HURRICANE DORIAN Cancellations, Deviations, and Aftereffects Thread

kaminari · Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:22 am

And its official now that FLL will close at noon tomorrow.

catiii · Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:39 am

PBI Notam to close at 0600z on 9/2 through 1300z on 9/3.

maddogjt8d · Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:31 am

Anyone know what BahamasAir is doing with their fleet?

MKE22 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:44 am

rj777 wrote:
looks like MCO might be spared which works for me because I'm not flying into Florida until Saturday (9/7)

As of 5PM/ET today, MCO stated they will conduct normal operations for Monday 9/2. However, MLB is suspending all ops at 12pm local on 9/2. DAB will be closed all of 9/2 after their last flight tonight.

https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/new ... al-florida

barefootchris · Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:50 am

If my Google skills are on point, it looks like most are at NAS based on last flight records. One 735 at FLL, an AT76 at MHH (problematic) and an AT76 at ELH.

arcticcruiser · Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:53 am

This is among the more interesting TAFs I have seen. Freeport Bahamas:

MYGF 012300Z 0200/0224 33050G100KT 1600 +TSRA BKN012CB BKN090 OVC200
FM021300 VRB80G200KT 800 +TSRA BKN009CB OVC050

Bradin · Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:03 am

arcticcruiser wrote:
This is among the more interesting TAFs I have seen. Freeport Bahamas:

MYGF 012300Z 0200/0224 33050G100KT 1600 +TSRA BKN012CB BKN090 OVC200
FM021300 VRB80G200KT 800 +TSRA BKN009CB OVC050

Bless my soul. I don't believe I've ever seen a 50 knot wind and 100 knot gust!

Gulfstream500 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:04 am

The following airlines have added new destinations for travel waivers:

American: Charleston, South Carolina (CHS), Greenville, North Carolina (PGV), Hilton Head, South Carolina (HHH), Jacksonville, North Carolina (OAJ), Myrtle Beach, South Carolina (MYR), New Bern, North Carolina (EWN)

JetBlue: Savannah, Georgia (SAV), Charleston, South Carolina (CHS), Fort Lauderdale, FL (FLL), Fort Myers, FL (RSW), Jacksonville, FL (JAX), Orlando, FL (MCO), Palm Beach, FL (PBI), Sarasota, FL (SRQ), Tampa, FL (TPA)

Delta: Brunswick, GA (BQK), Daytona Beach, FL (DAB), Fort Lauderdale, FL (FLL), Fort Myers, FL (RSW), Gainesville, FL (GNV), Jacksonville, FL (JAX), Key West (EYW), Melbourne, FL (MLB), Miami, FL (MIA), Orlando, FL (MCO), Sarasota, FL (SRQ), Tallahassee, FL (TLH), Tampa, FL (TPA), Valadosta, GA (VLD), West Palm Beach (PBI).

United: Charleston, SC (CHS), Fayetteville, NC (FAY), Hilton Head Island, SC (HHH), Myrtle Beach, SC (MYR), Savannah, GA (SAV), Wilmington, NC (ILM), Ft. Lauderdale, FL (FLL), Ft. Myers, FL (RSW), Jacksonville, FL (JAX), Key West, FL (EYW), Miami, FL (MIA), Nassau, BS (NAS), Orlando, FL (MCO), Sarasota, FL (SRQ), Tampa, FL (TPA), West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)

I'm guessing that VA cities are likely going to be added to the list tomorrow.

Brickell305 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:27 am

maddogjt8d wrote:
Anyone know what BahamasAir is doing with their fleet?

NAS never closed.

mugler · Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:15 am

Brickell305 wrote:
maddogjt8d wrote:
Anyone know what BahamasAir is doing with their fleet?

NAS never closed.

If NAS and MIA were never closed I wonder why UP cancelled all their MIA flights yesterday?

smokeybandit · Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:49 am

https://twitter.com/Bahamaspress/status ... 73376?s=19

CRJ200flyer · Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:24 pm

5AM NHC Update.

Storm’s movement has slowed to an incredible 1 mph. Winds have slowed slightly with max sustained of 165 mph. Still a CAT 5 hurricane.

Just north of Fort Lauderdale to West Palm Beach is under a Tropical Storm Warning, and north of West Palm Beach to near Daytona Beach is under a hurricane warning.

Next NHC update is at 11AM Eastern, about 1.5 hours from now.

Revelation · Mon Sep 02, 2019 1:33 pm

Bradin wrote:
arcticcruiser wrote:
This is among the more interesting TAFs I have seen. Freeport Bahamas:

MYGF 012300Z 0200/0224 33050G100KT 1600 +TSRA BKN012CB BKN090 OVC200
FM021300 VRB80G200KT 800 +TSRA BKN009CB OVC050

Bless my soul. I don't believe I've ever seen a 50 knot wind and 100 knot gust!

And you can also now say you've seen an 80 knot wind and 200 knot gust as well.

ltbewr · Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:20 pm

I have to wonder if the airports in Freeport and other Northern Bahama islands will be functional in any way for the foreseeable future for normal use. They may need extensive repairs to function for evacuation and aid flights. At and beyond the airports infrastructure will be totally shattered, tourist facilities destroyed beyond economic repair, so likely after recovery, a sharp decline in demand for use of them.

303dk · Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:13 pm

ltbewr wrote:
I have to wonder if the airports in Freeport and other Northern Bahama islands will be functional in any way for the foreseeable future for normal use. They may need extensive repairs to function for evacuation and aid flights. At and beyond the airports infrastructure will be totally shattered, tourist facilities destroyed beyond economic repair, so likely after recovery, a sharp decline in demand for use of them.

For comparison, STT opened to regular commercial flights 22 days after Irma, but there were emergency ops just a few days after.

maps4ltd · Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:40 pm

ltbewr wrote:
I have to wonder if the airports in Freeport and other Northern Bahama islands will be functional in any way for the foreseeable future for normal use. They may need extensive repairs to function for evacuation and aid flights. At and beyond the airports infrastructure will be totally shattered, tourist facilities destroyed beyond economic repair, so likely after recovery, a sharp decline in demand for use of them.

We just booked STL-MIA-FPO for a Thanksgiving trip using Aadvantage miles. Fun times.
Edit: The booking was before the hurricane. Our family doesn't jump at the opportunity to explore ravaged infrastructure.

FlyingElvii · Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:48 pm

ltbewr wrote:
I have to wonder if the airports in Freeport and other Northern Bahama islands will be functional in any way for the foreseeable future for normal use. They may need extensive repairs to function for evacuation and aid flights. At and beyond the airports infrastructure will be totally shattered, tourist facilities destroyed beyond economic repair, so likely after recovery, a sharp decline in demand for use of them.

Freeport Airport was heavily damaged a few years ago in another hurricane, and was closed for several months. It was supposedly rebuilt to much higher standards. We will see what happens this time.

barefootchris · Mon Sep 02, 2019 3:54 pm

https://worldairlinenews.com/2019/09/02 ... der-water/

5 feet of water doesn't sound great....but some infrastructure is no doubt above ground level. Is there even any "high ground" there to move to?

chepos · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:00 pm

303dk wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I have to wonder if the airports in Freeport and other Northern Bahama islands will be functional in any way for the foreseeable future for normal use. They may need extensive repairs to function for evacuation and aid flights. At and beyond the airports infrastructure will be totally shattered, tourist facilities destroyed beyond economic repair, so likely after recovery, a sharp decline in demand for use of them.
For comparison, STT opened to regular commercial flights 22 days after Irma, but there were emergency ops just a few days after.

SJU after Maria was closed for a few days due to extensive damage to the airfield, nav equipment and the terminal. Relief flights where allowed first, airlines from the mainland started very limited ops a few days later, at first limited to daytime ops and certain destinations. I recall the chaos immediately in the aftermath, staff doing everything manually as best as they could, endless lines, generators barely functioning.

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ltbewr · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:01 pm

303dk wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I have to wonder if the airports in Freeport and other Northern Bahama islands will be functional in any way for the foreseeable future for normal use. They may need extensive repairs to function for evacuation and aid flights. At and beyond the airports infrastructure will be totally shattered, tourist facilities destroyed beyond economic repair, so likely after recovery, a sharp decline in demand for use of them.
For comparison, STT opened to regular commercial flights 22 days after Irma, but there were emergency ops just a few days after.

Yes, I am aware that STT was open shortly for evac/aid a few days later, and limited commercial flights less than a month later, but I don't think they saw as much damage as Freeport and other N. Bahama islands have faced.

chablack · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:17 pm

Anyone know what's up with JetBlue 1893? It took off from FLL, flew to Nassau, did an approach, broke off, and now is headed to RSW. Strange that they would fly all the way out there just to come back to Florida.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU ... /KFLL/KRSW

barefootchris · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:19 pm

Bahamas Air is operating out of NAS currently. An AT76 is currently en route NAS-HAV.

barefootchris · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:34 pm

Looks like JBU241 from MCO also attempted approach at NAS and is now heading elsewhere.

barefootchris · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:34 pm

Looks like JBU241 from MCO also attempted approach at NAS and is now heading elsewhere.

Eastern757 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:38 pm

Delta 337 B717 (N959AT) ATL-NAS did a miss approach at NAS and appears to be heading all the way back to Atlanta right now according to Flightradar24. jetBlue 1893 E190 (N329JB) FLL-NAS did multiple missed approaches at NAS and has just diverted to RSW due to FLL airport closure at 12:00. Also, jetBlue 241 E190 (N284JB) MCO-NAS just did a missed approach and seems to be heading back to MCO. I have no idea why NAS isn’t closed and it should be.

maps4ltd · Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:53 pm

Eastern757 wrote:
Delta 337 B717 (N959AT) ATL-NAS did a miss approach at NAS and appears to be heading all the way back to Atlanta right now according to Flightradar24.

Not to hijack the thread, but...Delta still flies 717s to NAS? I could've sworn that route was all 739; it was when I flew it.

tcfc424 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:04 pm

I read on Fox News that the entire island on which Nassau sits is without power at the moment. Perhaps that is the issue?

barefootchris · Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:07 pm

JetBlue (B6) appears to have 2 more en route to NAS: B6421 ( https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU421 ) and B6621 ( https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU621 ). What are they thinking, with 2 diversions already? Could these be relief flights already, getting people in position?

OB1504 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:23 pm

FLL ended all operations at 12:00 today.

Bahamasair, Corsair, Eurowings, Frontier, and GOL have cancelled all flights out of MIA today. Copa has cancelled all afternoon and evening flights into and out of MIA.

lindy field · Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:29 pm

FWIW, I saw what must have been the entire Silver Airways fleet parked at HSV (Huntsville) yesterday afternoon.

NWADC10BOS · Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:57 pm

barefootchris wrote:
JetBlue (B6) appears to have 2 more en route to NAS: B6421 ( https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU421 ) and B6621 ( https://flightaware.com/live/flight/JBU621 ). What are they thinking, with 2 diversions already? Could these be relief flights already, getting people in position?

B6 621 diverted to MCO without trying for NAS ... however ... B6 421 just landed in NAS, where the airport appears to be operating, as UP 382 (ATR) left NAS about 20 minutes ago for LGI (https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BHS382). For B6, one out of two ain't bad, considering the situation to the north of NAS.

Flightaware shows an inbound BA 772 from LHR (BA 253 - https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW253) - NAS appears to be a stop on the way to GCM.

303dk · Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:06 pm

ltbewr wrote:
303dk wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
I have to wonder if the airports in Freeport and other Northern Bahama islands will be functional in any way for the foreseeable future for normal use. They may need extensive repairs to function for evacuation and aid flights. At and beyond the airports infrastructure will be totally shattered, tourist facilities destroyed beyond economic repair, so likely after recovery, a sharp decline in demand for use of them.
For comparison, STT opened to regular commercial flights 22 days after Irma, but there were emergency ops just a few days after.

Yes, I am aware that STT was open shortly for evac/aid a few days later, and limited commercial flights less than a month later, but I don't think they saw as much damage as Freeport and other N. Bahama islands have faced.

Both airports are basically at sea level, both hurricanes are/were blowing 185+ mph

OB1504 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:22 pm

OB1504 wrote:
FLL ended all operations at 12:00 today.

Bahamasair, Corsair, Eurowings, Frontier, and GOL have cancelled all flights out of MIA today. Copa has cancelled all afternoon and evening flights into and out of MIA.

Lufthansa, Norwegian, and SWISS have also cancelled MIA flights today.

Brickell305 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:26 pm

Eastern757 wrote:
Delta 337 B717 (N959AT) ATL-NAS did a miss approach at NAS and appears to be heading all the way back to Atlanta right now according to Flightradar24. jetBlue 1893 E190 (N329JB) FLL-NAS did multiple missed approaches at NAS and has just diverted to RSW due to FLL airport closure at 12:00. Also, jetBlue 241 E190 (N284JB) MCO-NAS just did a missed approach and seems to be heading back to MCO. I have no idea why NAS isn’t closed and it should be.

Storm conditions never got to the point in NAS where they needed to close. NAS is well south of FPO and the Abaco islands. Similar to the distance between Miami and Palm Beach.

However, the Lynden Pindling International Airport (LPIA) in Nassau is open and operating on its normal schedule.

“Nassau airport stakeholders continue to assess the movement and status of hurricane Dorian,” an advisory posted to the airport’s website reads. “On its current track, it is not anticipated that Nassau/Paradise Island will experience any storm conditions that would disrupt airport operations.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews ... pacts/amp/

CRJ200flyer · Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:02 pm

NHC 5PM Eastern Update

Storm is now a strong CAT 4. Currently sitting stationary. Outer rain bands are swirling across much of southern and central Florida.

YellowJ · Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:02 pm

tcfc424 wrote:
I read on Fox News that the entire island on which Nassau sits is without power at the moment. Perhaps that is the issue?

The airport has generators. The reason for the missed approaches is wind gusting, making the approach unstable.

backfire103 · Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:38 pm

https://twitter.com/MCO/status/1168620966559326208?s=20

MCO looks like they're closing 2a.m. tonight now.

Bradin · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:47 am

Fly.FAA.gov posted the following:

Due to HURRICANE DORIAN EXC EMERG ACFT AND MIL OPS AND FERRY 4 HR PPR, the Orlando International Airport (MCO) was closed as of Sep 03 at 02:00 AM EDT. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 04 at 05:00 PM EDT.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN APRON / AIR CARRIER RAMP CLOSED ONLY, the Daytona Beach International Airport (DAB) was closed as of Sep 02 at 06:00 PM EDT. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 05 at 07:59 PM EDT.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN, the Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International Airport (FLL) was closed as of Sep 02 at 12:00 PM EDT. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 03 at 12:00 PM EDT.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN AIRPORT CUST CLOSED ONLY, the FXE airport was closed as of Sep 02 at 12:00 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 05 at 04:00 UTC.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN, the ISM airport was closed as of Sep 02 at 18:00 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 05 at 11:00 UTC.
Due to CLOSED TO AIR CARRIERS, the Melbourne International Airport (MLB) was closed as of Sep 02 at 12:00 PM EDT. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 06 at 07:59 PM EDT.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN, the MYAM airport was closed as of Aug 31 at 19:00 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Aug 03 at 09:49 UTC.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN, the MYBS airport was closed as of Aug 31 at 17:30 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 03 at 16:00 UTC.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN, the MYEH airport was closed as of Aug 31 at 22:25 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 03 at 09:45 UTC.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN, the MYGF airport was closed as of Aug 30 at 02:00 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 03 at 10:00 UTC.
Due to CLOSED TO AIR CARRIERS / FBO CLOSED, the Palm Beach International Airport (PBI) was closed as of Sep 02 at 02:00 AM EDT. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 03 at 09:00 AM EDT.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN, the PMP airport was closed as of Sep 02 at 11:00 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 04 at 11:00 UTC.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN AP CLOSED EXC SAR, the SFB airport was closed as of Sep 03 at 03:00 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 04 at 16:00 UTC.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN OPEN-NOT ATTENDED, the SUA airport was closed as of Sep 02 at 02:00 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 05 at 11:00 UTC.
Due to HURRICANE DORIAN, the VRB airport was closed as of Sep 02 at 22:00 UTC. The date/time when the airport is expected to reopen is Sep 04 at 16:00 UTC.

chepos · Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:12 am

Posted in incorrect thread, please delete.

usxguy · Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:51 am

Marsh Harbour took on about 12 feet of water. Pics on Instagram using #marshharbourairport tag

Bradin · Tue Sep 03, 2019 4:55 am

Link to instagram for those looking or don't have an instagram account:

https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/ ... urairport/

FlyingElvii · Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:05 am

usxguy wrote:
Marsh Harbour took on about 12 feet of water. Pics on Instagram using #marshharbourairport tag

From twitter pics, it looks like the modern-built terminal survived, but no idea about the rest of it.

At Freeport, I can’t see much good news at all. While the terminal was just recently built, the runway is just yards away from the water in places. Given the wind direction and the severity of the surge, I’d be very surprised if that runway is not in pieces, and nearly everything but the terminal itself scrubbed clean.

readytotaxi · Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:21 am

This morning (3rd) both BA and Virgin have cancelled the LGW-MCO flights, lots of unhappy kids.

mikegigs · Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:26 pm

B6 621 is currently about 45 min from NAS. Taking a longer route around the hurricane but currently at FL 350 over the RSW-area, so doesn't look to be diverting (yet). The plane used (N809JB) is in their "JetBlue for Good" livery. Don't know if that's just a coincidence or if they purposely used this plane and it has some sort of aid aboard. Other than that FR24 showing no inbound flights to NAS.

Link: https://fr24.com/JBU621/21f386a2

CRJ200flyer · Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:15 pm

NHC 8AM Update

CAT 3 with 120mph winds. Storm is crawling northwest at 1 mph.

Eye appears to have weakened.

maps4ltd · Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:27 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
usxguy wrote:
Marsh Harbour took on about 12 feet of water. Pics on Instagram using #marshharbourairport tag

From twitter pics, it looks like the modern-built terminal survived, but no idea about the rest of it.

At Freeport, I can’t see much good news at all. While the terminal was just recently built, the runway is just yards away from the water in places. Given the wind direction and the severity of the surge, I’d be very surprised if that runway is not in pieces, and nearly everything but the terminal itself scrubbed clean.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Q1o0xDDDo

Link to video of MHH during storm.

Draken21fx · Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:59 pm

Situation in Freeport

https://twitter.com/kionnemcghee/status ... 6949954560

dabpit · Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:26 pm

Draken21fx wrote:
Situation in Freeport

https://twitter.com/kionnemcghee/status ... 6949954560

Wow, that is just devastating.

usxguy · Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:37 pm

Just added more pics to the Insta account, someone did a fly-by in a Caravan earlier today at Marsh Harbour. For some reason I can't link to here unless I upload to a server.

bspc · Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:16 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
Mike’s Weather Page
https://www.spaghettimodels.com/

Can we just talk abut that website though? Where do I even begin? LOL

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