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Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:44 am

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 3:51 pm

When will QF announce more 787 routes such as MEL-DFW and BNE-DFW
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:07 pm

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When will QF announce more 787 routes such as MEL-DFW and BNE-DFW


There should be 1 maybe 2 more routes to be announced next year for the last 2 I think unassigned 789s currently on order, SYD-SFO and SYD-SCL plus a temporary SYD-AKL have been announced.

I doubt MEL-DFW can be done with a 789 while BNE is getting SFO/ORD services so unlikely to get DFW for some time either. More like SYD-DFW goes 789 and the A380s go elsewhere I think, possibly late next year.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:11 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
When will QF announce more 787 routes such as MEL-DFW and BNE-DFW


There should be 1 maybe 2 more routes to be announced next year for the last 2 I think unassigned 789s currently on order, SYD-SFO and SYD-SCL plus a temporary SYD-AKL have been announced.

I doubt MEL-DFW can be done with a 789 while BNE is getting SFO/ORD services so unlikely to get DFW for some time either. More like SYD-DFW goes 789 and the A380s go elsewhere I think, possibly late next year.



The Boeing 787-9 with the Qantas configuration can fly MEL-DFW, it is longer PER-LHR and the B789 flies it, Qantas needs to buy more Boeing 787-9 to continue expanding, the last Boeing 787-9 of the last order of 6 will fly SYD-SFO / SCL / JNB, SYD-HND possibly pass A330 again
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 9:49 pm

How long are the QF 787 Hong Kong flights operating for from Sydney and Brisbane?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:11 pm

Chris2302 wrote:
How long are the QF 787 Hong Kong flights operating for from Sydney and Brisbane?


I would say until Feb? They are doing MEL-HKG daily for the summer too.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:48 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
When will QF announce more 787 routes such as MEL-DFW and BNE-DFW


There should be 1 maybe 2 more routes to be announced next year for the last 2 I think unassigned 789s currently on order


You are technically correct, but the most accurate answer to the question asked (MEL/BNE-DFW) is that they will not be launched unless Qantas orders more 787s and/or the Sunrise aircraft arrive and shuffle some other routes around to the larger aircraft freeing up 787 capacity. The remaining 787 deliveries are replacing 747s one-for-one so there isn't any uncertainty about their future deployment.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:05 pm

Is this what QF 787 network will look like aprox by the end of 2020?

MEL:
Los Angeles 1
San Francisco 1
London 2

SYD:
Hong Kong 1
San Francisco 2
Santiago 1
Johannesburg 2

BNE:
Los Angeles 2
Chicago 1
San Francisco 1

This is also of course if QF25/26 gets changed to an A380, if it doesn’t would the 787 to Hong Kong shift to Haneda helped by an A330?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:54 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Planes4you wrote:
When will QF announce more 787 routes such as MEL-DFW and BNE-DFW


There should be 1 maybe 2 more routes to be announced next year for the last 2 I think unassigned 789s currently on order, SYD-SFO and SYD-SCL plus a temporary SYD-AKL have been announced.

I doubt MEL-DFW can be done with a 789 while BNE is getting SFO/ORD services so unlikely to get DFW for some time either. More like SYD-DFW goes 789 and the A380s go elsewhere I think, possibly late next year.



The Boeing 787-9 with the Qantas configuration can fly MEL-DFW, it is longer PER-LHR and the B789 flies it, Qantas needs to buy more Boeing 787-9 to continue expanding, the last Boeing 787-9 of the last order of 6 will fly SYD-SFO / SCL / JNB, SYD-HND possibly pass A330 again


I was of similar view to ZK-NBT but had a look this morning and MEL-DFW (7814nm) is nearly the same distance as PER-LHR (7829nm). Great circle distance of course but still interesting.

Considering that NZ fly 7111nm AKL-ORD route and UA fly 7479nm SYD-IAH in much heavier configs it does look like the QF 787 would be able to do a MEL-DFW route ok. Who knows if they’re thinking of announcing it though.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:39 am

Boof wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

There should be 1 maybe 2 more routes to be announced next year for the last 2 I think unassigned 789s currently on order, SYD-SFO and SYD-SCL plus a temporary SYD-AKL have been announced.

I doubt MEL-DFW can be done with a 789 while BNE is getting SFO/ORD services so unlikely to get DFW for some time either. More like SYD-DFW goes 789 and the A380s go elsewhere I think, possibly late next year.


The Boeing 787-9 with the Qantas configuration can fly MEL-DFW, it is longer PER-LHR and the B789 flies it, Qantas needs to buy more Boeing 787-9 to continue expanding, the last Boeing 787-9 of the last order of 6 will fly SYD-SFO / SCL / JNB, SYD-HND possibly pass A330 again


I was of similar view to ZK-NBT but had a look this morning and MEL-DFW (7814nm) is nearly the same distance as PER-LHR (7829nm). Great circle distance of course but still interesting.

Considering that NZ fly 7111nm AKL-ORD route and UA fly 7479nm SYD-IAH in much heavier configs it does look like the QF 787 would be able to do a MEL-DFW route ok. Who knows if they’re thinking of announcing it though.


The other question is does the US market need extra capacity atm? It’s generally assumed AA will add some form of capacity into AU/NZ - with lower yields? Could also be a good time to muscle VA out of the market though. I’m curious if there is the need to pull the 380 off SYD-DFW, where would QF send it? Can HKG support the capacity in the short term?

I am surprised however we haven’t seen more 789 ordered, perhaps Boeing is linking a rehash of the 789 prices with a sunrise order? I still think some 787-10 and 797 (if ever built) would be a great fleet for Asia, domestic and Tasman. Perhaps with the 320/321Neo for narrow body, for Tasman, domestic and Thin Asian routes. Would allow QF to shuffle capacity around between brands even more easily.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:45 am

Boof wrote:

I was of similar view to ZK-NBT but had a look this morning and MEL-DFW (7814nm) is nearly the same distance as PER-LHR (7829nm). Great circle distance of course but still interesting.

Considering that NZ fly 7111nm AKL-ORD route and UA fly 7479nm SYD-IAH in much heavier configs it does look like the QF 787 would be able to do a MEL-DFW route ok. Who knows if they’re thinking of announcing it though.

Remember if we count on replacemenet we still have SYD-JNB and SYD-HND which has 744s to be replaced, so it's not like QF can expand whatever they like. Even if HND is passed onto A388/A333 you still have the JNB gap which needs 1.5 aircrafts to fly. And adding too many N.A. routes will most definitely dilute their yields too much - something I bet QF doesn't want to see.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:03 am

Chris2302 wrote:
Is this what QF 787 network will look like aprox by the end of 2020?

MEL:
Los Angeles 1
San Francisco 1
London 2

SYD:
Hong Kong 1
San Francisco 2
Santiago 1
Johannesburg 2

BNE:
Los Angeles 2
Chicago 1
San Francisco 1

This is also of course if QF25/26 gets changed to an A380, if it doesn’t would the 787 to Hong Kong shift to Haneda helped by an A330?


Haneda would take two aircraft if it was an A380 due to the scheduling. Whereas it would be 1 if it was a 787 because of JNB and SCL being afternoon arrivals, and otherwise being on the ground at SYD overnight.

Therefore more likely that Haneda is a 787 and HKG is a 380, where it would only require 1 aircraft.

Also my understanding is that F demand is higher on HKG than HND. But this could be outdated.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:09 am

ANA inaugural Perth service starts today

NH881 departs TYO around 11am local time
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:16 am

Flyerqf wrote:
Chris2302 wrote:
Is this what QF 787 network will look like aprox by the end of 2020?

MEL:
Los Angeles 1
San Francisco 1
London 2

SYD:
Hong Kong 1
San Francisco 2
Santiago 1
Johannesburg 2

BNE:
Los Angeles 2
Chicago 1
San Francisco 1

This is also of course if QF25/26 gets changed to an A380, if it doesn’t would the 787 to Hong Kong shift to Haneda helped by an A330?


Haneda would take two aircraft if it was an A380 due to the scheduling. Whereas it would be 1 if it was a 787 because of JNB and SCL being afternoon arrivals, and otherwise being on the ground at SYD overnight.

Therefore more likely that Haneda is a 787 and HKG is a 380, where it would only require 1 aircraft.

Also my understanding is that F demand is higher on HKG than HND. But this could be outdated.


I recall seeing on a US3 thread here AU was awarded another pair of HND slots- perhaps this could allow a schedule shift. How many frames does DFW currently absorb? Once the refit is complete could HKG and HND both go to a 380 if HND schedule changes? Also I still question demand to HKG in the short term.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:20 am

DFW is 2 frames, LHR is 3, LAX is 4 (2 MEL and 2 SYD) and MEL SIN is 1. Leaving 1 spare and 1 for maintenance after refurbs are complete.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:55 am

smi0006 wrote:

I recall seeing on a US3 thread here AU was awarded another pair of HND slots- perhaps this could allow a schedule shift.


This would be even more reason to run with a 787 and an A330 to increase frequency into HND.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:02 am

waoz1 wrote:
ANA inaugural Perth service starts today

NH881 departs TYO around 11am local time


Great day for WA!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:19 am

ben175 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
ANA inaugural Perth service starts today

NH881 departs TYO around 11am local time


Great day for WA!


I wonder if they will get a nighttime water canon greeting?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:28 am

Boof wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

There should be 1 maybe 2 more routes to be announced next year for the last 2 I think unassigned 789s currently on order, SYD-SFO and SYD-SCL plus a temporary SYD-AKL have been announced.

I doubt MEL-DFW can be done with a 789 while BNE is getting SFO/ORD services so unlikely to get DFW for some time either. More like SYD-DFW goes 789 and the A380s go elsewhere I think, possibly late next year.



The Boeing 787-9 with the Qantas configuration can fly MEL-DFW, it is longer PER-LHR and the B789 flies it, Qantas needs to buy more Boeing 787-9 to continue expanding, the last Boeing 787-9 of the last order of 6 will fly SYD-SFO / SCL / JNB, SYD-HND possibly pass A330 again


I was of similar view to ZK-NBT but had a look this morning and MEL-DFW (7814nm) is nearly the same distance as PER-LHR (7829nm). Great circle distance of course but still interesting.

Considering that NZ fly 7111nm AKL-ORD route and UA fly 7479nm SYD-IAH in much heavier configs it does look like the QF 787 would be able to do a MEL-DFW route ok. Who knows if they’re thinking of announcing it though.


700nm further is probably a lot more than 39 more seats that NZ have on AKL-ORD, or more ORD-AKL and the return DFW-MEL, winds can be pretty strong in these parts and that’s what I think would push the route beyond a 789, however in no technical expert.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:28 am

VA reportedly "reviewing all routes" and likely to cut frequencies and limited performing routes. This decision is most likely a result of the airline's recent AUD$349.1 million loss.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-29/ ... s/11459666
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:30 am

Chris2302 wrote:
Is this what QF 787 network will look like aprox by the end of 2020?

MEL:
Los Angeles 1
San Francisco 1
London 2

SYD:
Hong Kong 1
San Francisco 2
Santiago 1
Johannesburg 2

BNE:
Los Angeles 2
Chicago 1
San Francisco 1

This is also of course if QF25/26 gets changed to an A380, if it doesn’t would the 787 to Hong Kong shift to Haneda helped by an A330?


Thought Santiago is 2 frames as it will be daily?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:47 am

The SYD - SFO - SYD flights in July, 2020 the departure time for QF73 has been put back from today's 17:40 to 19:55 with effect from 29/3/20. This will enable QANTAS to operate to SCL with just the one additional 789, which it is presumed will be 12th aircraft that will be delivered in late May, early June 2020 as services commence on Wednesday 24/6/20. The last 744 service departs SYD on Tuesday 23/6/20 to SCL arriving back the next afternoon.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:47 am

ben175 wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
ANA inaugural Perth service starts today

NH881 departs TYO around 11am local time


Great day for WA!


En route now - JA814A
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:07 am

smi0006 wrote:
Boof wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:

The Boeing 787-9 with the Qantas configuration can fly MEL-DFW, it is longer PER-LHR and the B789 flies it, Qantas needs to buy more Boeing 787-9 to continue expanding, the last Boeing 787-9 of the last order of 6 will fly SYD-SFO / SCL / JNB, SYD-HND possibly pass A330 again


I was of similar view to ZK-NBT but had a look this morning and MEL-DFW (7814nm) is nearly the same distance as PER-LHR (7829nm). Great circle distance of course but still interesting.

Considering that NZ fly 7111nm AKL-ORD route and UA fly 7479nm SYD-IAH in much heavier configs it does look like the QF 787 would be able to do a MEL-DFW route ok. Who knows if they’re thinking of announcing it though.


The other question is does the US market need extra capacity atm? It’s generally assumed AA will add some form of capacity into AU/NZ - with lower yields? Could also be a good time to muscle VA out of the market though. I’m curious if there is the need to pull the 380 off SYD-DFW, where would QF send it? Can HKG support the capacity in the short term?

I am surprised however we haven’t seen more 789 ordered, perhaps Boeing is linking a rehash of the 789 prices with a sunrise order? I still think some 787-10 and 797 (if ever built) would be a great fleet for Asia, domestic and Tasman. Perhaps with the 320/321Neo for narrow body, for Tasman, domestic and Thin Asian routes. Would allow QF to shuffle capacity around between brands even more easily.


Extra US capacity on top of what QF have announced will likely be in the form of AA, they will likely be more seasonal, replacing QF’s second MEl-LAX while routes like LAX-CHC and DFW-AKL have been talked about, DFW-AKL would likely allow QF to go 789 on SYD-DFW. Those freed A380s, QF want to use them to HND which can take them but with restricted access like night hours etc, however there are other restrictions which may prevent QF from using them there.

I’m not sure they should try muscle VA out of HKG, probably no need to while yields I don’t think are that great anyway, no point getting into more of a blood bath, the A380 will likely still go this NW peak although I agree probably doesn’t need the capacity year round?

If neither HKG or HND can use or don’t need A380s, they might have to look at JNB? Which they were planning PER-JNB and have also talked about CPT. With the current plan to use 789s SYD-JNB and add A330s seasonally at least from PER when Perth Airport plays ball.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:11 am

smi0006 wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
Chris2302 wrote:
Is this what QF 787 network will look like aprox by the end of 2020?

MEL:
Los Angeles 1
San Francisco 1
London 2

SYD:
Hong Kong 1
San Francisco 2
Santiago 1
Johannesburg 2

BNE:
Los Angeles 2
Chicago 1
San Francisco 1

This is also of course if QF25/26 gets changed to an A380, if it doesn’t would the 787 to Hong Kong shift to Haneda helped by an A330?


Haneda would take two aircraft if it was an A380 due to the scheduling. Whereas it would be 1 if it was a 787 because of JNB and SCL being afternoon arrivals, and otherwise being on the ground at SYD overnight.

Therefore more likely that Haneda is a 787 and HKG is a 380, where it would only require 1 aircraft.

Also my understanding is that F demand is higher on HKG than HND. But this could be outdated.


I recall seeing on a US3 thread here AU was awarded another pair of HND slots- perhaps this could allow a schedule shift. How many frames does DFW currently absorb? Once the refit is complete could HKG and HND both go to a 380 if HND schedule changes? Also I still question demand to HKG in the short term.



Not sure re additional HND, still would likely be night time slots, could they run a daylight HND-SYD and a daylight SYD-HND? While also with the current slots doing an overnight?

SYD 2045 HND 0515
HND 0700 SYD 1730

SYD 1330 HND 2200
HND 2345 SYD 1015

Not ideal need a flight 2-3 hrs earlier HND-SYD.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:37 am

Not yet I do not understand the use of the 14 B789 of Qantas
3 SFO-SYD/BNE/MEL
3 MEL-PER-LHR
2.5 BNE-LAX-JFK
1.5 SCL-SYD
1 BNE-ORD
0.5 MEL-LAX
0.5 SYD-HKG (Possibly return to operation with A330)

Only one use would be left for one route, any of the SYD-JNB or SYD-TYO routes has to be operated with A380, I think that MEL-NRT may go to A380 and SYD-HND back to A330
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:38 am

Chris2302 wrote:
The SYD - SFO - SYD flights in July, 2020 the departure time for QF73 has been put back from today's 17:40 to 19:55 with effect from 29/3/20. This will enable QANTAS to operate to SCL with just the one additional 789, which it is presumed will be 12th aircraft that will be delivered in late May, early June 2020 as services commence on Wednesday 24/6/20. The last 744 service departs SYD on Tuesday 23/6/20 to SCL arriving back the next afternoon.


Still not practical on 3 frames considering the 6hrs on ground in San Francisco
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:48 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Not yet I do not understand the use of the 14 B789 of Qantas
3 SFO-SYD/BNE/MEL
3 MEL-PER-LHR
2.5 BNE-LAX-JFK
1.5 SCL-SYD
1 BNE-ORD
0.5 MEL-LAX
0.5 SYD-HKG (Possibly return to operation with A330)

Only one use would be left for one route, any of the SYD-JNB or SYD-TYO routes has to be operated with A380, I think that MEL-NRT may go to A380 and SYD-HND back to A330


2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
2 MEL-PER-LHR
2 MEL -SFO/LAX

The Sydney based 6 are still confusing me
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:08 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Not yet I do not understand the use of the 14 B789 of Qantas
3 SFO-SYD/BNE/MEL
3 MEL-PER-LHR
2.5 BNE-LAX-JFK
1.5 SCL-SYD
1 BNE-ORD
0.5 MEL-LAX
0.5 SYD-HKG (Possibly return to operation with A330)

Only one use would be left for one route, any of the SYD-JNB or SYD-TYO routes has to be operated with A380, I think that MEL-NRT may go to A380 and SYD-HND back to A330


2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
2 MEL-PER-LHR
2 MEL -SFO/LAX

The Sydney based 6 are still confusing me


To me at least it makes more sense if you add chains together:

2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
4 MEL-PER-LHR-PER-MEL-LAX/SFO-MEL

3 SYD-SCL-SYD-SFO-SYD

This leaves 3 frames for JNB/HND/HKG. JNB and HND dovetail with 3 frames, therefore my guess is

3 SYD-JNB-SYD-HND-SYD

HKG: either A330 or A380
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:16 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
Chris2302 wrote:
The SYD - SFO - SYD flights in July, 2020 the departure time for QF73 has been put back from today's 17:40 to 19:55 with effect from 29/3/20. This will enable QANTAS to operate to SCL with just the one additional 789, which it is presumed will be 12th aircraft that will be delivered in late May, early June 2020 as services commence on Wednesday 24/6/20. The last 744 service departs SYD on Tuesday 23/6/20 to SCL arriving back the next afternoon.


Still not practical on 3 frames considering the 6hrs on ground in San Francisco


Yes it is, 3 frames an cover SYD-SFO-SYD-SCL-SYD-SFO, with maintenance you need another frame which would probably swap out once a week, the problem with a small fleet is the lack of spares if a frame does go U/S.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:20 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Not yet I do not understand the use of the 14 B789 of Qantas
3 SFO-SYD/BNE/MEL
3 MEL-PER-LHR
2.5 BNE-LAX-JFK
1.5 SCL-SYD
1 BNE-ORD
0.5 MEL-LAX
0.5 SYD-HKG (Possibly return to operation with A330)

Only one use would be left for one route, any of the SYD-JNB or SYD-TYO routes has to be operated with A380, I think that MEL-NRT may go to A380 and SYD-HND back to A330


2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
2 MEL-PER-LHR
2 MEL -SFO/LAX

The Sydney based 6 are still confusing me


The 6 SYD frames are likely to be
3 SYD-SFO-SYD-SCL-SYD
3 SYD-HND-SYD-JNB-SYD

The SFO/HND arrivals can swap around and go to SCL/JNB or which ever they don’t usually.

HKG at some point will have to swap to A380/330 or more 789s get ordered.

No more YVR for now then after next July, an A380 seems unlikely there.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:21 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Not yet I do not understand the use of the 14 B789 of Qantas
3 SFO-SYD/BNE/MEL
3 MEL-PER-LHR
2.5 BNE-LAX-JFK
1.5 SCL-SYD
1 BNE-ORD
0.5 MEL-LAX
0.5 SYD-HKG (Possibly return to operation with A330)

Only one use would be left for one route, any of the SYD-JNB or SYD-TYO routes has to be operated with A380, I think that MEL-NRT may go to A380 and SYD-HND back to A330


2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
2 MEL-PER-LHR
2 MEL -SFO/LAX

The Sydney based 6 are still confusing me


To me at least it makes more sense if you add chains together:

2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
4 MEL-PER-LHR-PER-MEL-LAX/SFO-MEL

3 SYD-SCL-SYD-SFO-SYD

This leaves 3 frames for JNB/HND/HKG. JNB and HND dovetail with 3 frames, therefore my guess is

3 SYD-JNB-SYD-HND-SYD

HKG: either A330 or A380


HKG flight from Melbourne in Aug 2020 are showing 787
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:27 am

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VA reportedly "reviewing all routes" and likely to cut frequencies and limited performing routes. This decision is most likely a result of the airline's recent AUD$349.1 million loss.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-29/ ... s/11459666


Not the best article given the supposition that VA will drop ADL-HBA — a route they don't even fly! The only airline flying this route, JQ, is actually increasing services year-round by one flight per week, on Mondays, commencing NW19-20.

In fact, on the day VA announced their loss, additional frequencies were added over December and January on HBA-MEL, HBA-SYD, HBA-BNE, and LST-BNE. This is of a level similar to previous years, with the exception of no additional HBA-PER nor LST-MEL services yet. Furthermore, TT added flights on HBA-MEL over December and January too. Remember, this is in addition to more QF 717s and upgauges to 737s on HBA-SYD over NW19-20, as well as year-round JQ extras on HBA-SYD (three per week) and HBA-ADL (one per week) commencing NW19-20, so the Tasmanian market appears to be maintaining its growth despite the average downturn nationally.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:38 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:

2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
2 MEL-PER-LHR
2 MEL -SFO/LAX

The Sydney based 6 are still confusing me


To me at least it makes more sense if you add chains together:

2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
4 MEL-PER-LHR-PER-MEL-LAX/SFO-MEL

3 SYD-SCL-SYD-SFO-SYD

This leaves 3 frames for JNB/HND/HKG. JNB and HND dovetail with 3 frames, therefore my guess is

3 SYD-JNB-SYD-HND-SYD

HKG: either A330 or A380


HKG flight from Melbourne in Aug 2020 are showing 787


HKG is clearly the place they are 'parking' pending additional deliveries, but I would be very, very surprised of they are still using 787s to HKG once the last 747 is retired. There simply aren't enough 787s to cover the long haul network and HKG as well.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:43 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
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Not yet I do not understand the use of the 14 B789 of Qantas
3 SFO-SYD/BNE/MEL
3 MEL-PER-LHR
2.5 BNE-LAX-JFK
1.5 SCL-SYD
1 BNE-ORD
0.5 MEL-LAX
0.5 SYD-HKG (Possibly return to operation with A330)

Only one use would be left for one route, any of the SYD-JNB or SYD-TYO routes has to be operated with A380, I think that MEL-NRT may go to A380 and SYD-HND back to A330


2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
2 MEL-PER-LHR
2 MEL -SFO/LAX

The Sydney based 6 are still confusing me


The 6 SYD frames are likely to be
3 SYD-SFO-SYD-SCL-SYD
3 SYD-HND-SYD-JNB-SYD

The SFO/HND arrivals can swap around and go to SCL/JNB or which ever they don’t usually.

HKG at some point will have to swap to A380/330 or more 789s get ordered.

No more YVR for now then after next July, an A380 seems unlikely there.


That's the million dollar question! What will happen to SYD-YVR? Will you wait for more dreamliners to resume it?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:50 am

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ANA inaugural Perth service starts today

NH881 departs TYO around 11am local time


Great day for WA!


I wonder if they will get a nighttime water canon greeting?


Yes they should
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:53 am

waoz1 wrote:
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waoz1 wrote:
ANA inaugural Perth service starts today

NH881 departs TYO around 11am local time


Great day for WA!


En route now - JA814A

Congrats to PER! An interesting route that wishing they can do well.

On a sidenote the flight is switching to Air Japan crew from December - nothing will be changed from the face of it but crew at AJX might sometimes be a bit less attentive than ANA's own.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:18 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:

2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
2 MEL-PER-LHR
2 MEL -SFO/LAX

The Sydney based 6 are still confusing me


The 6 SYD frames are likely to be
3 SYD-SFO-SYD-SCL-SYD
3 SYD-HND-SYD-JNB-SYD

The SFO/HND arrivals can swap around and go to SCL/JNB or which ever they don’t usually.

HKG at some point will have to swap to A380/330 or more 789s get ordered.

No more YVR for now then after next July, an A380 seems unlikely there.


That's the million dollar question! What will happen to SYD-YVR? Will you wait for more dreamliners to resume it?


Maybe a WS 789 will operate instead :rotfl:
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:15 am

ZK-NBT wrote:

The 6 SYD frames are likely to be
3 SYD-SFO-SYD-SCL-SYD
3 SYD-HND-SYD-JNB-SYD

The SFO/HND arrivals can swap around and go to SCL/JNB or which ever they don’t usually.

HKG at some point will have to swap to A380/330 or more 789s get ordered.

No more YVR for now then after next July, an A380 seems unlikely there.


Another option could be to make DFW 789 and put A380 on JNB/HND.

A380

3 SYD-JNB-SYD-HND-SYD
3 SYD-LHR-SYD
2 SYD-LAX-SYD
2 MEL-LAX-MEL
1 MEL-SIN-MEL
1 spare / maintenance

787 Ex SYD

3 SYD-SCL-SYD-SFO-SYD
2 SYD-DFW-DFW
1 SYD-HKG-SYD
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:56 am

Flyerqf wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

The 6 SYD frames are likely to be
3 SYD-SFO-SYD-SCL-SYD
3 SYD-HND-SYD-JNB-SYD

The SFO/HND arrivals can swap around and go to SCL/JNB or which ever they don’t usually.

HKG at some point will have to swap to A380/330 or more 789s get ordered.

No more YVR for now then after next July, an A380 seems unlikely there.


Another option could be to make DFW 789 and put A380 on JNB/HND.

A380

3 SYD-JNB-SYD-HND-SYD
3 SYD-LHR-SYD
2 SYD-LAX-SYD
2 MEL-LAX-MEL
1 MEL-SIN-MEL
1 spare / maintenance

787 Ex SYD

3 SYD-SCL-SYD-SFO-SYD
2 SYD-DFW-DFW
1 SYD-HKG-SYD


With the way SAA is struggling Qantas would want to maintain the JNB capacity with A380. If they use 787 they would have to swallow their pride with Perth Airport & run A330 service or i can see Ethiopia swooping in with the rumored A350 to Melbourne/Perth
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:11 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:

2 BNE-LAX-JFK
2 BNE-ORD/SFO
2 MEL-PER-LHR
2 MEL -SFO/LAX

The Sydney based 6 are still confusing me


The 6 SYD frames are likely to be
3 SYD-SFO-SYD-SCL-SYD
3 SYD-HND-SYD-JNB-SYD

The SFO/HND arrivals can swap around and go to SCL/JNB or which ever they don’t usually.

HKG at some point will have to swap to A380/330 or more 789s get ordered.

No more YVR for now then after next July, an A380 seems unlikely there.


That's the million dollar question! What will happen to SYD-YVR? Will you wait for more dreamliners to resume it?


YVR didn’t run this July August just gone, not enough 744s, it is running DEC JAN and is loaded for July August 2020 with 744s already. What happens beyond that who knows? I’d say a 789 eventually, maybe in a less premium configuration? But they would have to order more.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:14 am

A treat for those traveling on tomorrow's (02SEP) QF575 SYDPER, QF580 PERSYD B747 -OEE is operating in lieu of the regular A330.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:19 am

Flyerqf wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

The 6 SYD frames are likely to be
3 SYD-SFO-SYD-SCL-SYD
3 SYD-HND-SYD-JNB-SYD

The SFO/HND arrivals can swap around and go to SCL/JNB or which ever they don’t usually.

HKG at some point will have to swap to A380/330 or more 789s get ordered.

No more YVR for now then after next July, an A380 seems unlikely there.


Another option could be to make DFW 789 and put A380 on JNB/HND.

A380

3 SYD-JNB-SYD-HND-SYD
3 SYD-LHR-SYD
2 SYD-LAX-SYD
2 MEL-LAX-MEL
1 MEL-SIN-MEL
1 spare / maintenance

787 Ex SYD

3 SYD-SCL-SYD-SFO-SYD
2 SYD-DFW-DFW
1 SYD-HKG-SYD


QF is not permitted to run A380s to HND.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:37 am

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:43 am

I did read in Australian Aviation that an interview with Alan Joyce. Qantas wants to make both BNE to SFO and BNE to ORD daily as quickly as possible. For this to happen then they must order more 787s very soon. They will need at least two more for these routes and they could go for more to replace YVR. If they ordered more say in October could they be delivered by Dec 2020?
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:55 am

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I did read in Australian Aviation that an interview with Alan Joyce. Qantas wants to make both BNE to SFO and BNE to ORD daily as quickly as possible. For this to happen then they must order more 787s very soon. They will need at least two more for these routes and they could go for more to replace YVR. If they ordered more say in October could they be delivered by Dec 2020?


Typically there is a lead time of 18 months from order to delivery. Also AJ has said previously with their options and purchase rights which all have delivery dates attached to them they need to be firmed up 18 months prior to delivery. Alan Joyce also has alluded to no more 787's being ordered until Project Sunrise is decided on, so based on that if they order more 787's the earliest we will see them is mid 2021
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:57 am

NH881 NRT-PER is about to touch down in PER, looks like they are doing a flyover of the city before landing
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 11:59 am

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NH881 NRT-PER is about to touch down in PER, looks like they are doing a flyover of the city before landing


Looked like it is, right over the cbd at the moment.
Just saw it fly past.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:07 pm

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NH881 NRT-PER is about to touch down in PER, looks like they are doing a flyover of the city before landing


Looked like it is, right over the cbd at the moment.
Just saw it fly past.


Just landed on rwy21
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:13 pm

According to the BITRE domestic airfares have fallen further in August

https://australianaviation.com.au/2019/ ... in-august/
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