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United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:23 am

I remember watching a documentary on UA
many years ago when it was basically a domestic carrier with a few routes to Canada and Mexico


One of their claims in that era however was that they flew to all 50 states


Is that true anymore, If not how long has it been since they could claim that ?


Incidentally that documentary was made prior to the Pan Am Pacific route acquisition, they did have a substantial domestic operation though and the narrator observed they seemed to be a ‘sleeping giant’



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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:25 am

Delaware has no airports with scheduled commercial air service. At least last time I checked.

United pulled out of Wilmington in 1991. Frontier was the most recent airline there.
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:29 am

I remember this...kind of a publicity thing. Hard to find some states that could justify mainline service at that time...Delaware come to mind....Mid 70's I believe.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:32 am

It was in the 80s. I have the timetable with the cover reading "First to fly to all 50 states", but I don't have access to it at the moment so can't check the date. And yes, the did fly to DE, with Wilmington service (to ORD if I recall).
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:33 am

ordpark wrote:
I remember this...kind of a publicity thing. Hard to find some states that could justify mainline service at that time...Delaware come to mind....Mid 70's I believe.


I think it was more like early-mid 80s that they did their 50 state stunt.

Remember that for a long time UA was only a domestic carrier, except for ORD-YYZ and SEA-YVR.

CUN was the first new international route after
deregulation, IIRC.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:39 am

Link to another a.net thread on it from 15 years ago. Has an article from 1984 on it.

viewtopic.php?t=285295

This is off United’s website.

1980s
All 50 states

In 1984 United became the first airline to fly to all 50 U.S. states with the addition of new routes from Wyoming and Mississippi.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:18 am

I remember it well. Around 1985. They had just started service to Wilmington Delaware as well as, I believe Cheyenne or Casper Wyoming.

They had a promotion if you could fly into or out of each state within a certain time period you would get something like free tickets for a year. If you flew in first class, you get first class tickets for whatever i if you flew in first class, you would get first class tickets as the prize.

I was 14 tears old. I remember pouring over the timetable to chart out a theoretical way to win.

Edited to add… Here is a link with an article about the promotion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 060fa8130/
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:24 am

Does anyone know their current state count? If Delaware has no airport with scheduled service, maybe excluding that say, 49 states then?
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:44 am

airboss787 wrote:
Does anyone know their current state count? If Delaware has no airport with scheduled service, maybe excluding that say, 49 states then?


United has a United Express from Yeager Airport in West Virgina (roughly 600 boarding and 600 deplanements per day for entire airport), so my guess is United has all 49 states covered. But I would think the same could be said for Delta and American.

0.04% WV
0.07% WY
0.07% VT
0.10% SD
0.11% MS
0.11% KS
0.11% NH
0.12% ND
0.16% ME
0.22% AR
0.23% IA
0.24% RI
0.25% MT
0.26% ID
0.29% AL
0.30% NE
0.32% NM
0.37% CT
0.41% OK
0.55% AK
0.59% SC
0.61% WI
0.63% IN
0.77% KY
0.88% LA
1.15% OH
1.27% OR
1.33% TN
1.40% UT
1.51% MD
1.58% MO
1.95% HI
2.11% MN
2.28% MA
2.28% MI
2.43% PA
2.67% NJ
2.76% AZ
2.90% NV
3.03% WA
3.13% VA
3.51% NC
3.75% CO
5.83% IL
6.03% GA
6.12% NY
9.68% TX
10.23% FL
13.25% CA

Southwest airlines flies to 42 states and Puerto Rico. They do not fly to the following states.
Delaware
Alaska
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
West Virginia
Wyoming
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:09 am

airboss787 wrote:
Does anyone know their current state count? If Delaware has no airport with scheduled service, maybe excluding that say, 49 states then?


IIRC it was 50 states with mainline service. Including regional partners all three majors fly to 49 states, but I have no idea how they stack up in terms of mainline service. I'd assume that Delta would have the most states with mainline service today, but would be interested if anyone wanted to do a comparison.
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:36 am

Max Q wrote:
I remember watching a documentary on UA
many years ago when it was basically a domestic carrier with a few routes to Canada and Mexico


One of their claims in that era however was that they flew to all 50 states


Is that true anymore, If not how long has it been since they could claim that ?


Incidentally that documentary was made prior to the Pan Am Pacific route acquisition, they did have a substantial domestic operation though and the narrator observed they seemed to be a ‘sleeping giant’



He had no idea how right he was

I think we lost that distinction 1989, With the loss of ILM and RAP.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:44 am

OP can have his fun with AA/DL/UA route maps if he wants a current count.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:37 pm

PacoMartin wrote:
airboss787 wrote:
Southwest airlines flies to 42 states and Puerto Rico. They do not fly to the following states.
Delaware
Alaska
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
West Virginia
Wyoming


No WN service to Vermont either and New Jersey will be going on the list when EWR closes.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:10 pm

PacoMartin wrote:

Southwest airlines flies to 42 states and Puerto Rico. They do not fly to the following states.
Delaware
Alaska
Mississippi
Montana
North Dakota
South Dakota
West Virginia
Wyoming

Add Vermont to that list...
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:18 pm

UA is also the only one of the US3 to serve GUM and SPN - so they go to all territories except American Samoa!
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:18 pm

I pulled the data just for fun. All of the big three fly to 49 states (all but Delaware) when you include regional ops (as stated previously). When looking at just mainline you get the following:

AA - 46 states (missing Mississippi, South Dakota, and West Virginia)
DL - 49 states
UA - 44 states (missing Arkansas, Mississippi, North Dakota, New Hampshire, West Virginia)
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:25 pm

Max Q wrote:
I remember watching a documentary on UA
many years ago when it was basically a domestic carrier with a few routes to Canada and Mexico


One of their claims in that era however was that they flew to all 50 states


Is that true anymore, If not how long has it been since they could claim that ?


Incidentally that documentary was made prior to the Pan Am Pacific route acquisition, they did have a substantial domestic operation though and the narrator observed they seemed to be a ‘sleeping giant’



He had no idea how right he was



Is it on YouTube? I want to watch it.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:37 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
Max Q wrote:
I remember watching a documentary on UA
many years ago when it was basically a domestic carrier with a few routes to Canada and Mexico


One of their claims in that era however was that they flew to all 50 states


Is that true anymore, If not how long has it been since they could claim that ?


Incidentally that documentary was made prior to the Pan Am Pacific route acquisition, they did have a substantial domestic operation though and the narrator observed they seemed to be a ‘sleeping giant’



He had no idea how right he was

I think we lost that distinction 1989, With the loss of ILM and RAP.


I think you mean ILG. ILM is Wilmington, North Carolina.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:14 pm

DL I believe was briefly in the 50-state club in the mid-2000s. Has AA ever flown to Delaware?
dfw88 wrote:
I pulled the data just for fun. All of the big three fly to 49 states (all but Delaware) when you include regional ops (as stated previously). When looking at just mainline you get the following:

AA - 46 states (missing Mississippi, South Dakota, and West Virginia)
DL - 49 states
UA - 44 states (missing Arkansas, Mississippi, North Dakota, New Hampshire, West Virginia)

I'm a bit surprised there's no AA mainline on DFW-JAN.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:50 pm

I taxied in a C-172 in Wilmington as a UA 737 passed by, circa 1985. Was cool to see but even then I didn't think the route would last long.
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:57 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
airboss787 wrote:
Does anyone know their current state count? If Delaware has no airport with scheduled service, maybe excluding that say, 49 states then?


IIRC it was 50 states with mainline service. Including regional partners all three majors fly to 49 states, but I have no idea how they stack up in terms of mainline service. I'd assume that Delta would have the most states with mainline service today, but would be interested if anyone wanted to do a comparison.

There is so much regional coverage by AA, DL and UA that WN could be the leader in states served with mainline. F9 is sneaking up the list too.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:51 pm

When Delaware does not have a scheduled commercial service, how do all the corporation HQ employees travel? CEOs would fly private jets but for laymen?
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:13 pm

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When Delaware does not have a scheduled commercial service, how do all the corporation HQ employees travel? CEOs would fly private jets but for laymen?

Just because a company is incorporated in Delaware for tax reasons doesn’t mean their HQ, or any major presence at all, is there.

As for anybody there, they do what any other Delawarean does-they drive to the nearest airport with commercial service (PHL, BWI, etc) and fly from there.
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:17 pm

ITSTours wrote:
When Delaware does not have a scheduled commercial service, how do all the corporation HQ employees travel? CEOs would fly private jets but for laymen?


PHL is 20 min from Wilmington
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:38 pm

PDXpat wrote:
It was in the 80s. I have the timetable with the cover reading "First to fly to all 50 states", but I don't have access to it at the moment so can't check the date. And yes, the did fly to DE, with Wilmington service (to ORD if I recall).

The "First To Fly All 50 States" timetable dated October 28, 1984...
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:44 pm

worldtraveler2 wrote:
PDXpat wrote:
It was in the 80s. I have the timetable with the cover reading "First to fly to all 50 states", but I don't have access to it at the moment so can't check the date. And yes, the did fly to DE, with Wilmington service (to ORD if I recall).

The "First To Fly All 50 States" timetable dated October 28, 1984...

ILG had 2 flights to ORD, one via IAD and one via ABE...
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:48 pm

dfw88 wrote:
I pulled the data just for fun. All of the big three fly to 49 states (all but Delaware) when you include regional ops (as stated previously). When looking at just mainline you get the following:

AA - 46 states (missing Mississippi, South Dakota, and West Virginia)
DL - 49 states
UA - 44 states (missing Arkansas, Mississippi, North Dakota, New Hampshire, West Virginia)

Unless they had mainline earlier in the summer schedule, I don’t see any AA mainline service to ND or VT as well.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:09 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
dfw88 wrote:
I pulled the data just for fun. All of the big three fly to 49 states (all but Delaware) when you include regional ops (as stated previously). When looking at just mainline you get the following:

AA - 46 states (missing Mississippi, South Dakota, and West Virginia)
DL - 49 states
UA - 44 states (missing Arkansas, Mississippi, North Dakota, New Hampshire, West Virginia)

Unless they had mainline earlier in the summer schedule, I don’t see any AA mainline service to ND or VT as well.


Given the seasonal variations in the schedule I pulled the data for all of 2019. AA will fly mainline to FAR from PHX in December and had E90s scheduled between PHL and BTV, though it does appear that they are now gone, so you could knock their total down to 45 now.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:41 pm

Delta mainline has the smallest jets, so it not surprising that it is the only airline of the three to fly to 49 states.

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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:50 pm

AA did fly to ILG from about 1948 through 1955, it was a stop between PHL and BAL.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 10:12 pm

worldtraveler2 wrote:
The "First To Fly All 50 States" timetable dated October 28, 1984...


One of these timetables is currently for sale on eBay:
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Re: United to 50 states

Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:05 pm

dfw88 wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
dfw88 wrote:
I pulled the data just for fun. All of the big three fly to 49 states (all but Delaware) when you include regional ops (as stated previously). When looking at just mainline you get the following:

AA - 46 states (missing Mississippi, South Dakota, and West Virginia)
DL - 49 states
UA - 44 states (missing Arkansas, Mississippi, North Dakota, New Hampshire, West Virginia)

Unless they had mainline earlier in the summer schedule, I don’t see any AA mainline service to ND or VT as well.


Given the seasonal variations in the schedule I pulled the data for all of 2019. AA will fly mainline to FAR from PHX in December and had E90s scheduled between PHL and BTV, though it does appear that they are now gone, so you could knock their total down to 45 now.

Thanks for the reply. That’s interesting that they will do PHX-FAR.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:29 am

Chuska wrote:
AA did fly to ILG from about 1948 through 1955, it was a stop between PHL and BAL.


USAir also flew PIT-PKB-ILG in the early 90's.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:01 am

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Thanks for the reply. That’s interesting that they will do PHX-FAR.


Let's see it really cold in Fargo in the winter, it's really nice in Arizona. :cold: There like a zillion North Dakota license plates down here in the Valley of the Sun during the winter. G4 has been making a killing flying between IWA (AZA) and the Dakotas.. AA might has try to get some $$..
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:36 am

Chuska wrote:
AA did fly to ILG from about 1948 through 1955, it was a stop between PHL and BAL.


American flew to ILG until very late 1959/very early 1960, of that I am certain. How so? Because my Dad transferred with AA from ILG to TUS in mid-1959, when employees had been told that the airline would be closing the station in about six months. November 1959 AA schedule shows two CV-240 flights through ILG: LGA-ILG-BAL-DCA and return.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:55 am

konkret wrote:
ITSTours wrote:
When Delaware does not have a scheduled commercial service, how do all the corporation HQ employees travel? CEOs would fly private jets but for laymen?


PHL is 20 min from Wilmington


I thought it would take at least an hour and was shocked to read this... Google Maps show 24 min. Wow.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:16 pm

Is there any chance ILG will regain service in the future from any airline?
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:04 pm

When Chrysler had an assembly plant in Newark, Delaware, and Buick had an assembly line in Wilmington, Delaware, ILG had a lot of freighter flights from DTW, YIP, PTK, and FNT, hauling "rush" auto parts to the assembly plants.

Northwest flew DC-10s in the 1970s between DTW and PHL, partly because of all the auto parts going as belly cargo to these assembly plants, and also because so many Chrysler and GM engineers were going from Michigan to the plants.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Tue Sep 10, 2019 2:32 pm

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Is there any chance ILG will regain service in the future from any airline?


A chance? Sure. There may be action by some bottom-feeder. But why? As noted, PHL is ~25 minutes away and has ~500 daily departures to ~130 non-stop destinations. Non-stops, frequency, and price competition in a nearby big-hub airport -- tough to beat that.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:16 pm

Both Allegheny and Eastern also served Wilmington (ILG) for long, continuous periods. Eastern from after WW2 until the start of deregulation in 1979, and Allegheny from their early days as All-American in the late '40s until they 'downgraded' ILG to Allegheny Commuter service sometime in the '70s. TWA also served ILG from the early post-WW2 era until the mid-50s.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:53 am

In 1984 UA went from 46 states to 50. Here is the route map a few weeks before they added ND, DE, WV, and MS
http://www.departedflights.com/UA100184.html
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Re: United to 50 states

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:51 pm

konkret wrote:
ITSTours wrote:
When Delaware does not have a scheduled commercial service, how do all the corporation HQ employees travel? CEOs would fly private jets but for laymen?


PHL is 20 min from Wilmington


Some people may not realize that Wilmington is within the extended Philadelphia metro area. There is SEPTA Regional Rail service (the line that used to be the R2) to Wilmington and Newark (a suburb of Wilmington). I have a relative in Newrak, and she gets all the Philadelphia TV stations (she has cable, but I suspect you can get them over-the-air as well).
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:56 pm

In 2006-2007, I believe DL flew ATL-ILG very briefly, with Delta Connection service.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:58 pm

mga707 wrote:
Both Allegheny and Eastern also served Wilmington (ILG) for long, continuous periods. Eastern from after WW2 until the start of deregulation in 1979, and Allegheny from their early days as All-American in the late '40s until they 'downgraded' ILG to Allegheny Commuter service sometime in the '70s. TWA also served ILG from the early post-WW2 era until the mid-50s.


should've checked my timetable archives before posting, as I was incorrect on two points: EA pulled out of ILG in 1974, not '79. Pre-deregulation, so the C.A.B. allowed them to discontinue the station. And Allegheny did not turn over ILG to one of their commuter partners when they discontinued service. A summer 1973 timetable shows two CV-580 flights to DCA from ILG. As I said above, unsure what year AL pulled out. By 1977 Altair Airlines was serving ILG with Nord 262s. I was still correct that AL and EA were the two longest-serving airlines to ILG during the regulated era.
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:59 pm

JFKCMILAXFLL wrote:
konkret wrote:
ITSTours wrote:
When Delaware does not have a scheduled commercial service, how do all the corporation HQ employees travel? CEOs would fly private jets but for laymen?


PHL is 20 min from Wilmington


Some people may not realize that Wilmington is within the extended Philadelphia metro area. There is SEPTA Regional Rail service (the line that used to be the R2) to Wilmington and Newark (a suburb of Wilmington). I have a relative in Newrak, and she gets all the Philadelphia TV stations (she has cable, but I suspect you can get them over-the-air as well).


My only time to DeDekewa was on that SEPTA train. Went PHL-downtown, bus over to Camden, NJ, then back and train to Wilmington. Then train back up to PHL. Nice day of touring in SE Penn.
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Re: United to 50 states

Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:12 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
Is there any chance ILG will regain service in the future from any airline?


A chance? Sure. There may be action by some bottom-feeder. But why? As noted, PHL is ~25 minutes away and has ~500 daily departures to ~130 non-stop destinations. Non-stops, frequency, and price competition in a nearby big-hub airport -- tough to beat that.


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Re: United to 50 states

Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:22 pm

I don't know about pre-deregulation but I know there was a time after deregulation they made a big deal about flying to all 50 states. IIRC, it didn't last long. I could not understand why they would fly to Delaware.
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Re: United to 50 states

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:49 am

I remember this milestone and do have a copy of the schedule at home. My dad flew for United and I was - still am - an avid follower and fan Now I'm GS and about as loyal as they come :)

I have a box of schedules and other memorabilia that I recently transferred to plastic storage bins.

I thought I snapped a picture of that one but it was two other milestones - enjoy:

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download/file.php?mode=view&id=33

ok I don't think that worked...can someone tell me how to imbed a photo?
 
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Re: United to 50 states

Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:06 am

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When Delaware does not have a scheduled commercial service, how do all the corporation HQ employees travel? CEOs would fly private jets but for laymen?

You're confusing "incorporation in Delware" with "headquartered in Delaware"

For example:
DL is incorporated in Delaware, but its headquarters are (obviously) in Georgia.
Ditto AA: incorporated in Delaware, headquartered in Texas.

Same for many many companies.
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Re: United to 50 states

Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:35 am

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I could not understand why they would fly to Delaware.


Airports that individually carry more than 1% of the nation's passengers are only in 21 states. I don't think that flying to 50 states is the key to profitability. AZ CA CO FL GA HI IL MA MD MI MN NC NJ NV NY OR PA TX UT VA WA
These 6 states: CA FL IL NY TX VA, contain more than one airport with 1% or more of the nation's passengers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeager_Airport is the largest airport in West Virginia, and at the same time the smallest of the largest airports in each state. The only mailine airlines that fly there are Delta (with a B717) and Spirit.

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