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Mesa signs MOU for up to 100 Mitsubishi SpaceJet's

Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:40 pm

During the ongoing Regional Airline Association convention today Mitsubishi and Mesa Airlines signed MOU for up to 100 M100 starting delivery in 2024.

Could this eventually be for United who just opened scope talks with its pilots??

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Thu Sep 05, 2019 9:55 pm

Does ALPA have any intention of budging on scope?
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:02 pm

Congrats Mitsubishi.

For UA pilots, it seems they might be willing to make a deal in return for better long term mainline (esp widebody) fleet guarantees.
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:05 pm

Mitsubishi press release

Mitsubishi Aircraft Corporation Announces an MOU with Mesa Airlines for 100 SpaceJet M100 Aircraft
https://newsroom.aviator.aero/mitsubish ... -aircraft/

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Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:18 pm

One of the selling points for the M100 is that its even closer to mainline cabin experience with larger bins, higher standing room, and more floor space for flexible cabin and galley layouts than the E175-E2, hence the SpaceJet monkier.

Also the baseline M100 will fit within todays U.S scope handcuffs and can be configured in 3-class 76 seat layout and still fall under 86,000Lbs MTOW with a 1,500nm range -- something the E175-E2 cant.

If scope were to change a little, seating could go up to 88 and 1,900mn range potentially.

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Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:27 pm

It looks like a great aircraft. The mainline pilots have zero appetite for helping UA bring more regional jets into the Express operation.

The trade off for UA would have to be something very tasty for the pilots as was hinted at in the tagged article. Will UA tie parking regional jets in a ratio to mainline in the event of a downturn? Will there by a further tie-in with the number of wide bodies? Will UA have to give up on the CRJ 550?

Advantage pilots given the staffing shortage.
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:35 pm

Maybe it's just me but I don't see any value for this (if for UA) until the scope agreement has been put forward for rank-and-file vote and approved. It's way too early to contemplate replacing E75/CR9s.
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:45 pm

Just like SkyWest did way back when this was a "new" plane.
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 10:46 pm

Revelation wrote:
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1169721641028526080

MOU = 50 "firm" + 50 "options".


Sounds to be similar to the deal that Mitsubishi has with Trans States.
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MIflyer12 wrote:
Maybe it's just me but I don't see any value for this (if for UA) until the scope agreement has been put forward for rank-and-file vote and approved. It's way too early to contemplate replacing E75/CR9s.

Presumably that is part of the reason why it is a MOU rather than an order.
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:20 pm

janders wrote:
One of the selling points for the M100 is that its even closer to mainline cabin experience with larger bins, higher standing room, and more floor space for flexible cabin and galley layouts than the E175-E2, hence the SpaceJet monkier.

Also the baseline M100 will fit within todays U.S scope handcuffs and can be configured in 3-class 76 seat layout and still fall under 86,000Lbs MTOW with a 1,500nm range -- something the E175-E2 cant.

If scope were to change a little, seating could go up to 88 and 1,900mn range potentially.

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I would love to see this aircraft first hand. Pictures dont do it any justice to show it has more cabin room than an E175. It actually looks more narrow from my eye test.
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:20 pm

I am really happy about this and hope that Mitsubishi can deliver their promises and turn these mous into firm orders
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:24 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Maybe it's just me but I don't see any value for this (if for UA) until the scope agreement has been put forward for rank-and-file vote and approved. It's way too early to contemplate replacing E75/CR9s.

By the time these get delivered (starting in 2024) many of the CRJ9s will be approaching 20 years old and the E-jets 10-15+ years old. Operating a ton of multiple short hops throughout the day by carriers who cut costs as much as possible to make money has a tendency to wear these planes out quickly. Even if scope is not expanded Mesa and others do need to start thinking about current fleet replacements. The M100 is designed to meet current scope. If the M100 meets goals it will be a superior option then constantly purchasing new E175E1s.
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:28 pm

The 86,000lb design seems to have an audience.
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:43 pm

Well if it fits within the existing SCOPE clause... why not.
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Thu Sep 05, 2019 11:52 pm

If it has been fixed up to hit scope, I see it being a worthwhile replacement to the CRJ9's and E175's that Mesa currently operates.

If anyone at United thinks that pilots are going to wiggle on scope, that will never happen again
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:23 am

The M100 will be the re-constructed MRJ 70 version to fulfill the 39 t scope limit. The world will need a new jet, fulfilling the scope limits. At some day, all these old fuel consuming CRJ700 and E175 have to be replaced by a new jet.

I hope best for the spacejet. Mitsubishi has had already enough time and money wasted. And the world needs a second competitor next to Embraer/Boeing. With this order, when firmed, there is a good chance now, that the M100 will leave the orphan status and get a success (and this will be bad for the E175 E2, which will be dead as a Dodo).
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:30 am

This sounds interesting and could be a good move by Mesa. My question is how are they going to pay for them? The last quarterly call painted a bit of a shortfall in the income dept. I would bet that Mesa got a really good price on these as one of the first to order since 2016. Will be interesting as the Aircraft looks nice from a passenger point of view,
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:32 am

From what I have seen the relaunched M100 model is perfectly tailored to squeeze in under industry scope clauses something E2 cant.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:40 am

It is crazy that planes are built sub-optimal on the spec side (CASM etc) to meet the scope clauses etc. But the size of the US3 alone, both from an operator and manufacturer make it economically work.

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Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:42 am

Both AA and UA speaking with Mesa about M100s.

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Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:55 am

SocalApproach wrote:
janders wrote:
One of the selling points for the M100 is that its even closer to mainline cabin experience with larger bins, higher standing room, and more floor space for flexible cabin and galley layouts than the E175-E2, hence the SpaceJet monkier.

Also the baseline M100 will fit within todays U.S scope handcuffs and can be configured in 3-class 76 seat layout and still fall under 86,000Lbs MTOW with a 1,500nm range -- something the E175-E2 cant.

If scope were to change a little, seating could go up to 88 and 1,900mn range potentially.

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I would love to see this aircraft first hand. Pictures dont do it any justice to show it has more cabin room than an E175. It actually looks more narrow from my eye test.


According to their brochure, it is 1" wider at shoulder level and 1" taller compared to the E175E1. The key part in my opinion is the added overhead bin space and the fact you will be able to stand-up in the cargo bin. That should in theory allow for much quicker turn times (probably shave 5-10 minutes off each turn).
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:11 am

Revelation wrote:
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1169721641028526080

MOU = 50 "firm" + 50 "options".


A "firm" "MOU" is a bit of an oxymoron, isn't it?
 
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RickNRoll wrote:
Revelation wrote:
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1169721641028526080

MOU = 50 "firm" + 50 "options".


A "firm" "MOU" is a bit of an oxymoron, isn't it?


It is.

A well written MOU isn't worth the paper its printed on.

In my experience, MOUs are a way for a salesperson to demonstrate to his/her management that something has been accomplished. Those of us in the Legal/Contracts functions hate them - they take just as much work as a definitive agreement, but don't have any legal effect, and distract from getting a definitive agreement papered.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 1:53 am

Any news from Moses Lake lately? I haven't heard from this program in a while.
 
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PresRDC wrote:
RickNRoll wrote:
Revelation wrote:
https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1169721641028526080

MOU = 50 "firm" + 50 "options".


A "firm" "MOU" is a bit of an oxymoron, isn't it?


It is.

A well written MOU isn't worth the paper its printed on.

In my experience, MOUs are a way for a salesperson to demonstrate to his/her management that something has been accomplished. Those of us in the Legal/Contracts functions hate them - they take just as much work as a definitive agreement, but don't have any legal effect, and distract from getting a definitive agreement papered.

Ok, an MOU isn't binding. But it is better than no customer expressing interest.

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Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:21 am

Looks like an updated E190. Glad to see some positive news on the type. It seems like several of these smaller jet programs all launched around the same time and the only one we hear about is the A220.
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:39 am

The Regionals need a new 50 seat jet FAR MORE than a new 76 seat jet.

Almost 2,000 CRJ-200's, Do328's, CRJ-700's and E145/140/135's need to be replaced, yet manufacturers haven't spent a penny on it.
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:49 am

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One of the selling points for the M100 is that its even closer to mainline cabin experience with larger bins, higher standing room, and more floor space for flexible cabin and galley layouts than the E175-E2


Sorry for disappoint you ... not even close ...

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Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:48 am

What spell has Mitsubishi cast upon Mesa to get this? Mesa has a large fleet of 175s that is getting larger and the E2 would make more sense. I guess buying the supply chain for the CRJ paid off for Mitsuibishi!

Im not bashing the MoU, in fact I'd love to see more orders from underdog planes like the Space Jam, I mean Space Jet. Just legitimately wondering what Mitsubishi pulled off.
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TWA772LR wrote:
What spell has Mitsubishi cast upon Mesa to get this? Mesa has a large fleet of 175s that is getting larger and the E2 would make more sense. I guess buying the supply chain for the CRJ paid off for Mitsuibishi!

Im not bashing the MoU, in fact I'd love to see more orders from underdog planes like the Space Jam, I mean Space Jet. Just legitimately wondering what Mitsubishi pulled off.

As already here several time stated: As long there are the scope clauses in the US, the E175 E2 will never fly in the US. It is 4 or 5 tons to heavy/over the 39 t MTOW scope clause. As the regional jet market globally is to 2/3 the US market (and 1/3 the rest of the world) and the E175 E2 does not fulfill the scope clauses, it is a Dodo, it is dead.
 
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Congrats for Mistubishi on getting a potential sale and congrats to Mesa to getting a killer deal.
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:57 am

janders wrote:
Also the baseline M100 will fit within todays U.S scope handcuffs and can be configured in 3-class 76 seat layout and still fall under 86,000Lbs MTOW with a 1,500nm range -- something the E175-E2 cant.

If scope were to change a little, seating could go up to 88 and 1,900mn range potentially.


The fact that the M100 currently fits within the current scope and has room for growth if scope should be relaxed should be a very attractive attribute

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What spell has Mitsubishi cast upon Mesa to get this? Mesa has a large fleet of 175s that is getting larger and the E2 would make more sense. I guess buying the supply chain for the CRJ paid off for Mitsuibishi!


I am not exactly sure how much of the 60 planes Mesa owns. They are not due anymore E175s. UA is sending all their new E175s to their quasi subsidiary ExpressJet. Even though adding more E175s would have been easier for Mesa, I don't think Mesa would have been able to command the price from Embraer that Mitsuibishi is giving them.
 
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INFINITI329 wrote:
janders wrote:
Also the baseline M100 will fit within todays U.S scope handcuffs and can be configured in 3-class 76 seat layout and still fall under 86,000Lbs MTOW with a 1,500nm range -- something the E175-E2 cant.

If scope were to change a little, seating could go up to 88 and 1,900mn range potentially.


The fact that the M100 currently fits within the current scope and has room for growth if scope should be relaxed should be a very attractive attribute

TWA772LR wrote:
What spell has Mitsubishi cast upon Mesa to get this? Mesa has a large fleet of 175s that is getting larger and the E2 would make more sense. I guess buying the supply chain for the CRJ paid off for Mitsuibishi!


I am not exactly sure how much of the 60 planes Mesa owns. They are not due anymore E175s. UA is sending all their new E175s to their quasi subsidiary ExpressJet. Even though adding more E175s would have been easier for Mesa, I don't think Mesa would have been able to command the price from Embraer that Mitsuibishi is giving them.

Mesa doesn’t own any of their 175. United owns them all.
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:54 am

Saved by the Scope.. congratulations Mitsibishi HI employees!

The best moment for Embraer to announce a Scope Clause compliant E2 was before the summer.
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What spell has Mitsubishi cast upon Mesa to get this? Mesa has a large fleet of 175s that is getting larger and the E2 would make more sense. I guess buying the supply chain for the CRJ paid off for Mitsuibishi!

Im not bashing the MoU, in fact I'd love to see more orders from underdog planes like the Space Jam, I mean Space Jet. Just legitimately wondering what Mitsubishi pulled off.


Mesa’s fleet of 175s isn’t “getting larger.” Some of their 175s are coming off contract, which started September 1st. There’s been no renewal news, so if anything their fleet is going to get smaller.

I’d be shocked if these actually end up at YV.
 
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Ok, an MOU isn't binding. But it is better than no customer expressing interest.

Mitsubishi must demonstrate performance.

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When you factor in the level of effort that goes into drafting and negotiating an MOU, it is almost always a waste of effort.
 
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PresRDC wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Ok, an MOU isn't binding. But it is better than no customer expressing interest.

Mitsubishi must demonstrate performance.

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When you factor in the level of effort that goes into drafting and negotiating an MOU, it is almost always a waste of effort.


It may advance the analysis that is required for decision making but since the controlling element is UA scope, not Mesa's wish to purchase, again, I don't see the value. Is it a good sign? Maybe. Does it have more value than Mesa's CEO saying nice things about the aircraft on the record? I doubt it.
 
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I think it’s more likely to see these in AA colors than UA paint. Those -900s will be getting old and tired, maybe this is the motivation for AA to renew Mesa’s contract in 2021. This will eliminate the valet checked luggage standard on the -900 and make for a lovely regional jet in DFW, PHX, and potentially LAX for AA.
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MLIAA wrote:
I think it’s more likely to see these in AA colors than UA paint. Those -900s will be getting old and tired, maybe this is the motivation for AA to renew Mesa’s contract in 2021. This will eliminate the valet checked luggage standard on the -900 and make for a lovely regional jet in DFW, PHX, and potentially LAX for AA.


Agree, the CR9's that Mesa operates for AA, originally operated for HP and are VERY tired and very early builds with low windows and small bins.

Mesa operates 64 of these.

Mesa also owns the 20 CR7's it flies for United. Those could also be replaced with no change to scope.
 
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drdisque wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
I think it’s more likely to see these in AA colors than UA paint. Those -900s will be getting old and tired, maybe this is the motivation for AA to renew Mesa’s contract in 2021. This will eliminate the valet checked luggage standard on the -900 and make for a lovely regional jet in DFW, PHX, and potentially LAX for AA.


Agree, the CR9's that Mesa operates for AA, originally operated for HP and are VERY tired and very early builds with low windows and small bins.

Mesa operates 64 of these.

Mesa also owns the 20 CR7's it flies for United. Those could also be replaced with no change to scope.

That is incorrect re: United. These can not replace the CR7 and be allowed under scope. UA is maxed out on 76 seaters even if you reduce the number of 70 seaters. That’s why they are replacing CR7 with 175SC.
 
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Mesa doesn’t own any of their 175. United owns them all.


This was my first assumption, then I started looking at random regs and realized some are listed as United be the registered owner and others show Mesa as the registered owner, then got all confused. However, all have "Continental-style" regs that are all numerical registrations. Not sure why Mesa would be listed as the registered owner on some of the planes.
 
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Scarebus34 wrote:
drdisque wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
I think it’s more likely to see these in AA colors than UA paint. Those -900s will be getting old and tired, maybe this is the motivation for AA to renew Mesa’s contract in 2021. This will eliminate the valet checked luggage standard on the -900 and make for a lovely regional jet in DFW, PHX, and potentially LAX for AA.


Agree, the CR9's that Mesa operates for AA, originally operated for HP and are VERY tired and very early builds with low windows and small bins.

Mesa operates 64 of these.

Mesa also owns the 20 CR7's it flies for United. Those could also be replaced with no change to scope.

That is incorrect re: United. These can not replace the CR7 and be allowed under scope. UA is maxed out on 76 seaters even if you reduce the number of 70 seaters. That’s why they are replacing CR7 with 175SC.


And then moving the CR7's to CR550's. I'd expect the Mesa ones to follow suit if the experiment is successful.
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A premature congratulations to Mitsubishi...hope this deal goes through...


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DiamondFlyer wrote:
Scarebus34 wrote:
drdisque wrote:

Agree, the CR9's that Mesa operates for AA, originally operated for HP and are VERY tired and very early builds with low windows and small bins.

Mesa operates 64 of these.

Mesa also owns the 20 CR7's it flies for United. Those could also be replaced with no change to scope.

That is incorrect re: United. These can not replace the CR7 and be allowed under scope. UA is maxed out on 76 seaters even if you reduce the number of 70 seaters. That’s why they are replacing CR7 with 175SC.


And then moving the CR7's to CR550's. I'd expect the Mesa ones to follow suit if the experiment is successful.

Yes but moving a CR7 to CR5 doesn't allow United to add any more 76 seaters... it only opens up other 70 seaters.
 
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Re: Mesa signs MOU for up to 100 Mitsubishi SpaceJet's

Fri Sep 06, 2019 8:15 pm

EMBSPBR wrote:
janders wrote:
One of the selling points for the M100 is that its even closer to mainline cabin experience with larger bins, higher standing room, and more floor space for flexible cabin and galley layouts than the E175-E2


Sorry for disappoint you ... not even close ...

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I've seen images of the interior and its good
 
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Re: Mesa signs MOU for up to 100 Mitsubishi SpaceJet's

Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:55 am

alasizon wrote:
drdisque wrote:
MLIAA wrote:
I think it’s more likely to see these in AA colors than UA paint. Those -900s will be getting old and tired, maybe this is the motivation for AA to renew Mesa’s contract in 2021. This will eliminate the valet checked luggage standard on the -900 and make for a lovely regional jet in DFW, PHX, and potentially LAX for AA.


Agree, the CR9's that Mesa operates for AA, originally operated for HP and are VERY tired and very early builds with low windows and small bins.

Mesa operates 64 of these.

Mesa also owns the 20 CR7's it flies for United. Those could also be replaced with no change to scope.


Mesa is on the way out the door at AA. Their CPA fleet is shrinking, they are currently down to 62 frames and will lose another two later this year. Technically OO's order for the original MRJ is still on the books so I would imagine that they could convert it to M100s. OO vs YV, I know who I'd pick.

The M100 though I will agree is a great fit for DFW & PHX (gate space issues in PHX not withstanding).

zululima wrote:
I doubt he did. You didn't provide one single number, fact, or argument. You couldn't even be bothered to caption the random photo. So if the M100 is "not even close" to the E2, what are the real specifications then?

The E175E2 is narrower at shoulder level by an inch (assuming it keeps the same fuselage as the 190 & 195. It is also about an inch and a half shorter.


If YV is out the door at AA, any word on what may replace their flying out of PHX. Right now PHX is just OO CR7s and YV CR9s (with a random OO or YV CR2 for good measure).
 
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Re: Mesa signs MOU for up to 100 Mitsubishi SpaceJet's

Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:02 am

Vctony wrote:
alasizon wrote:
drdisque wrote:

Agree, the CR9's that Mesa operates for AA, originally operated for HP and are VERY tired and very early builds with low windows and small bins.

Mesa operates 64 of these.

Mesa also owns the 20 CR7's it flies for United. Those could also be replaced with no change to scope.


Mesa is on the way out the door at AA. Their CPA fleet is shrinking, they are currently down to 62 frames and will lose another two later this year. Technically OO's order for the original MRJ is still on the books so I would imagine that they could convert it to M100s. OO vs YV, I know who I'd pick.

The M100 though I will agree is a great fit for DFW & PHX (gate space issues in PHX not withstanding).


If YV is out the door at AA, any word on what may replace their flying out of PHX. Right now PHX is just OO CR7s and YV CR9s (with a random OO or YV CR2 for good measure).


My guess is more OO 700s being displaced from ORD or DFW (backfilled by MQ E75s and OH CR7s). At some point E75s will eventually make their way to PHX but gate space is an issue.
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