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Blerg wrote:Wasn't there a plan to build a second airport in New Delhi?
unrave wrote:Blerg wrote:Wasn't there a plan to build a second airport in New Delhi?
Not exactly in Delhi but 80km to its south. Tenders will likely be called before end of the year
edealinfo wrote:JOYA380B747 wrote:India's biggest loss w.r.t global aviation (so far) - Being an Australasia-Europe stopover.
How could this be true? For instance, SYD to LHR passes through China and no where through India
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=LHR-SYD
MEL- LHR (only passes at the very edge of India's far eastern states that doesn't have an international airport)
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=LHR-MEL
Perth -LHR only skims through southern India
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=LHR-per
So, if I understand that maps correctly, India is not an ideal stop over point from Australia to London. Maybe, I am not understanding your viewpoint or logic.
edealinfo wrote:https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/49-lifts-15k-staff-area-of-65-football-fields-all-about-amazon-hyderabad-hq-1568302600988.html
With Hyderabd home to all the tech majors with GIANT offices, why aren't international airlines like Lufthansa, Air France, KLM, and United not tapping into it???? Lufthansa, KLM, or Air France may be better placed because of the shorter stage length and their breadth of connections to Europe and North America. Since Lufthansa started a second daily to BLR, this means that they are less likely to start service to HYD than Air France and KLM.
Sometime back, when Jet was alive and well, I had read an article that KLM was interested in starting 3X weekly to HYD but that plan never got off the ground. But KLM, instead started 3X to BLR.
So, what in your opinion is the most likely European carrier to start service to HYD? [British Airways already services HYD and is probably having a ball while other European carriers are sleeping at the wheel].
CaliguyNYC wrote:edealinfo wrote:https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/49-lifts-15k-staff-area-of-65-football-fields-all-about-amazon-hyderabad-hq-1568302600988.html
With Hyderabd home to all the tech majors with GIANT offices, why aren't international airlines like Lufthansa, Air France, KLM, and United not tapping into it???? Lufthansa, KLM, or Air France may be better placed because of the shorter stage length and their breadth of connections to Europe and North America. Since Lufthansa started a second daily to BLR, this means that they are less likely to start service to HYD than Air France and KLM.
Sometime back, when Jet was alive and well, I had read an article that KLM was interested in starting 3X weekly to HYD but that plan never got off the ground. But KLM, instead started 3X to BLR.
So, what in your opinion is the most likely European carrier to start service to HYD? [British Airways already services HYD and is probably having a ball while other European carriers are sleeping at the wheel].
My guess is the business class traffic just isn’t there. If HYD gets a lot of outsourcing tech jobs, those employees might not get J class travel. Also the immigrants in the US from HYD area (the majority not all) are relatively recent when compared to those that came in 60/70/80’s. It is the older VFR that has established themselves in the US and is now paying for J class as the retire / get on in age. That is all I can think of. Otherwise it makes no sense. BLR is driven off of business traffic and BOM is driven off of business plus affluent local residents and affluent VFR.
edealinfo wrote:According to IATA, currently 4 airports in India (Delhi, Bombay, Madras, and Calcutta) are "Level 3 slot-coordinated facilities" which means that these airports don't have either the runway, ramp or gate capacity to handle all of the flights that commercial airlines, cargo carriers and other air service providers would like to operate there.
I guess this means that getting slots to these airports are "prized". I hope Visatra, the airline that I am rooting for, jumps on any slots that will open up at these 4 airports before the competition ups the ante, and goes for slots just for the sake of getting it while it is available (and worry about profitability later).
Separately, the Level 2 airports (i.e., restrictions on prime time slot availability) are below
Ahmedabad
Bangalore
Calicut
Hyderabad
Jaipur
Trivandrum
Are any of you surprised by any of the Level 2 airport listings?
I am surprised that Goa and Pune are not on the Level 2 and 3 list. I always thought these 2 airports had major constraints.
edealinfo wrote:
Separately, the 6 largest India cities are presumably BOM, DEL, HYD, BLR, MAA and CCU. Which is the 7th and 8th largest City?
edealinfo wrote:And, what's the logic of Vistara opening Indore as a new route from Delhi? I understand that they also opened Udaipur and Jodhpur as additional destinations but the logic for these were that tourists were willing to shell $ for a full service flight.
VTORD wrote:edealinfo wrote:I would expect to see UK starting BOM-IDR as well sooner than later.
VTORD wrote:edealinfo wrote:And, what's the logic of Vistara opening Indore as a new route from Delhi? I understand that they also opened Udaipur and Jodhpur as additional destinations but the logic for these were that tourists were willing to shell $ for a full service flight.
Significant manufacturing - automotive, pharma, packaging. Have been hearing some buzz about IDR coming up as a start up hub over the last 18 months now but don't hold me to that though. I would assume Indore is also very convenient for the GoI folks who visit the note press about an hour out in Dewas. I would expect to see UK starting BOM-IDR as well sooner than later. Business ties + deep cultural and familial ties between Maharashtra, Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh esp., the Gwalior-Indore-Dhar-Dewas belt.
RemoFlyer wrote:
No self respecting Star FF would set foot on AI. There is a slew of one stop options to India from IAD.
Blerg wrote:Are they offering connection in CCU hence the night flight?
Blerg wrote:Are they offering connection in CCU hence the night flight?
edealinfo wrote:
So, what do you think are chances of this happening?
unrave wrote:edealinfo wrote:
So, what do you think are chances of this happening?
Zero. Such an acquisition will flout shareholding norms
Blerg wrote:Are they offering connection in CCU hence the night flight?
vadodara wrote:Blerg wrote:My guess a flurry of new services to SE Asian destinations from DEL, CCU, MAA and possibly from BOM/BLR.
edealinfo wrote:What you said about Indore provides good reasoning for starting flights there. BOM- IDR, though would depend on slot availability at BOM
Do you know how many of jet's slots Vistara received? I think it was something like 44 slots (or 22 slot pairs). If this is the case, how many of the 22 slot pairs have they already utilized?
VTORD wrote:edealinfo wrote:What you said about Indore provides good reasoning for starting flights there. BOM- IDR, though would depend on slot availability at BOM
Do you know how many of jet's slots Vistara received? I think it was something like 44 slots (or 22 slot pairs). If this is the case, how many of the 22 slot pairs have they already utilized?
48 is what they received in Mumbai. I am not sure when exactly they started adding BOM - XXX (non-DEL) but back of the envelope google search should put them at or just above the half way point including the last 3. So assuming that I am not off by a lot, they have some breathing space in terms of slots.
VTORD wrote:^^ More than likely a payload issue IMHO. But still if they had to remove the entire flight's bags, that's a worrying sign for sure. Does anyone know what the baggage allowance is for 6E's IST flights?
edealinfo wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised. In a recent meeting with airlines, the Minister said that bilaterals would not be increased, particularly to the Gulf, and that airlines need to explore connecting Indian cities to ASEAN countries, specifically, for which they are not currently constrained by bilaterals.
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edealinfo wrote:VTORD wrote:^^ More than likely a payload issue IMHO. But still if they had to remove the entire flight's bags, that's a worrying sign for sure. Does anyone know what the baggage allowance is for 6E's IST flights?
Problem has now run 2 days in a row! indigo says that because of the sting headwinds they need to substitute luggage for more fuel. I just don’t understand why the can’t instead do a tech stop
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 37412.html
edealinfo wrote:VTORD wrote:^^ More than likely a payload issue IMHO. But still if they had to remove the entire flight's bags, that's a worrying sign for sure. Does anyone know what the baggage allowance is for 6E's IST flights?
Problem has now run 2 days in a row! indigo says that because of the sting headwinds they need to substitute luggage for more fuel. I just don’t understand why the can’t instead do a tech stop
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 37412.html
edealinfo wrote:unrave wrote:edealinfo wrote:
So, what do you think are chances of this happening?
Zero. Such an acquisition will flout shareholding norms
How could it if Tata’s And Singapore acquire 51percent/ 49 percent in Air Asia India and then merge it with Vistara in which they have identical shareholding?
CollegeAviator wrote:IndiGo adds Guangzhou service from mid-Oct 2019
Indian low-cost carrier IndiGo last week filed additional new route to China, with the scheduling of Kolkata – Guangzhou route. From 17OCT19, Airbus A320 aircraft to operate this route on daily basis.
6E1376 CCU2040 – 0250+1CAN 320 D
6E1377 CAN0350 – 0505CCU 320 D
From Airlineroute.net
unrave wrote:CNBCTV18 reports that Rahul Bhatia and the CEO of Turkish Airlines met the Civil Aviation minister to request additional flying rights to Turkey. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
sibibom wrote:Why?unrave wrote:CNBCTV18 reports that Rahul Bhatia and the CEO of Turkish Airlines met the Civil Aviation minister to request additional flying rights to Turkey. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
They are going to get nada! And deservingly so.
Yakamoz wrote:sibibom wrote:Why?unrave wrote:CNBCTV18 reports that Rahul Bhatia and the CEO of Turkish Airlines met the Civil Aviation minister to request additional flying rights to Turkey. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
They are going to get nada! And deservingly so.
VTCIE wrote:With this, CCU has become a big Southeast Asian hub for 6E, with service to HKG, SGN, HAN and now CAN, in addition to the standard BKK and SIN. Also on the cards is RGN.
avier wrote:VTCIE wrote:With this, CCU has become a big Southeast Asian hub for 6E, with service to HKG, SGN, HAN and now CAN, in addition to the standard BKK and SIN. Also on the cards is RGN.
CCU- RGN was announced a while back, and begins in a few days from now.
Yakamoz wrote:sibibom wrote:Why?unrave wrote:CNBCTV18 reports that Rahul Bhatia and the CEO of Turkish Airlines met the Civil Aviation minister to request additional flying rights to Turkey. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
They are going to get nada! And deservingly so.
edealinfo wrote:Yakamoz wrote:sibibom wrote:Why?
They are going to get nada! And deservingly so.
Simple. They support Pakistan’s position over India’s as it relates to Kash, and then they ask for like 10 additional daily frequencies . They just don’t know how to play this politically even though the writing is on the wall. Their best chance is to have asked for an additional frequency to Amritsar alone which is the aviation minister’s constituency and obtained local business and religious support for the flight which would give the minister enough political cover to provide the right to that 1x daily flight without stirring a hornet’s nest. But, the dummies, instead, ask for the moon. too bad they don’t have formal courses on effective lobbying in India.
vadodara wrote:avier wrote:VTCIE wrote:With this, CCU has become a big Southeast Asian hub for 6E, with service to HKG, SGN, HAN and now CAN, in addition to the standard BKK and SIN. Also on the cards is RGN.
CCU- RGN was announced a while back, and begins in a few days from now.
Likely logic will be additional services to SE Asia from other airports.