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OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW/ORD

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:16 pm

FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

2E HOM-KEB OCT 0.5>0[0.5]
2E HOM-SOV OCT 0.5>7[0.5]
2E KEB-PGM OCT 0.5>0[0.5]
2E PGM-SOV OCT 0.5>0[0.5]

*4B MCE-SMF OCT 0>1.4[0] NOV 0>1.4[0] DEC 0>1.5[0] JAN 0>0.2[0]
4B PDT-PDX DEC 3>4[3]

4O MEX-MIA DEC 1.0>1.6[1.7]

7H ANI-SLQ JUN 0.2>0[0]
7H ANI-SRV JUN 0.2>0.4[0.4]
7H BET-EEK JUN 1.8>0.4[0.4]
7H BET-KPN JUN 1.4>1.9[1.8]
7H BET-KWK JUN 0.9>1.4[1.4]
7H BET-KWN JUN 3>1.9[1.8]
7H BET-MYU JUN 1.0>0[0]
7H BET-OOK JUN 1.0>0[0]
7H BET-SCM JUN 1.8>1.4[1.4]
7H BET-VAK JUN 1.3>0.9[0.9]
7H BET-WTL JUN 3>1.4[1.4]
7H BET-WWT JUN 1.4>0[0]
7H CKD-RDV JUN 0.2>0.4[0.4]
7H CKD-SLQ JUN 0.2>0[0]
7H GAL-KAL JUN 0.7>1.0[1.0]
7H GAL-NUL JUN 0.7>1.0[1.0]
7H GAM-OME JUN 0.9>1.4[1.4]
7H GAM-SVA JUN 0.9>1.4[1.4]
7H HPB-SCM JUN 1.3>0.9[0.9]
7H HPB-VAK JUN 1.8>1.4[1.4]
7H KAL-NUL JUN 0.7>1.0[1.0]
7H KPN-KWK JUN 0.5>0[0]
7H KTS-TLA JUN 0.9>0[0]
7H KWN-TOG JUN 0.9>0[0]
7H NME-TNK JUN 1.0>0[0]
7H OME-SVA JUN 0.9>1.4[1.4]
7H OME-TLA JUN 0.9>0[0]
7H OOK-TNK JUN 0.4>1.4[1.4]
7H RDV-SLQ JUN 0.2>0.4[0.4]
7H SLQ-SRV JUN 0.2>0.4[0.4]
7H TNK-WWT JUN 1.4>0[0]

AA ABE-PHL DEC 4>3[3]
AA ABQ-ORD DEC 2>1.5[1.4]
AA ACK-LGA JUN 0>0.4[0.3]
AA ANC-LAX JUN 0>0.9[0.6]
**AA ANC-ORD MAY 0>0.8[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
AA ASE-DFW JUN 1.0>3[1.8]
AA ASE-ORD DEC 0.9>0.5[0.8]
AA ASE-PHX JUN 0>0.9[0.8]
AA ATL-CLT DEC 9>7[8]
AA ATL-LGA DEC 5>4[5]
AA ATL-ORD DEC 5>4[5]
AA ATL-PHL NOV 5>4[5] DEC 6>5[5]
*AA AUS-JFK NOV 1.9>1.0[1.9] DEC 2>1.1[2]
AA AUS-MIA DEC 3>2[3]
AA AVL-DFW DEC 1.0>1.4[0]
AA AVP-PHL DEC 4>3[3]
AA BDL-DFW DEC 2>1.3[1.5]
AA BDL-MIA DEC 1.1>1.5[1.0]
AA BDL-PHL DEC 5>4[5]
AA BGR-CLT JUN 0>1.1[1.0]
AA BGR-LGA DEC 0>0.5[0] JUN 0>0.5[0.3]
AA BGR-PHL DEC 5>4[4]
AA BHM-DFW DEC 7>5[5]
AA BHM-ORD DEC 2>1.6[2]
AA BHM-PHL DEC 3>2[2.0]
AA BIS-DFW DEC 2>1.5[1.3]
AA BNA-MIA NOV 3>2[3]
AA BNA-PHL DEC 6>4[3]
Shuttle markets get smaller and smaller. NOV now seeing big cuts.
*AA BOS-DCA NOV 13>10[13] DEC 14>10[10] JAN 14>13[12]
AA BOS-DFW DEC 8>6[6]
*AA BOS-JFK NOV 3>1.7[3] DEC 6>2[3]
*AA BOS-LGA NOV 10>8[10] DEC 12>8[8] JAN 12>11[10]
AA BOS-MIA NOV 6>5[6]
AA BOS-ORD NOV 8>7[8] DEC 9>6[7]
AA BRO-DFW DEC 4>3[3]
AA BTR-DFW DEC 7>5[5]
AA BTV-PHL DEC 5>4[4]
AA BUF-PHL DEC 6>4[5]
AA BWI-CLT DEC 9>8[7]
AA BWI-DFW DEC 4>3[3]
*AA BWI-JFK NOV 2>1.0[0.9] DEC 5>1.0[1.0]
AA BWI-MIA DEC 3>2[3]
AA BWI-ORD DEC 5>4[3]
AA BWI-PHX NOV 1.9>0.9[1.7]
AA BZE-MIA DEC 1.5>1.1[2]
AA BZN-DFW JUN 1.0>1.9[1.9]
**AA BZN-LAX JUN 0>0.9[0]
AA CAE-DFW DEC 2>3[1.9]
AA CHS-PHL DEC 5>3[3]
AA CID-ORD DEC 7>6[5]
*AA CLE-JFK NOV 1.2>0.7[3] DEC 2>0.5[3]
AA CLE-PHL DEC 6>4[5]
AA CLT-DEN DEC 6>4[5]
AA CLT-EWN DEC 6>5[5]
AA CLT-EWR DEC 9>8[6]
AA CLT-FLL DEC 9>8[6]
AA CLT-GPT DEC 2>3[1.7]
AA CLT-IAH DEC 6>5[5]
AA CLT-ILM DEC 9>8[8]
AA CLT-JFK NOV 7>6[6] DEC 6>5[5]
AA CLT-ORD DEC 10>9[9]
AA CLT-PHF DEC 6>5[5]
AA CLT-PUJ DEC 1.3>1.0[1.6]
**AA CLT-RAP MAY 0>0.8[0] JUN 0>1.0[0.8]
AA CLT-SAV DEC 9>8[8]
AA CLT-SDF DEC 8>7[7]
AA CLT-SJU DEC 1.0>0.7[0.9]
*AA CMH-JFK NOV 1.2>0.9[0.9] DEC 2>1.0[1.0]
AA CMH-PHL DEC 7>5[5]
AA CUN-JFK DEC 2>1.2[2]
AA CUN-MIA NOV 5>4[5] DEC 5>4[5]
AA CUR-MIA NOV 2.0>1.0[2]
AA CVG-DFW DEC 5>4[4]
AA CVG-PHL DEC 6>5[5]
AA DAY-PHL DEC 5>3[5]
AA DCA-DFW DEC 10>9[8]
*AA DCA-JFK NOV 3>1.9[4] DEC 4>3[4]
*AA DCA-LGA NOV 9>8[10] DEC 11>8[8] JAN 11>10[9]
AA DCA-MCI DEC 3>2[2]
AA DCA-MGM DEC 1.0>0.7[0.7]
AA DCA-MYR DEC 1.1>0.3[1.0]
AA DCA-ORD DEC 9>8[9]
AA DCA-RSW DEC 0.5>1.0[1.0]
AA DCA-STL DEC 5>4[3]
AA DCA-TPA DEC 3>4[3]
AA DCA-YYZ DEC 3>1.7[1.8]
AA DFW-EGE JUN 0.9>1.8[1.7]
**AA DFW-FAI MAY 0>0.8[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
AA DFW-FAT DEC 2.0>3[2] JAN 1.9>2[2]
AA DFW-FSD DEC 2>3[2]
AA DFW-GEG DEC 1.0>1.4[1.0]
AA DFW-GPT NOV 3>2[2]
AA DFW-HOU DEC 8>7[7]
AA DFW-HSV DEC 6>5[4]
AA DFW-IAD DEC 4>3[4]
AA DFW-IAH DEC 10>8[8]
AA DFW-JAC JUN 1.0>2[2.0]
*AA DFW-JFK NOV 4>2[3] DEC 4>3[3]
AA DFW-LAS DEC 11>10[9]
AA DFW-LGA DEC 13>12[11]
AA DFW-MAF DEC 8>7[6]
AA DFW-MCI DEC 8>7[6]
AA DFW-MFE DEC 8>7[7]
AA DFW-MIA DEC 11>12[10]
AA DFW-MKE DEC 4>3[3]
AA DFW-MLM DEC 1.0>1.4[1.0]
AA DFW-MSP DEC 6>5[5]
AA DFW-MTJ JUN 1.0>1.9[3]
AA DFW-OAK NOV 0.9>0[1.0]
AA DFW-ORD DEC 14>13[12]
AA DFW-PHL DEC 9>8[9]
AA DFW-PHX DEC 12>13[12]
AA DFW-RIC DEC 3>2[3]
AA DFW-RNO DEC 2>3[2]
AA DFW-SBP DEC 1.0>1.5[0]
AA DFW-SEA DEC 8>7[7]
AA DFW-SRQ DEC 1.0>1.9[0.4]
AA DFW-STL DEC 8>6[6]
AA DFW-SWO DEC 3>2[2]
AA DFW-TXK DEC 4>3[4]
AA DFW-VPS DEC 5>3[4]
AA DFW-YUM DEC 1.0>1.9[0]
AA DFW-YYZ NOV 3>1.9[3] DEC 3>1.8[2.0]
AA DSM-PHL DEC 1.9>1.0[2]
AA DTW-ORD DEC 7>5[7]
AA DTW-PHL DEC 6>5[5]
**AA FAI-ORD MAY 0>0.8[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
AA FSD-PHX DEC 1.0>1.3[0.7]
AA FWA-PHL DEC 1.9>1.0[2]
AA GRR-PHL DEC 3>2.0[3]
AA HSV-ORD DEC 2>1.3[1.4]
AA IAH-ORD NOV 4>3[3] DEC 4>3[3]
AA IAH-PHL DEC 4>2[2]
AA IND-ORD DEC 8>7[8]
AA IPT-PHL DEC 3>2.0[2.0]
AA JAC-ORD JUN 0.9>1.8[1.7]
AA JAC-PHX JUN 0>0.9[0.8]
AA JAX-ORD DEC 3>2[1.9]
More chopping of JFK
*AA JFK-LAS DEC 2>0.5[1.8]
*AA JFK-LAX DEC 12>10[11]
*AA JFK-MIA NOV 7>6[6] DEC 8>7[6]
AA JFK-ORD NOV 2>1.6[1.0] DEC 1.0>1.5[1.4] JAN 1.0>1.2[1.9]
*AA JFK-PHL NOV 1.4>0.6[1.0] DEC 5>0.8[1.0]
*AA JFK-PHX NOV 6>4[4]
*AA JFK-PIT NOV 1.9>1.3[1.0] DEC 4>1.2[1.0]
*AA JFK-RDU NOV 3>2[4] DEC 4>2[4]
*AA JFK-RIC NOV 0.8>0.5[0] DEC 3>1.2[0]
*AA JFK-SAN NOV 1.5>0[1.6] DEC 1.0>0.5[1.8]
*AA JFK-SEA NOV 1.2>0[0.9]
*AA JFK-YUL DEC 1.9>0.6[2]
*AA JFK-YYZ NOV 1.8>1.3[1.9] DEC 2>0.9[2]
AA LAS-ORD DEC 5>4[4]
AA LAX-RDU DEC 1.5>1.1[1.3]
AA LAX-STS DEC 0.1>0.5[0]
AA LAX-XNA DEC 1.9>1.4[1.0]
AA LEX-PHL DEC 3>2[3]
AA LGA-MCO DEC 1.0>1.2[0.9]
AA LGA-MIA NOV 12>10[12]
AA LGA-MSP DEC 3>1.5[1.8]
AA LGA-MVY JUN 0>0.4[0.3]
*AA LGA-ORD NOV 13>9[13] DEC 14>10[11] JAN 14>13[12]
AA LGA-PBI DEC 0.5>0.7[0.4]
AA LGA-PWM DEC 1.6>0.9[1.6]
AA LGA-STL DEC 4>3[3]
AA LGA-XNA DEC 1.7>1.3[1.3]
AA MCI-ORD DEC 7>5[6]
AA MCI-PHL DEC 3>2[3]
AA MCO-MIA NOV 7>6[7]
AA MDT-PHL DEC 6>5[5]
AA MEM-ORD DEC 5>4[3]
AA MEM-PHL DEC 3>1.8[2.0]
AA MGA-MIA NOV 1.9>1.0[1.9] DEC 2>1.0[2]
AA MHT-PHL DEC 6>4[5]
AA MIA-PAP NOV 1.7>1.1[1.9] DEC 1.9>1.5[2]
AA MIA-PHX DEC 3>4[3]
AA MIA-POP DEC 1.5>1.0[1.4]
AA MIA-PUJ NOV 1.9>1.0[2] DEC 2>1.5[2]
AA MIA-SNU DEC 1.5>1.1[1.1]
AA MIA-TLH DEC 3>4[3]
AA MIA-TPA NOV 6>5[6]
AA MKE-PHL DEC 5>3[4]
AA MSP-ORD DEC 7>5[6]
AA MSP-PHL NOV 2>1.7[2.0] DEC 4>1.9[1.9]
AA MSP-PHX JAN 4>3[3] FEB 4>3[3]
AA MSY-ORD DEC 2.0>1.5[1.8]
AA MSY-PHL NOV 3>1.8[2.0]
AA MTJ-PHX JUN 0>0.9[0.8]
AA MYR-PHL DEC 2>1.4[1.0]
AA OGG-PHX DEC 1.5>1.1[1.4]
AA OKC-PHL DEC 1.9>1.0[1.9]
AA OKC-PHX DEC 1.5>2.0[1.0]
AA OMA-PHL DEC 1.9>1.0[2.0]
AA OMA-PHX DEC 1.0>1.4[1.9]
AA ONT-ORD DEC 0.5>1.0[0]
AA ORD-PDX DEC 2>1.2[1.7]
AA ORD-PHL DEC 9>8[9]
AA ORD-PSP DEC 2>1.4[1.9]
AA ORD-PVD DEC 3>1.9[1.1]
AA ORD-PWM JUN 0>1.8[1.7]
AA ORD-RDU DEC 5>4[3]
AA ORD-SEA DEC 5>4[4]
AA ORD-SFO DEC 6>5[6]
AA ORD-SJC DEC 2>1.5[1.3]
AA ORD-TUS DEC 2>3[1.9]
AA ORD-TVC DEC 5>4[4]
AA ORD-TYS DEC 3>2[3]
AA ORD-XNA DEC 6>5[4]
AA ORD-YQB JUN 0>0.9[0.8]
AA ORD-YUL DEC 2>1.5[2.0]
AA ORD-YYC JUN 1.0>1.9[1.7]
AA PDX-PHL JUN 0>0.9[0.8]
AA PDX-PHX NOV 4>3[4]
AA PHL-PIT DEC 6>5[5]
AA PHL-PNS DEC 1.1>1.5[1.0]
AA PHL-PVD DEC 6>4[5]
AA PHL-PWM DEC 6>4[5]
AA PHL-RIC DEC 7>6[6]
AA PHL-ROA DEC 1.9>1.3[1.8]
AA PHL-ROC DEC 6>4[4]
AA PHL-SAT DEC 1.0>1.4[1.0]
AA PHL-SAV DEC 3>2[2]
AA PHL-SCE DEC 5>4[4]
AA PHL-SDF DEC 4>2[3]
AA PHL-SEA DEC 2>1.4[1.0]
AA PHL-SFO DEC 5>4[4]
AA PHL-YHZ JUN 0>0.9[0.6]
AA PHL-YOW DEC 3>1.9[3]
AA PHL-YQB JUN 0>1.8[1.7]
AA PHX-PIT NOV 1.8>1.4[1.7] DEC 1.1>1.8[1.7]
AA PHX-RDU DEC 1.0>1.8[0]
AA PHX-SAF DEC 1.1>1.8[0.7]
AA PHX-SAT NOV 4>3[4]
AA PHX-SBA DEC 5>4[4]
AA PHX-SFO DEC 5>4[5]
AA PHX-SJC DEC 5>4[5]
AA PHX-TPA DEC 2>3[1.9]
AA PHX-TUS DEC 6>8[7]

AD CNF-FLL DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.5[0] APR 0>0.4[0] MAY 0>0.4[0] JUN 0>0.4[0]

AM FAT-GDL FEB 0.7>0.4[0.7] APR 0.7>0.4[0.7] MAY 0.7>0.5[0.7]
AM GDL-ORD FEB 1.0>0.4[1.0] MAR 1.0>0.4[1.0] APR 1.0>0.4[1.1] MAY 1.0>0.4[1.3]
AM GDL-SMF FEB 1.0>0.4[1.0] MAR 1.0>0.4[1.0] APR 1.0>0.4[1.0] MAY 1.0>0.5[1.0]
AM LAS-MEX MAY 1.3>1.0[1.3]
AM LAX-MEX OCT 2>1.1[5] NOV 2>1.1[5]
AM MCO-MEX MAY 1.3>1.0[1.3]

I have spot-checked a few of these and they do not appear on AS.com
They have not added enough to balance these cuts
**AS ABQ-SAN NOV 1.0>0.1[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 0.8>0[0.6] FEB 0.9>0[0.8] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
**AS ABQ-SFO NOV 1.0>0.1[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[0.2] FEB 1.0>0[0] MAR 1.0>0[0] APR 1.0>0[0] MAY 1.0>0[0] JUN 1.0>0[0.8]
*AS ANC-SFO APR 0>0.3[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
*AS BNA-SFO NOV 1.0>0.1[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0.3[1.0]
*AS BOI-LAX MAR 0>0.8[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0]
**AS BOI-RNO FEB 0.5>0[0.9] MAR 0.9>0[0.8] APR 0.9>0[0.9] MAY 0.9>0[0.9] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
AS BOI-SAN MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0]
AS BOS-SAN MAY 1.0>1.3[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0]
**AS BUR-SJC NOV 3>0.4[3] DEC 3>0[3] JAN 3>0[3] FEB 3>0[3] MAR 3>0[3] APR 3>0[3] MAY 3>0[3] JUN 3>0[3]
*AS BWI-SAN NOV 0.9>0[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[0.8] JAN 1.0>0[0.8] FEB 0.8>0[0.7] MAR 0.8>0[0.8] APR 0.9>0[0.9] MAY 0.9>0.3[0.9]
*AS BWI-SFO NOV 1.0>0.1[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[0.9] FEB 0.9>0[0.9] MAR 0.9>0.4[0.8]
**AS ELP-SAN JAN 1.0>0.2[0] FEB 1.0>0[0.4] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
**AS GEG-LAX JAN 0>1.6[0] FEB 0>2[0] MAR 0>2[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0]
**AS GEG-SFO MAR 0>0.8[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0]
**AS LAX-MSO MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
*AS LAX-PAE FEB 3>2[1.8] MAR 3>2[3] APR 3>2[4] MAY 3>2[4] JUN 3>2[4]
**AS LAX-PHL NOV 1.0>0.1[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[0.9] FEB 1.0>0[0.9] MAR 1.0>0[0.9] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
**AS LAX-RDM JAN 0>0.8[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
**AS MCI-SAN JAN 0.7>0.2[0.9] FEB 0.9>0[0.9] MAR 0.9>0[0.9] APR 0.9>0[0.9] MAY 0.9>0[0.9] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
**AS MCI-SFO NOV 1.0>0.1[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[0.8] FEB 1.0>0[0.8] MAR 0.9>0[0.8] APR 0.9>0[0.9] MAY 0.9>0[0.9] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
AS MCO-SAN MAR 0.7>1.0[0.7] APR 0.7>1.0[0.7] MAY 0.7>1.0[0.7] JUN 0.7>1.0[0.7]
**AS MSP-SAN JAN 0.9>0.2[1.0] FEB 0.9>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
**AS OMA-SAN NOV 1.0>0.1[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
AS ORD-SFO MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.2>2[1.0]
AS PDX-SJC NOV 6>7[5] DEC 6>7[5]
AS PDX-TUS NOV 0.7>1.5[0.7] DEC 0.8>1.8[0.9]
*AS PHL-SFO NOV 1.0>0.1[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0.3[1.0]
**AS RDM-SAN JAN 0>0.8[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
**AS RDM-SFO MAR 0>0.4[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
*AS RDU-SFO NOV 1.0>0.1[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 1.0>0[1.0] FEB 1.0>0[1.0] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0.3[1.0]
AS SAN-SJC MAR 4>5[4] APR 4>6[4] MAY 4>6[4] JUN 4>6[4]
**AS SAN-STL NOV 1.0>0.1[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[1.0] JAN 0.9>0[0.9] FEB 1.0>0[0.9] MAR 1.0>0[1.0] APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
AS SAN-STS MAR 1.0>1.4[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0]
AS SFO-SNA JAN 7>8[6] FEB 6>7[6] MAR 6>7[6] APR 6>7[6] MAY 6>7[6] JUN 6>7[6]

B6 FLL-PUJ NOV 1.0>0.4[1.0]
B6 JFK-PUJ NOV 2>1.2[2]
B6 JFK-STI NOV 4>5[4]

DL ATL-DEN APR 8>9[8] JUN 8>9[8]
DL BDL-DTW APR 4>5[4] MAY 4>5[4]
DL BIL-SLC MAY 3>4[3]
DL BOS-DUB MAR 0>0.5[0.1]
DL EWR-SLC DEC 1.0>1.3[1.0] JAN 0.9>1.9[0.9] FEB 0.9>1.9[0.9] MAR 1.0>2[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[0.9]
DL FLL-NAS DEC 0>0.3[0]
DL JNU-SEA MAY 0.3>0[0.2] JUN 1.0>0.8[1.0]
DL MSP-SBN JUN 1.9>3[3]
DL OKC-SLC JUN 1.9>3[2]
DL SEA-SIT MAY 0.3>0[0.2] JUN 1.0>0.8[1.0]

*F9 ATL-EWR DEC 0>0.7[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>0.4[0]
*F9 ATL-TPA OCT 0>0.4[0] NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.4[0]
F9 BNA-MCO OCT 0.8>0.5[0.9]
*F9 BOS-RDU NOV 0.3>0.5[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.4[0]
*F9 EWR-LAS NOV 0>0.6[0] DEC 0>1.0[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>0.4[0]
*F9 EWR-MCO NOV 0>1.1[0] DEC 0>2[0] JAN 0>2[0] FEB 0>2[0] MAR 0>0.7[0]
*F9 EWR-MIA NOV 0>0.6[0] DEC 0>1.7[0] JAN 0>2[0] FEB 0>2[0] MAR 0>0.7[0]
*F9 EWR-PBI DEC 0>0.7[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>0.4[0]
*F9 EWR-PHX DEC 0>0.7[0] JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>0.4[0]
*F9 EWR-SJU NOV 0>0.3[0] DEC 0>0.5[0] JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.5[0]
F9 ISP-MCO OCT 1.2>0.8[0.9]
F9 MCO-ORF OCT 0.5>0.3[0.3]
F9 MCO-STL OCT 1.5>1.0[1.0] NOV 1.3>1.0[1.0]
F9 MIA-RDU OCT 0>0.4[0]
*F9 SJU-TPA DEC 0>0.3[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0]

G4 IND-SRQ NOV 0.3>0.5[0.3] DEC 0.5>0.7[0.4] JAN 0.3>0.6[0.4] FEB 0.5>0.8[0.3] MAR 0.6>0.9[0.3] APR 0.3>0.6[0.3]

KQ JFK-NBO APR 1.0>0.7[0.7] MAY 1.0>0.7[0.7]

KX GCM-MIA OCT 1.8>1.5[1.7]

LV EWR-ORY APR 0.6>0.9[0.6] MAY 0.6>0.8[0.6] JUN 0.6>0.9[0.5]

SY MSP-SRQ JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]

TJ HPN-MVL DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.4[0] FEB 0>0.4[0] MAR 0>0.2[0]

UA ABE-ORD FEB 3>2[1.9]
UA ABQ-ORD FEB 1.6>1.0[1.5]
UA ARN-EWR MAY 0.8>0.4[1.0]
UA ASE-DEN JUN 8>7[7]
UA ATL-ORD MAR 7>8[7] APR 7>8[7] MAY 7>8[6] JUN 7>8[7]
UA AUS-SFO MAR 4>5[4] APR 4>5[5] MAY 4>5[5] JUN 4>5[5]
UA AVL-ORD FEB 3>2[2]
UA BOS-IAH FEB 4>3[3]
UA BOS-ORD FEB 7>6[6]
UA BOS-SFO FEB 6>5[5]
UA BTV-ORD FEB 3>2[3]
UA BUF-IAD FEB 3>2[3]
UA BWI-IAH OCT 3>2[1.9]
UA CHA-ORD OCT 3>2[3]
UA CID-DEN FEB 2>3[1.9] MAR 2>3[2] APR 2>3[2] MAY 2>3[2] JUN 2>3[3]
UA CLE-FLL FEB 0.7>1.0[1.0] MAR 0.8>1.0[1.1]
UA CLE-IAH MAR 5>4[5] APR 5>4[5] MAY 5>4[5] JUN 5>4[5]
UA COS-DEN MAR 10>9[9] APR 10>9[9] MAY 10>9[9] JUN 10>9[10]
UA COS-LAX FEB 3>2[1.9] MAR 3>2[1.9] APR 3>2[1.6] MAY 3>2[2] JUN 3>2[2]
UA COU-ORD OCT 3>2[2] FEB 3>2[1.9]
UA CRW-ORD FEB 3>1.8[0.9] MAR 4>3[1.7] APR 4>3[3] MAY 4>3[3] JUN 4>3[3]
UA DEN-FAT MAR 3>4[3] APR 3>4[3] MAY 3>4[3] JUN 3>4[3]
UA DEN-FSD MAR 4>5[4] APR 4>5[4] MAY 4>5[4] JUN 4>5[5]
UA DEN-GJT MAR 5>6[5] APR 5>6[5] MAY 5>6[5] JUN 5>6[5]
UA DEN-HDN APR 2>3[1.7] MAY 2>3[1.7] JUN 2>3[3]
UA DEN-IDA MAR 4>3[3] APR 4>3[3] MAY 4>3[3] JUN 4>3[4]
**UA DEN-ISN OCT 4>1.1[3] NOV 3>0[3] DEC 3>0[3] JAN 3>0[4] FEB 3>0[4] MAR 4>0[4] APR 4>0[4] MAY 4>0[4] JUN 4>0[4]
UA DEN-LAX MAR 8>7[6] APR 8>7[7] MAY 8>7[7] JUN 8>7[8]
UA DEN-MCI MAR 6>5[5] APR 6>5[5] MAY 6>5[5] JUN 6>5[5]
UA DEN-MEM MAR 3>2[3] APR 3>2[3] MAY 3>2[3] JUN 3>2[3]
UA DEN-MFR FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[2] APR 3>2[3] MAY 3>2[3] JUN 3>2[3]
UA DEN-MRY FEB 1.6>1.0[2]
**UA DEN-RIW JAN 0>1.0[0] FEB 0>1.6[0] MAR 0>1.8[0] APR 0>1.9[0] MAY 0>1.8[0] JUN 0>1.9[0]
UA DEN-SFO FEB 9>8[8] MAR 11>9[9] APR 11>9[9] MAY 11>9[10] JUN 11>9[10]
**UA DEN-SHR JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.8[0] MAR 0>0.9[0] APR 0>0.9[0] MAY 0>0.8[0] JUN 0>0.9[0]
UA DEN-STL MAR 6>5[5] APR 6>5[5] MAY 6>5[5] JUN 6>5[5]
UA DEN-TUL MAR 5>4[4] APR 5>4[5] MAY 5>4[5] JUN 5>4[4]
**UA DEN-XWA OCT 0>3[0] NOV 0>3[0] DEC 0>3[0] JAN 0>3[0] FEB 0>3[0] MAR 0>3[0] APR 0>3[0] MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>3[0]
UA DEN-YVR FEB 3>2[2] MAR 3>2[2] APR 3>2[2] MAY 3>2[2] JUN 3>2[3]
UA DEN-YWG FEB 1.6>1.0[1.0] MAR 2>1.0[1.0] APR 2>1.0[1.1] MAY 2>1.0[1.9] JUN 2>1.0[2.0]
UA DLH-ORD FEB 3>1.9[2]
UA DTW-EWR FEB 6>5[5]
UA EWR-GRR FEB 3>2[1.9]
UA EWR-LAX FEB 10>9[9]
UA EWR-MCO FEB 10>11[9]
UA EWR-ORF MAR 6>5[4]
UA EWR-PUJ MAY 2>1.2[2] JUN 4>3[4]
UA EWR-SAN FEB 3>4[3]
UA EWR-SEA FEB 2>1.8[1.8]
UA EWR-SFO FEB 13>12[10]
UA EWR-SLC FEB 1.4>2[1.5]
UA EWR-SYR FEB 5>4[4]
UA GPT-IAH MAR 3>4[3]
UA GRK-IAH OCT 3>1.9[3]
UA GRR-ORD MAR 8>7[7] APR 8>7[7] MAY 8>7[6] JUN 8>7[7]
UA HSV-IAH OCT 4>3[3]
UA IAD-ITH FEB 2>1.8[1.9] MAR 3>1.9[2.0] APR 3>1.9[2] MAY 3>1.8[3] JUN 3>1.9[3]
UA IAD-LAX FEB 7>5[5]
UA IAD-LEX FEB 2>1.4[1.1]
UA IAD-MIA FEB 1.4>2[1.0]
UA IAD-MSP FEB 1.6>1.0[1.0]
UA IAD-PDX FEB 0.6>0[0]
UA IAD-PWM FEB 3>2[2]
UA IAD-SEA FEB 3>2[1.7]
UA IAD-YUL FEB 3>2[2]
UA IAH-JAN OCT 6>5[5]
UA IAH-LCH OCT 4>3[3]
UA IAH-LIT OCT 6>5[5]
UA IAH-MKE FEB 2>1.8[1.9]
UA IAH-PNS OCT 6>5[5]
UA IAH-PSP FEB 2>3[3]
UA IAH-RIC FEB 3>2[1.0]
UA IAH-SEA FEB 4>3[4]
UA IAH-SHV OCT 5>4[4]
UA IAH-SJC FEB 1.6>1.0[1.0]
UA IAH-SLC OCT 5>4[4]
UA IAH-TUS FEB 3>4[4]
UA ILM-ORD OCT 1.7>1.0[1.9] FEB 1.0>0.4[1.0]
UA LAX-MFR FEB 3>2[1.9]
UA LAX-ORD FEB 8>7[9]
UA MCO-SFO FEB 2>3[2]
UA MIA-ORD MAR 3>4[3]
UA ORD-PVD FEB 2>1.6[1.5]
UA ORD-PWM FEB 2>1.9[2]
UA ORD-RAP OCT 1.7>1.2[1.7] FEB 0.6>0[0]
UA ORD-RSW MAR 4>5[4]
UA ORD-SAT MAR 4>3[4]
UA ORD-SCE MAR 4>3[3] APR 4>3[3] MAY 4>3[3] JUN 4>3[3]
UA ORD-SFO FEB 10>8[8]
UA ORD-SJC FEB 1.5>1.0[1.0]
UA ORD-SLC MAR 3>4[3]
UA ORD-SMF FEB 2>1.8[1.9]
UA ORD-SPI FEB 2>1.9[2]
UA ORD-SXM JAN 0.1>0.4[0.1] FEB 0.2>0.4[0.1]
UA ORD-SYR MAR 5>4[3]
UA ORD-TUS NOV 1.8>1.1[1.0]
UA ORD-TYS MAR 5>4[5]
UA ORD-YUL MAR 3>2[3]
UA ORD-YVR FEB 1.6>1.0[1.0]
UA ORD-YWG OCT 3>2[3]
UA ORD-YYC FEB 2>1.8[2]
UA PDX-SFO FEB 8>7[7]
*UA RIW-SHR JAN 0>0.6[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
UA SEA-SFO FEB 8>7[7]
UA SFO-TPA FEB 1.0>1.6[1.0]

VB BJX-ORD DEC 0>0.2[0]
VB GDL-IAH DEC 0>0.5[0.3]
VB GDL-LAX OCT 1.0>1.5[1.0] DEC 1.0>1.2[1.1] JUN 0>1.0[1.1]
VB GDL-ORD DEC 0>0.8[0] JAN 0>0.4[0]
VB IAH-MTY DEC 0.9>1.1[0.7] MAY 0>0.8[1.0] JUN 0>0.9[1.0]
VB MLM-ORD DEC 0>0.3[0] JAN 0>0.2[0]
VB ORD-ZCL DEC 0>0.2[0]

VS BOS-MAN JUN 0.4>0[0.4]

Looks like December MAX cuts rolled even earlier.
WN ALB-DEN NOV 0.2>0[0.8]
WN ATL-BOS NOV 0.4>0.2[2]
WN AUS-EWR NOV 0.8>0.1[1.9]
WN AUS-RDU NOV 0.3>0.1[0]
WN AUS-SFO NOV 0.3>0.1[1.0]
WN BHM-LAS NOV 0.3>0.0[1.0]
WN BNA-BUR NOV 0.3>0.1[0]
WN BNA-EWR NOV 1.1>0.2[0]
WN BOS-MCI NOV 0.3>0.1[1.3]
WN BUF-DEN NOV 0.8>0.5[0]
WN BUR-MDW NOV 1.0>0.7[0.9]
WN BUR-SLC NOV 0.5>0.3[1.0]
WN BWI-EWR NOV 0.8>0.1[0]
WN CLE-PHX NOV 0.6>0.4[1.0]
WN DEN-EWR NOV 0.7>0.1[1.9]
WN DTW-PHX NOV 0.4>0.1[1.0]
WN EWR-MDW NOV 1.9>0.3[6]
WN EWR-OAK NOV 0.3>0[0.6]
WN EWR-PHX NOV 0.4>0.1[1.0]
WN EWR-SAN NOV 0.3>0[0.7]
WN EWR-STL NOV 0.7>0.1[1.9]
WN HOU-PHL NOV 0.3>0.1[0.1]
WN HOU-SLC NOV 0.3>0.1[0.9]
WN HOU-SMF NOV 0.3>0.1[0.1]
WN LAX-OMA NOV 0.3>0.1[1.0]
WN LAX-PIT NOV 0.3>0.1[0.9]
WN LAX-TPA NOV 0.3>0.1[1.0]
WN OAK-SAT NOV 0.8>0.5[1.0]
 
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Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:36 pm

XWA?

Typo? XNA maybe?

UA DEN-XWA OCT 0>3[0] NOV 0>3[0] DEC 0>3[0] JAN 0>3[0] FEB 0>3[0] MAR 0>3[0] APR 0>3[0] MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>3[0]
 
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Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:39 pm

Wow, AS really is cutting SAN. A lot of those, and other cuts, are E75 routes. Something going on there?
 
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Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:40 pm

How can AS ever grow beyond being a regional west coast airline? With the exception of SEA, their attempts to grow SAN, SFO and PDX into the east and midwest have mostly failed.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:41 pm

I wonder if all the AS cuts are due to the MAX issue. Their SAN numbers always seemed pretty high.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:43 pm

dangrad wrote:
XWA?

Typo? XNA maybe?

UA DEN-XWA OCT 0>3[0] NOV 0>3[0] DEC 0>3[0] JAN 0>3[0] FEB 0>3[0] MAR 0>3[0] APR 0>3[0] MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>3[0]


ISN is closing and flights moving to the airport under construction XWA
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Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:44 pm

dangrad wrote:
XWA?

Typo? XNA maybe?

UA DEN-XWA OCT 0>3[0] NOV 0>3[0] DEC 0>3[0] JAN 0>3[0] FEB 0>3[0] MAR 0>3[0] APR 0>3[0] MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>3[0]

Apparently ILN service moved to XWA, so no, not a typo.
 
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Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:44 pm

Shuttle markets get smaller and smaller. NOV now seeing big cuts.
*AA BOS-DCA NOV 13>10[13] DEC 14>10[10] JAN 14>13[12]
AA BOS-DFW DEC 8>6[6]
*AA BOS-JFK NOV 3>1.7[3] DEC 6>2[3]
*AA BOS-LGA NOV 10>8[10] DEC 12>8[8] JAN 12>11[10]
AA BOS-MIA NOV 6>5[6]
AA BOS-ORD NOV 8>7[8] DEC 9>6[7]

AA continues to pull back in Boston. I am most surprised that they’ll be down to 6 frequencies per day on BOS-ORD. While their plane gauge is certainly (much) larger, that is only 1 or 2 more frequencies per day than DL’s service, launching at the end of September.

The reductions to DCA are also notable in light of DL launching that service as well.
BOS-LGA-JFK | A:319/20/21, 332/3, 346 || B:717, 735, 737, 738, 739, 752, 753, 762, 763, 764, 787, 772, 744 || MD80, MD90
 
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Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:45 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
I wonder if all the AS cuts are due to the MAX issue. Their SAN numbers always seemed pretty high.

It's massively beyond that. Nice excuse for them though.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:45 pm

UA RIW-SHR?

Also a lot more capacity on the EWR- SLC route from DL and UA. Anything to do with the new terminal?
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:46 pm

Looks like AA has pushed the return of the MAX back to DEC 4 2019 with this weekends update.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:50 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
UA RIW-SHR?

Also a lot more capacity on the EWR- SLC route from DL and UA. Anything to do with the new terminal?


DEN-RIW-SHR. It’s a SkyWest milk run like DEN-PUB-LBL, DEN-HYS-SLN.
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Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:14 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Also a lot more capacity on the EWR- SLC route from DL and UA. Anything to do with the new terminal?

First phase of the new terminal is still a year away, so that's not likely.
I am curious to see how DL's SLC operation will change with the new facility, but doubt it will be too drastic in the near term.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:20 pm

AS is promising announcements are forthcoming on new mainline flying to replace that has been dropped.

DL it seems is finally giving up on SE Alaska. Didn’t they even drop to RJ’s last summer?
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:24 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
DL it seems is finally giving up on SE Alaska. Didn’t they even drop to RJ’s last summer?


I'm not sure why it took this long but speaking for people in JNU, it's about time.
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:26 pm

      Between the couple of AA additions at JFK, but mainly AA subtractions, it looks like Dec/Jan will show approximately 12 fewer JFK flights.
      Max related?

      Thanks again Enilria!
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:31 pm

      IPFreely wrote:
      hiflyeras wrote:
      DL it seems is finally giving up on SE Alaska. Didn’t they even drop to RJ’s last summer?


      I'm not sure why it took this long but speaking for people in JNU, it's about time.

      Not giving up, just pushed the start date to deep Summer.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:38 pm

      pmanni1 wrote:
      How can AS ever grow beyond being a regional west coast airline? With the exception of SEA, their attempts to grow SAN, SFO and PDX into the east and midwest have mostly failed.


      Outside of DEN, I don’t think there have been any destinations permanently cut at PDX. There have been seasonal tweaks, but PDX has seen slow and steady growth. Perhaps the much faster growth in SEA rubs PDX fans wrong...
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:14 pm

      Any updates on AA 737MAX returns to service?
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:15 pm

      miaami wrote:
      Looks like AA has pushed the return of the MAX back to DEC 4 2019 with this weekends update.


      I've noticed a lot of aircraft swaps later in the month on bookings, gotta love schedule change sundAAy!
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:29 pm

      windian425 wrote:
      Any updates on AA 737MAX returns to service?


      Now Supposedly scheduled for Dec, but who really knows when the grounding will be lifted.


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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:31 pm

      sxf24 wrote:
      pmanni1 wrote:
      How can AS ever grow beyond being a regional west coast airline? With the exception of SEA, their attempts to grow SAN, SFO and PDX into the east and midwest have mostly failed.


      Outside of DEN, I don’t think there have been any destinations permanently cut at PDX. There have been seasonal tweaks, but PDX has seen slow and steady growth. Perhaps the much faster growth in SEA rubs PDX fans wrong...


      They've dropped PDX - ATL,DTW,STL,MKE within the past year or two.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:35 pm

      [twoid][/twoid]
      jetmatt777 wrote:
      Nicknuzzii wrote:
      UA RIW-SHR?

      Also a lot more capacity on the EWR- SLC route from DL and UA. Anything to do with the new terminal?


      DEN-RIW-SHR. It’s a SkyWest milk run like DEN-PUB-LBL, DEN-HYS-SLN.


      I believe it’s actually Denver Air Connection on the Dornier 328 jets.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:43 pm

      jbmitt wrote:
      [twoid][/twoid]
      jetmatt777 wrote:
      Nicknuzzii wrote:
      UA RIW-SHR?

      Also a lot more capacity on the EWR- SLC route from DL and UA. Anything to do with the new terminal?


      DEN-RIW-SHR. It’s a SkyWest milk run like DEN-PUB-LBL, DEN-HYS-SLN.


      I believe it’s actually Denver Air Connection on the Dornier 328 jets.


      They aren’t a UA carrier. It’s for sale as UA operated by OO.
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:45 pm

      The state of Wyoming is paying SkyWest to serve RIW and SHR ,among others, and Key Lime (dba Denver Air Connection) contract for this service (although paid from SHR and RIW themseves) expires in January. Better for those two places, I suppose.
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:50 pm

      enilria wrote:
      Shuttle markets get smaller and smaller. NOV now seeing big cuts.
      *AA BOS-DCA NOV 13>10[13] DEC 14>10[10] JAN 14>13[12]
      *AA BOS-LGA NOV 10>8[10] DEC 12>8[8] JAN 12>11[10]

      I wonder if these have to do with E190 retirements? A few E190s are planned to be phased out by the end of 2019.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:51 pm

      Every week it seems that they're cutting JFK flights. I bet that hub is first to go in the next recession.
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:53 pm

      enilria wrote:
      lavalampluva wrote:
      I wonder if all the AS cuts are due to the MAX issue. Their SAN numbers always seemed pretty high.

      It's massively beyond that. Nice excuse for them though.

      If you look at the cuts, it looks like they are mostly avoiding WN.
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 2:54 pm

      Gulfstream500 wrote:
      Every week it seems that they're cutting JFK flights. I bet that hub is first to go in the next recession.

      But, but...it’s the runway :duck:
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:01 pm

      Runway28L wrote:
      enilria wrote:
      Shuttle markets get smaller and smaller. NOV now seeing big cuts.
      *AA BOS-DCA NOV 13>10[13] DEC 14>10[10] JAN 14>13[12]
      *AA BOS-LGA NOV 10>8[10] DEC 12>8[8] JAN 12>11[10]

      I wonder if these have to do with E190 retirements? A few E190s are planned to be phased out by the end of 2019.

      I suspect they are now doing what they have done with Christmas and cutting an entire week to minimal frequency.
      Gulfstream500 wrote:
      Every week it seems that they're cutting JFK flights. I bet that hub is first to go in the next recession.
      cledaybuck wrote:
      Gulfstream500 wrote:
      Every week it seems that they're cutting JFK flights. I bet that hub is first to go in the next recession.

      But, but...it’s the runway :duck:

      It's the runway only in that they haven't lost the slots yet because they have that excuse. I can't believe they are really going to just add all this stuff back. Why haven't they sold the slots to somebody?
      cledaybuck wrote:
      enilria wrote:
      lavalampluva wrote:
      I wonder if all the AS cuts are due to the MAX issue. Their SAN numbers always seemed pretty high.

      It's massively beyond that. Nice excuse for them though.

      If you look at the cuts, it looks like they are mostly avoiding WN.

      Hard to be "California's airline" if you are running from WN. I expect they will now retreat to SEA in terms of the new stuff that will replace this. I could be wrong, but is there really any better stuff to add from SAN/LAX/SFO? I think SAN's problem is just geography. It's hard to connect to anything there and a "hub" with no connections is very vulnerable to attack. AKA SEA, BOS.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:04 pm

      cledaybuck wrote:
      Gulfstream500 wrote:
      Every week it seems that they're cutting JFK flights. I bet that hub is first to go in the next recession.

      But, but...it’s the runway :duck:


      All while B6 and DL are both adding flights...

      It's almost like that runway under construction is specifically assigned to AA, and B6 and DL both get to continue expanding!
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:05 pm

      DL FLL-NAS DEC 0>0.3[0]

      This is an interesting and seemingly random add.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:07 pm

      lavalampluva wrote:
      I wonder if all the AS cuts are due to the MAX issue. Their SAN numbers always seemed pretty high.


      Many of those are directly competing with WN. Not saying that SAN was a failure for them, but they are not going to beat WN head to head. BUR-SJC, SAN-ELP, are two glaring examples.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:17 pm

      Thank you for this report. A lot of interesting information to digest here this week! A few thoughts on this week’s changes:

      1. That DL FLL-NAS flight seems pretty random. Anyone know the reasoning for it and what equipment?

      2. Incredibly disappointing to see AS drop LAX/SFO from PHL. I’d be interested to see the load factors on these flights. They were a comparable alternative to AA, and both markets seemed large enough to support three carriers.

      3. Equally disappointing-albeit not surprising- is AA’s JFK cuts, keeping in line with this trend over the last few years. This week however it seems like they cut an exceptional amount of frequencies from their hub, and it’ll be interesting to see what, if any, replaces them.
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:53 pm

      WN732 wrote:
      lavalampluva wrote:
      I wonder if all the AS cuts are due to the MAX issue. Their SAN numbers always seemed pretty high.


      Many of those are directly competing with WN. Not saying that SAN was a failure for them, but they are not going to beat WN head to head. BUR-SJC, SAN-ELP, are two glaring examples.

      And now they’re retreating to SEA where they are going head to head with DL. Imo there’s going to be a bloodbath, especially if they start trimming PDX like they are SAN.
      Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 3:56 pm

      jeffh747 wrote:
      1. That DL FLL-NAS flight seems pretty random. Anyone know the reasoning for it and what equipment?

      Found this routing on 12/28:

      DL631 717-200 FLL 1010 NAS 1110
      DL632 717-200 NAS 1200 FLL 1300
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:06 pm

      I thought people were telling me AA is going to have 111 departures from JFK this November. I guess that didn't happen.

      I doubt AS will cut from PDX. They do far better at PDX than SAN.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:10 pm

      jeffh747 wrote:
      Thank you for this report. A lot of interesting information to digest here this week! A few thoughts on this week’s changes:

      3. Equally disappointing-albeit not surprising- is AA’s JFK cuts, keeping in line with this trend over the last few years. This week however it seems like they cut an exceptional amount of frequencies from their hub, and it’ll be interesting to see what, if any, replaces them.


      Vasu Rajo - VP of network planning keeps telling employees that JFK is now profitable, yet the cuts keep coming. It's getting harder and harder to believe anything "leadership" at AAL is saying.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:14 pm

      Regarding the AS cuts and their other many changes on this week's report, there are no fewer than 3 threads since Tuesday and Wednesday that have been actively discussing the AS changes and that I have posted on. I for one do not plan on rehashing all of that again here. I consider this topic to be "old news" and already thoroughly discussed elsewhere..

      And I emphasize a comment already posted up-thread by Hiflyer' that we should quite soon be seeing AS announcing additional NEW routes using even more of these freed-up a/c!

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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:19 pm

      Alaska ending MCI-SFO/SAN explains why they just moved from Terminal B to Terminal C. The announcement said they were “right-sizing” space available. So by cutting 50% of their destinations out of KC, this makes sense.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:21 pm

      shadez wrote:
      DL FLL-NAS DEC 0>0.3[0]

      This is an interesting and seemingly random add.


      Agreed, seems like a Christmas add. As it stands only full Y and J are being sold on the flights so not sure who they plan to market this too.
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:28 pm

      enilria wrote:
      *AS BWI-SAN NOV 0.9>0[0.9] DEC 1.0>0[0.8] JAN 1.0>0[0.8] FEB 0.8>0[0.7] MAR 0.8>0[0.8] APR 0.9>0[0.9] MAY 0.9>0.3[0.9]
      *AS BWI-SFO NOV 1.0>0.1[1.0] DEC 1.0>0[0.9] JAN 1.0>0[0.9] FEB 0.9>0[0.9] MAR 0.9>0.4[0.8]

      So are they cutting these routes or moving them to seasonal? The slight uptick in March would indicate the latter, no?
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:35 pm

      miaami wrote:
      jeffh747 wrote:
      Thank you for this report. A lot of interesting information to digest here this week! A few thoughts on this week’s changes:

      3. Equally disappointing-albeit not surprising- is AA’s JFK cuts, keeping in line with this trend over the last few years. This week however it seems like they cut an exceptional amount of frequencies from their hub, and it’ll be interesting to see what, if any, replaces them.


      Vasu Rajo - VP of network planning keeps telling employees that JFK is now profitable, yet the cuts keep coming. It's getting harder and harder to believe anything "leadership" at AAL is saying.


      And he also said that A321XLR will be flying out of JFK, which is just hilarious since Vasu and the rest of that management team won't be around in 4 years.

      Of course, if you cut all the unprofitable international stuff and the transcon stuff that are getting crushed, the remaining stuff is going to be dominated by LHR/LAX and hub flying, which are obviously profitable.

      But their performance has declined steadily to places like AUS, SFO, SAN, SEA, LAS, PHX. And LGA is getting more and more unprofitable. They keep saying JFK is now profitable without talking about how that already has and will destroy LGA performance. And it gets repeated on this board.

      Here is what I'm sure everyone at AA management knows, but won't tell their NYC crew. All those high value customers have moved to DL. They aren't coming back unless DL starts cutting routes or product. And that clearly isn't happening. Without those ff, DL will continue to eat their lunch in NYC.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:35 pm

      Gulfstream500 wrote:
      Every week it seems that they're cutting JFK flights. I bet that hub is first to go in the next recession.


      It’s really not a connection hub and hasn’t been for a long time it’s a large OD /international gateway hub. The international part is shifting more towards PHL not much to go. If The OD part isn’t working then they cut it and move to something else that’s working. Losing or killing JFK in a recession would be has bad has the DL retraction at LAX years ago.

      The role of JFK is not what I want or would do. It’s place at AA for now is different. The New York market is way to important for AA to abandon.
      Until we get a different vision at AA this has been the course for a long while now.

      JFK LGA / BA Is still a sizable OPERATION.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:44 pm

      tphuang wrote:
      miaami wrote:
      jeffh747 wrote:
      Thank you for this report. A lot of interesting information to digest here this week! A few thoughts on this week’s changes:

      3. Equally disappointing-albeit not surprising- is AA’s JFK cuts, keeping in line with this trend over the last few years. This week however it seems like they cut an exceptional amount of frequencies from their hub, and it’ll be interesting to see what, if any, replaces them.


      Vasu Rajo - VP of network planning keeps telling employees that JFK is now profitable, yet the cuts keep coming. It's getting harder and harder to believe anything "leadership" at AAL is saying.


      And he also said that A321XLR will be flying out of JFK, which is just hilarious since Vasu and the rest of that management team won't be around in 4 years.

      Of course, if you cut all the unprofitable international stuff and the transcon stuff that are getting crushed, the remaining stuff is going to be dominated by LHR/LAX and hub flying, which are obviously profitable.

      But their performance has declined steadily to places like AUS, SFO, SAN, SEA, LAS, PHX. And LGA is getting more and more unprofitable. They keep saying JFK is now profitable without talking about how that already has and will destroy LGA performance. And it gets repeated on this board.

      Here is what I'm sure everyone at AA management knows, but won't tell their NYC crew. All those high value customers have moved to DL. They aren't coming back unless DL starts cutting routes or product. And that clearly isn't happening. Without those ff, DL will continue to eat their lunch in NYC.


      I agree 100% with you. AA plan is short sighted.
       
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      Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:48 pm

      How did an Alaska schedule adjustment that doesn’t involve Portland once again indicate Alaska is cutting Portland? Absolutely bonkers.
       
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      Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

      Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:14 pm

      grbauc wrote:

      I agree 100% with you. AA plan is short sighted.


      So many people complaining about JFK cuts and no one addressing the fact that they are in a permanent and unaddressable #3 spot due to slots and airspace. How do you propose they get to profitability? It seems you all want a return to status quo where AA lost money just because "the market is important" with no vision of how that pays off anytime in the future.

      Anyone care to address this hole in the AA NYC fantasy?
       
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      Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

      Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:16 pm

      tphuang wrote:
      Here is what I'm sure everyone at AA management knows, but won't tell their NYC crew. All those high value customers have moved to DL. They aren't coming back unless DL starts cutting routes or product. And that clearly isn't happening. Without those ff, DL will continue to eat their lunch in NYC.

      100% agree!
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      Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

      Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:29 pm

      LAXBUR wrote:
      How did an Alaska schedule adjustment that doesn’t involve Portland once again indicate Alaska is cutting Portland? Absolutely bonkers.



      There is no indication that AS will cut PDX. If anything, it's the exact opposite.
       
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      Re: OAG Changes 9/1/2019:AS Massive Changes, Drops SAN-ABQ/ELP/MCI/MSP/OMA/STL,SFO-ABQ/MCI,LAXPHL,BURSJC;AA Adds FAI-DFW

      Sun Sep 01, 2019 6:34 pm

      Rdh3e wrote:
      So many people complaining about JFK cuts and no one addressing the fact that they are in a permanent and unaddressable #3 spot due to slots and airspace. How do you propose they get to profitability? It seems you all want a return to status quo where AA lost money just because "the market is important" with no vision of how that pays off anytime in the future.

      Anyone care to address this hole in the AA NYC fantasy?

      What you are saying is 100% true on slot controlled airports. However this goes both ways. Yes, Delta and Jetblue have the advantage at JFK. On the flip side, AA/BA have a huge advantage over DL/VS at Heathrow.

      Again it works both ways.
      Signed up for Delta and Eastern Frequent Flyer Programs August 30, 1981.

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