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B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:17 pm

A Boeing 747, registration 5N-DBK, operated by Max Air developed an engine technical fault in flight while coming in to land. The aircraft hit the ground and skidded across the runway. Apparently, according to the articles that are linked, there were no fire fighters at the airport, but thankfully there was no fire. All onboard survived.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... g-19826141
http://saharareporters.com/2019/09/07/p ... es-mid-air
https://punchng.com/550-pilgrims-escape ... a-airport/
(I'm not sure if this is really severe enough to be a "crash landing" but that's what the articles call it so...)
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:31 pm

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/228790

Not official at aviation-safety.net yet, but it appears as though all survived, and minor damage to the aircraft.

Would that all "incidents" involving aircraft turn out this way.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:35 pm

Saharareporters say that it is a 743 but it's a 744 (are there even any more 743s? I didn't think so). 5N-DBK is LN 1095, delivered to KE 26 November 1996, stored 7/2016, then delivered to Max Air 25 June 2017. PW 4056 engines.
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sat Sep 07, 2019 9:38 pm

AC77X wrote:
(I'm not sure if this is really severe enough to be a "crash landing"


That's really a subjective term as it is, with no technical or official definition, but IMO the few details we seem to have of what happened *may* rise to that level for me. Apparently the runway was damaged in addition to the airplane, so it seems like part of the plane was in contact with the ground that should not have been. Either some tires burst and the gear gouged the runway, or the gear collapsed, or whatever... we don't know, but it seems like it was a pretty violent landing.

A single engine failure should not cause a situation like this, so there is definitely a lot more to the story than what we know so far.
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:10 pm

How can a civil airliner, let alone a 744 with 600(!) people on board, be allowed to land at an airport with no fire brigade? Abuja is something like 60 nautical miles away from this airport. If it is a one engine out scenario -on a quad-, that should, of course, not be an issue. And was it scheduled to fly to Minna? Without a fire brigade? What does ICAO have to say about this?

Maybe what happened was that the guy in the engine nacelle didn't get out in time this time around? :duck:
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:17 pm

AC77X wrote:
All onboard survived.

The most important fact - thankgod! :smile:
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:08 am

this frame was recently in arizona (mid-late august 2019). i assumed it was a retirement flight, as it landed at MZJ... but then i noticed it flying back towards africa roughly one week later. looks like it’s been doing hajj flights recently.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:39 am

Yes, it seems to have ferried from Kano, Nigeria to Marana, and then ferried back to Kano after some maintenance. I heard it on ATC when they were flying over Cleveland. Wonder how they are going to fix it...especially at an airport that does not have a fire brigade.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:39 am

DocLightning wrote:
are there even any more 743s? I didn't think so


I think EP-MND is still flying for Mahan Air
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:53 am

rnav2dlrey wrote:
this frame was recently in arizona (mid-late august 2019). i assumed it was a retirement flight, as it landed at MZJ... but then i noticed it flying back towards africa roughly one week later. looks like it’s been doing hajj flights recently.

Probably some maintenance work.
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:21 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
And was it scheduled to fly to Minna? Without a fire brigade? What does ICAO have to say about this?


I wonder if it is an issue of the fire brigade didn't know that the flight was coming in. As I recall, there are provisions for when ARFF resources do and don't have to be available.
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:24 am

alasizon wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
And was it scheduled to fly to Minna? Without a fire brigade? What does ICAO have to say about this?


I wonder if it is an issue of the fire brigade didn't know that the flight was coming in. As I recall, there are provisions for when ARFF resources do and don't have to be available.

But, then, why not just divert to Abuja?
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:40 am

alasizon wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
And was it scheduled to fly to Minna? Without a fire brigade? What does ICAO have to say about this?


I wonder if it is an issue of the fire brigade didn't know that the flight was coming in. As I recall, there are provisions for when ARFF resources do and don't have to be available.

Its not that the fire brigade didn't know that the flight was coming in, its that there wasn't even a fire brigade at the airport to begin with.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:16 am

Apparently 5N-DBK is an ex-Korean Air a/c.
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:31 am

Gathered some information on the 747-4B5.
Ex-Korean Air HL7472
Configuration: 16C 516Y
Registration: 5N-DBK
Delivery date: 25 July 2016

There are some delivery photo on their official webpage, showing the Korean pilot flying the aircraft into Kano. You can see they keep some of the KE J recliner seat, the rest is all Y class.

B747-400 is certified to carry 660 passengers in single class. Therefore 550 is not a problem for the Queen.

660 high density seat map
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5 ... 17cc9b6932
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d ... 59a1a4646d

Max Air has another two B747-400.
> B747-4B5 5N-HMM
> B747-422 5N-ADM (they still keep the old UA cabin for this one)

Accoding to AIB Nigeria press release, 560 passengers and 19 crews were on board the flight. It was mentioned the aircraft screeped the runway and engine #1 "brushed" against the runway. Not sure what that means. https://twitter.com/aibnigeria/status/1 ... 16384?s=09

Now trending on avherald webpage too. http://avherald.com/h?article=4cc8752f

Source: https://m.planespotters.net/airline/Max-Air
https://www.maxair.com.ng/
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard crash lands in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:46 am

Max Air is apparently denying really any of this, according to this extremely poorly translated report that I'm not sure whether to give any credence to or not: https://dailypost.ng/2019/09/08/max-air ... ded-plane/

That said, it does quote the chairman of the company. It sounds like what he's saying is that bad weather and airport lighting caused a hard landing, but that the plane itself is undamaged and did not suffer any technical failure or a runway excursion.
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:48 am

They were flying 747-300 as late as 2015/2016. I believe they were the mainstay of the fleet.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:13 am

ERAU1 wrote:
They were flying 747-300 as late as 2015/2016. I believe they were the mainstay of the fleet.

Yes indeed. They had four ex-JL B747-346. They started phasing out B747-300 in mid 2016.

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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:38 pm

Any picture so we can see for ourselves if it exited the runway ?
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:54 pm

According to Flightradar24, it landed at Kano at 13:26 on the 5th.

By 19:49, it had flown to Jeddah.

By 09:38 the next day it had flown back to Lagos.

Clearly no significant repairs had been needed.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:12 pm

Thanks

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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:07 pm

Due to the gusty winds in Minna, Nigeria, the 747-400 had a pod scrape on touchdown. Looks like #1 engine fan cowl was ripped off in the pics. There was no runway overrun or crash landing.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:29 pm

xms3200 wrote:
Due to the gusty winds in Minna, Nigeria, the 747-400 had a pod scrape on touchdown. Looks like #1 engine fan cowl was ripped off in the pics. There was no runway overrun or crash landing.

Good to hear. I am still baffled (and seem to be the only one here to feel that way) by the absence of Fire and Rescue Services at an airport where you land with nearly 600 passengers. I think that is irresponsible and unacceptable...even by Nigerian standards.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:01 pm

xms3200

In that case, how did they get to Jeddah so soon?.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:20 pm

Aesma wrote:
Any picture so we can see for ourselves if it exited the runway ?


I second this comment. Surely there must be some photos at least, even though we know it didn’t leave the runway.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:28 pm

According to the AV Herald article mentioned above:

"On Sep 8th 2019 the airline reported the aircraft landed in a heavy downpour and gusting winds, the ILS was "epileptic" with unreliable signals. The crew performed the approach using their wealth of knowledge about the terrain and environment and performed a safe landing and stop on the runway, one of the engine pods however did contact the runway surface and was slightly brushed. The slight brush of the engine was due to the complex landing maneouvers occasioned by a strong downdraft. The aircraft did not crash land or skid off the runway"

http://avherald.com/h?article=4cc8752f

Sounds the airline is trying to frame this in the best light possible.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:46 pm

Ultimately it depends if you believe the Accident Investigation Bureau or Maxair.

Either way, I am glad that I don’t have to fly on a Nigerian carrier.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:51 pm

cpd wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Any picture so we can see for ourselves if it exited the runway ?


I second this comment. Surely there must be some photos at least, even though we know it didn’t leave the runway.

I agree as well. I can't seem to find any photos for some reason, which is surprising because you would think that there would be people taking pictures of an event in which nearly 600 people were onboard...
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:54 pm

bennett123 wrote:
According to Flightradar24, it landed at Kano at 13:26 on the 5th.

By 19:49, it had flown to Jeddah.

By 09:38 the next day it had flown back to Lagos.

Clearly no significant repairs had been needed.

The incident was on the 7th and the aircraft is still on the ground at Minna since.
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:56 pm

AC77X wrote:
cpd wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Any picture so we can see for ourselves if it exited the runway ?


I second this comment. Surely there must be some photos at least, even though we know it didn’t leave the runway.

I agree as well. I can't seem to find any photos for some reason, which is surprising because you would think that there would be people taking pictures of an event in which nearly 600 people were onboard...

Pictures available here: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 3622953080
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:18 pm

WOWZER! An airport without fire fighters? This airport should be closed!

"An airport official told the Nation that a fire would have had catastrophic consequences because the airport doesn't have its own fire brigade".

"The official said: “The fire that would have followed would have spread to all parts of the airport because we don’t have fire fighting vehicles in this airport."
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:29 pm

FCOTSTW wrote:
WOWZER! An airport without fire fighters? This airport should be closed!

"An airport official told the Nation that a fire would have had catastrophic consequences because the airport doesn't have its own fire brigade".

"The official said: “The fire that would have followed would have spread to all parts of the airport because we don’t have fire fighting vehicles in this airport."

Ding, ding, ding!!

I believe THIS is the newsworthy part of this incident.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:39 pm

The A/C is still in Minna awaiting repairs... new fan cowls needed plus sheet metal work . That is going to take time, especially at an airport with no fire brigade, no aircraft maintenance hangars, no ground support equipment
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:50 pm

MalevTU134 wrote:
FCOTSTW wrote:
WOWZER! An airport without fire fighters? This airport should be closed!

"An airport official told the Nation that a fire would have had catastrophic consequences because the airport doesn't have its own fire brigade".

"The official said: “The fire that would have followed would have spread to all parts of the airport because we don’t have fire fighting vehicles in this airport."

Ding, ding, ding!!

I believe THIS is the newsworthy part of this incident.


The Fire would have spread to all part of the airport.... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

very newsworthy
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:51 pm

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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:32 am

Not very dramatic, judging from pictures?
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:46 am

The Iranian folks would fix that in the blink of an eye... BTW, no ARFFS... T. I. A, and a nice lovely Hajj operation :)
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:02 am

If a landing is that "complex", with a malfunctioning ILS, it probably shouldn't have been attempted. The airline wants to suggest that a little pod scape is no big deal, almost an expected occurrence. Clue: It's a big deal.
 
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Re: B747 with 550 onboard hard landing in Nigeria

Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:57 am

It is not exactly a hajj flight in this case. Hajj was in early august this year. For the rest of the year, pilgrimage is umrah. Still bringing quite a lot of people to Saudi Arabia.

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