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Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:45 am

Lads, I don't trust Wikipedia at all but what are your thoughts on this?

United Express Washington–Dulles (begins May 16, 2020)

No source or anything but I mean if anyone has any thoughts please share

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytona_B ... al_Airport
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:33 am

I put out feelers in a couple other threads. There's also a reference to Daytona on the IAD Wikipedia page.

This would be the first time since 2008ish that the airline operated into DAB (back then, it was daily IAD, with weekend ORD). Back then, the airport gave FL incentives to start BWI which UA didn't get for IAD, causing them to promptly say "thank you, goodbye".
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:53 am

Excellent news if true. I remember the Continental 737-500s to EWR a while back.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:59 am

The Wiki really isn't the best source. Anyone can edit it.

Checking United.com, I'm not seeing any available flights from IAD to DAB on May 16, 2020 and beyond.

Nothing in the OAG thread or any news releases.

There's no source for it on the Wiki page either.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:46 am

Ishrion wrote:
The Wiki really isn't the best source. Anyone can edit it.

Checking United.com, I'm not seeing any available flights from IAD to DAB on May 16, 2020 and beyond.

Nothing in the OAG thread or any news releases.

There's no source for it on the Wiki page either.


I guess it's plausible given May 16th is a Saturday. Weekend-only service?
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:06 am

And someone has deleted United from the DAB Wiki page.

Just like the time someone added Mumbai on AA at DFW and Southwest at DFW.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:16 am

I remember DAB's link to IAD was on Presidential 146's.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:31 am

Some young people are making fun of them to post without source or making it up news. I don't like this happens in Wikipedia.

Q
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:23 am

Anything is possible, we have seen crazier stuff come true in the past.
The “just in” YX IAD expansion at Mesa’s expense would add some credence to it.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:59 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
I remember DAB's link to IAD was on Presidential 146's.


It ended up on the 146's towards the latter part of XV's existence, but XV flew it on the 737-200 previous to that - sometimes with a stop in MLB.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:59 am

If UA were to serve DAB again, I doubt it would be IAD. It would probably either be EWR (like CO did before the merger), ORD, or IAH.
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:06 am

Ishrion wrote:
The Wiki really isn't the best source. Anyone can edit it.

Checking United.com, I'm not seeing any available flights from IAD to DAB on May 16, 2020 and beyond.

Nothing in the OAG thread or any news releases.

There's no source for it on the Wiki page either.


There was another thread started with only a Wiki link as substantiation, it ended & was locked. I need to point out that almost a third of what is on Wkipedia is ONE GUY. His name is Steven Pruitt & has multiple articles written about him. Here is his Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pruitt

I think the mods informely decided that using Wikipedia as a source for threads was not allowed, as it is conjecture & hearsay. More importantly a third of it, is only one mans interpretation of it all. I have seen him speak on TV, he comes across as intelligent & in the realm of sanity.

He seems a lonely man, with little time for much else than his addiction to edit Wikipedia. It appears to be his gift to mankind & seems like he strives to be correct & honest, but even he admits in the end, it is his interpretation of what he remembers or hears.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-the-m ... wikipedia/ - CBS News story on him

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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:12 am

I have added "Rumour" to the title umtil we have a second independent source to confirm the news.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:23 am

Super80Fan wrote:
If UA were to serve DAB again, I doubt it would be IAD. It would probably either be EWR (like CO did before the merger), ORD, or IAH.

what makes you say that? It's no secret and Hasn't been for quite a while the UA is close to if not already Maxed out at EWR and has moved some services to IAD.
(especially now that the former CO group is no longer running things) It will continue to GET interesting If they find a way back into JFK.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:37 am

RWA380 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
The Wiki really isn't the best source. Anyone can edit it.

Checking United.com, I'm not seeing any available flights from IAD to DAB on May 16, 2020 and beyond.

Nothing in the OAG thread or any news releases.

There's no source for it on the Wiki page either.


There was another thread started with only a Wiki link as substantiation, it ended & was locked. I need to point out that almost a third of what is on Wkipedia is ONE GUY. His name is Steven Pruitt & has multiple articles written about him. Here is his Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pruitt

I think the mods informely decided that using Wikipedia as a source for threads was not allowed, as it is conjecture & hearsay. More importantly a third of it, is only one mans interpretation of it all. I have seen him speak on TV, he comes across as intelligent & in the realm of sanity.

He seems a lonely man, with little time for much else than his addiction to edit Wikipedia. It appears to be his gift to mankind & seems like he strives to be correct & honest, but even he admits in the end, it is his interpretation of what he remembers or hears.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/meet-the-m ... wikipedia/ - CBS News story on him

I like Wikipedia, it's fun, I have laughed at a few gaffes & hoped what I learned was correct. I would never rely on it for anything real, like a court case or a job interview ... But it's often a good start.


Wiki's actually a solid source despite what my school teachers have said. Probably not for high-level things though.

If you look carefully at any airport's Wiki page, every route that will be added or cut has a note next to the start/end date. If you click on that note, it will take you to a valid source where the information was found.

Both IAD and DAB's airport pages did not have a note next to each respective launch date. It was obviously fake.

And... I sincerely doubt that guy is watching this thread and quickly edited the IAD/DAB Wiki pages after this thread was created.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:51 am

strfyr51 wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
If UA were to serve DAB again, I doubt it would be IAD. It would probably either be EWR (like CO did before the merger), ORD, or IAH.

what makes you say that? It's no secret and Hasn't been for quite a while the UA is close to if not already Maxed out at EWR and has moved some services to IAD.
(especially now that the former CO group is no longer running things) It will continue to GET interesting If they find a way back into JFK.


IAD is not a large market for DAB. There would be better connecting options/market at IAH or ORD if EWR couldn't work out.
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:18 pm

Super80Fan wrote:
IAD is not a large market for DAB. There would be better connecting options/market at IAH or ORD if EWR couldn't work out.


You could say the say thing about a lot of destinations EWR vs. IAD but it's a fact that several destinations have been moved from EWR entirely to IAD to free up space for more lucrative flights from Newark. It's been discussed here extensively.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:29 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
IAD is not a large market for DAB. There would be better connecting options/market at IAH or ORD if EWR couldn't work out.


You could say the say thing about a lot of destinations EWR vs. IAD but it's a fact that several destinations have been moved from EWR entirely to IAD to free up space for more lucrative flights from Newark. It's been discussed here extensively.


EWR's role in the network is transitioning to NJ/NYC O&D and international connections (D>I, I>D). Domestic traffic flows have been reoriented to IAD where lower operating costs make those flights more profitable, freeing up gates for local and international transit traffic. So, if UA were to return to DAB from EWR, it would likely be (initially) a winter-seasonal add to capture peak local traffic. IAD service, launching in May, would be a bit of a head-scratcher, to me.
 
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Re: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:03 pm

With regard to the timing, it's worth pointing out AA started their weekend LGA-DAB service last May and it appears it's going year-round, albeit Saturday-only now. YV was also the regional which operated IAD-DAB last time.

MIflyer12 wrote:
Super80Fan wrote:
IAD is not a large market for DAB. There would be better connecting options/market at IAH or ORD if EWR couldn't work out.


You could say the say thing about a lot of destinations EWR vs. IAD but it's a fact that several destinations have been moved from EWR entirely to IAD to free up space for more lucrative flights from Newark. It's been discussed here extensively.


This is happening at DAY in April; DAY-EWR is being dropped, with DAY-IAD getting a third flight in its place.
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:19 pm

The edit was added by an IP Address in Northern California that also added LGA-MDT on DL and TRI-IAH on UA. Both reasonable adds, but zero sources. The chance that a user would also have insider knowledge about two airlines from 3 different hubs to 3 different outstations is also pretty much zilch.

DAB-IAD was reverted by an IP address near Daytona.

I have reverted the other two.
 
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:28 pm

Someone also added CLT-Decatur,IL and Owensboro,KY on PSA dba as American Eagle within the past 24 hours.
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:30 pm

USAirALB wrote:
Someone also added CLT-Decatur,IL and Owensboro,KY on PSA dba as American Eagle within the past 24 hours.


Same person
 
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:52 pm

Poor DAB gets no respect, I tell ya! They are down to just two scheduled airlines at present - Delta (mainline) & American Eagle (PSA & Republic).

If you want an MD88 ride before they head for retirement, book yourself an ATL-DAB Delta flight as soon as possible since the old bird is a frequent visitor to DAB. There is also a daily MD90 used on ATL-DAB, which is another plane headed for the desert soon. During Speedweeks, Delta temporarily runs a B752 in place of the MD90. So much for the mainline service...

As for American Eagle, PSA runs CRJ9's a few times a day to American's CLT hub and Republic has weekend E175 flights to/from LGA.

For folks in DAB's catchment area: If they want to fly cheap, they drive 20-30 minutes to SFB where Allegiant has a focus city operation. If they want international service or more mainline options, then MCO is roughly an hour's drive. The DAB Airport Authority keeps offering incentives for new airline service, but has had no takers since JetBlue pulled out last year.
 
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:00 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
Poor DAB gets no respect, I tell ya! They are down to just two scheduled airlines at present - Delta (mainline) & American Eagle (PSA & Republic).

If you want an MD88 ride before they head for retirement, book yourself an ATL-DAB Delta flight as soon as possible since the old bird is a frequent visitor to DAB. There is also a daily MD90 used on ATL-DAB, which is another plane headed for the desert soon. During Speedweeks, Delta temporarily runs a B752 in place of the MD90. So much for the mainline service...

As for American Eagle, PSA runs CRJ9's a few times a day to American's CLT hub and Republic has weekend E175 flights to/from LGA.

For folks in DAB's catchment area: If they want to fly cheap, they drive 20-30 minutes to SFB where Allegiant has a focus city operation. If they want international service or more mainline options, then MCO is roughly an hour's drive. The DAB Airport Authority keeps offering incentives for new airline service, but has had no takers since JetBlue pulled out last year.


Doesn’t Sunwing still fly to YYZ?
 
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:26 pm

Ishrion wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
Poor DAB gets no respect, I tell ya! They are down to just two scheduled airlines at present - Delta (mainline) & American Eagle (PSA & Republic).

If you want an MD88 ride before they head for retirement, book yourself an ATL-DAB Delta flight as soon as possible since the old bird is a frequent visitor to DAB. There is also a daily MD90 used on ATL-DAB, which is another plane headed for the desert soon. During Speedweeks, Delta temporarily runs a B752 in place of the MD90. So much for the mainline service...

As for American Eagle, PSA runs CRJ9's a few times a day to American's CLT hub and Republic has weekend E175 flights to/from LGA.

For folks in DAB's catchment area: If they want to fly cheap, they drive 20-30 minutes to SFB where Allegiant has a focus city operation. If they want international service or more mainline options, then MCO is roughly an hour's drive. The DAB Airport Authority keeps offering incentives for new airline service, but has had no takers since JetBlue pulled out last year.


Doesn’t Sunwing still fly to YYZ?


Sunwing had once-weekly, seasonal service between YYZ & DAB during the Winter & Spring. However, this was more like a scheduled charter than year-round scheduled service. Sunwing received incentives for this flight, but I'm not sure if it will continue during the upcoming season.
 
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 8:35 pm

I would love to see United or United Express come to Orlando-Melbourne.
 
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:44 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
As for American Eagle, PSA runs CRJ9's a few times a day to American's CLT hub and Republic has weekend E175 flights to/from LGA.


AA will increase CLT for Jan, Feb, May, June from last year
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:56 pm

I wish someone would fly from DFW or IAH to DAB even if Saturday only service....the fares are high and AA is adding a 5th flight to CLT.....If I find a descent fare I go into DAB, if not use MCO and rent a car.
 
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:10 pm

Super88 wrote:
I wish someone would fly from DFW or IAH to DAB even if Saturday only service....the fares are high and AA is adding a 5th flight to CLT.....If I find a descent fare I go into DAB, if not use MCO and rent a car.


Same, I’ve always wanted to go to Embry-Riddle for a college visit. A direct DFW-DAB flight would be much better than connecting through ATL/CLT/LGA or driving from MCO.

Truthfully, I wouldn’t be too surprised to see it eventually. AA has seriously been ramping up Florida service in recent years with the addition of Panama City (ECP I think?) and adding a massive amount of capacity on DFW-EYW.
 
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:13 am

Ishrion wrote:
Super88 wrote:
I wish someone would fly from DFW or IAH to DAB even if Saturday only service....the fares are high and AA is adding a 5th flight to CLT.....If I find a descent fare I go into DAB, if not use MCO and rent a car.


Same, I’ve always wanted to go to Embry-Riddle for a college visit. A direct DFW-DAB flight would be much better than connecting through ATL/CLT/LGA or driving from MCO.

Truthfully, I wouldn’t be too surprised to see it eventually. AA has seriously been ramping up Florida service in recent years with the addition of Panama City (ECP I think?) and adding a massive amount of capacity on DFW-EYW.


Envoy flies an E135 for American Eagle once-daily from GNV to DFW (2 1/2 hours - must be cozy!). Maybe there is hope that they could do the same for DAB in the future? You'd also think that they might have Envoy fly a connecting leg between DAB & MIA, which is one of AA's major international hubs?
 
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:22 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
Envoy flies an E135 for American Eagle once-daily from GNV to DFW (2 1/2 hours - must be cozy!)

Actually...it's twice daily
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Re: Rumour: United to start service to Daytona Beach (DAB)?

Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:29 am

COEWR787 wrote:
I would love to see United or United Express come to Orlando-Melbourne.

United already flies to Orlando. ;)

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