


As stated above, WN did do SLC-MCI nonstop for quite a bit. Took flt 1743 many a time (PDX SLC MCI MDW). Best one was seeing Hale-Bopp Comet one night between SLC and MCI.
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Mon May 03, 2021 6:34 pm

fjnovak1 wrote:
I transited SLC on the 22nd of April and I couldn’t believe how busy it was. Didn’t look like an era of reduced travel at all. They need more space. I think they should’ve left the other airlines in the old terminal.


That was the original plan...but doing it this way shaves off multiple years and saves a ton of $$$.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Mon May 03, 2021 10:29 pm

alohashirts wrote:
Recently talked with a SLC airport representative that is part of the construction projects going on, and he said that the concourse A west expansion should be completed by October 2023 instead of the March 2024 date that is set. He said things are moving along faster and better than planned.


SLC is the anti california. They may finish early and under budget.

There is gonna be some growing pains here but the airport gets completed sooner and cheaper. SLC was also the second least down hub percentage wise in traffic during the worst of the pandemic only Denver was down less. The airport has remained busy even when others were dead. It's gonna be limited in capacity and crowded for a while here though. It's all for the greater good and long term result
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Tue May 04, 2021 6:32 am

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
Recently talked with a SLC airport representative that is part of the construction projects going on, and he said that the concourse A west expansion should be completed by October 2023 instead of the March 2024 date that is set. He said things are moving along faster and better than planned.


SLC is the anti california. They may finish early and under budget.

There is gonna be some growing pains here but the airport gets completed sooner and cheaper. SLC was also the second least down hub percentage wise in traffic during the worst of the pandemic only Denver was down less. The airport has remained busy even when others were dead. It's gonna be limited in capacity and crowded for a while here though. It's all for the greater good and long term result

In Utah it’s not only SLC that’s holding strong. PVU, SGU, and CNY are all doing great. Utah overall is one of the states where its airports have seen hardly any decline or have rebounded to almost 2019 levels.
 
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:28 am

The capacity upgauges mentioned upthread are somewhat deceiving. Yes, upgrading RJs to mainline equipment (the A220 is perfect for SLC) is an upgrade from recent past. But in the 80s and 90s, before the scourge of RJs infected the planet, there were many 737, 727, DC10 (WAL), and L1011 flights. Many flights on 737-200s and the small 733 fleet.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:33 am

SteelChair wrote:
The capacity upgauges mentioned upthread are somewhat deceiving. Yes, upgrading RJs to mainline equipment (the A220 is perfect for SLC) is an upgrade from recent past. But in the 80s and 90s, before the scourge of RJs infected the planet, there were many 737, 727, DC10 (WAL), and L1011 flights. Many flights on 737-200s and the small 733 fleet.

How are the upgauges deceiving? It’s simply just showing more demand for a flight.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:38 am

alohashirts wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
The capacity upgauges mentioned upthread are somewhat deceiving. Yes, upgrading RJs to mainline equipment (the A220 is perfect for SLC) is an upgrade from recent past. But in the 80s and 90s, before the scourge of RJs infected the planet, there were many 737, 727, DC10 (WAL), and L1011 flights. Many flights on 737-200s and the small 733 fleet.

How are the upgauges deceiving? It’s simply just showing more demand for a flight.


Because they are only recent upgauges. In the 80s and 90s, there were tons of mainline aircraft flying routes that got RJ'd later. Back in the days when there was more room on the planes, and more seats available.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:22 pm

SteelChair wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
The capacity upgauges mentioned upthread are somewhat deceiving. Yes, upgrading RJs to mainline equipment (the A220 is perfect for SLC) is an upgrade from recent past. But in the 80s and 90s, before the scourge of RJs infected the planet, there were many 737, 727, DC10 (WAL), and L1011 flights. Many flights on 737-200s and the small 733 fleet.

How are the upgauges deceiving? It’s simply just showing more demand for a flight.


Because they are only recent upgauges. In the 80s and 90s, there were tons of mainline aircraft flying routes that got RJ'd later. Back in the days when there was more room on the planes, and more seats available.


Well, sure, and in the 1940's, there were a hundred DC-3's a day, offering unparalleled frequency choice.

A recent upgrade is a far more relevant development than comparing post-Coronavirus to pre-Clinton Administration.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Sun Jun 06, 2021 12:26 pm

AA737-823 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
How are the upgauges deceiving? It’s simply just showing more demand for a flight.


Because they are only recent upgauges. In the 80s and 90s, there were tons of mainline aircraft flying routes that got RJ'd later. Back in the days when there was more room on the planes, and more seats available.


Well, sure, and in the 1940's, there were a hundred DC-3's a day, offering unparalleled frequency choice.

A recent upgrade is a far more relevant development than comparing post-Coronavirus to pre-Clinton Administration.


There weren't more seats and larger planes out there in the 40s. You're just being argumentative. Thru the 90s, there were massive downgauges across the system because RJs.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:14 am

SteelChair wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

Because they are only recent upgauges. In the 80s and 90s, there were tons of mainline aircraft flying routes that got RJ'd later. Back in the days when there was more room on the planes, and more seats available.


Well, sure, and in the 1940's, there were a hundred DC-3's a day, offering unparalleled frequency choice.

A recent upgrade is a far more relevant development than comparing post-Coronavirus to pre-Clinton Administration.


There weren't more seats and larger planes out there in the 40s. You're just being argumentative. Thru the 90s, there were massive downgauges across the system because RJs.

SteelChair wrote:
AA737-823 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

Because they are only recent upgauges. In the 80s and 90s, there were tons of mainline aircraft flying routes that got RJ'd later. Back in the days when there was more room on the planes, and more seats available.


Well, sure, and in the 1940's, there were a hundred DC-3's a day, offering unparalleled frequency choice.

A recent upgrade is a far more relevant development than comparing post-Coronavirus to pre-Clinton Administration.


There weren't more seats and larger planes out there in the 40s. You're just being argumentative. Thru the 90s, there were massive downgauges across the system because RJs.


I get your point, yes they were all mainline on larger gauge. But that was up to 40 years ago! That's like comparing those same 1980s service levels to the 1940s. Air transportation evolves. A lot of those routes had larger gauge on low frequency, milk run multi-stop routing, and load factors were never anywhere near this last decade.
 
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Re: Salt Lake City Aviation Thread

Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:01 am

SteelChair wrote:
alohashirts wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
The capacity upgauges mentioned upthread are somewhat deceiving. Yes, upgrading RJs to mainline equipment (the A220 is perfect for SLC) is an upgrade from recent past. But in the 80s and 90s, before the scourge of RJs infected the planet, there were many 737, 727, DC10 (WAL), and L1011 flights. Many flights on 737-200s and the small 733 fleet.

How are the upgauges deceiving? It’s simply just showing more demand for a flight.


Because they are only recent upgauges. In the 80s and 90s, there were tons of mainline aircraft flying routes that got RJ'd later. Back in the days when there was more room on the planes, and more seats available.


Back when airlines flew empty planes and mostly because fuel was very very cheap. That will never return. Airlines will be filling these planes up. The larger planes will come at the cost of frequency. The RJs allowed for more time options at smaller airports

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