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OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:10 pm
by enilria
FAQ

AS OF JULY 2018 THERE ARE CHANGES TO THE FORMAT OF THIS REPORT...SEE BELOW

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares departures for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...prior year departures are now shown in brackets e.g. [0].

THE SCHEDULES SHOWN HERE CHANGE AFTER YOU POST???
-To improve is to change; to be perfect is to change often---Winston Churchill. This is data the carriers filed at the point in time it was captured. It's changed since then. You are just going to have to live with it.

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5[4] JAN 4>5[4]
XXX Departure IATA code, YYY Arrival IATA code, Month, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of last week, Average Departures/Day over the month for sale as of this week, in brackets is the number of Average Departures/Day over the month that were scheduled one year earlier. So, it means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. It also means that there were 4 roundtrips the prior year in each month. No other months were changed. I average two directions.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
NEW CHANGE-Sometimes airlines do not load their schedules for the entire 330 day standard sales window. Southwest and many LCCs load their schedules for as little as 5 months into the future. When these flight are extended into a new sales month, it becomes a "schedule change". Previously, I have manually deleted these in many cases and replaced them with a Year-Over-Year compare. Effective immediately, this will now change. When a flight is loaded from 0 departures X departures, where X was the same the prior year, the record will not be shown. For example, if Delta loaded ATL-EGE MAR 0>1(1), it would not be shown because this additional flight does not represent a real year-over-year addition. Similarly, if B6 extended their schedule a record like this ATL-BOS JUL 0>4(4) would not be shown. It will be shown if the flight frequency changed from the prior year. So B6 ATL-BOS JUL 0>3(4) would be shown. If a partial month was loaded in a core schedule that became a full schedule month, those changes may be shown under this logic. For example, WN BNA-SEA 0.3>2(2). Because only a fraction of the month was previously loaded for sale, these changes will not be filtered out. I may, however, manually remove them to declutter.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month. The following criteria are used to show a change: 1) The change must be at least 6 roundtrips per month with no exceptions, 2) changes of at least 6/week are always shown, 3) routes that are added or dropped are shown subject to the change minimum, and 4) in all other cases routes must change by 20% to be shown. For example, if a route changed from 21/week to 18/week it would not be shown because the change is -14.3%. This is done to filter minor changes that occur in large numbers.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Flights that do not operate every day of the month create fractional service. If the route has more than 2 daily flights, departures are rounded, but in cases of less than 2 departures per day a fraction is shown. For example, if a flight operates 4 times in April it will show 4/30=0.133=0.1. Also , a flight that only operates once per week may vary between 0.1 and 0.2 because a weekday may repeat either 4 or 5 times depending on the month.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE SKYWEST
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
Seats are not shown. That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard or overlapping schedule periods that see the same flight number in two places at once. These cause flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4B ALS-DEN NOV 3>4[3] DEC 3>4[3]

4O CUN-LAX NOV 0>0.7[1.0] DEC 0>0.5[1.2] JAN 0>0.2[1.0]

7H GAM-OME OCT 1.4>0.9[0.9] NOV 1.4>0.9[0.9] DEC 1.4>0.9[0.9] JAN 1.4>0.9[1.4] FEB 1.4>0.9[1.4] MAR 1.4>0.9[1.4] APR 1.4>0.9[1.4] MAY 1.4>0.9[1.4] JUN 1.4>0.9[1.4]
7H GAM-SVA OCT 1.4>0.9[0.9] NOV 1.4>0.9[0.9] DEC 1.4>0.9[0.9] JAN 1.4>0.9[1.4] FEB 1.4>0.9[1.4] MAR 1.4>0.9[1.4] APR 1.4>0.9[1.4] MAY 1.4>0.9[1.4] JUN 1.4>0.9[1.4]
7H OME-SVA OCT 1.4>0.9[0.9] NOV 1.4>0.9[0.9] DEC 1.4>0.9[0.9] JAN 1.4>0.9[1.4] FEB 1.4>0.9[1.4] MAR 1.4>0.9[1.4] APR 1.4>0.9[1.4] MAY 1.4>0.9[1.4] JUN 1.4>0.9[1.4]

AA CLT-DAB JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[5] MAR 4>5[5] APR 4>5[5] MAY 4>5[4] JUN 4>5[4]
AA CLT-ELH FEB 0.2>0.4[0.1] MAR 0.1>0.6[0.2] APR 0.1>0.6[0.1] MAY 0.2>0.6[0.1] JUN 0.1>0.6[0.2]
AA CLT-PUJ FEB 1.8>1.2[1.8] MAR 2>1.0[2] APR 2>1.0[2] MAY 3>2[3] JUN 3>2[3]
AA DFW-LIR DEC 0.8>0.5[0.5]
AA LGA-MCO JAN 1.1>1.9[1.0] FEB 1.0>2[1.0] MAR 1.0>2[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0]
AA LGA-ORD JAN 13>12[12] FEB 13>12[14] MAR 14>12[13] APR 14>13[14] MAY 13>12[12] JUN 14>13[12]
AA MGA-MIA JAN 3>1.8[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3]
AA MIA-SNU JAN 1.8>1.0[1.1] FEB 2>1.0[1.0] MAR 1.9>1.0[1.0] JUN 1.9>1.0[1.8]
AA ORD-SMF DEC 1.1>1.5[1.0]
AA PHX-PVR JAN 2>1.5[2]
AA PHX-SJO JAN 0.5>1.0[0.5] FEB 0.8>1.0[0.8]

AM GDL-SFO FEB 0.9>0.4[0.9] MAR 0.8>0.4[0.9] APR 0.9>0.4[0.8] MAY 0.9>0.4[0.9]

AS ANC-DUT JAN 2>4[3]
AS ANC-RDB NOV 0.1>0.5[0.3] DEC 0.0>0.4[0.3]
*AS PDX-SBP JUN 0>0.4[0]
*AS SAN-SBP JAN 0>0.8[0] FEB 0>1.0[0] MAR 0>1.0[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
AS SFO-SNA NOV 6>7[5] DEC 6>7[5]

B0 EWR-NCE JUN 0>0.5[0.7]

DL ATL-CID FEB 1.7>2[2]
*DL ATL-HND APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
*DL ATL-NRT APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
DL ATL-PVR JAN 1.1>0.9[1.0] FEB 1.2>0.9[1.1]
Now not just weekends in peak
**DL BZN-SEA JAN 0.4>1.9[0.1] FEB 0.3>2[0] MAR 0.3>2[0.2] APR 0>1.9[0] MAY 0>1.8[0] JUN 0.0>1.9[0.0]
DL CMH-DTW MAR 6>7[6] APR 6>7[6]
DL CMH-RDU FEB 0.8>0.6[0.8]
DL DTW-FLL MAR 6>7[6] APR 5>6[4]
*DL DTW-HND APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
DL DTW-MBJ APR 1.1>0.8[0.1]
*DL DTW-NRT APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
DL FLL-RDU DEC 1.3>1.6[1.3]
DL GTF-MSP DEC 1.3>1.0[1.3]
*DL HND-HNL APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
*DL HND-PDX APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
*DL HND-SEA APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]
*DL HNL-NRT APR 1.0>0[1.1] MAY 1.0>0[1.1] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
*DL ISN-MSP OCT 2>0.6[2] NOV 1.9>0[1.9] DEC 1.9>0[1.9] JAN 1.9>0[1.9] FEB 1.9>0[1.9] MAR 2>0[2] APR 2>0[2] MAY 3>0[2] JUN 3>0[3]
Shortening the season
*DL JFK-KEF MAR 0.6>0[0.6]
**DL LAS-PDX APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0]
DL MSN-MSP FEB 4>5[5] MAR 5>6[5]
*DL MSP-XWA OCT 0>1.4[0] NOV 0>1.9[0] DEC 0>1.9[0] JAN 0>1.9[0] FEB 0>1.9[0] MAR 0>2[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>3[0] JUN 0>3[0]
*DL NRT-PDX APR 1.0>0[0.7] MAY 1.0>0[0.8] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
*DL NRT-SEA APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
DL PHL-SLC MAR 1.4>1.0[1.0]
DL SEA-SJC JAN 4>5[4] FEB 4>5[4] MAR 5>6[4] APR 5>6[4] MAY 5>6[5]

OB MIA-VVI DEC 0.6>1.0[0.8] JAN 0.6>1.0[0.8] FEB 0.6>1.0[0.9] MAR 0.6>1.0[0.6] APR 0.6>1.0[0.6] MAY 0.6>1.0[0.6] JUN 0.6>1.0[0.6]

OZ ICN-SEA NOV 1.0>0.7[0.7] DEC 1.0>0.7[0.7] JAN 1.0>0.7[0.7] FEB 1.0>0.7[0.7] MAR 1.0>0.7[0.7]

SK ARN-LAX JAN 0.9>0.4[0.8] FEB 0.9>0[0.9] MAR 0.8>0[0.9] APR 0.9>0[0.8] MAY 0.9>0[0.9] JUN 0.8>0[0.9]
SK CPH-LAX JAN 0>0.5[0] FEB 0>0.9[0] MAR 0>0.9[0] APR 0>1.0[0] MAY 0>1.0[0] JUN 0>1.0[0]

PVD focus city didn't pan out. No flights are left it appears.
*SY BNA-PVD NOV 0.7>0[0] DEC 0.5>0[0] JAN 0.3>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0]
SY DEN-MSP DEC 0.6>1.0[0]
*SY EWR-MSP JAN 0.1>0.6[0] FEB 0>0.6[0] MAR 0>0.5[0]
*SY LAS-PVD NOV 0.3>0[0] DEC 0.2>0[0] JAN 0.3>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0]
SY MSP-PUJ JAN 0.9>0.5[0.9] FEB 1.5>0.8[1.5] APR 0.8>0.1[0.7]
*SY MSP-PVD NOV 0.7>0[0] DEC 0.6>0[0]
SY MSP-SJD JAN 0.1>0.3[0.3]
SY MSP-SMF DEC 0.5>0.6[0]
*SY MSY-PVD NOV 0.3>0[0] DEC 0.3>0[0] JAN 0.3>0[0] FEB 0.3>0[0] MAR 0.3>0[0]

TOM BHX-SFB MAY 0>0.3[0.2] JUN 0>0.2[0.1]
TOM GLA-SFB JUN 0>0.2[0.1]

*UA CAE-IAH OCT 0.7>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 0.9>0[1.0] JAN 0.9>0[1.0] FEB 0.8>0[1.0]
*UA CHA-IAD DEC 1.6>0.2[1.6] JAN 1.8>0[1.7] FEB 2>0[1.9] MAR 2>0[2] APR 2>0[2] MAY 2>0[2] JUN 2>0[2]
UA CHA-ORD DEC 3>4[3] JAN 3>4[3] FEB 2>3[3] MAR 3>4[3] APR 3>4[3] MAY 3>4[1.9] JUN 3>4[1.9]
*UA DAY-EWR APR 1.0>0[1.0] MAY 1.0>0[1.0] JUN 1.0>0[1.0]
UA DAY-IAD APR 2>3[2.0] MAY 2>3[2] JUN 2>3[1.9]
*UA EGE-IAD DEC 0.4>0[0.4] JAN 0.3>0[0.3] MAR 0.8>0[0.8]
*UA EWR-YOW MAR 2>0.2[1.9] APR 2>0[2] MAY 2>0[2.0] JUN 2>0[3]
UA FAI-ORD MAY 1.0>0.8[1.0]
UA ILM-ORD JAN 1.0>0.1[1.2] FEB 0.4>0[1.0]

MAX Cuts rolled forward
WN ATL-BNA DEC 4>3[4]
WN ATL-BOS DEC 1.1>0.6[2.0]
WN ATL-RSW DEC 1.7>1.3[1.6]
WN AUS-EWR DEC 1.7>1.1[1.6]
WN AUS-RDU DEC 0.9>0.5[0]
WN AUS-SFO DEC 0.8>0.4[0.9]
WN BHM-BWI DEC 1.6>1.9[1.5]
WN BHM-LAS DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]
WN BNA-BUR DEC 1.0>0.5[0]
WN BNA-CHS DEC 1.4>1.8[1.2]
WN BNA-EWR DEC 3>1.3[0]
WN BNA-MKE DEC 1.6>1.3[1.7]
WN BOI-GEG DEC 1.6>1.3[1.7]
WN BOI-PHX DEC 1.4>1.8[1.3]
WN BOI-SMF DEC 1.4>1.8[1.4]
WN BOS-CMH DEC 1.0>1.4[1.3]
WN BOS-DAL DEC 1.2>1.5[1.0]
WN BOS-MCI DEC 0.9>0.5[1.0]
WN BOS-MKE DEC 0.6>0.9[1.2]
WN BUF-TPA DEC 1.5>1.8[1.4]
WN BUR-DAL DEC 1.3>1.7[1.0]
WN BUR-SLC DEC 0.9>0.5[1.0]
WN BUR-SMF DEC 10>8[8]
WN BWI-EWR DEC 1.8>0.9[0]
WN BWI-MEM DEC 1.6>1.9[1.3]
WN BWI-OAK DEC 1.3>1.7[1.3]
WN BWI-SEA DEC 0.6>0.9[0.9]
WN BWI-SJC DEC 0.6>0.9[0.9]
WN CHS-DEN DEC 0.5>0.8[0.4]
WN CLE-PHX DEC 1.0>0.6[1.1]
WN CMH-DAL DEC 1.5>1.8[1.3]
WN CMH-DEN DEC 1.4>1.7[1.3]
WN CMH-FLL DEC 1.5>1.9[1.6]
WN CMH-OAK DEC 0.6>0.9[0.4]
WN CMH-RSW DEC 1.9>3[2]
WN CMH-TPA DEC 3>4[3]
WN DAL-DTW DEC 1.3>1.6[1.0]
WN DAL-HOU DEC 17>16[17]
WN DAL-IND DEC 1.5>1.9[1.5]
WN DAL-OMA DEC 1.5>1.8[1.3]
WN DAL-PIT DEC 1.3>1.7[1.1]
WN DAL-RDU DEC 1.3>1.7[1.2]
WN DAL-SAT DEC 8>7[8]
WN DEN-EWR DEC 1.8>0.9[1.9]
WN DEN-LAS DEC 8>7[8]
WN DTW-PHX DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]
WN EWR-MDW DEC 5>2[5]
WN EWR-PHX DEC 0.9>0.5[1.0]
WN EWR-STL DEC 1.8>0.9[1.9]
WN FLL-ISP DEC 1.3>1.6[1.4]
WN FLL-LAS DEC 0.7>1.0[0.5]
WN FLL-PIT DEC 1.6>2.0[1.4]
WN GEG-SJC DEC 1.0>0.6[1.0]
WN GEG-SMF DEC 1.3>1.6[1.2]
WN HOU-PHL DEC 0.9>0.5[0.1]
WN HOU-RDU DEC 1.4>1.8[1.3]
WN HOU-SLC DEC 1.0>0.5[1.0]
WN HOU-SMF DEC 1.0>0.5[0.1]
WN IND-OAK DEC 0.3>0.6[0.9]
WN IND-RSW DEC 1.8>2[2]
WN IND-TPA DEC 2>3[2]
WN ISP-TPA DEC 1.5>1.8[1.3]
WN LAS-MAF DEC 1.4>1.8[1.3]
WN LAS-MCO DEC 1.6>1.3[1.8]
WN LAS-MDW DEC 7>6[7]
WN LAS-OMA DEC 1.6>1.9[2]
WN LAS-PDX DEC 4>3[4]
WN LAS-PHX DEC 9>7[9]
WN LAS-SAN DEC 8>7[9]
WN LAS-TUL DEC 1.4>1.8[1.2]
WN LAX-OMA DEC 0.9>0.5[0.9]
WN LAX-PDX DEC 1.8>1.4[2]
WN LAX-TPA DEC 0.9>0.5[1.0]
WN LIT-PHX DEC 0.9>0.5[0.9]
WN MCI-MKE DEC 1.7>1.4[1.6]
WN MCI-PDX DEC 0.3>0.7[0.9]
WN MCI-RDU DEC 0.9>0.6[1.0]
WN MCI-STL DEC 3>2[3]
WN MCO-MEM DEC 1.6>2.0[1.5]
WN MCO-OAK DEC 0.6>0.9[0.9]
WN MCO-SAT DEC 1.6>2.0[1.5]
WN MCO-SDF DEC 1.5>1.9[1.5]
WN MCO-SJC DEC 0.6>0.9[0.9]
WN MCO-SMF DEC 0.6>0.9[1.0]
WN MDW-MHT DEC 1.4>1.7[2]
WN MDW-OKC DEC 1.4>1.8[1.2]
WN MDW-ORF DEC 1.5>1.8[1.5]
WN MDW-PDX DEC 2.0>1.5[2.0]
WN MDW-PVD DEC 1.6>2.0[2]
WN MDW-SJC DEC 1.4>1.7[1.5]
WN MDW-SLC DEC 1.8>2[2]
WN MKE-RSW DEC 1.3>1.7[1.3]
WN MSY-OAK DEC 0.6>0.9[1.0]
WN MSY-PHX DEC 1.6>1.2[1.6]
WN MSY-SAN DEC 0.6>0.9[1.0]
WN ONT-PHX DEC 6>5[6]
WN PHL-TPA DEC 1.8>2[2.0]
WN PHX-SAN DEC 10>9[10]
WN PHX-TUL DEC 1.6>1.9[1.6]
WN PIT-RSW DEC 1.3>1.7[1.2]
WN PVD-TPA DEC 1.5>1.8[1.4]
WN RNO-SJC DEC 1.6>1.2[1.6]
WN ROC-TPA DEC 0.5>0.9[1.0]
WN RSW-STL DEC 1.8>2[1.9]

WS BOS-YYZ OCT 3>2[3] NOV 3>1.9[3] DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2.0[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3] APR 3>2[3]
WS HNL-YVR DEC 1.9>2[2]
WS HNL-YYC DEC 0.3>0[0.2]
WS LAS-YWG NOV 0.3>0.0[0.3] DEC 0.3>0[0.3]
WS OGG-YEG DEC 0.2>0[0.3]
WS OGG-YYC DEC 0.7>0.5[1.0]
WS PHX-YQR NOV 0.3>0.0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0[0.5]
WS PHX-YWG NOV 0.3>0.1[0.6] DEC 0.3>0[0.5]
WS PHX-YXE NOV 0.3>0.0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0[0.4]
WS PHX-YYZ NOV 0.4>0.1[0.6] DEC 0.4>0[0.5]

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:28 pm
by Cointrin330
Wow, no AA JFK cuts in this round.

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:28 pm
by BA744PHX
enilria wrote:
WS PHX-YQR NOV 0.3>0.0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0[0.5]
WS PHX-YWG NOV 0.3>0.1[0.6] DEC 0.3>0[0.5]
WS PHX-YXE NOV 0.3>0.0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0[0.4]
WS PHX-YYZ NOV 0.4>0.1[0.6] DEC 0.4>0[0.5]


Thanks for the weekly update, this is very odd all these route are flying from October 27 - November 3rd than cut until January. I assume this is an error?

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:31 pm
by RL757PVD
There’s an article that references a seasonal suspension of PVD. I heard the summer flights did well and they are short on aircraft this winter so we will have to see when they extend their schedule next if things are back or not.

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:46 pm
by tomaheath
RL757PVD wrote:
There’s an article that references a seasonal suspension of PVD. I heard the summer flights did well and they are short on aircraft this winter so we will have to see when they extend their schedule next if things are back or not.

I thought I had read an article about how some were going well with others not so much. https://www.providencejournal.com/news/ ... Dqblllbs_M

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:55 pm
by pmanni1
WN ATL-BNA DEC 4>3[4]

This was started a year ago with 5 flights a day. Already dwindled down to 3.

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:18 pm
by BlatantEcho
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:23 pm
by tphuang
Good morning and thanks enilria!

enilria wrote:
AA LGA-MCO JAN 1.1>1.9[1.0] FEB 1.0>2[1.0] MAR 1.0>2[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0]
AA LGA-ORD JAN 13>12[12] FEB 13>12[14] MAR 14>12[13] APR 14>13[14] MAY 13>12[12] JUN 14>13[12]

interesting move here of reducing on a shuttle route to add capacity on MCO. Guess this is result of cutting JFK-MCO.
Not sure why AA is reducing frequencies on these important northeastern shuttles

**DL LAS-PDX APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0]

PDX is looking to me more and more like a focus city vs places like SJC/BNA. As I've said before, if DL really wants to catch up to AS at SEA, it needs to start attacking PDX.

*UA EWR-YOW MAR 2>0.2[1.9] APR 2>0[2] MAY 2>0[2.0] JUN 2>0[3]

leaving this to AC maybe?

WS BOS-YYZ OCT 3>2[3] NOV 3>1.9[3] DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2.0[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3] APR 3>2[3]

this is really weak. At this rate, AC will be chasing them out of BOS.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:24 pm
by tphuang
pmanni1 wrote:
WN ATL-BNA DEC 4>3[4]

This was started a year ago with 5 flights a day. Already dwindled down to 3.

that's called cuts during holiday season. Everyone does it.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:31 pm
by MIflyer12
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


PDX boosters want more flights. You can't assume they'll all be by AS. There are four AS A320s making the trip tomorrow. There's not so much logical connectivity xxx-PDX-LAS as to think it's not primarily O&D. LAS is a very large O&D market; DL has other non-hub flights, including half a dozen destinations in California.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:38 pm
by pmanni1
tphuang wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
WN ATL-BNA DEC 4>3[4]

This was started a year ago with 5 flights a day. Already dwindled down to 3.

that's called cuts during holiday season. Everyone does it.

DL is the only competition on this route and they aren't doing any holiday cuts. Still 10x daily in December.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:48 pm
by CarlosSi
Wuuut, but PDX ain’t no focus city!

*trikert*

They really should be though. Delta’s logic is absurd. I don’t mean to stir the pot here :stir:

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:50 pm
by tphuang
pmanni1 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
WN ATL-BNA DEC 4>3[4]

This was started a year ago with 5 flights a day. Already dwindled down to 3.

that's called cuts during holiday season. Everyone does it.

DL is the only competition on this route and they aren't doing any holiday cuts. Still 10x daily in December.

Just take a look At January, it's back to 5x. I don't know what the big deal is. DL runs 12 or 13x during other month. Everyone cuts these types of routes around holiday season.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:52 pm
by sprxUSA
Why the * for ISN-MSP? Just switching to new airport (XWA) like UA last week. Nothing interesting about that.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:54 pm
by ericm2031
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


SY already flies it. F9 is starting in November. Delta will be the 6th carrier (AS/DL/F9/WN/NK/SY).

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:56 pm
by EvanWSFO
sprxUSA wrote:
Why the * for ISN-MSP? Just switching to new airport (XWA) like UA last week. Nothing interesting about that.


Perhaps someone missed last week's discussion on this new code?

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:58 pm
by ANA787
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


The new LAS flights connect perfectly to/from the new PDX-HND flights. In fact it seems Delta is prioritizing this connection flight- when doing a dummy booking, LAS-PDX-HND-PDX-LAS always comes up first. I wouldn’t be surprised to see DL add additional flights at PDX to support the HND flights- possibly SAN, SJC, SFO, PHX, ANC.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:59 pm
by sunking737
SY will have a smaller fleet this winter. They are retiring the -700. Replacement -800 are not coming online like they had planned due to the airline they are coming from have not received the MAX replacements. They are only getting 2 HV birds this year too. They will have 28 vs 32/34 like they thought

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:10 pm
by maps4ltd
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


In the same vein as LAS-LGB, LAS-SAN, LAS-SNA, and LAS-SEA. DL's built up a nice little west coast operation.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:55 pm
by phllax
maps4ltd wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


In the same vein as LAS-LGB, LAS-SAN, LAS-SNA, and LAS-SEA. DL's built up a nice little west coast operation.


They are ending SNA-LAS due to the annual slot re-allocation, so this just shifts the airplanes to another close market.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:19 pm
by Dominion301
BA744PHX wrote:
enilria wrote:
WS PHX-YQR NOV 0.3>0.0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0[0.5]
WS PHX-YWG NOV 0.3>0.1[0.6] DEC 0.3>0[0.5]
WS PHX-YXE NOV 0.3>0.0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0[0.4]
WS PHX-YYZ NOV 0.4>0.1[0.6] DEC 0.4>0[0.5]


Thanks for the weekly update, this is very odd all these route are flying from October 27 - November 3rd than cut until January. I assume this is an error?


Doubt it. More MAX-related cuts. Several routes have been cut one month and back the next. WS were late to the cancel MAX flying until 2020 party. This is the result.

tphuang wrote:
Good morning and thanks enilria!

enilria wrote:
AA LGA-MCO JAN 1.1>1.9[1.0] FEB 1.0>2[1.0] MAR 1.0>2[1.0] APR 1.0>2[1.0] MAY 1.0>2[1.0] JUN 1.0>2[1.0]
AA LGA-ORD JAN 13>12[12] FEB 13>12[14] MAR 14>12[13] APR 14>13[14] MAY 13>12[12] JUN 14>13[12]

interesting move here of reducing on a shuttle route to add capacity on MCO. Guess this is result of cutting JFK-MCO.
Not sure why AA is reducing frequencies on these important northeastern shuttles

**DL LAS-PDX APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0]

PDX is looking to me more and more like a focus city vs places like SJC/BNA. As I've said before, if DL really wants to catch up to AS at SEA, it needs to start attacking PDX.

*UA EWR-YOW MAR 2>0.2[1.9] APR 2>0[2] MAY 2>0[2.0] JUN 2>0[3]

leaving this to AC maybe?

WS BOS-YYZ OCT 3>2[3] NOV 3>1.9[3] DEC 3>2[3] JAN 3>2.0[3] FEB 3>2[3] MAR 3>2[3] APR 3>2[3]

this is really weak. At this rate, AC will be chasing them out of BOS.



Indeed, leaving YOW-EWR solely to AC. Still, that’s -2/day frequency = -40% capacity change, ouch! I doubt AC will add a frequency or upgauge to a CR9 either. So right when UA will be bringing back YOW-ORD, they drop EWR. YOW can’t catch a break. I guess this is another example of consumers benefiting from JVs. :lol:

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:39 pm
by DLASFlyer
UA tried and failed a couple years ago with IAD-JAC so the IAD-EGE cut is not too surprising.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:41 pm
by COflyerBOS
Another Southern city cut at IAH by United after years of service. I know lots of folks with USC connections who aren’t going to be thrilled.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:49 pm
by Planeboy17
phllax wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


In the same vein as LAS-LGB, LAS-SAN, LAS-SNA, and LAS-SEA. DL's built up a nice little west coast operation.


They are ending SNA-LAS due to the annual slot re-allocation, so this just shifts the airplanes to another close market.
tphuang wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
that's called cuts during holiday season. Everyone does it.

DL is the only competition on this route and they aren't doing any holiday cuts. Still 10x daily in December.

Just take a look At January, it's back to 5x. I don't know what the big deal is. DL runs 12 or 13x during other month. Everyone cuts these types of routes around holiday season.
sunking737 wrote:
SY will have a smaller fleet this winter. They are retiring the -700. Replacement -800 are not coming online like they had planned due to the airline they are coming from have not received the MAX replacements. They are only getting 2 HV birds this year too. They will have 28 vs 32/34 like they thought

Thank you all for these informative posts. This is why I still enjoy this website so much, when informed people post factual information without prejudice that helps to clarify questions like these that are brought up.
It’s reaffirming to know that there are many people on this site who are not just well informed but can deliver it a rather objective and non combative way.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:20 pm
by SANFan
Re: PDX-LAS on DL adds.

IMO, PDX is just late to the LAS-party. As others have posted, several w/c cities already have Vegas service on DL; e.g., SAN-LAS began Dec 2016 with 3 daily r/t and now we see ~4.

I doubt it has anything to do with turning PDX into a focus city or a major TYO connecting point. Just adding some service in a large O&D market, similar to several other cities already seeing the service.

bb

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:53 pm
by Rdh3e
tphuang wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
that's called cuts during holiday season. Everyone does it.

DL is the only competition on this route and they aren't doing any holiday cuts. Still 10x daily in December.

Just take a look At January, it's back to 5x. I don't know what the big deal is. DL runs 12 or 13x during other month. Everyone cuts these types of routes around holiday season.

It's MAX cuts. January is at 5 because they haven't cut the MAX from the schedule yet.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:03 pm
by sprxUSA
EvanWSFO wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Why the * for ISN-MSP? Just switching to new airport (XWA) like UA last week. Nothing interesting about that.


Perhaps someone missed last week's discussion on this new code?



Well the same people that saw last week are probably same ones always looking at this, so I am sure they saw the various XWA notes and comments then. Additionally, odd ISN end was an *, but XWA add was not LOL.

Great to see all of this info each week, and certainly glad Enrila compiles it as well! Makes my day and almost the only useful posts on here these days.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:04 pm
by enilria
[twoid][/twoid]
BA744PHX wrote:
enilria wrote:
WS PHX-YQR NOV 0.3>0.0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0[0.5]
WS PHX-YWG NOV 0.3>0.1[0.6] DEC 0.3>0[0.5]
WS PHX-YXE NOV 0.3>0.0[0.4] DEC 0.4>0[0.4]
WS PHX-YYZ NOV 0.4>0.1[0.6] DEC 0.4>0[0.5]


Thanks for the weekly update, this is very odd all these route are flying from October 27 - November 3rd than cut until January. I assume this is an error?

It is what they filed. All I know.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:05 pm
by enilria
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.

Same thought. I guess FFP burn destination needed to build loyalty.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:07 pm
by enilria
sprxUSA wrote:
Why the * for ISN-MSP? Just switching to new airport (XWA) like UA last week. Nothing interesting about that.

Switching airports isn’t a big deal? I’d say it is a huge deal.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:10 pm
by enilria
sprxUSA wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Why the * for ISN-MSP? Just switching to new airport (XWA) like UA last week. Nothing interesting about that.


Perhaps someone missed last week's discussion on this new code?



Well the same people that saw last week are probably same ones always looking at this, so I am sure they saw the various XWA notes and comments then. Additionally, odd ISN end was an *, but XWA add was not LOL.

Great to see all of this info each week, and certainly glad Enrila compiles it as well! Makes my day and almost the only useful posts on here these days.

<eye roll> it’s a new airport. I can spare them an *. If B6 switched from ORD to MDW that’s def an *.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:12 pm
by kavok
enilria wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
Why the * for ISN-MSP? Just switching to new airport (XWA) like UA last week. Nothing interesting about that.

Switching airports isn’t a big deal? I’d say it is a huge deal.

Agreed. We have several threads about airlines switching from NRT to HND, so some definitely find the switching of airports interesting. I doubt anyone is questioning the starred DL switches from NRT to HND this week in this week’s list.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:17 pm
by Cubsrule
Rdh3e wrote:
tphuang wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
DL is the only competition on this route and they aren't doing any holiday cuts. Still 10x daily in December.

Just take a look At January, it's back to 5x. I don't know what the big deal is. DL runs 12 or 13x during other month. Everyone cuts these types of routes around holiday season.

It's MAX cuts. January is at 5 because they haven't cut the MAX from the schedule yet.


Indeed, but the larger point holds: until the MAX situation is resolved, it’s tough to read too much into the cuts.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:19 pm
by Cactusjuba
maps4ltd wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


In the same vein as LAS-LGB, LAS-SAN, LAS-SNA, and LAS-SEA. DL's built up a nice little west coast operation.


Don't forget LAS-SJC too.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:25 pm
by steex
kavok wrote:
Agreed. We have several threads about airlines switching from NRT to HND, so some definitely find the switching of airports interesting. I doubt anyone is questioning the starred DL switches from NRT to HND this week in this week’s list.


I can see both sides of this one. Switching from NRT to HND is a commercial decision that was made by the airlines with a competitive process, so finally knowing the results/schedules of this is definitely news. The entire process provides some insight into the airlines' strategies, and I think that window is what people find most interesting for this thread.

The switch from ISN to XWA is also interesting in that new airports are interesting, but we're not seeing any commercial route decisions made as a result at this point - one airport closes and the other opens, so it's really just a transfer of ALL flights. It's not as though some flights are staying at ISN and the switch indicates anything about strategy.

Ultimately, though, I don't see how the inclusion or exclusion of "*" matters at all for any route - no two people will ever universally agree on what is interesting and enilria is marking what he finds interesting, not what he we thinks everyone else will definitely find interesting.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:28 pm
by airtechy
So after all the NRT > HND shifts, will Delta have any flights into NRT? Hope they have as good a Sky Club at HND as the one at NRT.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:30 pm
by N649DL
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


Not terribly surprising considering DL is flying LAS-SJC/SAN/SNA already. I think this is just for regional demand to go to LAS only, especially with DL flying LGB-LAS starting next month.

Odd I just checked wiki and I'm surprised RDU-LAS is only seasonal considering it's a focus city.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:00 pm
by braniff2hav
Funny SY, just launched PVD-MSY I think this week ... I'd think it would do well here for the S. Louisiana peak season.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:21 pm
by jetlanta
CarlosSi wrote:
Wuuut, but PDX ain’t no focus city!

*trikert*

They really should be though. Delta’s logic is absurd. I don’t mean to stir the pot here :stir:


Delta's logic is perfectly fine. You just don't understand THEIR definition of a focus city. FYI..the largest unnerved market from Las Vegas is Tokyo. And Delta no longer has connections beyond Tokyo for the PDX flight. So...

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:43 pm
by Midwestindy
N649DL wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


Not terribly surprising considering DL is flying LAS-SJC/SAN/SNA already. I think this is just for regional demand to go to LAS only, especially with DL flying LGB-LAS starting next month.

Odd I just checked wiki and I'm surprised RDU-LAS is only seasonal considering it's a focus city.


RDU-LAS is only just now starting in January, so I don't know if it is actually seasonal, I presume it will be year-round

jetlanta wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
Wuuut, but PDX ain’t no focus city!

*trikert*

They really should be though. Delta’s logic is absurd. I don’t mean to stir the pot here :stir:


Delta's logic is perfectly fine. You just don't understand THEIR definition of a focus city. FYI..the largest unnerved market from Las Vegas is Tokyo. And Delta no longer has connections beyond Tokyo for the PDX flight. So...


SANFan wrote:
Re: PDX-LAS on DL adds.

IMO, PDX is just late to the LAS-party. As others have posted, several w/c cities already have Vegas service on DL; e.g., SAN-LAS began Dec 2016 with 3 daily r/t and now we see ~4.

I doubt it has anything to do with turning PDX into a focus city or a major TYO connecting point. Just adding some service in a large O&D market, similar to several other cities already seeing the service.

bb


ANA787 wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


The new LAS flights connect perfectly to/from the new PDX-HND flights. In fact it seems Delta is prioritizing this connection flight- when doing a dummy booking, LAS-PDX-HND-PDX-LAS always comes up first. I wouldn’t be surprised to see DL add additional flights at PDX to support the HND flights- possibly SAN, SJC, SFO, PHX, ANC.

CarlosSi wrote:
Wuuut, but PDX ain’t no focus city!

*trikert*

They really should be though. Delta’s logic is absurd. I don’t mean to stir the pot here :stir:

I think this has more to do with LAS than PDX......... In the past year DL/KL have added/announced PDX, LGB, RDU, and AMS from LAS, in addition to added frequencies on other routes. Looks like they are building up LAS and serving almost every major market on the west coast: SEA, PDX, LGB, SNA, LAX, SLC, SJC, SAN, and maybe more to come...

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:48 pm
by DeltaRules
Can anyone see the equipment that's listed on DAY-IAD after EWR is dropped? That route had a Dash 8 on it at one point not too long ago, but is running with an E75 and a CRJ right now.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:10 pm
by Jet-lagged
Even though we knew it was coming and Delta’s presence in Tokyo is less than it used to be, IMHO their switching routes from NRT to HND is a big deal and rates an asterisk.

Some years back two of Narita’s old fashioned circular terminals would be surrounded by UAL and NW and then Delta planes. At one time quads and tri-jets. From the observation deck an aviation sight to behold. No Delta at Narita marks the end of an era.

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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:15 pm
by Jshank83
enilria wrote:

MAX Cuts rolled forward
WN AUS-EWR DEC 1.7>1.1[1.6]
WN BNA-EWR DEC 3>1.3[0]
WN BWI-EWR DEC 1.8>0.9[0]
WN EWR-MDW DEC 5>2[5]
WN EWR-PHX DEC 0.9>0.5[1.0]
WN EWR-STL DEC 1.8>0.9[1.9]



This has to be a misfile right?[

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:28 pm
by RWA380
ericm2031 wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
PDX-LAS on Delta. That’s pretty strange.

Non hub route. And isn’t sun country starting this?
Wonder where that came from.


SY already flies it. F9 is starting in November. Delta will be the 6th carrier (AS/DL/F9/WN/NK/SY).


DL is offering two OO operated E-175's on this route, up against mainline on every other carrier. The only market from PDX with 2 ULCC's & six carriers, very interesting & lots of O/D.

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:36 pm
by tphuang
Midwestindy wrote:

I think this has more to do with LAS than PDX......... In the past year DL/KL have added/announced PDX, LGB, RDU, and AMS from LAS, in addition to added frequencies on other routes. Looks like they are building up LAS and serving almost every major market on the west coast: SEA, PDX, LGB, SNA, LAX, SLC, SJC, SAN, and maybe more to come...


I disagree. LAS is a huge bloodbath between WN and NK going forward. I really don't see DL getting involved in that. i see this as DL is positioning itself as the legacy airline of choice in the west coast. And serving a major O&D like LAS is a great way to serve its ff.

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:56 pm
by Midwestindy
tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

I think this has more to do with LAS than PDX......... In the past year DL/KL have added/announced PDX, LGB, RDU, and AMS from LAS, in addition to added frequencies on other routes. Looks like they are building up LAS and serving almost every major market on the west coast: SEA, PDX, LGB, SNA, LAX, SLC, SJC, SAN, and maybe more to come...


I disagree. LAS is a huge bloodbath between WN and NK going forward. I really don't see DL getting involved in that. I see this as DL is positioning itself as the legacy airline of choice in the west coast. And serving a major O&D like LAS is a great way to serve its ff.


How is what I am saying different from that?

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:57 pm
by peak86
tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

I think this has more to do with LAS than PDX......... In the past year DL/KL have added/announced PDX, LGB, RDU, and AMS from LAS, in addition to added frequencies on other routes. Looks like they are building up LAS and serving almost every major market on the west coast: SEA, PDX, LGB, SNA, LAX, SLC, SJC, SAN, and maybe more to come...


I disagree. LAS is a huge bloodbath between WN and NK going forward. I really don't see DL getting involved in that. i see this as DL is positioning itself as the legacy airline of choice in the west coast. And serving a major O&D like LAS is a great way to serve its ff.


It isn't just WN/NK... it's F9, SY, of course G4, and now DL looks like they're getting wrapped up in this. Obviously there's a ton of demand to/from LAS, but it'll be interesting to see how any potential economic downturn impacts that the next time around... last time, Vegas turned into a ghost town

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:58 pm
by lavalampluva
tomaheath wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
There’s an article that references a seasonal suspension of PVD. I heard the summer flights did well and they are short on aircraft this winter so we will have to see when they extend their schedule next if things are back or not.

I thought I had read an article about how some were going well with others not so much. https://www.providencejournal.com/news/ ... Dqblllbs_M

If MSP-PVD was successful I wouldn’t be surprised if DL didn’t pick it up.

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 8:03 pm
by AVLAirlineFreq
enilria wrote:

*UA CAE-IAH OCT 0.7>0[1.0] NOV 1.0>0[1.0] DEC 0.9>0[1.0] JAN 0.9>0[1.0] FEB 0.8>0[1.0]

UA ILM-ORD JAN 1.0>0.1[1.2] FEB 0.4>0[1.0]



The CAE-IAH cut is really close in. Weird. Misfile?

And is the ILM-ORD cut permanent, or just going seasonal?

Re: OAG Changes 9/8/2019:DL Adds PDX-LAS,SEA-BZN, Shifts NRT to HND;SY Exits PVD;UA Ends CHA-IAD,EWR-DAY/YOW,EGE-IAD

Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:00 pm
by Rdh3e
Jshank83 wrote:
enilria wrote:

MAX Cuts rolled forward
WN AUS-EWR DEC 1.7>1.1[1.6]
WN BNA-EWR DEC 3>1.3[0]
WN BWI-EWR DEC 1.8>0.9[0]
WN EWR-MDW DEC 5>2[5]
WN EWR-PHX DEC 0.9>0.5[1.0]
WN EWR-STL DEC 1.8>0.9[1.9]



This has to be a misfile right?[

It appears they loaded the flights but have zero's out inventory on them. They are not selling seats. The lack of clarity and poor accuracy of their schedules makes one wonder if they had an intern doing the MAX reductions...