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Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:59 am

Hello there from a pleasant IST airport morning; fall is around the corner.
I am about to jump on my return flight; IST-IAD; my second TK 787 flight :)





Here are some headlines to start our new thread:
-On Sept 10, TK to start flying the 787 to ATL and also IST-BOG-PTY-IST (fingers crossed)
-TK to start 4 x Weekly to Luxor toward the end of the month.
-TK to seperate IST-SGN and IST-HAN on 11 Sept.; Istanbul – Hanoi eff 11SEP19 6 weekly A330-200/-300
-1 more 77F for TK to arrive this month, ordered Nov 2018
-TK’s 5th 787 TC-LLF arrived, still waiting for the TC-LLE
-News about TK to start 7 x W to Xi’an, China and news about TK trying to lease few A350s from sources in China before getting their own 350s. Again, these are not confirmed yet.
-Strange, on my domestic TK flight yesterday I filled out the survey on the IFE and last two questions were about cosmetics. What cosmetic product would you like to see in the lavs? and What is the main reason when you choose a cosmetic product?? Today, I see the news that TK crews will be using Bobbi Brown cosmetics. On a personal note, 3 years ago I did a shoot with Bobbi Brown in NYC for 6 days. They are a pretty big brand and also a high end product.


Please continue with you views, news, photos, wishes, rumors.
Thanks for your continued participation.

**You can find last month’s thread here:
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:49 am

Hi all
I saw some expanation from Ilker Ayci, he was mentioning expansion in US, Sea, Mco and Las and expansion in SE Asia as well
He was referring to Cambodia, which I think is rational as an addition to BKK or Vietnam
Any rumor about. 359 routes?
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:43 am

Also, I would like to do a little review of my TK domestic flight last night:
DLM-IST on TK 2559, TC-LJI 77W, 3.3 yrs old, on Economy. One way fare purchased few days in advance was around $60.
Not sure about J, but Y was almost fully booked and with many INT transferring pax.
There was an announcement about the Turkish Victory Day which got an applause from the Turkish pax.
Uneventful, smooth flight over Izmir, following up the West Coast of Turkey to IST.
Landing on 34L (furthest West runway) and taxiing to Gate F9. I hate to report but from touchdown to full stop at the Gate took exactly 27 minutes with no ground traffic/congestion. Then another 10 minutes; by bus; to Baggage Claim. (I was on the first bus). 3rd runway production was going on at 10pm and that could not finish soon enough. 27 minute taxi for a 55 min total flight, there were lot of upset pax in the bus :(
Another thing I saw for the first time was how much dust/sand we were kicking up during taxi. It must be all due the 3rd runway construction. I wonder if this is having a negative effect on the grounded 10 x 737Maxs near that construction site.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:33 am

It seems that 5 A332 s will leave the fleet in 2020
Do we know which frames and is there possibility of extending lease periods?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:54 am

TC-LNA and -LNB are going to HiFly.
-LNB is in the Star Alliance c/s. No widebody with that livery will be left in the fleet. Will TK paint another one?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:31 pm

I noticed on Instagram that TK had two accidents (today?):

1. TC-JHL was damaged at IST when a truck damaged it when it hit the plane's nose (B738). This was the same plan that hit a dog on the runway after landing from Porto back in 2015.
2. Runway excursion by a B738 at IST
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 4:43 pm

Blerg wrote:
I noticed on Instagram that TK had two accidents (today?):

1. TC-JHL was damaged at IST when a truck damaged it when it hit the plane's nose (B738). This was the same plan that hit a dog on the runway after landing from Porto back in 2015.
2. Runway excursion by a B738 at IST


-JHL was yesterday, it's now back in service.
The excursion was today. -JHM

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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 5:36 pm

TK787 wrote:
I wonder if this is having a negative effect on the grounded 10 x 737Maxs near that construction site.


Thanks for a new thread. I presume they have the usual covers over the engines etc ?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:48 am

Turkish Airlines 789 TC-LLE being moved from paint hangar to flightline at PAE

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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:02 pm

PC will receive their first A321 this month. On what routes will they use their bird?
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:30 pm

When would TK launch SEA?

I know the Turkish community in Seattle has been lobbying hard to get this route.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:32 pm

Mystic wrote:
PC will receive their first A321 this month. On what routes will they use their bird?


Will this be a neo?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:16 pm

Blerg wrote:
Mystic wrote:
PC will receive their first A321 this month. On what routes will they use their bird?


Will this be a neo?


Yes.

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Source: https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/2019/06/a321-251nx-pegasus-airlines-d-avyi-tc.html

Cabin Flex config, same as the TK neos: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/07/airbus-delivers-the-first-a321neo-in-cabin-flex-configuration-to.html
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:28 pm

MoonC wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Mystic wrote:
PC will receive their first A321 this month. On what routes will they use their bird?


Will this be a neo?


Yes.

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Source: https://xfw-spotter.blogspot.com/2019/06/a321-251nx-pegasus-airlines-d-avyi-tc.html

Cabin Flex config, same as the TK neos: https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/07/airbus-delivers-the-first-a321neo-in-cabin-flex-configuration-to.html


That actually looks really nice. I think their livery looks the best on the A321neo.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:15 am

Japan just alloted 1 daily daytime frequency to Tokyo Haneda to Turkey effective Summer 2020.
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:55 am

ist2014 wrote:
It seems that 5 A332 s will leave the fleet in 2020
Do we know which frames and is there possibility of extending lease periods?


Yes two of these frames are TC-LNA & LNB (as already mentioned). The other three should be the TC-JIL / JIM / JIN leased from Jet AW of India since a long long time but with the present status of Jet AW, I wonder where they will end up. So consequently, TK's 332 fleet will be reduced to basically two versions: the 5 true-ER frames now fully owned by TK and the 8 ex-Tam ones leased from AerCap.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:29 am

Edited/Revised form of my below message:

Yes two of these frames are TC-LNA & LNB (as already mentioned). The other three should be the TC-JIL / JIM / JIN leased from Jet AW of India since a long long time but with the present status of Jet AW, I wonder where they will end up. (They are no longer leased from Jet, planespotters.net indicates a lessor as "TrueAero"). It's an interesting point that these frames had a very odd cabin configuration. They have a rather big business cabin having 10 rows of 1-1-1 layout seats. The economy cabin naturally shrank and could house only 190 seats. I wonder how economic these 3 birds flew for TK... So, I don't foresee any extensions for their leasing periods and wonder how the new lessor will find new customer (despite all three are under 12 years... Cycles & flight hours: unknown...) for them.

So consequently, TK's 332 fleet will be reduced to basically two versions: the 5 true-ER frames now fully owned by TK and the 8 ex-Tam ones leased from AerCap.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:32 am

They need to improve their customer relations and punctuality.
In last three weeks I missed two intercontinental flight connections in Istanbul. On the first occasion lady at help desk lied to me that the delay has to be 12+ hours to get a hotel, even though in their terms and conditions it says 8 hours. To get a telephone call which they should provide (actually two)? Haha. They are extremely good with sending you from one desk to another, but not really helping you. At least I will get 2x 600€ of delay compensation.
I seriously think I just creamed my pants without any influence from any outside variables.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 11:00 am

LAXintl wrote:
Japan just alloted 1 daily daytime frequency to Tokyo Haneda to Turkey effective Summer 2020.

Is this definitely confirmed? If yes, it will be a big bonus for TK, on top of the not-so-enjoyable NRT operations, particularly with 77Ws.

Any indication (yet) if any major Japanese carriede will start flying to Istanbul with their own equipment, rather than code-sharing with TK (as ANA does, currenty)?

Interesting article and analysis (see link below...):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 9799442ba6
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:44 pm

mafaky wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Japan just alloted 1 daily daytime frequency to Tokyo Haneda to Turkey effective Summer 2020.

Is this definitely confirmed? If yes, it will be a big bonus for TK, on top of the not-so-enjoyable NRT operations, particularly with 77Ws.

Any indication (yet) if any major Japanese carriede will start flying to Istanbul with their own equipment, rather than code-sharing with TK (as ANA does, currenty)?

Interesting article and analysis (see link below...):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhorton ... 9799442ba6


Why is the NRT operation "not so enjoyable" for TK?
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 2:37 pm

LLF made its first flight to LHR today.
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Mon Sep 02, 2019 5:40 pm

The only odd thing about TK NRT service was its timing, but that has been fixed in recent years.
There was a very long period that due to slot limitations that unlike the rest of Far East-IST service that are overnight flights that arrive IST early morning hours to allow for wide connections especially to Europe, the NRT flight arrived back into IST during the later afternoon/early evening which limited its beyond connectivity.

Will be intersting to see what TK does. They already announced increasing NRT from 7 to 11 weekly starting in April 2020. Suppose they can do Tokyo double daily - once each to NRT and HND.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:48 pm

All 5, 787's are in the air at the same time.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:19 pm

I've flown most of my Asia trips on TK and it's been a while. Am very happy to fly return to SGN soon, without intermittent HAN.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:00 pm

I have posted a message and analysis of "available Airbus 359s for lease" to a Turkish Forum.

The link: http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 60#7352860

Regretfully the message is in Turkish (as well as the included Excel table) and you will not be able to zoom that table unless you are a registered member of the said Turkish Forum. (I don't have any Flickr account or so, cannot post the table in .jpg mode; soorry!)

However, for those interested to see that table in full, I can send it to you by PM if and when requested.

The bottomline is that, there may be up to 9 (nine) 359 frames (within the foreseeable future) -- all originating from Hainan AL & Hong Kong AL as of today. Not only those 2 in Hainan AL livery and registration, currently stored at LDE in Europe. Don't know for which of these TK may be currently negotiating!
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Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:24 pm

Turkish Airlines 789 TC-LLE taxi test and first flight

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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:22 am

mafaky wrote:
I have posted a message and analysis of "available Airbus 359s for lease" to a Turkish Forum.

The link: http://wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 60#7352860

Regretfully the message is in Turkish (as well as the included Excel table) and you will not be able to zoom that table unless you are a registered member of the said Turkish Forum. (I don't have any Flickr account or so, cannot post the table in .jpg mode; soorry!)

However, for those interested to see that table in full, I can send it to you by PM if and when requested.

The bottomline is that, there may be up to 9 (nine) 359 frames (within the foreseeable future) -- all originating from Hainan AL & Hong Kong AL as of today. Not only those 2 in Hainan AL livery and registration, currently stored at LDE in Europe. Don't know for which of these TK may be currently negotiating!


Thanks for your post really appreciated but like you say there's a quite a few frames siting around in Toulouse and stored else where https://twitter.com/a350blog?lang=en If you look at the list here https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbpr ... ction-list The HX HU LN 323 Tianjin Airlines LN 338 Beijing Capital Airlines i doubt any will be delivered to these Chinese caries.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:45 am

Someone reported last month that VIE will be upgraded from A333 to B777. What other destinations in Europe get the 777 besides LHR and ATH?

On a side note, whoever watched the Turkey US match yesterday, I think Turkey won in our hearts.
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:20 am

Blerg wrote:
Someone reported last month that VIE will be upgraded from A333 to B777. What other destinations in Europe get the 777 besides LHR and ATH?


Amsterdam gets the B777 2x a day + 2x A330 and a A320 from Sabiha.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:17 pm

I’ve posted a detailed review of my last IST-IAD 787-9 J class flight recently, but it disappeared minutes after, so I will try to repost this shorter version:
After two long haul flights on the TK's 787-9, here are my likes and dislike of the J class seat:
-I like the comfort, privacy and aisle access of the seats I travelled (6A and 8A). These are the seats that are closer to the window and gives you more privacy, both armrest that go up and down. The seat feels great at upright and relaxed positions. I do like the fact that these seats get not one but two powerful gasper fans to give you a nice breeze. And the touchscreen IFE TV is huge and easy to reach from a sitting position.

-I really do not like the cubby hole where your feet goes during lie flat seat position. It is fine while sitting up but not while lying down. Imagine your lower body to be inside a 40 gallon drum. Every time I tried to turn, my feet/knees hit the sides/top, waking me up. On my last IST-IAD flight I got maybe 1/2 sleep due to this, it is really annoying. This is a big deal breaker for me. Another dislike is the fold out tray. When it is out, it does not swing or move out of the way. And when you have a 2 hour lasting first meal service, going to the bathroom is out of the question. And finally, these window seats get about 2 windows per seat but most of the view is blocked by the shape of the seat cocoon. Both my windows on my last flight were partially blocked. While sitting up right if I turned left to look outside all I would see is the side of my seat/headrest and I had to lean forward to see out the window.

To sum up;
I will try the Economy class on the 787 also when I can.
But as of now, I might choose the 787 J class on the Eastbound/shorter flights around 9 hours….
and go back to; tried and tested, 333/77W J class in the future.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 3:46 pm

How long will LHR see the 787s?
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 4:53 pm

Bos, Iad, atl, bog,pty, hav, ccs, jfk eill be 789 routes in 2020, consequently whole america will be covered by 77w/789 fleet
332/3 fleet will be mainly asia and regional routes, i think 332/333 crew will not be so happy with that
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:00 pm

ist2014 wrote:
Bos, Iad, atl, bog,pty, hav, ccs, jfk eill be 789 routes in 2020, consequently whole america will be covered by 77w/789 fleet
332/3 fleet will be mainly asia and regional routes, i think 332/333 crew will not be so happy with that


There are quite a number of Asian routes that cannot be handled adequately by the 332/33 fleet. e.g. Indian destinations, China destinations (possibly excluding the forthcoming X'ian), SIN, ICN, TPE, NAR, forthcoming HND, MAN to name a few. Can it be that 2020 entry 359s can be" allocated to some of these? In any case, the 332 fleet will be reduced to 13 frames (5 true-ER but aging 332s plus 8 ex-TAM ones which can only serve regional routes).

But the end of 2020 will see at least 12 789s and possibly 5-6 359s (assuming TK discards the idea of leasing interim 359s) in service.
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:25 pm

Th delivery plan for 2020 is 9 b789 and 5 a359
789 fleet will be 15 which is very strong
I think some of 333 will take the role of retired 332s
In btw, 5 owned a332 ers had cabin refurbishment in the past 2 years so i assume they will stay for a good 5-6 years
What about 3 recently leased 333 (loj-lol), does they have crew rest area and will they standardize cabin in winter?
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:07 pm

ist2014 wrote:
Th delivery plan for 2020 is 9 b789 and 5 a359
789 fleet will be 15 which is very strong
I think some of 333 will take the role of retired 332s
In btw, 5 owned a332 ers had cabin refurbishment in the past 2 years so i assume they will stay for a good 5-6 years
What about 3 recently leased 333 (loj-lol), does they have crew rest area and will they standardize cabin in winter?


You're neglecting one point: some numbers of that wide body fleet have been aging. They have already accumulated long flight hours and considerable cycles. So these need to undergo a longish (2-3 months' time) so-called C -Checks. I don't know how many C-Checks can be done at TK's present MRO facilities at ISL & SAW, at the same time. I guess not more than 6-7-8.

So the newcoming wide bodies like the 359s & 789s will also be utilised to replace those in the hangars.

The 3 recently leased 333s you mention (those ex-Wowair ones) are actually the ex-Skymark 333s (in terms of frame, not the cabin). So, they have no crew rest areas, they're not true-ER frames and they will be used mostly for Hadj and Umrah flights (replacing the now gone 343s) and possibly some regional routes in their free-times. In my gutfeel, they may not have been leased for a very long period: maybe for 2-3 years. Their main role will eventually be taken by some of the oldest 333s (say 3-4 frames...) re-fitted with an all-economy cabin.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Wed Sep 04, 2019 9:38 pm

Blerg wrote:
Someone reported last month that VIE will be upgraded from A333 to B777. What other destinations in Europe get the 777 besides LHR and ATH?

On a side note, whoever watched the Turkey US match yesterday, I think Turkey won in our hearts.

That 777 was a one off, it's still mostly A330/A321. Paris occasionally gets 777s but not as often as it used to. Madrid got a random 777 in July, oddly it was on the 737 operated flight rather than the A333 ones. Munich had a 777 last week or two weeks ago. In my opinion when TK gets more wide-bodies, the 777 may dip into European cities like the ones mentioned more often during peak season.

Also the 787 looks like it will be taken off London in a few days' time with a 77W replacing it again.
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:55 am

AirbusA343 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Someone reported last month that VIE will be upgraded from A333 to B777. What other destinations in Europe get the 777 besides LHR and ATH?

On a side note, whoever watched the Turkey US match yesterday, I think Turkey won in our hearts.

That 777 was a one off, it's still mostly A330/A321. Paris occasionally gets 777s but not as often as it used to. Madrid got a random 777 in July, oddly it was on the 737 operated flight rather than the A333 ones. Munich had a 777 last week or two weeks ago. In my opinion when TK gets more wide-bodies, the 777 may dip into European cities like the ones mentioned more often during peak season.

Also the 787 looks like it will be taken off London in a few days' time with a 77W replacing it again.


I guess Athens is extremely convenient as it's a short flight so costs are not that high and the plane and it can fit nicely between two long-haul flights. Who knows, maybe down the line Bucharest also gets upgraded from A330 to B777.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:52 am

ist2014 wrote:
Bos, Iad, atl, bog,pty, hav, ccs, jfk eill be 789 routes in 2020, consequently whole america will be covered by 77w/789 fleet
332/3 fleet will be mainly asia and regional routes, i think 332/333 crew will not be so happy with that


Couple of years ago a 777 captain complained about they are going only ER flights but 330 captains see all over world :D

Regarding fleet coverage, west coast will see 350. But no worries some of east coast destinations will see 350 too ;)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:47 am

Hello to all; Wish everyone a prosperous and healthy fall.
So after a great trip to the US, wanted to wrote about my trips with TK and wanted to make a short trip report. I took the TK 9 IST-LAX 777W. The flight was fully booked in J and according to the agent at check in overbooked in Y. We were on row 1 as my favorite rows 2-3 were taken, the boarding process for TK is improving, but still not up to par with many world class airlines, basically the gate agents are not applying the process and just letting people (rude ones that know its not their turn to board the aircraft) skip the line. After boarding I was impressed with the crews’ polite and attentive behavior on both flights, on both occasions our area of the cabin were being serviced with FA’s that went clearly above and beyond to make the passengers flight experience a great one. As for the meals the outbound flight had much better food (though I slept much of the return flight as I was exhausted) and my main course (picture attached) was the best I had on any TK flight
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As for the return flight I was on row 7 and I have to say and I don’t want people to take this the wrong way; the J portion of the 777W consists of 2 cabins row 1-4 separated with a galley from rows 5-7 and I have to say flying in rows 1-4 is much better than 5-7, Y pax behind the 2nd J cabin uses the J lavs exclusively and the traffic is very heavy and almost makes it hard to sleep for light sleepers. Don’t know if anyone else here agree with this.
As for the 777, I really think its a marvel of engineering but boy is it loud! but I have to say I’m looking forward to flying on 787 and 350 and compare the comfort of all.
Also have to mention that after a 13 hour return flight we taxied 23 minutes to a parking spot only to be bussed to the terminal, yeah I’m sure this plane will do a domestic run, but why build a mega airport if you cant pull up to a gate after a 13 hour flight? I find it ridiculous.
Sorry for the long post I wanted to share. All the best.


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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:31 am

Thanks for the TR "gokmenGS",
My favorite row on the 77W is the 6th row. I find the smaller cabin intimate and usually the front rows fill fast and kids are there and the this smaller section has less pax if the flight is not sold out. About the noise, I almost never take my personal noise cancelling headphones off, even while sleeping. I am used to it by now, just listening to music.
About the long taxi and bussing, I am used it by now. Had 12 flight to IST and to me, 20 min taxi + a bus ride is the norm and expected. That doesn't bother me at all. But when I arrived at IAD last week it was so different than IST. Seeing the runway from the front camera of the plane, it looked like we were landing at some small town in the middle of Iceland!!! No other planes, it is all green , small terminals..... Taxi time is short, terminal empty, no one at baggage claim, I am #2 getting out of the airport, my Uber arrives in two minutes, zero traffic driving to my Hotel in DC 6pm on a Friday!!!!! And this is WashingtonDC :(
None of this is possible at IST and it is going to get worse.
As you can imagine from my answers I am always expecting the bare minimum, not asking for anything extra, just content with what I get.

Maybe you might have missed the news from few days ago; TK cabin service standards now requires FA's NOT to use the words:
"yok, kalmadı, bitti, olmaz tükendi, seçenek yok, yasak, yapabileceğimiz bir şey yok, bizim sorumluluğumuzda değil"
( don't have it, we are out, we have no other options, not allowed, nothing we can do, not our responsibility )
Never liked those words myself, Never... Especially "not allowed", yassak!!!
Hope this change is implemented not for TK, but for the whole Turkish culture in general.

30 years ago I was working in a big US restaurant as a server and out motto was; " We are the CAN DO crew " and it was awesome.
Even now, I work frequently with a Turkish Key Grip in Istanbul, and this is what he always says:
"Anything is possible. Impossible; takes just a bit longer". I love his attitude.


Welcome home to Istanbul.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 2:29 pm

I guess the A359s will get TC-LP* regs (after LN* and LO* to 330s), same as B789s got TC-LL* after LJ*/LK* to 77Ws?
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Thu Sep 05, 2019 4:23 pm

Hello everyone,
Last week, for the second time I stayed at the YOTEL IST Landside.
It is a great way to break up my DLM-IST-USA trips. I fly DLM-IST a night before my US flight and that way, I don't worry about missing my connection. Besides I get a good night sleep, plus I don't have to deal with Istanbul traffic.
Last time I got the basic room with no windows and it was OK, but a bit tight. This time I booked a bit late and there were no basic rooms avail, so I ended up getting a Premium Plus King only for $25 or so more.
If you are interested here is a video I made during my stay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnkPT5MCMFk
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:54 am

Turkish Airlines 789 TC-LLE returns to PAE after a test flight

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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:34 pm

DHMI pax numbers are out for August and compared to August 2018; all airport domestic pax numbers are down;
ESB domestic pax down 23%, ADB down 16%.
Also ADB numbers could keep going down due to the opening of the new toll highway. I've driven it myself twice and from Istanbul Asian side to Izmir is truly 3.5 hrs with few stops along the way. Mind you my cruise control was set to 150kmph :)
With speeds like that Istanbul-Izmir air traffic will take a hit.
International pax was up almost every airport though; Trabzon up 52%, BJV up 25%, AYT, ADB, SAW all up 19%.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 4:52 pm

Per Eurocontrol, interesting image of traffic flow over Istanbul region.

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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:42 pm

LAXintl wrote:
The only odd thing about TK NRT service was its timing, but that has been fixed in recent years.
There was a very long period that due to slot limitations that unlike the rest of Far East-IST service that are overnight flights that arrive IST early morning hours to allow for wide connections especially to Europe, the NRT flight arrived back into IST during the later afternoon/early evening which limited its beyond connectivity.

Will be intersting to see what TK does. They already announced increasing NRT from 7 to 11 weekly starting in April 2020. Suppose they can do Tokyo double daily - once each to NRT and HND.


As they already obtained the slots for Haneda I possibly see that IST-HND is the service throughout the year, in the summer season the Boeing 777-300ER is maintained and in the winter season Boeing 787-9, possibly IST-NRT passes seasonally during the Summer season, All Nippon Airways gave him a slot for Turkey, 3 daily flights between IST-Tokyo would be a lot of overcapacity adding that Turkish resumes IST-KIX
CX - JL - LH - KE - KL - SQ - QR - QF - TG
 
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Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:43 pm

TK787 wrote:
DHMI pax numbers are out for August and compared to August 2018; all airport domestic pax numbers are down;
ESB domestic pax down 23%, ADB down 16%.
Also ADB numbers could keep going down due to the opening of the new toll highway. I've driven it myself twice and from Istanbul Asian side to Izmir is truly 3.5 hrs with few stops along the way. Mind you my cruise control was set to 150kmph :)
With speeds like that Istanbul-Izmir air traffic will take a hit.
International pax was up almost every airport though; Trabzon up 52%, BJV up 25%, AYT, ADB, SAW all up 19%.

I’m guessing huge amount of ADB traffic is from Istanbul airport I also took the new highway and immediately thought that the air traffic between the two cities will take a hit eventually. I think ADB has a chance to grow internationally if None TK carriers decide to launch new routes direct to international and bypass IST and SAW.

mercure1 wrote:
Per Eurocontrol, interesting image of traffic flow over Istanbul region.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDy6tw-WwAA1q28.jpg

Very interesting thanks for sharing can you tell me or do you know what each color represent they must reflect a differentiation somehow
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:20 pm

I think meanings of colors are straight forward:

Green To IST
Purple From IST
Yellow To SAW
Orange From SAW
Red To ISL
Blue From ISL
The future is in the skies.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:30 pm

6th TK 787 is set for delivery on Sept10th. And that is the day when ATL and BOG-PTY flights to be performed with 787.
I have a feeling this is going to lead to equipment changes, from 787 back to 333 on some routes, probably on IST-IAD, or cut back on AYT, LHR, AMS, DXB flights or a combination. What do you think? A
All these doable with 6 frames by next week's end??
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:35 pm

According to Turkish Tourism minister by mid 2020 there could be 4 dailies between IST and Japan:
TK to Narita, Osaka and Haneda
ANA to IST.
What are the chances of this? Is there really this much demand between the two countries??

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