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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:41 am

CBR has no friends. It’s that kid that was always picked last at school.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:47 am

budgetflyer wrote:

On a related note, could there be any potential for new routes / increased frequencies on existing routes as part of VA's upcoming network shakeup?


One would think HBA could be in line for increased frequencies given it has yet again performed the best of the top 10 airports on the latest BITRE figures for July, which are available at: https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/domestic_airline_activity-monthly_publications.aspx

This data shows the same story from past months: the domestic market is stagnant overall, with some markets growing while others decline. The moving average domestic total graph on page three is quite stark.

One further comment about SYD-MCY, which has been one of the strongest performing routes of late: current schedules show JQ dropping a service just prior to the Christmas/New Year peak — is a subsidy due to expire then?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:12 am

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CBR has no friends. It’s that kid that was always picked last at school.
Population hurts it..
Newcastle/Central Coast is bigger, Gold Coast almost double the size.
321s might make some flights viable
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:03 am

Qf648 wrote:
CBR has no friends. It’s that kid that was always picked last at school.


Because it was unnecessarily painful and disagreeable and was dong it only for attention.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:00 pm

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CraigAnderson wrote:
tullamarine wrote:


Well said and I find this is the most telling. You'd think the two capitals would be pretty profitable but if NZ hasn't bothered, and it has a great 'Seats To Suit' package, then there isn't much in the market to begin with.


I’ll be honest, and hate to be that guy - but can’t share details. However pricing is very much key, and events between CBR and NZ in the past that mean between two the relationship is very very sour.


Originally Air NZ was planning flying to CBR at the same time they planned the Sunshine Coast route. I remember the story in the Australian Aviation mag.
Later on they started seasonal services to MCY but nothing proceeded with CBR with no further mention in the media. So I expect something went wrong similar to the planned MNL service that also didn't eventuate with no more explanation as to why it wasn't going ahead.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:56 am

Assuming QF only gets 1 additional slot at HND, I think they will increase SYD HND to 2 flights per day. 1 with a 787 and the other an A330.

Then I’d say SYD to HKG 127 or SIN 81 will go to an A380 which will in turn free up the A330 to operate the extra HND.

The next 6 787 would then be allocated as such
1 - BNE ORD
1 - SYD SCL
3 - SYD - JNB - SYD - SFO - SYD
1 - SYD HND

This would be once all 744 are gone.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 1:02 am

Flyerqf wrote:
Assuming QF only gets 1 additional slot at HND, I think they will increase SYD HND to 2 flights per day. 1 with a 787 and the other an A330.

Then I’d say SYD to HKG 127 or SIN 81 will go to an A380 which will in turn free up the A330 to operate the extra HND.

The next 6 787 would then be allocated as such
1 - BNE ORD
1 - SYD SCL
3 - SYD - JNB - SYD - SFO - SYD
1 - SYD HND

This would be once all 744 are gone.


BNE-ORD won't be taking up any of the next 6 787s. The BNE-ORD flights come from the soon to be axed QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators and the SYD/BNE-HKG flights (being replaced with A330s).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:19 am

With VA removing the Samsung tablets from International J at the end of this month, does anyone have in insights what VA is planning todo to compensate?

Obviously the most travellers in J have there own device, but sometimes on an 4-5hr flight it’s great to preserve your battery etc and watching an movie on an iPhone isn’t the most practical.

Just seems an bit of an odd step backs for J, that is already an very minimal hard product. Hopefully they will start to offer J You passengers an WIFI voucher or something.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:21 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
Assuming QF only gets 1 additional slot at HND, I think they will increase SYD HND to 2 flights per day. 1 with a 787 and the other an A330.

Then I’d say SYD to HKG 127 or SIN 81 will go to an A380 which will in turn free up the A330 to operate the extra HND.

The next 6 787 would then be allocated as such
1 - BNE ORD
1 - SYD SCL
3 - SYD - JNB - SYD - SFO - SYD
1 - SYD HND

This would be once all 744 are gone.


BNE-ORD won't be taking up any of the next 6 787s. The BNE-ORD flights come from the soon to be axed QF55/56 BNE-LAX terminators and the SYD/BNE-HKG flights (being replaced with A330s).

I haven’t seen any plans to remove the 787 from HKG. Over summer when the A380 is on SYD-HKG, it moves to MEL-HKG. But then it reverts back to SYD-HKG and remains in place after BNE-ORD and BNE-SFO has started.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:48 am

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Assuming QF only gets 1 additional slot at HND, I think they will increase SYD HND to 2 flights per day. 1 with a 787 and the other an A330.


IMV it will be the same aircraft. Why have 2 aircraft types going to the one place when you can have one and simplify everything by a factor of half.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:51 am

Question on windsocks - yes windsocks!

We have reasonably progressed from the day of the windsock with more information about wind available than the windsock can provide but coming into SYD last night i saw the windsock between T2/3 and T1 and was wondering if it really was used by pilots anymore or if it is some vestigial requirement of the air regulations? Or if SYD maintains it for the ultra level backup in case anything else fails? Comments?
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:06 am

qf2220 wrote:
Flyerqf wrote:
Assuming QF only gets 1 additional slot at HND, I think they will increase SYD HND to 2 flights per day. 1 with a 787 and the other an A330.


IMV it will be the same aircraft. Why have 2 aircraft types going to the one place when you can have one and simplify everything by a factor of half.


It’s still TYO where A330s would go to NRT, QF have said at this stage the plan is for MEL-HND A330 and a second SYD-HND A330 with the 789 replacing the 744 flight to keep Premium capacity, they did want the A380 to HND, not sure if they still will if it did happen to be allowed?

Also depends on exact times re which aircraft do to HND for a second SYD flight, the 789s are brand new and they may not want a second frame potentially parked for several hours a day.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:48 am

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With VA removing the Samsung tablets from International J at the end of this month, does anyone have in insights what VA is planning todo to compensate?

Obviously the most travellers in J have there own device, but sometimes on an 4-5hr flight it’s great to preserve your battery etc and watching an movie on an iPhone isn’t the most practical.

Just seems an bit of an odd step backs for J, that is already an very minimal hard product. Hopefully they will start to offer J You passengers an WIFI voucher or something.

I believe they are installing USB charging throughout their 737 fleet.

Basic WiFi is free with a charged higher capacity available.if you want streaming etc.

You have a complete obsession about the J class of QF's and VA's 737s and its perceived product completely ignoring the fact that NZ's equivalent A320 product is non-existent. NZ persist with a product more comparable with JQ.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:57 am

tullamarine wrote:
zkncj wrote:
With VA removing the Samsung tablets from International J at the end of this month, does anyone have in insights what VA is planning todo to compensate?

Obviously the most travellers in J have there own device, but sometimes on an 4-5hr flight it’s great to preserve your battery etc and watching an movie on an iPhone isn’t the most practical.

Just seems an bit of an odd step backs for J, that is already an very minimal hard product. Hopefully they will start to offer J You passengers an WIFI voucher or something.

I believe they are installing USB charging throughout their 737 fleet.

Basic WiFi is free with a charged higher capacity available.if you want streaming etc.



WIFI Isn't free on the Tasman/Pacific/Bali flights (well you get 15minutes free) then you must pay.

tullamarine wrote:
You have a complete obsession about the J class of QF's and VA's 737s and its perceived product completely ignoring the fact that NZ's equivalent A320 product is non-existent. NZ persist with a product more comparable with JQ.


NZ isn't charging for an J product on there A321/320s were as QF/VA is.

The fact the that QF charges the same for J on the A332 and 738 on the Tasman is an tad odd the product experience is very different
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:56 am

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The fact the that QF charges the same for J on the A332 and 738 on the Tasman is an tad odd the product experience is very different


That's hardly noteworthy, it's the same to PER on both QF and VA.

If you are expecting an A330 and get a 737 you would be disappointed, sure, but let's be realistic: we're talking about 3-4 hour flights. Unless it's a red-eye the flat bed seat is in the 'nice to have' category more than a deal breaker. Everything else about the service costs the same regardless of aircraft type so it's really not that surprising that they are priced equally.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:52 am

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NZ isn't charging for an J product on there A321/320s were as QF/VA is.


Yes that would make sense given NZ don't offer a J product their A320/321's... QF/VA do on their 738's, so what point are you trying to make?
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:09 am

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IMV it will be the same aircraft. Why have 2 aircraft types going to the one place when you can have one and simplify everything by a factor of half.


What difference does it really make? Especially since QF already has multiple A330s and JQ 787s going into TYO every day.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:35 am

Malindo's OD172 flight from SYD-DPS just landed in Bali showing a total flight time of 7:10hrs! That's pretty impressive for a 738.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:51 am

qf002 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
IMV it will be the same aircraft. Why have 2 aircraft types going to the one place when you can have one and simplify everything by a factor of half.


What difference does it really make? Especially since QF already has multiple A330s and JQ 787s going into TYO every day.


I agree, you’d send the aircraft that makes the most sense from a capacity management point of view.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:26 am

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Malindo's OD172 flight from SYD-DPS just landed in Bali showing a total flight time of 7:10hrs! That's pretty impressive for a 738.


Sounds like torture ! Imagine being stuck in the middle seat :shock:
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:32 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
zkncj wrote:

NZ isn't charging for an J product on there A321/320s were as QF/VA is.


Yes that would make sense given NZ don't offer a J product their A320/321's... QF/VA do on their 738's, so what point are you trying to make?

Think he was trying to make a point to tullamarine since tullamarine was trying to compare QF/VA 738's J with NZ's A320/1's Y in terms of hardware.

And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't NZ's A320/1 (for intl ops) equipped with AVOD?

SYDSpotter wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
Malindo's OD172 flight from SYD-DPS just landed in Bali showing a total flight time of 7:10hrs! That's pretty impressive for a 738.


Sounds like torture ! Imagine being stuck in the middle seat :shock:

Think today's wind is probably particularly strong but normally the flight runs for 6.5h... On the other hand Copa does have a dozen of flights on 738 that flies for more than 7h on a daily basis! Imagine sitting in those flights.

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Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:49 am

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Question on windsocks - yes windsocks!

We have reasonably progressed from the day of the windsock with more information about wind available than the windsock can provide but coming into SYD last night i saw the windsock between T2/3 and T1 and was wondering if it really was used by pilots anymore or if it is some vestigial requirement of the air regulations? Or if SYD maintains it for the ultra level backup in case anything else fails? Comments?


I'd be very surprised if including a windsock wasn't still part of the airfield design regulations.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:22 pm

I beg to differ that NZ product is like JQ. The brand new NZ 321 Neo is well ahead in terms of comfort and there is no AVOD on the dated JQ 320s. The on board experience is poles apart between the two.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 8:49 pm

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zkncj wrote:
The fact the that QF charges the same for J on the A332 and 738 on the Tasman is an tad odd the product experience is very different


That's hardly noteworthy, it's the same to PER on both QF and VA.

If you are expecting an A330 and get a 737 you would be disappointed, sure, but let's be realistic: we're talking about 3-4 hour flights. Unless it's a red-eye the flat bed seat is in the 'nice to have' category more than a deal breaker. Everything else about the service costs the same regardless of aircraft type so it's really not that surprising that they are priced equally.


What I was trying to point out was one of the few perks of VA's Tasman Business class has been removed, and there doesn't seem to be much effort to go in to replacing it.

In regards to the the difference between an 738 and wide body J on the Tasman becomes huge when you're doing 1-2 return trips on the Tasman. Its not just about having an flat bed, the more the other perks e.g. an proper seperate cabin, on the 738 you're pretty much on display to everyone else and have Y passengers constantly sneaking up to the forward bathroom.

The A332 J is much more business friendly you're able to do work on your laptop, while having an meal at the same time. You also have an much more sense of space and high quality of service than being on 738.

In regards to the lie flat beds, I've seen plenty of them is use as bed on the Tasman most of the time its around half of the cabin has converted there seats to beds especially if your connect onto some we're else long haul.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:19 pm

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I beg to differ that NZ product is like JQ. The brand new NZ 321 Neo is well ahead in terms of comfort and there is no AVOD on the dated JQ 320s. The on board experience is poles apart between the two.


NZ A321neo seat pitch ranges from 29-31 inches for standard seats and 28-29 inches for JQ.
If you buy a seat or seat+bag ticket, you get complimentary tea/coffee/water on Air NZ and complimentary tv/music/games (but no movies). JQ has complimentary water only and no AVOD.

If thats what you consider poles apart, then ok... :?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:55 pm

SYDSpotter wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
Malindo's OD172 flight from SYD-DPS just landed in Bali showing a total flight time of 7:10hrs! That's pretty impressive for a 738.


Sounds like torture ! Imagine being stuck in the middle seat :shock:


A middle seat is torture on any aircraft for that long... be it a 737 or a 777
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:59 pm

Looks like United is changing the 787-9 to 777-300 Syd to Sfo from December
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 12:26 am

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lessredtape wrote:
recently Nauru Airlines has got into a bit of a mess. Old retired CEO has been brought back this week & has already sacked 2 senior staff.

My question is, with their Australian AOC & Australian registered aircraft, why hasn't some venture capitalists or ? gone to Nauru govt & said, we'll buy airline off you, guarantee a minimum number of services to Nauru & wherever they fly to now, upgrade their fleet to say newer 737s & start doing FIFO or routes where yields are good.

Their old 733 fleet is apparently very "tired".


Ironically they have some good of the newest 733s out there they took an couple of 737-319s from NZ which were 1999 builds (NZ took the last couple of 733s).

In contrast Qantas oldest 738 was delivered in January 2002, so for the scale/tier of Air Nauru an 1999 aircraft isn’t that bad.

Wow that's interesting + air nz could hardly say that their old aircraft are suddenly not safe.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:04 am

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qf2220 wrote:
Question on windsocks - yes windsocks!

We have reasonably progressed from the day of the windsock with more information about wind available than the windsock can provide but coming into SYD last night i saw the windsock between T2/3 and T1 and was wondering if it really was used by pilots anymore or if it is some vestigial requirement of the air regulations? Or if SYD maintains it for the ultra level backup in case anything else fails? Comments?


I'd be very surprised if including a windsock wasn't still part of the airfield design regulations.


All the technology in the world still requires pilots to look out the window when they are on or near a runway. The windsock is the simplest way to see what’s happening, or what’s changing without unnecessary noise or visual distractions inside the cockpit.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:24 am

Just wondering if QF would ever enter into a code sharing arrangement with Samoa Airways. Would be similar to their other south pacific codeshare routes with Air Vanuatu, Aircalin and Fiji Airwarys. Apart from Fiji QF would never fly to these destinations with their own metal. The only current option to Samoa on QF partners is via NAN on FJ.
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:46 am

I haven’t seen any plans to remove the 787 from HKG. Over summer when the A380 is on SYD-HKG, it moves to MEL-HKG. But then it reverts back to SYD-HKG and remains in place after BNE-ORD and BNE-SFO has started.


Had a quick look at timetables for early December and it looks like the A380 won't returning to HKG for a while. QF127/128 will be operated by a 744 and QF117/118 a mix of A333 and A332 as usual. Guessing the shortage of A380's currently and the reduced demand to HKG made this an easier swap?
 
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:11 am

bjwonline wrote:
I haven’t seen any plans to remove the 787 from HKG. Over summer when the A380 is on SYD-HKG, it moves to MEL-HKG. But then it reverts back to SYD-HKG and remains in place after BNE-ORD and BNE-SFO has started.


Had a quick look at timetables for early December and it looks like the A380 won't returning to HKG for a while. QF127/128 will be operated by a 744 and QF117/118 a mix of A333 and A332 as usual. Guessing the shortage of A380's currently and the reduced demand to HKG made this an easier swap?

A380 is on QF127/128 from 11-Dec to 28-Mar then back to 787 from 29-Mar.

The 747 looks to be covering for a couple of weeks in early December. The refurb program could be behind schedule causing the 747 to be rostered.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 2:51 am

zkncj wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
zkncj wrote:
The fact the that QF charges the same for J on the A332 and 738 on the Tasman is an tad odd the product experience is very different


That's hardly noteworthy, it's the same to PER on both QF and VA.

If you are expecting an A330 and get a 737 you would be disappointed, sure, but let's be realistic: we're talking about 3-4 hour flights. Unless it's a red-eye the flat bed seat is in the 'nice to have' category more than a deal breaker. Everything else about the service costs the same regardless of aircraft type so it's really not that surprising that they are priced equally.


What I was trying to point out was one of the few perks of VA's Tasman Business class has been removed, and there doesn't seem to be much effort to go in to replacing it.

In regards to the the difference between an 738 and wide body J on the Tasman becomes huge when you're doing 1-2 return trips on the Tasman. Its not just about having an flat bed, the more the other perks e.g. an proper seperate cabin, on the 738 you're pretty much on display to everyone else and have Y passengers constantly sneaking up to the forward bathroom.

The A332 J is much more business friendly you're able to do work on your laptop, while having an meal at the same time. You also have an much more sense of space and high quality of service than being on 738.

In regards to the lie flat beds, I've seen plenty of them is use as bed on the Tasman most of the time its around half of the cabin has converted there seats to beds especially if your connect onto some we're else long haul.


No one disagrees that the 738 is an inferior to the A330. However, frequency is also key and you need to consider the wider QF network (QF would have to park four A330s overnight in AKL). I would also question whether there's enough Y demand to sustain an all A330s ops (at least to AKL).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 3:08 am

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NZ516 wrote:
I beg to differ that NZ product is like JQ. The brand new NZ 321 Neo is well ahead in terms of comfort and there is no AVOD on the dated JQ 320s. The on board experience is poles apart between the two.


NZ A321neo seat pitch ranges from 29-31 inches for standard seats and 28-29 inches for JQ.
If you buy a seat or seat+bag ticket, you get complimentary tea/coffee/water on Air NZ and complimentary tv/music/games (but no movies). JQ has complimentary water only and no AVOD.

If thats what you consider poles apart, then ok... :?


The difference is with the density of the cabin with 165 seats in the neo compared with 180 on the JQ 320 which feeds far more cramped in an extra 15 more seats. Plus they are much newer some only a month old compared with the 10 plus year old of some of the JQ fleet. Still big difference between the two for my experience.
 
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:07 am

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The difference is with the density of the cabin with 165 seats in the neo compared with 180 on the JQ 320 which feeds far more cramped in an extra 15 more seats. Plus they are much newer some only a month old compared with the 10 plus year old of some of the JQ fleet. Still big difference between the two for my experience.


But you were initially comparing the NZ A321neo product to JQ?

So lets compare seat count on the NZ A321 neo: 214 vs 220/230 on JQ's A321's. If you take the 220 seat version of JQ, it's only 6 extra seats (i.e. 1 row) more than NZ.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:21 am

qf2048 wrote:
Just wondering if QF would ever enter into a code sharing arrangement with Samoa Airways. Would be similar to their other south pacific codeshare routes with Air Vanuatu, Aircalin and Fiji Airwarys. Apart from Fiji QF would never fly to these destinations with their own metal. The only current option to Samoa on QF partners is via NAN on FJ.


QF does fly to NOU with their own metal though besides the SB codeshares, from both SYD and BNE. I guess Lots of corporate and some government traffic (connecting from Europe), so quite different proposition to the other destinations.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:31 am

All the NOU-Europe (read: Paris) is locked in with SB/AF via Japan.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 6:18 pm

SYDSpotter wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
The difference is with the density of the cabin with 165 seats in the neo compared with 180 on the JQ 320 which feeds far more cramped in an extra 15 more seats. Plus they are much newer some only a month old compared with the 10 plus year old of some of the JQ fleet. Still big difference between the two for my experience.


But you were initially comparing the NZ A321neo product to JQ?

So lets compare seat count on the NZ A321 neo: 214 vs 220/230 on JQ's A321's. If you take the 220 seat version of JQ, it's only 6 extra seats (i.e. 1 row) more than NZ.


That is of course correct. However they only use them domestically in Australia and not over the Tasman.
Jetstar only use the 180 seat 320 over the ditch. They will be getting their first Neos soon next year I think it is. Which will make a big difference between the old and new for the customer experience.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:24 pm

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qf2048 wrote:
Just wondering if QF would ever enter into a code sharing arrangement with Samoa Airways. Would be similar to their other south pacific codeshare routes with Air Vanuatu, Aircalin and Fiji Airwarys. Apart from Fiji QF would never fly to these destinations with their own metal. The only current option to Samoa on QF partners is via NAN on FJ.


QF does fly to NOU with their own metal though besides the SB codeshares, from both SYD and BNE. I guess Lots of corporate and some government traffic (connecting from Europe), so quite different proposition to the other destinations.


Samoan Airways is still quite new and exists with only one wet-leased Malindo 737. Perhaps when they have their own aircraft we may see a code share arrangement pop up, however, this would probably also require OL upgrading their systems from the basic system they use at present.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 12:18 am

I'm that bad type.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:25 am

Qantas16 wrote:
A350OZ wrote:
qf2048 wrote:
Just wondering if QF would ever enter into a code sharing arrangement with Samoa Airways. Would be similar to their other south pacific codeshare routes with Air Vanuatu, Aircalin and Fiji Airwarys. Apart from Fiji QF would never fly to these destinations with their own metal. The only current option to Samoa on QF partners is via NAN on FJ.


QF does fly to NOU with their own metal though besides the SB codeshares, from both SYD and BNE. I guess Lots of corporate and some government traffic (connecting from Europe), so quite different proposition to the other destinations.


Samoan Airways is still quite new and exists with only one wet-leased Malindo 737. Perhaps when they have their own aircraft we may see a code share arrangement pop up, however, this would probably also require OL upgrading their systems from the basic system they use at present.


Samoa Airways is not quite as basic as having just one leased plane. Last week, I got some nice photos and had a couple of flights on one of their Twin Otters, the 45-year old 5W-STF between Apia and Pago Pago. I also got good views and photos of their other Twin Otter, 5W-FAW, which like 5W-STF is ex-Polynesian Airways.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:13 am

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budgetflyer wrote:

On a related note, could there be any potential for new routes / increased frequencies on existing routes as part of VA's upcoming network shakeup?


One would think HBA could be in line for increased frequencies given it has yet again performed the best of the top 10 airports on the latest BITRE figures for July, which are available at: https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/domestic_airline_activity-monthly_publications.aspx

This data shows the same story from past months: the domestic market is stagnant overall, with some markets growing while others decline. The moving average domestic total graph on page three is quite stark.

One further comment about SYD-MCY, which has been one of the strongest performing routes of late: current schedules show JQ dropping a service just prior to the Christmas/New Year peak — is a subsidy due to expire then?


Perhaps - VA have certainly helped contribute to the growth of HBA pax numbers with extra BNE and SYD services as well as the launch of HBA-PER flights. Speaking of this route, does anyone have any idea how it is performing? I certainly hope to see it survive VA's network rationalisation.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:30 am

A350OZ wrote:
qf2048 wrote:
Just wondering if QF would ever enter into a code sharing arrangement with Samoa Airways. Would be similar to their other south pacific codeshare routes with Air Vanuatu, Aircalin and Fiji Airwarys. Apart from Fiji QF would never fly to these destinations with their own metal. The only current option to Samoa on QF partners is via NAN on FJ.


QF does fly to NOU with their own metal though besides the SB codeshares, from both SYD and BNE. I guess Lots of corporate and some government traffic (connecting from Europe), so quite different proposition to the other destinations.


Ah yes! Forgot about QF 89/91 to NOU. Aircalin do fly their A330's to NRT and KIX with connections to Europe with Flying Blue partner AF.
Did OL order the (1) 737 MAX? hence that's why they are leasing the Malindo 737 8?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:08 am

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Did OL order the (1) 737 MAX? hence that's why they are leasing the Malindo 737 8?

Samoa Air had a 737 Max 9 on order, so to fill the gap they have a 737-800 (not a 737-8) on wet lease from Malindo. They had previously had a Neos 737-800 on wet lease when they started up jet operations, which had been planned to be replaced by the Max. It is not clear what is going to happen in the long term - there are still a few options on the table from what I understand.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:02 am

Alliance's F70 -QQW has started her return journey to Oz from the UK, she looks absolutely tremendous in her silver 100 year centennial livery, will be arguably one of the most appealing liveries gracing our skies. Just after confirmation which base she is destined for.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:54 pm

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Alliance's F70 -QQW has started her return journey to Oz from the UK, she looks absolutely tremendous in her silver 100 year centennial livery, will be arguably one of the most appealing liveries gracing our skies. Just after confirmation which base she is destined for.


Rumour I heard was it would be PER
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:21 pm

budgetflyer wrote:
TasFlyer wrote:
budgetflyer wrote:

On a related note, could there be any potential for new routes / increased frequencies on existing routes as part of VA's upcoming network shakeup?


One would think HBA could be in line for increased frequencies given it has yet again performed the best of the top 10 airports on the latest BITRE figures for July, which are available at: https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/domestic_airline_activity-monthly_publications.aspx

This data shows the same story from past months: the domestic market is stagnant overall, with some markets growing while others decline. The moving average domestic total graph on page three is quite stark.

One further comment about SYD-MCY, which has been one of the strongest performing routes of late: current schedules show JQ dropping a service just prior to the Christmas/New Year peak — is a subsidy due to expire then?


Perhaps - VA have certainly helped contribute to the growth of HBA pax numbers with extra BNE and SYD services as well as the launch of HBA-PER flights. Speaking of this route, does anyone have any idea how it is performing? I certainly hope to see it survive VA's network rationalisation.


HBA-PER appears to be performing well. The usual three services per week have been increased to five for this week, and then four per week for the remainder of NS19. Interestingly, these increases were made after Scurrah announced domestic cutbacks earlier this year, which is a positive sign. Contrast this though with the lack so far of any increase on this route over Christmas/New Year — it seems very inconsistent given HBA-MEL, HBA-SYD, and HBA-BNE have received the usual increases; yet HBA-PER, which increased up to six per week last Christmas/New Year, remains at three services per week. Hopefully they won't just milk it over peak season and then drop it; there's a lot of new hotel rooms opening up in HBA during 2020, which has traditionally been the limiting factor for growth.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:04 pm

Qantas16 wrote:
QF744ER wrote:
Alliance's F70 -QQW has started her return journey to Oz from the UK, she looks absolutely tremendous in her silver 100 year centennial livery, will be arguably one of the most appealing liveries gracing our skies. Just after confirmation which base she is destined for.


Rumour I heard was it would be PER
Confirmed from SXI it’s bound for PER
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:24 am

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Pretty much the subsidy had ended and yields are not strong enough to continue this route without the subsidy.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - September 2019

Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:48 am

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