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2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:06 am

Orange County is out with its annual slot and seat capacity allocation for John Wayne Airport for the 2020 calendar year.

The 2020 daily departure slot allocation and annual passenger capacity allocation for each carrier is as follows:

Alaska - 16 / 1,610,942
American - 18 / 2,152,952
Compass - 4 / 222,528
Delta - 11 / 1,262,203
FedEx - .724 / 0
Frontier - 2 / 267,912
Horizon - 4 / 224,387
Southwest - 36 / 3,833,279
United - 19 / 2,159,452
UPS - .615 / 0
WestJet - 1 / 98,088

Note:
• 5 AS slots shall to be operated by SkyWest
• 2 UA slot shall be operated by Skywest

Overall total slots awarded are down as air carrier requested seat capacity was far in excess of the airport's annual passenger limit. (almost 4mil additional seats). In other words, carriers are operating larger gauge aircraft, so fewer total movement are possible to stay within passenger allocation. The slot losers vs. 2019 are AS -1, DL -4, WN -5

There are no new entrant carriers for 2020 again.

Lastly, County allocates overnight parking spots due limited gate and ramp space. The 2019 allocation is:
AA – 5
AS – 4
DL – 4
CP – 1
UA – 6
WN - 8

(for record Delux Air (JetSuiteX) is permitted to operate out of the FBO with an annual limit of 95.070 passengers. Should it exceed this it would need to relocate to the main terminal)

Source: County of Orange Airport Division
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:11 am

I wonder how the Compass slots will work when Compass no longer flies DL Connection flights. currently at SNA, CO flies exclusively for DL.
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:40 am

Poor wn just continues to lose slots. I wonder where they are trim flights.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:15 am

Does SNA allow carriers to re-sell slots?
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:20 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Does SNA allow carriers to re-sell slots?

Hard no on that one.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:33 am

tphuang wrote:
Poor wn just continues to lose slots. I wonder where they are trim flights.


They still have the most.
 
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HP69 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Poor wn just continues to lose slots. I wonder where they are trim flights.


They still have the most.


WN is going to be reducing SNA-DAL nonstop service from year-round nonstop service to seasonal nonstop service after January 5, 2020, and WN is also increasing DAL-LAX nonstop to 6 daily nonstops from 5 daily nonstops starting on January 6, 2020.

WN is also dropping SNA-HOU nonstop service after November 2, 2019 except for Saturday-only holiday nonstop service on November 23rd, November 30th, December 21st, and December 28th.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:00 pm

I imagine this marks the end of DTW-SNA on DL, at least for now. They'll also have to cut an ATL-SNA frequency (it had been operating at 4x daily, I believe). Or, they could cut SLC back from 5x daily to 4x daily to allow DTW to continue or ATL to remain at 4x daily.
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:00 pm

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I wonder how the Compass slots will work when Compass no longer flies DL Connection flights. currently at SNA, CO flies exclusively for DL.


No they don’t. Looking today, just at SNA-LAS for Delta, there are 4 flights operated by OO. SEA is operated by Compass, so common sense says DL will just drop the 4X daily LAS for the 4 slots they’re losing.
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:18 pm

LAXintl wrote:
(for record Delux Air (JetSuiteX) is permitted to operate out of the FBO with an annual limit of 95.070 passengers. Should it exceed this it would need to relocate to the main terminal)

Source: County of Orange Airport Division


Would love to see JSX fly SNA-CCR.
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 1:25 pm

Someone enlighten me....why do they punish their top carrier (WN), who presumably brings them the most revenue etc., but keeps reducing their slot count each year? Seems to me the process is too arbitrary.
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:56 pm

So fewer flights with larger gauge aircraft. Interesting.

Thanks for posting!
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:13 pm

WN I can see the elimination of 2 DAL,1 HOU,1 SJC and 1 SJD.

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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:14 pm

I'm curious to see if AC will add YYZ-SNA & YVR-SNA with the A220 fleet coming next year. YYZ-SJC will be a test to see if SNA can work too.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:23 pm

Jamake1 wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
(for record Delux Air (JetSuiteX) is permitted to operate out of the FBO with an annual limit of 95.070 passengers. Should it exceed this it would need to relocate to the main terminal)

Source: County of Orange Airport Division


Would love to see JSX fly SNA-CCR.


If you can convince enough people to fly (and pay) for it, I think it would be feasible. But it's pretty clear from an outsider's perspective that CCR isn't too hot of a station. Everything else gets frequency & station additions, but CCR maintains it's minimum standards.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:31 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Does SNA allow carriers to re-sell slots?


No. Slots can only transfer if the entire company is sold/merged.

wntex wrote:
Someone enlighten me....why do they punish their top carrier (WN), who presumably brings them the most revenue etc., but keeps reducing their slot count each year? Seems to me the process is too arbitrary.


They are not being punished, but the reality is they only hold 17 permanent Class-A slots. The entire rest of their operations are reliant on two other classes of slots that are either voluntarily traded out for double the number of non-permanent slots subject to annual reallocation, or on slots which are essentially fill in, and wholly reliant on annual max passenger enplanement cap before being issued. What is happening is as the airport seat capacity request exceeds the airport's annual limitation, these fill in extra slots get withdrawn to keep things below the cap.

The County retains 3 slots annually which would go to a new entrant (again none for 2020), these are subject to allocation at the mid-year point to existing operators depending on how things progress. Its highly likely SWA will make use of them.
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:34 pm

More airport stupidity in SoCal, what else is new.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:36 pm

wntex wrote:
Someone enlighten me....why do they punish their top carrier (WN), who presumably brings them the most revenue etc., but keeps reducing their slot count each year? Seems to me the process is too arbitrary.


That's okay. ONT, LAX, and BUR will be happy to take the money generated by the shortsighted stupidity going on in OC.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:37 pm

AS currently has up to 26 daily flights scheduled out of SNA. How is this possible if they only had 21 slots this year?
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:40 pm

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AS currently has up to 26 daily flights scheduled out of SNA. How is this possible if they only had 21 slots this year?


Is it all mainline or is it shared with OO and QX? I believe some of that would fall under the "Regional carrier slots" which are seperate.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:51 pm

Thanks for the annual thread.

Whats the annual passenger cap? Was it not lifted a few yeas ago?
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:54 pm

What is the annual passenger cap at SNA? Is it roughly 12 million as implied by the first post?
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:57 pm

WN732 wrote:
heretothere wrote:
AS currently has up to 26 daily flights scheduled out of SNA. How is this possible if they only had 21 slots this year?


Is it all mainline or is it shared with OO and QX? I believe some of that would fall under the "Regional carrier slots" which are seperate.


I just looked at the allocation document from last year, and it looks like AS/QX were actually assigned 25 slots (15 class A/10 class E) for 2019. So it looks like they’re actually losing 5 slots in 2020, which makes more sense.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:57 pm

Per 2014 settlement agreement 10.8mil through December 31, 2020, then rising to 11.8mil.

The annual allowed seat allocation is about +1mil since they use about projected 85% LF.
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 4:31 pm

WN732 wrote:
wntex wrote:
Someone enlighten me....why do they punish their top carrier (WN), who presumably brings them the most revenue etc., but keeps reducing their slot count each year? Seems to me the process is too arbitrary.


That's okay. ONT, LAX, and BUR will be happy to take the money generated by the shortsighted stupidity going on in OC.


Hmm... the smashing success that is ONT, with fewer passengers than it had 12 years ago. BUR hasn't grown, either, looking at BTS data back to 2006.

It seems SNA has a mechanism for fewer flights but more passengers if that's what they wanted.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:03 pm

Wow! WN is forced to cut service at SNA yet again. It sounds like the only daily nonstop flights WN will still offer from SNA are DEN, LAS, OAK, PHX, SJC and SMF. I believe SNA-SJD has already been reduced to seasonal service (never mind the fact that AS recently cut all SNA-PVR/SJD flights), and it sounds like SNA-DAL/HOU are now seasonal as well. We can probably forget about SNA-MDW coming back anytime soon! That new FIS sure won't be getting much use.. no wonder LGB decided against one!

Meanwhile, DL will probably cut SNA-DTW just like it did SNA-JFK. After all, if they don't have the slots...
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:15 pm

WN732 wrote:
heretothere wrote:
AS currently has up to 26 daily flights scheduled out of SNA. How is this possible if they only had 21 slots this year?


Is it all mainline or is it shared with OO and QX? I believe some of that would fall under the "Regional carrier slots" which are seperate.


Regional slots are for aircraft with 70 or fewer seat and under a certain weight, which I don't remember. Basically a cjr700 is the largest regional.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:53 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
wntex wrote:
Someone enlighten me....why do they punish their top carrier (WN), who presumably brings them the most revenue etc., but keeps reducing their slot count each year? Seems to me the process is too arbitrary.


That's okay. ONT, LAX, and BUR will be happy to take the money generated by the shortsighted stupidity going on in OC.


Hmm... the smashing success that is ONT, with fewer passengers than it had 12 years ago. BUR hasn't grown, either, looking at BTS data back to 2006.

It seems SNA has a mechanism for fewer flights but more passengers if that's what they wanted.


Although ONT has had a terrible decline, you cannot deny the recent resurgence in flights which shows no signs of letting up.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:59 pm

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Although ONT has had a terrible decline, you cannot deny the recent resurgence in flights which shows no signs of letting up.


ONT is throwing money at airlines.

More interesting will be when the incentives run out and flights must stand on their own feet.

Also sooner or later a recession will arrive which will lead to culling of weaker markets.

SNA on the other hand has an excess of demand with airlines seeking far more flying than allowed.
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UPlog wrote:
WN732 wrote:

Although ONT has had a terrible decline, you cannot deny the recent resurgence in flights which shows no signs of letting up.


ONT is throwing money at airlines.

More interesting will be when the incentives run out and flights must stand on their own feet.

Also sooner or later a recession will arrive which will lead to culling of weaker markets.

SNA on the other hand has an excess of demand with airlines seeking far more flying than allowed.


Most airports offer incentives and more often than not, the incentives work and are successful. No one is refuting that SNA is a high demand airport. My problem is that the county throws out these arbitrary numbers and caps the airport while screwing their largest tenant over and over and over again.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:17 pm

WN732 wrote:
Most airports offer incentives and more often than not, the incentives work and are successful. No one is refuting that SNA is a high demand airport. My problem is that the county throws out these arbitrary numbers and caps the airport while screwing their largest tenant over and over and over again.


The county isn't screwing Southwest by any means. Southwest is fully aware of how their slot portfolio at SNA works and they have exploited it for a long time when other carriers weren't in a position to expand at SNA. Once other carriers were in a position to expand, the extra slots WN had were cutback but that was always the risk that WN was taking as they knew the slot rules very well. Usually when the mid-year allocation comes around for the excess capacity that was unawarded, WN asks for those to add some more flights (although this year I could see AS and AA also making a play for them). It is competitive dynamics and every airline plays by the same slot rules in SNA.
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 6:23 pm

WN732 wrote:
My problem is that the county throws out these arbitrary numbers and caps the airport while screwing their largest tenant over and over and over again.


As stated prior, SWA only holds 17 permanent Class-A slot at SNA. Everything beyond that is subject to reallocation.
Also SWA a few years ago voluntarily permanently traded 7 held Class-A slots, for 14 Class-E slots which are allocated on an annual basis and are subject to airport's passenger cap.
In trading permanent departure authorizations for ones subject to reallocation it knowingly took a gamble. (which paid off for many many years).
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 7:41 pm

Southwest greatly benefited by the system at SNA for ages picking up unwanted slots.

Now that other operators want to grow its logical SWA will lose access to the supplemental slots which were never permanent anyhow.

Suppose recent growth at nearby LGB can help offset things to some degree.
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:38 pm

For comparison below are permanent Class-A departure authorization held by airlines. Anything awarded beyond is subject to annual redistribution.

Alaska - 15
American - 18
Compass - 4
Delta - 8
FedEx - .724
Frontier - 2
Horizon - 3
Southwest - 17
United - 17
UPS - .615
WestJet - 1
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 8:53 pm

LAXintl wrote:
For comparison below are permanent Class-A departure authorization held by airlines. Anything awarded beyond is subject to annual redistribution.

Alaska - 15
American - 18
Compass - 4
Delta - 8
FedEx - .724
Frontier - 2
Horizon - 3
Southwest - 17
United - 17
UPS - .615
WestJet - 1


Small correction, AS has 12 and QX has 3 for a combined 15.
 
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What happened to the rumor of Hawaiian starting service there with the A321
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:49 pm

The Delta flights from SNA to Las Vegas felt like slot squatter routes. I don’t think anyone will miss that service.

Southwest growing Long Beach while they lose SNA slots makes sense. LGB and SNA are only 20 miles apart.
 
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What happened to the rumor of Hawaiian starting service there with the A321


I wonder how bad the payload hit would be from The short runway at SNA. They likely would have to block some seats
 
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WN732 wrote:
More airport stupidity in SoCal, what else is new.


It has nothing to do with stupidity. The county authorities are answerable to the people who employ them and there are strict limits. This has been known forever given where the airport is located relative to surrounding neighborhoods. Airlines are justified in then charging more for the convenience of folks flying out of SNA rather than hiking elsewhere.

What seems to be lost on many folks is Southern California is densely populated with mountains on the eastern flank so everyone is squashed in the coastal plain. Population growth has brought California to this place; we have no way of keeping out all the yahoos from Ohio, Michigan etc from escaping the weather/economic conditions so that means adjustments must be made.

Folks just need to get real about what is going on; you can't have a 24/7 airport next to neighborhoods anymore, folks won't stand for it so adjustments must be made.
 
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FSDan wrote:
I imagine this marks the end of DTW-SNA on DL, at least for now. They'll also have to cut an ATL-SNA frequency (it had been operating at 4x daily, I believe). Or, they could cut SLC back from 5x daily to 4x daily to allow DTW to continue or ATL to remain at 4x daily.

Isn't DL's SNA-ATL only 3x daily? Two morning departures and one afternoon?
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DTWLAX wrote:
FSDan wrote:
I imagine this marks the end of DTW-SNA on DL, at least for now. They'll also have to cut an ATL-SNA frequency (it had been operating at 4x daily, I believe). Or, they could cut SLC back from 5x daily to 4x daily to allow DTW to continue or ATL to remain at 4x daily.

Isn't DL's SNA-ATL only 3x daily? Two morning departures and one afternoon?
I hope they keep SNA-DTW


I believe it might vary, but I've seen ATL-SNA offered at 4x daily within the last few months.

Unfortunately for DTW, I think DL will want to keep 5x daily SLC, 3x daily MSP, and 3x daily ATL to fill out their mainline portfolio. Although who knows... maybe they could reduce MSP-SNA to 2x daily and upgauge them both to 199-seat 752s, while keeping DTW as well for different connectivity options.
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Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
What happened to the rumor of Hawaiian starting service there with the A321


I wonder how bad the payload hit would be from The short runway at SNA. They likely would have to block some seats


I believe AS looked at SNA-Hawaii with the 737-800 and they'd have to block about 20 seats...not practical.
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:57 pm

For anyone interested in the airport’s history, including commercial jet growth and noise abatement, here is an article for you.

https://www.newportbeachca.gov/governme ... ory-of-jwa

You can see the numbers of flights has increased since the 1970s until now some 45 years later. You can see reference to the various laws and lawsuits about airport growth and noise. It’s a very old issue.

I recall Nixon landing in Airforce One in the early 70s. The plane got the neighbors disturbed when it took off. So all that has happened has gone on for decades. It has been an evolution and it appears some commenters are unaware of this long history.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:02 pm

So B6 yet again does not ask for any slots?? Are they waiting for the 220 or what?
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:27 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
What happened to the rumor of Hawaiian starting service there with the A321


I wonder how bad the payload hit would be from The short runway at SNA. They likely would have to block some seats


I believe AS looked at SNA-Hawaii with the 737-800 and they'd have to block about 20 seats...not practical.


If Alaska could use their 737-700 that would be possible, but Alaska doesn't usually ever fly them into SNA (Nor is it ETOPS I think) Also Alaska just finished flying their two remaining flights to Mexico earlier this month, so only Southwest's SNA to SJD is the airports only International flight remaining, and I heard that flight will be ending soon since customs have to be sent in from LAX and its not cheap to send them in for only one flight. Sad how the airport invested so much for having a CBP and it will close down since no one else is using it.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Fri Aug 30, 2019 5:34 pm

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Web500sjc wrote:
I wonder how the Compass slots will work when Compass no longer flies DL Connection flights. currently at SNA, CO flies exclusively for DL.


No they don’t. Looking today, just at SNA-LAS for Delta, there are 4 flights operated by OO. SEA is operated by Compass, so common sense says DL will just drop the 4X daily LAS for the 4 slots they’re losing.



Yes, but what happens to the 4 class A slots CP currently owns. For all intents a purposes, they are slots CP picked up at the request of DL, they are slots that have only been used for DL connection flight, but they are owned by CP. By the end of 2020, CP will no longer fly for DL- will the slots be “traded” to DL, flown by CP as AA Eagle flights, or returned to the county for reallocation.

As it currently stands, DL is either happy with their slot portfolio (which includes the CP slots), or willing to slot squat, so I don’t imagine DL would like to loose access to the slots. WN is always willing to take extra slots at this airport, so This would be an opportunity for permanent WN expansion, and I am sure this wouldn’t go un noticed by AA, F9, AS and UA.
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Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:14 pm

brabb12 wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:

I wonder how bad the payload hit would be from The short runway at SNA. They likely would have to block some seats


I believe AS looked at SNA-Hawaii with the 737-800 and they'd have to block about 20 seats...not practical.


If Alaska could use their 737-700 that would be possible, but Alaska doesn't usually ever fly them into SNA (Nor is it ETOPS I think) Also Alaska just finished flying their two remaining flights to Mexico earlier this month, so only Southwest's SNA to SJD is the airports only International flight remaining, and I heard that flight will be ending soon since customs have to be sent in from LAX and its not cheap to send them in for only one flight. Sad how the airport invested so much for having a CBP and it will close down since no one else is using it.



Yeah it’s a real shame. It’s such a quick processing experience with customs at SNA. From the plane to the curb in literally 15-20 minutes. Surprised all these flights were getting cut. any flight I took to PVR and SJD from SNA on either WN or AS were always completely full.
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:18 pm

MrBretz wrote:
For anyone interested in the airport’s history, including commercial jet growth and noise abatement, here is an article for you.

https://www.newportbeachca.gov/governme ... ory-of-jwa

You can see the numbers of flights has increased since the 1970s until now some 45 years later. You can see reference to the various laws and lawsuits about airport growth and noise. It’s a very old issue.

I recall Nixon landing in Airforce One in the early 70s. The plane got the neighbors disturbed when it took off. So all that has happened has gone on for decades. It has been an evolution and it appears some commenters are unaware of this long history.


Nixon used El Toro on his visits to San Clemente, not SNA, as the latter did not have the runway length to handle 707 ops.
 
brabb12
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:22 pm

nine4nine wrote:
brabb12 wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:

I believe AS looked at SNA-Hawaii with the 737-800 and they'd have to block about 20 seats...not practical.


If Alaska could use their 737-700 that would be possible, but Alaska doesn't usually ever fly them into SNA (Nor is it ETOPS I think) Also Alaska just finished flying their two remaining flights to Mexico earlier this month, so only Southwest's SNA to SJD is the airports only International flight remaining, and I heard that flight will be ending soon since customs have to be sent in from LAX and its not cheap to send them in for only one flight. Sad how the airport invested so much for having a CBP and it will close down since no one else is using it.



Yeah it’s a real shame. It’s such a quick processing experience with customs at SNA. From the plane to the curb in literally 15-20 minutes. Surprised all these flights were getting cut. any flight I took to PVR and SJD from SNA on either WN or AS were always completely full.
Whats more is that the city isn't pushing the airlines or trying to get others to come to start new service into SNA. When you look at ONT or BUR for example they are always trying to get new airlines or service to somewhere. It seems like SNA airport doesn't care at all. It would be nice to have a new airline or two there, along with maybe a flight to hawaii? The only airline I could see (trying) Hawaii service again would maybe be UA.
 
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Re: 2020 SNA Slot Allocation released

Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:45 pm

DCAfan wrote:
MrBretz wrote:
For anyone interested in the airport’s history, including commercial jet growth and noise abatement, here is an article for you.

https://www.newportbeachca.gov/governme ... ory-of-jwa

You can see the numbers of flights has increased since the 1970s until now some 45 years later. You can see reference to the various laws and lawsuits about airport growth and noise. It’s a very old issue.

I recall Nixon landing in Airforce One in the early 70s. The plane got the neighbors disturbed when it took off. So all that has happened has gone on for decades. It has been an evolution and it appears some commenters are unaware of this long history.


Nixon used El Toro on his visits to San Clemente, not SNA, as the latter did not have the runway length to handle 707 ops.


He landed at SNA one time before moving to El Toro. I know because I went to see it. I will see if I can find a link. But like I said, I drove out there to see Air Force One.

Edit: Here's link about it. It is obit for the ex manager of the airport who told Nixon not to land the plane but his pilot did.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm ... story.html

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