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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:22 pm

Here is link to story and video of press conference

https://fox6now.com/2019/08/28/midwest- ... iA6gvL0u0c
 
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Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:24 pm

 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:32 pm

GRR, CVG, and OMA. Very nice. I hope this airline can make it.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:38 pm

YES!!! Finally! A non-stop flight between MKE and OMA!
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:15 pm

I wonder if they will try MKE-BOS in 2020. SW is axing that route permanently I believe.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:33 pm

Gods, that livery is absolutely heinous. The "Midwest Express" titles are in freaking ARIAL, and the tail logo looks like an amateurish recreation of the old ME logo as seen in my avatar.

I'm sure that Republic probably still retains some rights to the "Midwest Airlines" name and the blue/red/gold/white branding colors, so doing any sort of blue/white livery might have been out of question to avoid infringement (and white livery with minimal details is cheaper to paint), but they could have still hired someone with an actual degree and education in graphic design to come up with a livery/branding design for them.

Also, any idea on what their IATA code is going to be? Last I knew, Republic was still using the YX code for themselves.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:43 pm

This won’t last long....
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:43 pm

Plotting it out if they did 2x/day that would be pretty brutal if they did it with one aircraft -- with nothing but 25-30 minute turns all day long it would be about a 17-18 hour day, So I'd guess we're looking at 2 aircraft for this initial schedule.

I do find it interesting that Delta-stronghold Cincinnati comes before Columbus or Pittsburgh. A reasonable (and hopefully accurate) explanation is corporations they've talked with asked for MKE-CVG in particular.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:49 pm

JBo wrote:
Gods, that livery is absolutely heinous. The "Midwest Express" titles are in freaking ARIAL, and the tail logo looks like an amateurish recreation of the old ME logo as seen in my avatar.

I'm sure that Republic probably still retains some rights to the "Midwest Airlines" name and the blue/red/gold/white branding colors, so doing any sort of blue/white livery might have been out of question to avoid infringement (and white livery with minimal details is cheaper to paint), but they could have still hired someone with an actual degree and education in graphic design to come up with a livery/branding design for them.

Also, any idea on what their IATA code is going to be? Last I knew, Republic was still using the YX code for themselves.


The IATA code will likely be whatever Elite has since they're the ones operating it.

As for the livery, you're right, there's nothing special about it at all. It's all probably vinyl lettering, stripe, and logo, so much cheaper than full paint, but given what you can do with vinyl printing, they could have made a really awesome livery.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:50 pm

I've been browsing the posts/reactions on social media and folks are cheering for destinations like Arizona, California, Florida, etc. Looks like they are going to be sorely disappointed!
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
I think going east to CLE, CMH , PIT,etc. can work as the drives are severely hampered by the Lake and Chicagoland!


Same for reason for why I think GRR will be on the list of destinations

Well its true that there are no flights between MKE and GRR, but there is reasonably fast Amtrak service through Chicago which is timed for business travelers.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:52 pm

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STT757 wrote:
Once they’re ready for their own aircraft Midwest Express might be a good place for Embraer to place their ERJ-175 E2s. Seems the perfect size for their operation, catering to business travelers from MKE throughout the Midwest and Northeast.


No way Embraer is going to launch an aircraft with an uncertain future with an airline that currently has no future.


Its already launched. It has a 100 unit backlog.

They can go the E-Jet route or the A220 route.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:54 pm

I was just thinking once Midwest is able to get their own planes, I wonder if the CRJ-550 might be a good fit for them since they are going after the business crowd in MKE. Would give them a nice hard parduct to offer business people while expanding them into the leasure travel market and give them a plane with more range.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:58 pm

I'm guessing they'll probably be using the former OneJet gates?
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:00 pm

illinoisman wrote:
I've been browsing the posts/reactions on social media and folks are cheering for destinations like Arizona, California, Florida, etc. Looks like they are going to be sorely disappointed!
SyracuseAvGeek wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
I think going east to CLE, CMH , PIT,etc. can work as the drives are severely hampered by the Lake and Chicagoland!


Same for reason for why I think GRR will be on the list of destinations

Well its true that there are no flights between MKE and GRR, but there is reasonably fast Amtrak service through Chicago which is timed for business travelers.


The train operates one time a day on the Grand Rapids-Chicago route, experiences frequent delays in Northwestern Indiana, and then requires a transfer in Chicago. It takes several hours in total and is not reliable for business travelers.

Point being, almost any business traveler between GRR-MKE making the trip today is either making the long drive, or is making a flight connection somewhere. They aren’t taking the train.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:39 pm

rj777 wrote:
I'm guessing they'll probably be using the former OneJet gates?


No obvious reason why they wouldn't use a jetway gate. Nobody much wants to ground-board if they don't have to.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:53 pm

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rj777 wrote:
I'm guessing they'll probably be using the former OneJet gates?


No obvious reason why they wouldn't use a jetway gate. Nobody much wants to ground-board if they don't have to.


In my experience of flying the CRJ200, it’s been a 50/50 split between jetway and groundboard.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:16 pm

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The color & logo composition reminds me somewhat of the 90s Midway reboot:



Honestly a bit disappointed that CMH wasn't included in the initial destination list. Hopeful this latest revival attempt takes off.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:40 pm

FARmd90 wrote:
I was just thinking once Midwest is able to get their own planes, I wonder if the CRJ-550 might be a good fit for them since they are going after the business crowd in MKE. Would give them a nice hard parduct to offer business people while expanding them into the leasure travel market and give them a plane with more range.


The CRJ-550 is just a reconfigured, paper-reduced MTOW version of the CRJ-700 to get around UA’s scope clause restricting the number of planes above 50 seats/certain MTOW.

If there’s no scope clause (and I doubt there is in this case), there’s no need to do the -550 vs. a regular -700, even if you reconfigure the inside to have fewer seats.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:41 pm

knope2001 wrote:
Grand Rapids, Omaha and Cincinnati to start -- wonder if this is one aircraft or two?


N96EA as MNU96 flew MKE to GRR for the announcement in GRR:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/MNU ... /KMKE/KGRR
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:07 pm

What about flights to Timbuktu or Madagascar?
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:34 pm

What is the reasoning behind starting an airline that flies from MKE to destinations in Mid-America?
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:44 pm

Looks like someone got pictures of it landing at GRR.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1uMgl0B09P ... m9zygkbybg
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:56 pm

ryanrap1 wrote:
wheres the news articles and pictures?


https://www.omaha.com/money/midwest-exp ... tKaG25eg0I

"Wednesday, the company announced its initial flights out of Milwaukee will be to Omaha, Cincinnati and Grand Rapids, Michigan."

Sorry, no pictures
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:02 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
What is the reasoning behind starting an airline that flies from MKE to destinations in Mid-America?


Well, perhaps to fly people that want to fly from (or to) MKE from mid- America. Seems to be quite a few business ries between Milwaukee and many cities in midwest. Don't know what companies, but I do like to see the varity if locations Menard's bizjets go to with regularity in the upper midwest.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:07 pm

It's not a very exciting paintjob, but it'll do. For once (even though I will likely never fly on them unless they expand to their previous presence) I think the soft product is what one should look forward to the most, as well as the cookies (which can be either "soft or hard" product!). Hopefully they'll be able to add more planes and routes they can justify, once they establish themselves.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:26 pm

Baby steps everyone, baby steps. Give them time to get established and grow.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:34 pm

Way better than Elite's own livery.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:34 pm

They better have immediate access to a spare for irrops
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:38 pm

32andBelow wrote:
They better have immediate access to a spare for irrops


Hopefully they don’t become another Via Air.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:13 pm

I'm hoping the best for them but my God, why that aircraft? It's the most uncomfortable thing with wings.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:26 pm

Anyone know what callsign they will use? Mid Ex?
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:44 pm

A non stop to Kansas City would be great.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:47 pm

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I wonder if they will try MKE-BOS in 2020. SW is axing that route permanently I believe.


If they announce that DL will upgauge its 2x E75 to a 319 or 220 in 3, 2, 1...
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:50 pm

Damn..no LAX, SNA, BUR, ONT, LGB!!
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:54 pm

Give it time people.... they're just starting up..... they're doing the right thing, taking their time. More cities will follow....
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:00 am

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Anyone know what callsign they will use? Mid Ex?



I'm guessing that like all of these other startups, they will use Elites callsign. Fortunately, Elite has a pretty cool callsign "Mainer"
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:05 am

CRJ-200??
To start an airline!?!?!


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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:08 am

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If I recall correctly the new jetbridge is D28. It's been up for quite a few months and is a common-use gate -- it got some activity during the winter-spring peak.

Well based on the pictures I've seen from today it is indeed D35. In fact, that's where the press conference occurred. I guess that could indicate it will be the gate they will be using.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 12:40 am

My one experience as a passenger on a CRJ200 had me inhaling lavatory fumes from my seat directly across the aisle from it. I was actually beside the door so I got an extra whiff when the occupancy changed. I simply cannot imagine starting an airline with this kind of plane. Whoever has to sit there should get 2 cookies.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:06 am

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Gods, that livery is absolutely heinous. The "Midwest Express" titles are in freaking ARIAL, and the tail logo looks like an amateurish recreation of the old ME logo as seen in my avatar.

I'm sure that Republic probably still retains some rights to the "Midwest Airlines" name and the blue/red/gold/white branding colors, so doing any sort of blue/white livery might have been out of question to avoid infringement (and white livery with minimal details is cheaper to paint), but they could have still hired someone with an actual degree and education in graphic design to come up with a livery/branding design for them.

Also, any idea on what their IATA code is going to be? Last I knew, Republic was still using the YX code for themselves.


The IATA code will likely be whatever Elite has since they're the ones operating it.

As for the livery, you're right, there's nothing special about it at all. It's all probably vinyl lettering, stripe, and logo, so much cheaper than full paint, but given what you can do with vinyl printing, they could have made a really awesome livery.


You're probably right about it being Elite's code, but it may end up being something different since the new ME is a separate business and Elite is operating for them under a dba arrangement. ICAO callsigns will remain the same on the ops side, however.

Also, while printed vinyl wraps are super cool, maintaining them on an aircraft would be a nightmare. The vinyl wraps that Frontier uses for the animals on its tail have a few layers of clearcoat applied on top to protect them and keep them from peeling; they'd likely have to do the same to the whole fuselage.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:06 am

If anyone saw the presser, Elites CEO said that they had CRJ 900's coming. Maybe they will move up to these. If you do the paperwork right, how long does it take to get an AOC from the Feds???
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:01 am

sunking737 wrote:
If anyone saw the presser, Elites CEO said that they had CRJ 900's coming. Maybe they will move up to these. If you do the paperwork right, how long does it take to get an AOC from the Feds???


We don't have AOCs in the US.

The DOT economic authority might take a year. The FAA Air Carrier Certificate depends upon how astute your operations team is, and how busy the FAA is.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:06 am

Any startup date?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:29 am

MO11 wrote:
sunking737 wrote:
If anyone saw the presser, Elites CEO said that they had CRJ 900's coming. Maybe they will move up to these. If you do the paperwork right, how long does it take to get an AOC from the Feds???


We don't have AOCs in the US.

The DOT economic authority might take a year. The FAA Air Carrier Certificate depends upon how astute your operations team is, and how busy the FAA is.



AOC and Air Carrier Certificate are roughly the same in practice. Different nomenclature.

Conformity for a -900 requires a training program, maintenance program, op specs and an AOM to be written/'accepted'. It can take days to months depending on a 121 carrier's CMO and how flexible they are.
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:53 am

sigh...
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:40 am

They have a plan, and I am confident that they will get it working out. Very hopeful to see this venture succeed!
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:40 am

I asked my 6 yr-old daughter if she designed the Midwest Express logo and livery.

particularly fond of the 8x11.5 printed paper in captains window 'Operated by Elite Airways.'

Folks, in the graveyard of hundreds of airline who launched like this, this has all the makings of a boondoggle. Wait until their 2 CRJ's go tech.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:46 am

SierraPacific wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
Anyone know what callsign they will use? Mid Ex?



I'm guessing that like all of these other startups, they will use Elites callsign. Fortunately, Elite has a pretty cool callsign "Mainer"


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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:47 am

So what’s the O&D on those announced routes out of MKE?

Somehow I cannot see a handful of pax each way per day, maybe 10 or 15, to pay the costs of a Crj200, my guess a few other routes might’ve had better chances at the sacrifice of frequency or utilization.
 
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Re: Midwest Express Route Announcements-August 28th

Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:26 am

Some more tidbits:

https://biztimes.com/first-destinations ... lines/?amp

The Midwest Express flights will be offered on 50-seat Bombardier CRJ 200 aircraft, including the plane on display at the press conference on Wednesday.

“The nice thing about the airplane, for the kind of routes we’re starting on, it’s exactly what we want,” Aretakis said. “We were seeking out a partner airline that operated this airplane type.”

When asked how the in-flight seating experience on the new Midwest Express will compare to the original, Aretakis said, “We have leather seats on this airplane, they have extended legroom.” However, “the big seats (that Midwest Express used to have) frankly, they’re a good idea, but they’re not a today idea.”

Passengers on the new Midwest Express will not be charged fees for bags or additional services, Aretakis said.

“One of our hallmarks will be no fees,” he said. “The way the airline business used to be, you buy your ticket and you get all of the components as a part of that. We’ll have complimentary snacks, and we’ll have cookies.”
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