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Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:18 pm

So, I am currently at Montréal and just witnessed B737MAX8 C-GEJL departing as AC2352 to Val-d’Or.

Since when is the MAX8 back in the air?

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Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:21 pm

 
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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:25 pm

Must be a mistake
 
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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:28 pm

Test and maintenance flights are permitted. Planes need to fly regularly to avoid developing mechanical problems like guide settling and lines drying out.
 
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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:35 pm

It’s no mistake. Got a nice picture of it departing runway 24L.

It has been flying quite a lot the last few days. It also departed from the terminal...

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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:46 pm

Could be test flights for re-certification? Remember the Canadian authorities said they will do their own certification this time instead of just relying on FAA, so there should be some flights. Departing from the terminal may be because it needs to take the people from the aviation authorities on board?
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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:48 pm

Transport Canada is nowhere near lifting the grounding and no date or timeline has been set. There's been 2 MAX's sitting beside the AC hanger here at YVR for months. Ferry flight are likely permitted too as they are in the US.
 
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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:52 pm

TC are permitting test flights so that AC’s idle MAX pilots can remain current. Unlike WS and WG pilots who just keep on flying NGs.
 
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Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:54 pm

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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 2:58 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
TC are permitting test flights so that AC’s idle MAX pilots can remain current. Unlike WS and WG pilots who just keep on flying NGs.

All 737 pilots at AC do one simulator session a month to maintain currency. Presently, AC is the only North American airline with Max simulators.

While “movement” flights can be performed by management and project pilots, I am not aware of any “training” flights being flown by line pilots. (Competency falls under training).
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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:01 pm

Transport Canada statement: "These flights are authorized by Transport Canada and we are sometimes on-board. These flights are required to maintain the validity of a handful of ACP AC Check Pilot (Minister Delegates) when the Max is re-authorized for passenger transportation. Since AC pilots do not fly the NG like at Sunwing or WestJet, they are at a dead end because we are approaching 6 months since commercial flights stopped. So we authorized these flights to maintain a minimum number of Minister’s Delegate Pilot (PVA) for return to service.”

via https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=8890 ... R6NZD_aV08
 
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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:12 pm

upintheair2018 wrote:
Transport Canada statement: "These flights are authorized by Transport Canada and we are sometimes on-board. These flights are required to maintain the validity of a handful of ACP AC Check Pilot (Minister Delegates) when the Max is re-authorized for passenger transportation. Since AC pilots do not fly the NG like at Sunwing or WestJet, they are at a dead end because we are approaching 6 months since commercial flights stopped. So we authorized these flights to maintain a minimum number of Minister’s Delegate Pilot (PVA) for return to service.”

via https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=8890 ... R6NZD_aV08


Thank you as that is the article I read. So not all MAX pilots but AC’s MAX check pilots.
 
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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:19 pm

Wait, so what are Air Canada's MAX pilots currently doing on a day-to-day basis?
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Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

Sun Sep 08, 2019 3:24 pm

    JamesCousins wrote:
    Wait, so what are Air Canada's MAX pilots currently doing on a day-to-day basis?


    Enjoy their time off.
     
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:27 pm

    JamesCousins wrote:
    Wait, so what are Air Canada's MAX pilots currently doing on a day-to-day basis?

    Back on their previous types. A typerating is generally valid for two years after flying the actual plane, quick refresher in the sim and they’re back on the A320 or whatever.
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:26 pm

    JamesCousins wrote:
    Wait, so what are Air Canada's MAX pilots currently doing on a day-to-day basis?


    The new hires who got the Max before it was grounded are off with pay right now. Unfortunately they aren’t getting all of their monthly credit. A couple friends of mine in this situation have had to pick up other part time work to top up their pay.
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:34 pm

    cedarjet wrote:
    JamesCousins wrote:
    Wait, so what are Air Canada's MAX pilots currently doing on a day-to-day basis?

    Back on their previous types. A typerating is generally valid for two years after flying the actual plane, quick refresher in the sim and they’re back on the A320 or whatever.

    One year at AC.

    About a dozen went back to previous equipment (with bonus pay). The rest are being paid while they wait the outcome of the grounding. Other than the one sim session a month they are enjoying something they won’t see again until they retire ...... the summer off.
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:51 pm

    08 Sep 2019 North Bay (YYB) Montreal (YUL) AC2355 0:50 12:00 12:25 12:54
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    Quite a few flights for C-GEJL. Much more than you would expect for a grounded aircraft type, even if they do a few testflights it them.
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:09 pm

    It's most likely for flight testing. UA just moved all their MAX9's from LAX,and DAL to AZ for storage
     
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:13 pm

    xxcr wrote:
    It's most likely for flight testing. UA just moved all their MAX9's from LAX,and DAL to AZ for storage


    like someone else said, TC are permitting test flights so that AC’s idle MAX pilots can remain current. Unlike WS and WG pilots who just keep on flying NGs.

    The three-day flight maintained the validity of 3 pilots per day as there are 6 segments per day and the segments only count as pilot-in-command (PF).
     
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:43 pm

    upintheair2018 wrote:
    Transport Canada statement: "These flights are authorized by Transport Canada and we are sometimes on-board. These flights are required to maintain the validity of a handful of ACP AC Check Pilot (Minister Delegates) when the Max is re-authorized for passenger transportation. Since AC pilots do not fly the NG like at Sunwing or WestJet, they are at a dead end because we are approaching 6 months since commercial flights stopped. So we authorized these flights to maintain a minimum number of Minister’s Delegate Pilot (PVA) for return to service.”

    via https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=8890 ... R6NZD_aV08


    Grand title: Minister´s Delegate...

    Some of my MAX colleagues were going nuts with months at home. House repainted, inside and out, new flooring, new bathrooms, mow the lawn daily... in some cases divorce was imminent when they requalified on their old type, who can handle a non working pilot around the house for months?
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:44 pm

    queb wrote:
    xxcr wrote:
    It's most likely for flight testing. UA just moved all their MAX9's from LAX,and DAL to AZ for storage


    like someone else said, TC are permitting test flights so that AC’s idle MAX pilots can remain current. Unlike WS and WG pilots who just keep on flying NGs.

    The three-day flight maintained the validity of 3 pilots per day as there are 6 segments per day and the segments only count as pilot-in-command (PF).


    NOT the idle 737 pilots. They are maintaining their currency in the simulator.

    This is to maintain the currency of the Air Canada 737 Check Captains and Managers as well as Transport Canada Air Carrier inspectors rated on the 737 MAX. There is no "training" going on in the 737 right now. In fact, the way the grounding is written, I am not so sure it would even be allowed.
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:20 pm

    Take out A220 options (and perhaps talk Airbus into becoming the launch customer for the A220-500), and order A321LRs to supplement the current A321CEOs, finagle the orders for the same total capacity as the current as the MAX order would have given. Send those MAXs back to Boeing, cancel the rest of the order, and ask them to give AC their money back, and while they're at it, sue Boing for compensation in the form of a few more B787s for FREE (even though I'd prefer to see A330NEOs or A350s).

    Boeing richly deserves it. A black eye from a respected large international carrier.

    Well a guy can dream no? I for one will avoid the MAX if ever the grounding is lifted. I've lost almost all respect for Boeing, between this and trying to slap punitive duties on the C-series in favour of this dog.

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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:38 pm

    beechnut wrote:
    Take out A220 options (and perhaps talk Airbus into becoming the launch customer for the A220-500), and order A321LRs to supplement the current A321CEOs, finagle the orders for the same total capacity as the current as the MAX order would have given. Send those MAXs back to Boeing, cancel the rest of the order, and ask them to give AC their money back, and while they're at it, sue Boing for compensation in the form of a few more B787s for FREE (even though I'd prefer to see A330NEOs or A350s).

    Boeing richly deserves it. A black eye from a respected large international carrier.

    Well a guy can dream no? I for one will avoid the MAX if ever the grounding is lifted. I've lost almost all respect for Boeing, between this and trying to slap punitive duties on the C-series in favour of this dog.

    Beech


    While were at it, they should order a380s too!!

    Has the same level of logic and common sense as your post.
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    Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:58 pm

    AC has had a MAX intermittently parked near their widebody hanger in Montreal for a couple of weeks now. I was told it was being used for pilot training.

    upintheair2018 wrote:
    Transport Canada statement: "These flights are authorized by Transport Canada and we are sometimes on-board. These flights are required to maintain the validity of a handful of ACP AC Check Pilot (Minister Delegates) when the Max is re-authorized for passenger transportation. Since AC pilots do not fly the NG like at Sunwing or WestJet, they are at a dead end because we are approaching 6 months since commercial flights stopped. So we authorized these flights to maintain a minimum number of Minister’s Delegate Pilot (PVA) for return to service.”

    via https://www.wingsoverquebec.com/?p=8890 ... R6NZD_aV08


    Thank you for the quote! Sounds like it is for a select few with specific requirements, not every pilot.
     
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:44 pm

    longhauler wrote:
    queb wrote:
    xxcr wrote:
    It's most likely for flight testing. UA just moved all their MAX9's from LAX,and DAL to AZ for storage


    like someone else said, TC are permitting test flights so that AC’s idle MAX pilots can remain current. Unlike WS and WG pilots who just keep on flying NGs.

    The three-day flight maintained the validity of 3 pilots per day as there are 6 segments per day and the segments only count as pilot-in-command (PF).


    NOT the idle 737 pilots. They are maintaining their currency in the simulator.

    This is to maintain the currency of the Air Canada 737 Check Captains and Managers as well as Transport Canada Air Carrier inspectors rated on the 737 MAX. There is no "training" going on in the 737 right now. In fact, the way the grounding is written, I am not so sure it would even be allowed.


    Interesting. Can you share some more info on this? What specifically are the above doing on these flights and why can't check captains use a simulator?
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:51 pm

    beechnut wrote:
    Take out A220 options (and perhaps talk Airbus into becoming the launch customer for the A220-500), and order A321LRs to supplement the current A321CEOs, finagle the orders for the same total capacity as the current as the MAX order would have given. Send those MAXs back to Boeing, cancel the rest of the order, and ask them to give AC their money back, and while they're at it, sue Boing for compensation in the form of a few more B787s for FREE (even though I'd prefer to see A330NEOs or A350s).

    Boeing richly deserves it. A black eye from a respected large international carrier.

    Well a guy can dream no? I for one will avoid the MAX if ever the grounding is lifted. I've lost almost all respect for Boeing, between this and trying to slap punitive duties on the C-series in favour of this dog.

    Beech


    I agree with some of this... I personally avoided the Max because it just sucks as a plane to fly/ride on... it’s like visiting the pre-historic era...

    Unfortunately in reality, they’re too far down the road and committed with a the max now. Those people who said AC dodged a bullet ordering the max vs NEO are probably reconsidering saying that now... problematic engines would be far better.

    Point with the topic, too bad the pilots who aren’t flying aren’t getting paid fully when Boeing should be on the hook for it.
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:00 am

    Gosh, any thread about the MAX or Boeing just turns into straight bashing on this forum and is never on topic, really sad to see.
     
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:11 am

    beechnut wrote:
    Take out A220 options (and perhaps talk Airbus into becoming the launch customer for the A220-500), and order A321LRs to supplement the current A321CEOs...


    Great plan. It looks like Airbus isn't even going to average 3 1/2 A220s a month this year (against Boeing's previously planned rate of 47 MAXs going to 52), and Airbus is falling behind in 32XNeo deliveries, too. Your plan would just shut down AC. There is nothing available in quantity to replace MAX orders, and there couldn't be within five years, either. What AC is doing is prudent.
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    Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:12 am

    Let’s stop bashing one another and post like grown adults or this thread will be locked. Thank you
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    Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:37 am

    CFM565A1 wrote:
    beechnut wrote:
    Take out A220 options (and perhaps talk Airbus into becoming the launch customer for the A220-500), and order A321LRs to supplement the current A321CEOs, finagle the orders for the same total capacity as the current as the MAX order would have given. Send those MAXs back to Boeing, cancel the rest of the order, and ask them to give AC their money back, and while they're at it, sue Boing for compensation in the form of a few more B787s for FREE (even though I'd prefer to see A330NEOs or A350s).

    Boeing richly deserves it. A black eye from a respected large international carrier.

    Well a guy can dream no? I for one will avoid the MAX if ever the grounding is lifted. I've lost almost all respect for Boeing, between this and trying to slap punitive duties on the C-series in favour of this dog.

    Beech


    I agree with some of this... I personally avoided the Max because it just sucks as a plane to fly/ride on... it’s like visiting the pre-historic era...

    Unfortunately in reality, they’re too far down the road and committed with a the max now. Those people who said AC dodged a bullet ordering the max vs NEO are probably reconsidering saying that now... problematic engines would be far better.

    Point with the topic, too bad the pilots who aren’t flying aren’t getting paid fully when Boeing should be on the hook for it.



    Actually, no they don't suck to fly on...at least judging from my experience on a UA MAX 9. It was (surprisingly) quite a good, comfortable ride...in E+ of course.
     
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:41 am

    caljn wrote:
    CFM565A1 wrote:
    beechnut wrote:
    Take out A220 options (and perhaps talk Airbus into becoming the launch customer for the A220-500), and order A321LRs to supplement the current A321CEOs, finagle the orders for the same total capacity as the current as the MAX order would have given. Send those MAXs back to Boeing, cancel the rest of the order, and ask them to give AC their money back, and while they're at it, sue Boing for compensation in the form of a few more B787s for FREE (even though I'd prefer to see A330NEOs or A350s).

    Boeing richly deserves it. A black eye from a respected large international carrier.

    Well a guy can dream no? I for one will avoid the MAX if ever the grounding is lifted. I've lost almost all respect for Boeing, between this and trying to slap punitive duties on the C-series in favour of this dog.

    Beech


    I agree with some of this... I personally avoided the Max because it just sucks as a plane to fly/ride on... it’s like visiting the pre-historic era...

    Unfortunately in reality, they’re too far down the road and committed with a the max now. Those people who said AC dodged a bullet ordering the max vs NEO are probably reconsidering saying that now... problematic engines would be far better.

    Point with the topic, too bad the pilots who aren’t flying aren’t getting paid fully when Boeing should be on the hook for it.



    Actually, no they don't suck to fly on...at least judging from my experience on a UA MAX 9. It was (surprisingly) quite a good, comfortable ride...in E+ of course.


    Flown on dozens of them before they were grounded, not a nice experience... the airport departure lounge was more comfortable... That's my opinion as someone who's on the AC employee travel list and compares them to the comfort of the other planes (minus Rouge). I think any new AC these days (220 included) are not as comfortable because of these seats.
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:46 am

    I landed in YYB (North Bay) after an Air Canada 737MAX last week. They're flying, but obviously without passengers.
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:48 am

    CFM565A1 wrote:
    caljn wrote:
    CFM565A1 wrote:

    I agree with some of this... I personally avoided the Max because it just sucks as a plane to fly/ride on... it’s like visiting the pre-historic era...

    Unfortunately in reality, they’re too far down the road and committed with a the max now. Those people who said AC dodged a bullet ordering the max vs NEO are probably reconsidering saying that now... problematic engines would be far better.

    Point with the topic, too bad the pilots who aren’t flying aren’t getting paid fully when Boeing should be on the hook for it.



    Actually, no they don't suck to fly on...at least judging from my experience on a UA MAX 9. It was (surprisingly) quite a good, comfortable ride...in E+ of course.


    Flown on dozens of them before they were grounded, not a nice experience... the airport departure lounge was more comfortable... That's my opinion as someone who's on the AC employee travel list and compares them to the comfort of the other planes (minus Rouge). I think any new AC these days (220 included) are not as comfortable because of these seats.


    In my opinion the Max-9 at United is more comfortable than the NG at United.
     
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    Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:53 am

    I think it's the only way to make sure it can be safely piloted is to keep flying it and testing it. Kudos to Transport Canada for taking a reasonable approach.
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:57 am

    CFM565A1 wrote:
    beechnut wrote:
    Take out A220 options (and perhaps talk Airbus into becoming the launch customer for the A220-500), and order A321LRs to supplement the current A321CEOs, finagle the orders for the same total capacity as the current as the MAX order would have given. Send those MAXs back to Boeing, cancel the rest of the order, and ask them to give AC their money back, and while they're at it, sue Boing for compensation in the form of a few more B787s for FREE (even though I'd prefer to see A330NEOs or A350s).

    Boeing richly deserves it. A black eye from a respected large international carrier.

    Well a guy can dream no? I for one will avoid the MAX if ever the grounding is lifted. I've lost almost all respect for Boeing, between this and trying to slap punitive duties on the C-series in favour of this dog.

    Beech


    I agree with some of this... I personally avoided the Max because it just sucks as a plane to fly/ride on... it’s like visiting the pre-historic era...

    Unfortunately in reality, they’re too far down the road and committed with a the max now. Those people who said AC dodged a bullet ordering the max vs NEO are probably reconsidering saying that now... problematic engines would be far better.

    Point with the topic, too bad the pilots who aren’t flying aren’t getting paid fully when Boeing should be on the hook for it.


    Curious, what is looks like or feels like it is prehistoric when flying on a 737MAX? Or is that you saying the base 737 model is old?
     
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:09 am

    MIflyer12 wrote:
    beechnut wrote:
    TYour plan would just shut down AC.


    Only if the current fleet starts falling out of the sky, though some A320s are probably approaching end of life. It wouldn't shut down AC, but it would certainly limit growth. Or then can scour the used market like they do for the A330.

    But I did say "a guy can dream, no?"... meaning it would be nice to see, though highly unlikely.

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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:32 am

    airzona11 wrote:
    CFM565A1 wrote:
    beechnut wrote:
    Take out A220 options (and perhaps talk Airbus into becoming the launch customer for the A220-500), and order A321LRs to supplement the current A321CEOs, finagle the orders for the same total capacity as the current as the MAX order would have given. Send those MAXs back to Boeing, cancel the rest of the order, and ask them to give AC their money back, and while they're at it, sue Boing for compensation in the form of a few more B787s for FREE (even though I'd prefer to see A330NEOs or A350s).

    Boeing richly deserves it. A black eye from a respected large international carrier.

    Well a guy can dream no? I for one will avoid the MAX if ever the grounding is lifted. I've lost almost all respect for Boeing, between this and trying to slap punitive duties on the C-series in favour of this dog.

    Beech


    I agree with some of this... I personally avoided the Max because it just sucks as a plane to fly/ride on... it’s like visiting the pre-historic era...

    Unfortunately in reality, they’re too far down the road and committed with a the max now. Those people who said AC dodged a bullet ordering the max vs NEO are probably reconsidering saying that now... problematic engines would be far better.

    Point with the topic, too bad the pilots who aren’t flying aren’t getting paid fully when Boeing should be on the hook for it.


    Curious, what is looks like or feels like it is prehistoric when flying on a 737MAX? Or is that you saying the base 737 model is old?


    I get jumpseat authorization, so it's the sad cockpit really... but it's off topic to continue about this.
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:32 am

    CriticalPoint wrote:
    CFM565A1 wrote:
    caljn wrote:


    Actually, no they don't suck to fly on...at least judging from my experience on a UA MAX 9. It was (surprisingly) quite a good, comfortable ride...in E+ of course.


    Flown on dozens of them before they were grounded, not a nice experience... the airport departure lounge was more comfortable... That's my opinion as someone who's on the AC employee travel list and compares them to the comfort of the other planes (minus Rouge). I think any new AC these days (220 included) are not as comfortable because of these seats.


    In my opinion the Max-9 at United is more comfortable than the NG at United.


    I would defer to you on that, I'm comparing AC 737 vs AC 320 fleet or E190.
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:55 am

    xxcr wrote:
    It's most likely for flight testing. UA just moved all their MAX9's from LAX,and DAL to AZ for storage


    Which airport(s) in Arizona, if you don't mind me asking?

    ikolkyo wrote:
    Gosh, any thread about the MAX or Boeing just turns into straight bashing on this forum and is never on topic, really sad to see.

    That will happen when an aircraft is unsafe enough to be grounded for months and months, causing massive financial and operational pressure on the airlines who bought them.
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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:19 am

    zkojq wrote:
    xxcr wrote:
    It's most likely for flight testing. UA just moved all their MAX9's from LAX,and DAL to AZ for storage


    Which airport(s) in Arizona, if you don't mind me asking?


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    Re: Air Canada flying with the B737MAX8 again

    Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:35 am

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