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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:39 pm

Please note that there is a dedicated forum for Trip Reports, so please post your future reports there. Feel free to post a link to your trip report here. Thanks.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:46 pm

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According to Turkish Tourism minister by mid 2020 there could be 4 dailies between IST and Japan:
TK to Narita, Osaka and Haneda
ANA to IST.
What are the chances of this? Is there really this much demand between the two countries??


There is a possibility if a rather comprehensive codeshare agreement between TK and ANA is signed before launch.
 
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Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:23 pm

Does TK need more 77W capacity? If so would they consider taking 9W'S as a cheap way to add capacity?
 
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Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:26 pm

3 frames is sufficient for a daily us flight and midnight SE asia or latam flight
So we can consider 3 frames for denspar bali and iad flights
Considering that mexico and bog flights are 3 per weeks, we can consider 3 frames for atlanta , mexico and bog/pty flights
Since atl is 5 weekly and mex/bog 6 weekly, these 3 frames can be allocated on some european and domestic routes occasionally, 6 frames is relatively a good numbers remembering once upon a time (14 years ago), TK had only 7 A340 for
Tok, seoul, sin,bkk, pek,shanghai, jfk, ord,miami (ofcourse all of
Them were not daily)
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:48 pm

TK787 wrote:
According to Turkish Tourism minister by mid 2020 there could be 4 dailies between IST and Japan:
TK to Narita, Osaka and Haneda
ANA to IST.
What are the chances of this? Is there really this much demand between the two countries??


It's much more than just about Japan-Turkey demand. TK will sell connecting seats.

aldrigsomandre wrote:
There is a possibility if a rather comprehensive codeshare agreement between TK and ANA is signed before launch.


:checkmark: I fully expect closer cooperation.

Actually NH-TK relationship has interesting story and goes back to 1989 when then President Ozal personally got involved and worked to bring ANA in as advisory role to TK and also to help build technical knowhow for a future 747 fleet at TK. The 747 project was killed with the first Gulf War, but cordial relations between NH-TK have lasted.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:47 pm

TK787 wrote:
6th TK 787 is set for delivery on Sept10th. And that is the day when ATL and BOG-PTY flights to be performed with 787.
I have a feeling this is going to lead to equipment changes, from 787 back to 333 on some routes, probably on IST-IAD, or cut back on AYT, LHR, AMS, DXB flights or a combination. What do you think? A
All these doable with 6 frames by next week's end??


IAD will be 330 for a while, but how long I dont know.
 
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Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:41 pm

MeCe wrote:

IAD will be 330 for a while, but how long I dont know.


Thanks MeCe,
I wonder what the reasoning is; today's IAD is performed by A330.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:02 am

Analysis by Mastercard: World’s most popular cities with international overnight visitors. Turkey is the only country with 2 cities in Top10 for 2018. As 2019 is already a better year, I expect Turkey to improve its position even better.

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/amp/mast ... ssion=true
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:07 am

TK105 wrote:
Analysis by Mastercard: World’s most popular cities with international overnight visitors. Turkey is the only country with 2 cities in Top10 for 2018. As 2019 is already a better year, I expect Turkey to improve its position even better.

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/amp/mast ... ssion=true

What a cool report, New IST will help skew the numbers in Istanbul’s favor, AYT is all organic. Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:37 am

Instead of reading the news story why not read the actual annual survey.

Here is the link to download (pdf file)
https://newsroom.mastercard.com/wp-cont ... INAL-1.pdf

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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:06 am

mafaky wrote:
Edited/Revised form of my below message:

Yes two of these frames are TC-LNA & LNB (as already mentioned). The other three should be the TC-JIL / JIM / JIN leased from Jet AW of India since a long long time but with the present status of Jet AW, I wonder where they will end up. (They are no longer leased from Jet, planespotters.net indicates a lessor as "TrueAero"). It's an interesting point that these frames had a very odd cabin configuration. They have a rather big business cabin having 10 rows of 1-1-1 layout seats. The economy cabin naturally shrank and could house only 190 seats. I wonder how economic these 3 birds flew for TK... So, I don't foresee any extensions for their leasing periods and wonder how the new lessor will find new customer (despite all three are under 12 years... Cycles & flight hours: unknown...) for them.

So consequently, TK's 332 fleet will be reduced to basically two versions: the 5 true-ER frames now fully owned by TK and the 8 ex-Tam ones leased from AerCap.

MSN 892, 901 and 932 (TC-JIL, JIM, JIN) are now listed for operation lease by TrueAero on their website. https://trueaero.com/leasing-trading/#intro
Available from April 2020 onwards.

A whole bunch other A330 available too. https://www.myairtrade.com/available/A330
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:12 am

Excuse me, but do you have any idea in what sense (or meaning), Mastercard used the term "overnight international visitors"???
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:18 am

mafaky wrote:
ist2014 wrote:
Th delivery plan for 2020 is 9 b789 and 5 a359
789 fleet will be 15 which is very strong
I think some of 333 will take the role of retired 332s
In btw, 5 owned a332 ers had cabin refurbishment in the past 2 years so i assume they will stay for a good 5-6 years
What about 3 recently leased 333 (loj-lol), does they have crew rest area and will they standardize cabin in winter?


The 3 recently leased 333s you mention (those ex-Wowair ones) are actually the ex-Skymark 333s (in terms of frame, not the cabin). So, they have no crew rest areas, they're not true-ER frames and they will be used mostly for Hadj and Umrah flights (replacing the now gone 343s) and possibly some regional routes in their free-times. In my gutfeel, they may not have been leased for a very long period: maybe for 2-3 years. Their main role will eventually be taken by some of the oldest 333s (say 3-4 frames...) re-fitted with an all-economy cabin.

Apparently those three new additions are in their original Wow Air configuration:
TC-LOJ and TC-LOK are 337
TC-LOL is 345.

New loadsheet is now loaded in the system: https://www4.thy.com/ahm/pages/manageme ... ient.xhtml
As you have mentioned, all three are meant for domestic and hajj/Umrah flight.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:27 am

mafaky wrote:
Excuse me, but do you have any idea in what sense (or meaning), Mastercard used the term "overnight international visitors"???

Mastercard defines "overnight international visitors" as a person who visits his or her destination and stays at least one night and is not a resident of the destination country. Once inside the destination country, that visitor may visit more than one destination city staying at least one night in each. In such cases this visitor is counted in each of the destination cities he or she visits" in relation to "the estimated total amount that visitors spend in the destination city. It excludes air ticket expenditure required to get the visitor to the destination city. "

Source: https://newsroom.mastercard.com/digital ... ties-2019/
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:43 am

mafaky wrote:
"overnight international visitors"

I think that includes me, being an avid Mastercard user also :)
So, I guess they counted me at least 5 times in that survey :)
Few things:
-People visiting IST and AYT but spending lot less than other cities.
-Too bad Turkish people are not included as one of "Origin Markets" :( , they do not travel as much, financial reasons, visa requirements.
-Besides the Russians and Saudis who are all these people visiting IST and AYT? We all know, but it is not obvious in that ananlysis.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:23 pm

During signing ceremony between Turkish and Japanese civil aviation authorities to award the new Haneda slots, Bilal Eksi stated TK planned schedule for Japan summer 2020 would be 7 x HND, 4 x NRT and 4 x KIX.
Down the road, NRT and KIX would be improved to daily, and TK could look at additional service points such as Fukuoka or Nagoya in the future.


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Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:39 pm

thanks LAXintl, awesome news :)

On another note, as planned; TK 787s are flying nonstop to ATL, DPS and BOG today. Just incredible to be able to say that. I wouldn't have thought about it even in my craziest dreams when I joined a.net 13 years ago.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:54 pm

News from Paine Field Blog from yesterday:
"The customer noticed a scratch on the WiFi radome of TC-LLE, scheduled for replacement this evening."
Hope they fix it and the delivery flight is today as planned.
 
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Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:57 pm

The incident is rather old, but nobody seems to have noticed or paid any interest.

A TK 332 (namely TC-JIP, an ex-TAM bird of the 8 leased frames from AerCap) made its routine flight TK878 on 19th August from IST to IKA. But couldn't make it back, the return flight TK879 had to be cancelled. This bird is still left stranded at IKA, for a yet unknown reason (at the least, by myself and for those I have tried to ask...) and it's been there for over 3 weeks, now.

Anyone here, have any idea / knowledge?

Can we be facing a second Norwegian 738 case (where that particular plane was left stranded in Shiraz/Iran bcz. Uncle Sam was very reluctant to provide permissions for shipping out a spare engine)???
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:17 am

mafaky wrote:
The incident is rather old, but nobody seems to have noticed or paid any interest.

A TK 332 (namely TC-JIP, an ex-TAM bird of the 8 leased frames from AerCap) made its routine flight TK878 on 19th August from IST to IKA. But couldn't make it back, the return flight TK879 had to be cancelled. This bird is still left stranded at IKA, for a yet unknown reason (at the least, by myself and for those I have tried to ask...) and it's been there for over 3 weeks, now.

Anyone here, have any idea / knowledge?

Can we be facing a second Norwegian 738 case (where that particular plane was left stranded in Shiraz/Iran bcz. Uncle Sam was very reluctant to provide permissions for shipping out a spare engine)???
I noticed it (Turkish Air News) and reported to Goklerdeyiz.net to do a news article. However until now no information.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:18 am

Yakamoz wrote:
mafaky wrote:
The incident is rather old, but nobody seems to have noticed or paid any interest. ...

I noticed it (Turkish Air News) and reported to Goklerdeyiz.net to do a news article. However until now no information.


Indeed, I first saw it in Goklerdeyiz.net which aroused by interest (or concern). Tried to investigate from some possible insider but without any solid success. Lips seemed to be sealed (not only on this occasion: employees are somehow scared to leak out news on almost everything at TK!)

One unconfirmed rumor is that, prior to landing TC-JIP couldn't get gear(s) down and these were manually lowered. The landing went along without any major problems but probably it was a "hard landing". Consequently the landing gear(s) suffered some structural damage, if not the frame itself. So they may be expecting to receive new set of landing gear(s) from Airbus and/or the frame is being X-Rayed for any further structural damage.

If this scenario is totally fake and that actually an engine problem developed; that's the worse part of it: the engine is a PW (all American made) one!!!

Problems in the hydraulic system(s): possible, but should have been taken care of within these 3 weeks.
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:29 am

mafaky wrote:
Yakamoz wrote:
mafaky wrote:
The incident is rather old, but nobody seems to have noticed or paid any interest. ...

I noticed it (Turkish Air News) and reported to Goklerdeyiz.net to do a news article. However until now no information.


Indeed, I first saw it in Goklerdeyiz.net which aroused by interest (or concern). Tried to investigate from some possible insider but without any solid success. Lips seemed to be sealed (not only on this occasion: employees are somehow scared to leak out news on almost everything at TK!)

One unconfirmed rumor is that, prior to landing TC-JIP couldn't get gear(s) down and these were manually lowered. The landing went along without any major problems but probably it was a "hard landing". Consequently the landing gear(s) suffered some structural damage, if not the frame itself. So they may be expecting to receive new set of landing gear(s) from Airbus and/or the frame is being X-Rayed for any further structural damage.

If this scenario is totally fake and that actually an engine problem developed; that's the worse part of it: the engine is a PW (all American made) one!!!

Problems in the hydraulic system(s): possible, but should have been taken care of within these 3 weeks.
I got now an insider information / confirmation that it is a second Norwegian case. The problem looks like an engine problem. So in fact, worst case. They are waiting for parts. Unclear how long.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:13 am

I guess with Skytrax out of the picture, Turkish Airlines instead named 2020 5-Star Global Airline by the APEX (Airline Passenger Experience Association) at event in Los Angeles.

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:57 am

Hi guys...

A good friend of mine is a TK rep in SGN. I just wanted to share some photos he sent me of a little celebration event at SGN for Turkish Airlines launching flights TK163 and TK165.

Image69907438_10220117981488594_5087239670912253952_n by Jimmy Vu, on Flickr

Image70315741_10220117981328590_6530005157999017984_n by Jimmy Vu, on Flickr

Image70593236_10220117985488694_7022670664565784576_n by Jimmy Vu, on Flickr
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:43 pm

Found a youtube video by AirportHT, "Haber Turk" about the first TK flight to MEX. (in Turkish)
Few answers to my questions earlier about this longest TK flight. If I heard it correctly, only 4 pilots from IST-MEX. A full crew change at MEX and this second crew flies MEX-CUN-IST legs. I also didn't know the Pursers wear the RED uniforms and other FA's use the gray ones.
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:46 pm

I flew to Frankfurt and returned this week,
Ist-fra. A332 Tc-loh ex tam bird last minute upgrade to bc
fra-ist A333, ec tc-lof ex skymsrk bird

My observation is that ex tam birds are not matching eith TK, outdated product despite bc while ex skymat
Rk birds are in good shape and standards, makes sense for regional routes, relatively nice cabin
The best is to get rid of all leased A332s upon delivery of 787/359 but i know that contractually it is a challeng.
Ps: it was definitely a wise move to lease skymark birds and upgrde the cabin
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:07 pm

TK August numbers are out and compared to last August:
-DOM pax number down 10.7%
-INT pax number is up 4.6%
-Load Factor is down 0.8%
-Cargo up 11.5%

-First of all, the overall economy is bad shape in Turkey and most airport Domestic pax numbers are down.
-Still expensive and far to get to IST, I hope with the introduction of mass transport system will help the Domestic Pax in a year or so.
-3rd runway construction will be completed by mid next year and that should help too.
-737MAX fleet might be flying by then (fingers crossed)
-And by 2Q next year with all the changes above and plus there will also be a big capacity increase with arrival of many new jets.
In short, next summer will be a better indication of how things are going at IST and TK.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:01 am

Any chance of TK topping off their 787 orders with 78J?
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:41 am

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Any chance of TK topping off their 787 orders with 78J?


Always a possibility, but I think they'd wait to see the performance at scale first before making a decision.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:48 pm

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Hello everyone,
Last week, for the second time I stayed at the YOTEL IST Landside.
It is a great way to break up my DLM-IST-USA trips. I fly DLM-IST a night before my US flight and that way, I don't worry about missing my connection. Besides I get a good night sleep, plus I don't have to deal with Istanbul traffic.
Last time I got the basic room with no windows and it was OK, but a bit tight. This time I booked a bit late and there were no basic rooms avail, so I ended up getting a Premium Plus King only for $25 or so more.
If you are interested here is a video I made during my stay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnkPT5MCMFk


Good review I have stayed at Yotels and find them perfect for an overnight at airports. Always with the Premium too well worth it.
 
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Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:22 pm

I wish TK goes for 787-10 but i am not so sure
It will be an expensive machine for hafj and umre flights and for the rest I see some issue for range, perhaps can be deployed on us east cost, bkk and high density chineese dedtinations, maybe it can be replacement of some 77w in future where range is not so critical

I was checking fr 24 and doscovered that bog and pty flights are almost 13 h by 332ers.
I wonder why 332s were never used for lax,sfo, mnl, taipei and hkg, is it because of performance erosion at ocean or winds of us?
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:23 am

Turkish Airlines 789 TC-LLE returns to PAE after a test flight (12 Sep)

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Sat Sep 14, 2019 12:36 am

A flight plan for delivery of TC-LLE has just been filed

https://twitter.com/B787FlightTest/stat ... 63329?s=20

On a separate note during inspection of TC-LLE on the 9th of September a scratch was found on the WIFI radome requiring replacement

http://www.paineairport.com/images/kpae17721bc.png
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:34 pm

qf789 wrote:
A flight plan for delivery of TC-LLE has just been filed

https://twitter.com/B787FlightTest/stat ... 63329?s=20

On a separate note during inspection of TC-LLE on the 9th of September a scratch was found on the WIFI radome requiring replacement

http://www.paineairport.com/images/kpae17721bc.png


Apparently this ferry flight didn't take place as planned and TC-LLE didn't arrive to IST on Saturday 14th. Flightradar or Flightaware show no nothing?

What's up?
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 7:55 pm

Not sure, but there is photo showing it still sitting at KPAE today :(
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:52 pm

Sam Chui did extensive trip report onboard TK 789.

Lots of photos:
https://samchui.com/2019/09/14/turkish- ... ass-review

Also a video report including cockpit views and IST lounge experience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiwmFD2mDqQ
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:26 am

Yes, watched that earlier, real fun stuff. I think we agree on a lot of things about the new J seat, specifically the same seat "8A".
I will try one more time, but this time row 1, I think I will have more leg room on any of the 4 seats on row 1.

By they way; TC-LLE finally is on its way:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/THY ... /KPAE/LTFM
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:46 pm

Here's a short video for the departure of TC-LEE from PAE.

https://s3.eu-central-1.amazonaws.com/i ... VVZwg3.mp4

Watch it carefully to find one anomoly, or rather a practice against the practice in Turkey (at the least, currently) and perhaps in some other airports that TK 789s fly.
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:22 pm

Not sure about the anamoly, but that music really scares me !!!!! :rotfl: It is the music of "New Turkey" :), just add any visuals... any...

Also, airporthaber reports that TK moved the 8 MAXs at IST to a more protected area.
I mentioned that earlier and someone else commented on it, that they are in the open, covered engines and such but very close to the 3rd runway construction with all that dust. Predicting that they will not fly for at least another 3-4 months (fingers crossed) they should have been better off stored at another location in Turkey.
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:40 pm

TK787 wrote:
Not sure about the anamoly, but that music really scares me !!!!! :rotfl: It is the music of "New Turkey" :), just add any visuals... any...


Take a closer look and see to which door the jetway is docked, at PAE Terminal.

Also, as you flew business class, on your recent IAD - IST and the return flights, can you clearly remember from which door (1L or 2L) you boarded and disembarked?
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:01 pm

Does anyone have a clue on when IST-IAD will revert back to the 787?
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:49 pm

Some countries allow special 737max ferry flights for repositioning and such. Couldn't they take them back to ISL where at least have even hangars?
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:38 pm

mafaky wrote:

Take a closer look and see to which door the jetway is docked, at PAE Terminal.


I see what you mean. I even asked the FA's and they concur that L2 is the door they use. I've heard it is because it is due to the proximity of the sensors that are close to L1. But clearly it is not a problem at KPAE. I am not sure if that is just a company rule for TK.
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:40 pm

SamuelAviatron wrote:
Does anyone have a clue on when IST-IAD will revert back to the 787?

IIRC, starting SEPT20th back to 787. Especially now they have one more additional frame, just arrived.
 
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Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:54 pm

Came across this. TK1 made an emergency landing at BOS?

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Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:59 am

stylo777 wrote:
Some countries allow special 737max ferry flights for repositioning and such. Couldn't they take them back to ISL where at least have even hangars?
Are they ready to fly? I think not. But very good idea.
1g wrote:
Came across this. TK1 made an emergency landing at BOS?

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Probably due to medical emergency.
 
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Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:34 am

Pegasus has filed preliminary A321neo schedule:

Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen – Adana
Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen – Antalya
Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen – Izmir

Planned A321neo service from 27OCT19:
Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen – Ankara
Istanbul Sabiha Gokcen – Trabzon

Will be interesting to see what international routes get it first.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -sep-2019/
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:47 am

TK now has 300 aircraft in the main fleet as per planespotters.net (Anadolu Jet not included). That's quite a milestone! :D :birthday:
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Turkish-Airlines
 
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 10:24 am

Took a trip to TZX for the weekend with TK from IST. Outbound was with a 737-900 it had nice J seats very comfortable, uneventful flight, left gate on time but we were delayed 15 minutes because of the 19 minute taxi for takeoff, (I keep bringing up this issue because some here think its normal and I find it absurdly long no takeoff wait etc, just plain taxiing) return flight was interesting apparently they changed on flight that was leaving 21 something to 5.45 so it wasn't a cancellation but a schedule change and I was on the 22.45 flight, I guess because of the schedule change they changed the equipment to a 330, didn't know they used widebodies at TZX, later I checked and they use the 332/333 very often on the route. The aircraft (couldn't note the reg) was an oddball probably a leased frame it had 2-3-2 j very cramped, limited legroom. The plane was packed. TZX TK lounge is extremely small and aged, hope they will do a small upgrade there as its not capable of handling the load, it was a standing room lounge that was packed. After an uneventful flight we landed at IST and taxiied for 26 minutes (I always time the taxi times at IST) we parked at a remote stand and did a very unorganized deboarding and arrived at the terminal.
Now I have a question I think this is my 10th flight arriving at the new airport and I think I used a bridge as opposed to a bus, why did we build this mega airport if we are not going to elevate the passenger experience? Heck I took a flight from LAX 14 hours and still used the bus, I understand the domestic and international issue but this wasn't my expectation at the new airport. Gate space was the biggest issue at Ataturk, moved to new airport and bus remains the favored way of deboarding at the new airport. I used ATL, ORD,DEN other large airports and hubs and didn't see this ratio for bus vs gate.
Rant complete:)
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Re: Turkish Aviation September 2019

Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:52 am

gokmengs wrote:
Took a trip to TZX for the weekend with TK from IST. O
Rant complete:)

I hear your rant :)
Yes, I've been to TZX few times, took the 330 there also, crowded lounge. I hear all that.
About the bussing at IST and long taxi times. I think runway 3 is going to help the Domestic flight taxi times, not the INT flights.
One thing you don't see very often at IST is empty jets being moved around between gates and remote stands. Instead of bussing people, I wonder if they can have the pax disembark at a gate and then move the jet to Domestic or International Pier while empty, where ever it needs to go??

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