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Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:19 pm

Curfew for Savanah, 9PM-6AM. Canceling the overnights, and moving overnight crews out now.
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 7:50 pm

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Can we just talk abut that website though? Where do I even begin? LOL

weather.com already has the "hype everything up for drooling idiots" angle covered, so Mike may as well rock the 90s style web site for nerds look.
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:23 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
This morning (3rd) both BA and Virgin have cancelled the LGW-MCO flights, lots of unhappy kids. :(


What's very interesting is this flight took off:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR15

After it departed it "diverted" to ATL. Did someone mess up here?

Oddly enough, VS website shows it "cancelled"

https://www.virginatlantic.com/flightin ... 2019-09-03
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:27 pm

Silver has 5 SAABs and 1 ATR-72 on the freight ramp at HSV.Also,there are about 20 Gulfstream jets on the FBO ramp here.Most are un painted.
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:33 pm

The devastation at Great Abaco Island is beyond imagination.
It could be the airport at 2:00, but it's hard to tell.

And oh the irony that the golf course is one of few things that survived quite well.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1168986319831388163?s=20
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:16 pm

The following flights touching Central America from September 03rd were so far stopped by Hurricane Dorian:
NK MCO-GUA
NK MCO-SAL
NK MCO-SAP
NK MCO-PTY
CM PTY-MCO
B6 MCO-SJO
NK MCO-SJO
CM FLL-PTY
B6 FLL-SJO
WN FLL-SJO
NK FLL-SJO
NK FLL-GUA
NK FLL-SAL
NK FLL-SAP
NK FLL-MGA
NK FLL-PTY
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:40 pm

Jalap wrote:
The devastation at Great Abaco Island is beyond imagination.
It could be the airport at 2:00, but it's hard to tell.

And oh the irony that the golf course is one of few things that survived quite well.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1168986319831388163?s=20


Treasure Cay Golf Club shouldn't have been the focus of that shot, but instead the shanty homes build along the Bootle highway between Marsh & Treasure, or even the homes at Treasure Cay.

Thankfully the water is shallow around TCB and not super deep out to the cays, so its a bit more protected than Marsh. Plus, TCB isn't built on a swamp.
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:14 am

bspc wrote:
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Can we just talk abut that website though? Where do I even begin? LOL


That thing was probably used during Katrina, and hasn't changed a bit.
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:19 am

Anyone know how MYNN held up?
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:05 am

Jalap wrote:
The devastation at Great Abaco Island is beyond imagination.
It could be the airport at 2:00, but it's hard to tell.

And oh the irony that the golf course is one of few things that survived quite well.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1168986319831388163?s=20


That is the airport. Looks like the new terminal survived, but the hangars are gone.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:07 am

usxguy wrote:
Jalap wrote:
The devastation at Great Abaco Island is beyond imagination.
It could be the airport at 2:00, but it's hard to tell.

And oh the irony that the golf course is one of few things that survived quite well.

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1168986319831388163?s=20


Treasure Cay Golf Club shouldn't have been the focus of that shot, but instead the shanty homes build along the Bootle highway between Marsh & Treasure, or even the homes at Treasure Cay.

Thankfully the water is shallow around TCB and not super deep out to the cays, so its a bit more protected than Marsh. Plus, TCB isn't built on a swamp.

It looks like the shanty area near the port was wiped out by containers that are littering the area. Nothing but concrete pads left.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:08 am

MavyWavyATR wrote:
Anyone know how MYNN held up?

A.netter Cameron MD80 has a video of the operations yesterday. Looks like Nassau missed the worst of it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ViWIUDbxV0U&t=196s
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:18 am

Spacepope wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
Anyone know how MYNN held up?

A.netter Cameron MD80 has a video of the operations yesterday. Looks like Nassau missed the worst of it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ViWIUDbxV0U&t=196s



Thanks for sharing. Rewind to the beginning and watch those approaches. That PC-12 at 1:43!! :ill: :ill: :ill: :ill: :ill:
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:08 pm

TWA302 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
Anyone know how MYNN held up?

A.netter Cameron MD80 has a video of the operations yesterday. Looks like Nassau missed the worst of it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ViWIUDbxV0U&t=196s



Thanks for sharing. Rewind to the beginning and watch those approaches. That PC-12 at 1:43!! :ill: :ill: :ill: :ill: :ill:


The takeoffs are quite spectacular to. Keep it straight... Keep it sorta straight... *pop* Oh hey we're already airborne!
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 1:59 pm

Spacepope wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
Anyone know how MYNN held up?

A.netter Cameron MD80 has a video of the operations yesterday. Looks like Nassau missed the worst of it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ViWIUDbxV0U&t=196s


It is my understanding that NAS never formally closed, and saw fewer diversions and/or cxlds than anticipated. New Providence and Andros didn't get it like Abaco and Grand Bahama.
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Re: HURRICANE DORIAN Cancellations, Deviations, and Aftereffects Thread

Wed Sep 04, 2019 2:10 pm

Grand Bahama airport terminal building....There is a roof...there is a concrete floor plate and a little rubble between...everything inside is just not any more there, it is just 100% gone to the maker.
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1168964627318878208

Just let us hope, the runways are OK or can be cleaned fast, so support by air is possible. Also I do not expect there are any storage building left, which still can be used.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:11 pm

I am supposed to be flying to YHZ on Saturday. It sounds like a high chance of Cat 1 or TD over Nova Scotia on Saturday. Anyone care to postulate if YHZ would be operating? I sincerely doubt it, but nothing official from westjet yet.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:29 pm

It will have fizzled out to a light breeze long before it gets anywhere near Nova Scotia.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:39 pm

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It will have fizzled out to a light breeze long before it gets anywhere near Nova Scotia.


I hope you are right, but some models are saying likely Cattegory 1 or strong TD when it hits there. Canada Hurricane centre shows max winds at 130km/h.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:41 pm

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It will have fizzled out to a light breeze long before it gets anywhere near Nova Scotia.

32knots with gusts up to 72 on Saturday evening. According to https://www.windy.com/44.650/-63.590?42.106,-59.700,6
You'd have to be used to quite some British winds to call that a light breeze ;)
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:36 pm

T4thH wrote:
Grand Bahama airport terminal building....There is a roof...there is a concrete floor plate and a little rubble between...everything inside is just not any more there, it is just 100% gone to the maker.
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1168964627318878208


Wow ... that's some props to whoever built that building ... one strong structure, for sure.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:43 pm

Treasure Cay / MYAT runway is apparently clear - but is NOT open for relief flights yet, just military and medical evacs.
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Re: HURRICANE DORIAN Cancellations, Deviations, and Aftereffects Thread

Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:58 pm

litz wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Grand Bahama airport terminal building....There is a roof...there is a concrete floor plate and a little rubble between...everything inside is just not any more there, it is just 100% gone to the maker.
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1168964627318878208


Wow ... that's some props to whoever built that building ... one strong structure, for sure.

Sorry but what is the primary job of a building? To protect everything inside of the building. Has anything inside of the building survived?
If the answer is no (and it is "NO", than the building will have been miserable failed. It has not done the job.

In German TV, just a short video has been shown from Grand Bahama Airport. Although not said, it is easily to identify a 3 to 4 m (minimum) high flood wave went through, according to this, all buildings parts (including the terminal building) up to 3 or 4 m are just gone, all walls washed away e.g.
And yes, there were some turboprops left and they are still there...torn into parts and these parts have been washed by the flood everywhere around.
Engine there, wingbody with wings somewhere else, fuselage parts...

Grand Bahama airport is not any more, these are concrete streets in the nowhere.

EDIT:
CNN Video of total destruction...and puzzle part of a small plane to identify...
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/weather/2019/09/04/freeport-grand-bahama-airport-devastation-crn-oppmann-sot-vpx.cnn

Another video, parts of these have been shown in German TV today.
https://www.wptv.com/news/world/dorian-leaves-grand-bahama-international-airport-in-tatters

Third video. Also parts have been used in German TV. Smashed birds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBe58pGSBwo
 
 
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Re: HURRICANE DORIAN Cancellations, Deviations, and Aftereffects Thread

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:50 pm

litz wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Grand Bahama airport terminal building....There is a roof...there is a concrete floor plate and a little rubble between...everything inside is just not any more there, it is just 100% gone to the maker.
https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/status/1168964627318878208


Wow ... that's some props to whoever built that building ... one strong structure, for sure.


Makes me think it was DESIGNED to blow out the interior, rather than the structure. Note the roof is still on. They knew they were building it next to water in a Hurricane Zone.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:22 pm

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What's very interesting is this flight took off:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR15

After it departed it "diverted" to ATL. Did someone mess up here?

Oddly enough, VS website shows it "cancelled"

https://www.virginatlantic.com/flightin ... 2019-09-03


The airplane that flew LGW-ATL flew on to MCO this afternoon and will fly to MAN tonight. Both legs are using VS76 as the flight number. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/VIR ... /KATL/KMCO

I, too, wonder what the purpose of flying to Atlanta was. VS could have simply flown LGW-MCO today and arrived at the same time as the ATL-MCO flight.
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:17 am

Re: Freeport airport. I watched all the videos provided in the thread, and I believe the terminal they show as destroyed in the CNN piece is the non-US departure terminal.

There are actually 2 terminals in FPO, and they are quite separated from each other. The US terminal is the one we can see in the video earlier in the thread (where the tarmac is completely submerged in water) that was shared via Twitter. You can tell the difference by looking at the railing outside the terminal.

I have been in and out of the US terminal at FPO many times so I wanted to clarify this for you guys. I haven't seen any post-hurricane pics/vids of the US terminal, and I remember it being a much stronger structure as it was rebuilt after a previous hurricane. Hopefully, it survived in a better shape than the non-US terminal

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Thu Sep 05, 2019 3:58 am

The NOAA radar app shows Cat 1 on Nova Scotia and Tropical Storm further up NW with Newfoundland right in the middle. Earlier today the predicted track was almost right through Gander, now it has shifted West. I didn't know hurricanes could go that far. How often does that happen? Like once a year, every 5 years, 10?
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:03 am

Anyone know why those aircraft were not moved.

Has anyone identified the planes written off, apart from PA31 N350MJ.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:43 am

Apart from the above, the ASN Wikibase on www.aviation-safety.net is showing a Cessna C340.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:19 pm

Per Flightaware, N350MJ hasn't flown in years. Unknown if that is accurate. Also, if you look at Google Maps, just east of the terminal, you can see some old junk aircraft lying around. Perhaps pieces of those were moved by the waves, etc. Honestly, I can't see wave movement ripping an aircraft apart unless it was already parted out, severely corroded, etc.

What about West End Airport and Marsh Harbour? FR24 shows aircraft ops happening at both. Hopefully som relief coming and and rescue heading out.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:27 pm

Per Flightaware, FPO is taking flights. Nothing commercial, but a steady stream of PC12’s, Kodiaks, and C208’s.
Likely relief and evacuation flights.
 
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Re: HURRICANE DORIAN Cancellations, Deviations, and Aftereffects Thread

Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:25 am

Dorian Is set to hit Halifax as a Cat 2 according to the latest models/predictions, I imagine YHZ will be announcing cancellations soon. I wouldn't play with this storm, I've been through many Hurricane but the pictures from the Bahamas seem more like Japan in 2011 than a Hurricane. How adept is Canada and YHZ to dealing with this kind of weather, dont mean to patronize but Sandy was “only” a Cat 1 and did unbelievable damage to the Northeast.
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:24 am

eal wrote:
Dorian Is set to hit Halifax as a Cat 2 according to the latest models/predictions, I imagine YHZ will be announcing cancellations soon. I wouldn't play with this storm, I've been through many Hurricane but the pictures from the Bahamas seem more like Japan in 2011 than a Hurricane. How adept is Canada and YHZ to dealing with this kind of weather, dont mean to patronize but Sandy was “only” a Cat 1 and did unbelievable damage to the Northeast.


The maritimes are equipped to deal with Hurricanes. While not common, they are not exactly rare either. Hurricane Juan hit and did a massive amount of damage, and as the area was rebuilt it was rebuilt to handle these types of things better. YHZ will no doubt either be closed or at the very least no airline will operate. I expect the same in YYG and YQY. YDF/YJT and possibly YQX could also see an impact.
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:27 am

My sister was due to fly to Halifax Saturday but is flying Monday. Flights appear to be cancelled for the afternoon already.
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:48 am

Dorian the Explorer has been quite a storm, records breaking in its stamina, nearly 3 weeks by the time its done. Record breaking in its Peak wind gusts for the Atlantic Basin at 228mph clocked on Abaco. Top 2 for its lowest pressure and ramp up time from Cat 1 to Cat 5 which occurred in under 30 hours (might have been less).

Sadly its final records will likely be the death toll to the Bahamas, and then the overall cost should put it top 2. All of these things will lead to the name being retired, which is the new normal, with climate change rolling harder every year.
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Re: HURRICANE DORIAN Cancellations, Deviations, and Aftereffects Thread

Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:08 pm

RobK wrote:
It will have fizzled out to a light breeze long before it gets anywhere near Nova Scotia.


There are people with the tools and skills to predict hurricane paths and strength 2-3 days out. You are not among them, apparently. From Environment Canada this morning:

3:31 AM ADT Saturday 07 September 2019
Hurricane warning in effect for:

Halifax Metro and Halifax County West
Hurricane force winds of 90 gusting to 130 km/h at exposed locations except 120 gusting to 150 km/h at the coast with surge of 0.7 to 1.0 m and waves from 4 to 7 m from Hurricane Dorian are expected.

Hurricane conditions are expected today as Dorian quickly approaches the region.

The current track has Dorian moving near Halifax this evening. Winds will increase throughout the day and will become severe by evening. Wind gusts up to 150 km/h are likely, especially along coastal areas.



Flooding is also possible along parts of the coast due to storm surge and rough pounding surf later today.


A fair number of hurricanes making U.S. East Coast landfall track into the Canadian Maritimes as substantial tropical storms if not still hurricanes.
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:21 pm

Isn't that area subject to NorthEastern storms fairly frequently? Those storms, while powered entirely differently from hurricanes, are powerful and long lasting - asea and ashore. They can, at least in our part of the country, match a 2-3 hurricane. Relevant to this thread those areas in Canada may be prepared for heavy winds.

A side note - death tolls appearing less than 100 from a storm as violent as Dorian are a tribute to modern weather forecasting, as well as the governments and citizens who support them. Less than a century ago there would have been thousands dying - also a tribute to people listening and preparing or evacuating, emergency responders, planners, and governments.
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:39 pm

Well, 9K is not very happy, given that ACK, MVY, and HYA are now under tropical storm warnings...
 
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Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:20 am

NWADTWE16 wrote:
Dorian the Explorer has been quite a storm


I'm gonna use that somewhere.
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Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:19 pm

There is limited access to the airport on Abasco Island, Bahamas, here is an article about relief/aid flights including the use of a WWII era C-47. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/causes-d ... id=U507DHP

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