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Njyashar
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British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:30 am

Hello,
I was wondering when British Airways will stop using their 747 on the Seattle-London route (BA48). I’m planning a vacation to the UK and I was wondering how much time I have to include the 747 on the trip. I know they will be retiring all of them by 2024 but will this route be operated by a 747 until then?
Thanks!
 
Longhornmaniac
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:42 am

Absolutely no one has any way of knowing this at this point, not even the people who are paid to make these decisions.
Cheers,
Cameron
 
superbizzy73
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 1:53 am

Just friendly advice...definitely check when you book your flight. BA also flies the 777-200ER into KSEA as well (as you probably might know). If memory serves me correctly, they’ve even flown in the 777-300ER’s on occasion. So, I’d definitely check when you decide to book it.
 
PDXpat
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:20 am

It's double daily during summer season, with 747-400 and 777 (the latter sometimes flown by 777-300ER).
 
leftcoast8
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:11 am

PDXpat wrote:
It's double daily during summer season, with 747-400 and 777 (the latter sometimes flown by 777-300ER).


To add to this...

In winter, the morning flight (BA52/53) is a 3 weekly 772, Th/Fr/Sa. The evening flight (BA48/49) is a daily 772. Whatever the season, it'll almost always be 4-class 772s (with 14 First, 48 Club World and 40 WTP seats). But on extremely rare occasions, a 48J/24W or even a 3-class 772 may show up; or if you're especially lucky, a 77W (a couple of summers ago the 77W was daily to SEA); it's all dependent on what LHR has available.

As for when the 744 will be replaced. Well, since Seattle is a premium-heavy destination that gets the Super Hi-J 744s, it will probably be one of the first in BA's network to get the 4-class 777-9X, when they arrive in 2021-22 (or whenever Boeing feels like it...)

Nobody asked, but here's the situation at YVR for comparison. Winter is a daily mid-J 744, and summer (May 1-September 30) is a daily A380. This was a matter of pragmatism: Air Canada went double daily on YVR-LHR starting in S16, so BA's pre-existing 12x weekly summer schedule would have resulted in an oversupply of seats. And YVR had already been moved to Terminal 3 at Heathrow (along with a handful of other low-yield routes) back in October 2015, T3 had available A380 gates, YVR has two double-decker airbridges, it was a win-win. YVR will almost certainly be one of the last destinations to have the 744s replaced with the new A350-1000, maybe by 2023 or 2024.
 
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:40 am

Moving to T3 isn’t down to yields, MIA is thrice daily from there and YVR with an A380 offering F ain’t “low yielding”. It’s a mix of space and connections mix.
 
lhrsfosyd91
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:47 am

It's not a mix of connections and space. Nobody connects from YVR to AA flights.

It's a mix of route turnaround times, suitability for mid-J B747 and space.
 
whywhyzee
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:34 pm

It's not a mid J 747, those don't exist anymore (at least to the extent of my knowledge). BA has 86J and 52J 747s, the old 70J layout is no more.

As a FYI, YVR is the low J variant, where I believe SEA might actually see a mix of both depending on the day.
 
Andy33
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
It's not a mid J 747, those don't exist anymore (at least to the extent of my knowledge). BA has 86J and 52J 747s, the old 70J layout is no more.

As a FYI, YVR is the low J variant, where I believe SEA might actually see a mix of both depending on the day.


Mid-J is the 52J version, the old 70J verson was known as Hi-J, and the 86J is SuperHi-J, and years back there was even a low-J variety with less than 52J seats, long reconfigured away.
Don't ask me why these descriptions exist, I'm not the one who makes the names up.
 
lhrsfosyd91
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:48 pm

whywhyzee wrote:
It's not a mid J 747, those don't exist anymore (at least to the extent of my knowledge). BA has 86J and 52J 747s, the old 70J layout is no more.

As a FYI, YVR is the low J variant, where I believe SEA might actually see a mix of both depending on the day.


52J B747 is referred to as Mid-J and 86J as Super High-J
 
Andy33
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:08 pm

lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
It's not a mix of connections and space. Nobody connects from YVR to AA flights.

It's a mix of route turnaround times, suitability for mid-J B747 and space.


Certainly nobody would connect to AA at LHR from YVR, but they might perfectly well connect to other OneWorld airlines which use T3, or to other BA longhaul flights which also use T3, or to a whole raft of BA shorthaul flights from T3
 
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Re: British Airways 747 Seattle route

Fri Aug 30, 2019 6:22 pm

Andy33 wrote:
lhrsfosyd91 wrote:
It's not a mix of connections and space. Nobody connects from YVR to AA flights.

It's a mix of route turnaround times, suitability for mid-J B747 and space.


Certainly nobody would connect to AA at LHR from YVR, but they might perfectly well connect to other OneWorld airlines which use T3, or to other BA longhaul flights which also use T3, or to a whole raft of BA shorthaul flights from T3


There's no feed onto CX, JL, LA, QF, UL or RJ as those flights are not combinable on ba.com. Nobody in their right mind would go to HKG, HND, GRU, SIN or PER via LHR anyway. There's marginal traffic to HEL on AY (single digits a day).

Yes, the T3 LH does feed T3 SH but so does any other LH flight into T5. The criteria for long haul are mostly down to 24h turnaround time and the passenger demand that equals a mid J B747s. There's a reason why PHX is going to T5 and SAN to T3 and that's not because of changing connection flows.

SH destinations are chosen purely based on whoever can profitability fill an A320 multiple times a day. That's why you see LYS and LUX going to T5 this winter as they simply cannot fill an A320.

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