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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:03 pm

ThomasMTroxell wrote:
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WayexTDI wrote:
And what that'd be?


The date these projects will be complete.


Delta has until Summer 2022 to replace the Zodiac seats on the MD-90s and 717s, per a safety order from the FAA issued Summer 2017. It's safe to say these mods will be done by Q2 2022, possibly earlier.

Also I can confirm the post internally on SkyHub. We should change this from rumour to verified. It will be up on DLNet and external NewsHub by Friday, I assume.

I assume that was also another nail in the coffin for the MD-90 fleet's fate as well. That seems to likely be something that will drive the ultimate retirement timing of that fleet type.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:07 pm

ThomasMTroxell wrote:
Delta has until Summer 2022 to replace the Zodiac seats on the MD-90s and 717s, per a safety order from the FAA issued Summer 2017. It's safe to say these mods will be done by Q2 2022, possibly earlier.

Also I can confirm the post internally on SkyHub. We should change this from rumour to verified. It will be up on DLNet and external NewsHub by Friday, I assume.


Interesting. I wonder if the $70,000,000 cost is only the cost for IFE, or if it includes the cost of replacing seats that have to be replaced anyway?
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:18 pm

Remember DL has their wireless IFE tech first demonstrated on their A330neo fleet - this will no doubt make installation far cheaper than running vast amounts of cabling and under-seat boxes. It's still not an easy or inexpensive task, but as others have said provides a mainline-wide consistent product.
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:21 pm

The oldest MD88 in the DL fleet is almost 33 years old. The oldest B717 in the DL fleet is just under 20 years old, so it probably makes sense that they’re extending the leases to 2030. Long live the DC-9!
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:31 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
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2030 isn't soon. It's 10 years away. So it makes pretty good sense to add IFE to the 717s. However I wonder if they plan on keeping all of them. I assumed some of them would be retired in favor of the A220s


Why? If they're going to keep 60 they may as well keep 91.

Like the MD-88s and MD-90s, I expect that when they start exiting the fleet they'll go very fast. It's not going to be ten a year for nine years to be retired.


I guess I was thinking they may replace the 90s birds for parts or something.

Also if they do decide to do it like you said (which seeing how the MD's are being retired seems more likely) one has to wonder what they're gonna replace them with. They could order more A220s, which I assume they'll do, but I wonder how early they'll have to order to get 90 frames or so in 3 years or so. Then again 2030 is 11 years away so by then who knows how the market will look like?
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:34 pm

They will probably install their proprietary wireless IFE platform.
I assume that the shorter the flight segments significantly mitigate fuel burn costs , especially given what Delta is leasing these aircraft for. Smart alternative to committing billions to replace the fleet.
It’s a very popular aircraft with crew as well.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:23 pm

I’m not sure where some of you are getting your info, but the only skyhub post I’ve seen about this subject is that it’s not true. So until there’s an official announcement, this is purely a rumor.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:48 pm

717s fill a niche size market that makes Delta unique vs the US3/WN and other airlines. Stage lengths recognize less of the A220 advantage, not surprising if they get longer life spans.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:18 pm

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I’m not sure where some of you are getting your info, but the only skyhub post I’ve seen about this subject is that it’s not true. So until there’s an official announcement, this is purely a rumor.


Join the 717 pilot group. It was in a post from the LLCP of the fleet.


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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:26 pm

Finally a glimmer of hope for the MD t-tail. I don’t want to sound too skeptical, but I’ll reserve getting my hopes up until the fleet mods are put into production. Remember when the MD90 fleet was supposed to get AVOD and fly beyond 2025? It wasn’t that long ago, and look where we are today...
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:46 pm

There's enough details out there and "shop talk" on other places on the internet that lend this to be fairly credible with enough detail that is more than just typical pilot or FA rumor mills.

Devils advocate here, but Boeing is the leaseholder, likely gave DL a great deal on the lease extension on the 717. After all it was an orphan fleet type that no one else would want to digest all 91 frames. Secondly, if DL walked away they'd go and order more A220s from Airbus. Thus it was in Boeing's interest to make the 717 financially viable at DL longer since it keeps the replacement off of a competitors orderbook for that much longer.

There are a lot of sub-800 mile routes out of ATL, DTW, & MSP where the 717 makes a ton of sense and the fuel efficiency of newer aircraft is not fully realized and/or offsets the much higher acquisition costs. Basically all the 'ole DC-9 flying of yesteryear.

Another point, is that maybe that this hedges against some of the teething issues and production ramp-up issues of the A220. The 717 is a known commodity, its proven technology at this point.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:49 pm

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Finally a glimmer of hope for the MD t-tail. I don’t want to sound too skeptical, but I’ll reserve getting my hopes up until the fleet mods are put into production. Remember when the MD90 fleet was supposed to get AVOD and fly beyond 2025? It wasn’t that long ago, and look where we are today...

Things change, and like others 2030 is somewhat aspirational at this point. At the very least, if DL does indeed extend the leases, put the aircraft through their next HMV cycles and puts new seats & in-seat IFE then is almost certainty the fleet will make it to 2025 and beyond. The wildcard becomes the timing of the last and final HMVs, engine overhauls, and parts availability in the twilight of its career. No one can predict the future its looking like these aircraft are going to make it closer to 2030 than 2020.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:20 pm

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Remember DL has their wireless IFE tech first demonstrated on their A330neo fleet - this will no doubt make installation far cheaper than running vast amounts of cabling and under-seat boxes. It's still not an easy or inexpensive task, but as others have said provides a mainline-wide consistent product.


They still have to run power cabling to every seat. Maybe the deletion of Ethernet cables makes for significant $ savings.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:24 pm

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They ought to be spending money on making the cabin quieter for starters. By far the noisiest cabin I hve been in with the exception of the BA146.


That’s just not true. The Bae-146 was not loud in the cabin. I was cabin crew on that aircraft. The engines and the slipstream were way quieter than the other aircraft we flew.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:37 pm

It was the M90s that DL had plans for to install IFE on about 7-8 years ago but failed to meet FAA certifications. Legacy DL M90s had flip down LCDs they removed upon on-boarding a ton of second hand units (thus subsequently retiring many of them recently.)

The 717s with AVOD would likely mimic what has been installed on the A220s so far. Personally, I was under the impression that the 717s were on the way out just as much as the M90s so we shall see.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:40 pm

MavyWavyATR wrote:
To me, it doesn't make sense to put seatback screens on the 717's considering the type of flying they usually do (ie: up to 1.5 hours roughly).


They do a lot of east coast-MSP flights which are all over 2 hours. I think it's a good move to do this.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:44 pm

DDR wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
They ought to be spending money on making the cabin quieter for starters. By far the noisiest cabin I hve been in with the exception of the BA146.


That’s just not true. The Bae-146 was not loud in the cabin. I was cabin crew on that aircraft. The engines and the slipstream were way quieter than the other aircraft we flew.


Ah, the BA 146. UA used to fly them from ORD-CID...I enjoyed that plane.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:13 am

The 717's aren't going anywhere, anytime soon. And if Delta has been consistent on one thing it's that they don't mind flying older aircraft - and let's not even get into their sheer size vs other carriers. Speaking of consistency, not to beat a dead horse, but they also care about their product consistency. Let's face it...most couldn't even begin to tell you how old a 757 is but they're going to base it on the appearance of the cabin. I've been on several Delta 757 cabins that are tremendously nicer than some other carriers new planes.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:19 am

Super80Fan wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
To me, it doesn't make sense to put seatback screens on the 717's considering the type of flying they usually do (ie: up to 1.5 hours roughly).


Uh, the 717 does 2+ hour flights to a bunch of cities out of SLC and MSP. This makes very good sense since many of these "long, thin" or "high frequency" routes are going to be a mix of either 717's or A220's.


Don’t know if DL still flies 717’s SEA to PHX since I seem to just see A320’s when I search for flights now, but I was on one earlier this year on that route, and that’s a 2.5 hr flight. Plenty of time for a movie.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:37 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
There's enough details out there and "shop talk" on other places on the internet that lend this to be fairly credible with enough detail that is more than just typical pilot or FA rumor mills.

Devils advocate here, but Boeing is the leaseholder, likely gave DL a great deal on the lease extension on the 717. After all it was an orphan fleet type that no one else would want to digest all 91 frames. Secondly, if DL walked away they'd go and order more A220s from Airbus. Thus it was in Boeing's interest to make the 717 financially viable at DL longer since it keeps the replacement off of a competitors orderbook for that much longer.

There are a lot of sub-800 mile routes out of ATL, DTW, & MSP where the 717 makes a ton of sense and the fuel efficiency of newer aircraft is not fully realized and/or offsets the much higher acquisition costs. Basically all the 'ole DC-9 flying of yesteryear.

Another point, is that maybe that this hedges against some of the teething issues and production ramp-up issues of the A220. The 717 is a known commodity, its proven technology at this point.

First, all good and valid points.

I would add, if the lease is as cheap as I expect:
1. Allows DL to use the fleet as a power by the hour asset. In other words, only fly the 717 when passengers pay more.
2. Cheap insurance for growth. If the market demands growth, fly these aircraft more.
3. Cheap insurance for a downturn. If a recession hits, better to park low lease payment aircraft or RJs.

A great hedge play. I personally wanted to see A220 orders as that hedges fuel, but not a recession.

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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:38 am

We can argue what constitutes a short or long flight, but the 717s have the shortest range of any DL mainline plane, and shorter than E75s or CR9s. Maybe somebody with a data subscription can do the median flight distance for DL 717s in the present schedule.

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US ... g-717.html
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:52 am

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The 717s aren't gonna go anywhere for a while. Most of them aren't that old and there's plenty of A319/738/A320s that are older than the 717s in the fleet, and they all just got a big overhaul. The 717s will complement the A220s for a while, IMO. If DL were to be putting IFEs on their MD-88/MD-90s, that'd definitely be a head-scratcher, but they aren't going to do that.



I agree the 717’s aren’t going anywhere. When FL had them we beat them on every route they competed on is with.
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:03 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
Remember DL has their wireless IFE tech first demonstrated on their A330neo fleet - this will no doubt make installation far cheaper than running vast amounts of cabling and under-seat boxes. It's still not an easy or inexpensive task, but as others have said provides a mainline-wide consistent product.


They still have to run power cabling to every seat. Maybe the deletion of Ethernet cables makes for significant $ savings.


...and weight and passenger comfort benefits too - the shielding (and at one time the connectors) on those things can be massive, and are one reason the seat mounted shrouds have to be at least a certain size to allow bends.

It makes perfect sense for an A339, but the weight savings would obviously less apparent on a 712.
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:24 am

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It was the M90s that DL had plans for to install IFE on about 7-8 years ago but failed to meet FAA certifications. Legacy DL M90s had flip down LCDs they removed upon on-boarding a ton of second hand units (thus subsequently retiring many of them recently.).


Why did they fail to meet FAA certification? That's the first I've heard of that. The DL MD-90's have that covering on the seatbacks where the Panasonics were supposed to go. I do believe DL wanted to hang on to the MD-90's longer, but couldn't figure out the Christchurch MRO problem for the V2500-D5.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:31 am

phatfarmlines wrote:
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It was the M90s that DL had plans for to install IFE on about 7-8 years ago but failed to meet FAA certifications. Legacy DL M90s had flip down LCDs they removed upon on-boarding a ton of second hand units (thus subsequently retiring many of them recently.).


Why did they fail to meet FAA certification? That's the first I've heard of that. The DL MD-90's have that covering on the seatbacks where the Panasonics were supposed to go. I do believe DL wanted to hang on to the MD-90's longer, but couldn't figure out the Christchurch MRO problem for the V2500-D5.


It was the AVOD that failed to meet certification on the M90s (IIRC, fire hazard). That's why you will see plastic covers on the seats where the AVOD was supposed to be in line with. Recall back then the M90s were regularly flying MSP-West Coast routings as well.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:39 am

There are lots of people (not just on a.net but on other forums/websites as well) who are wondering why Delta is doing this when they claim the 717's operate on short routes. While it is true that there are some very short 717 routes, there are many longer ones as well out of SLC and MSP. Delta is all about providing a common experience so it makes sense providing PTV's as passengers probably won't be able to tell the difference between boarding a 717 and boarding an A220 (besides some stuff like overhead bins). Meanwhile you board an AA or UA flight and you don't know what you're going to get.
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:08 am

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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:14 am

Didn't KLM install PTVs on their MD-11?
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:32 am

DDR wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
They ought to be spending money on making the cabin quieter for starters. By far the noisiest cabin I hve been in with the exception of the BA146.


That’s just not true. The Bae-146 was not loud in the cabin. I was cabin crew on that aircraft. The engines and the slipstream were way quieter than the other aircraft we flew.


I know this is going off topic, but I have to chip in here too. I fly on the 146 several times a week, and have done so for the better part of a decade - no way is it close to being the noisiest cabin I've experienced.
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:55 am

Ziyulu wrote:
Didn't KLM install PTVs on their MD-11?

What's the link between PTVs on DL 717s and PTVs on KL MD-11s? One is a short-haul aircraft (where whether having PTV or not is a huge debate) and the other one is a long-haul aircraft (where having PTV is a must).
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:02 am

The IFE will be sourced from Delta Flight Products and will be the wireless version on the A220 and 333NEO fleet.

Oddly enough the M90 fleet is wired for IFE. It was done during the induction from previous operators but the decision was made not to install TV's after initial plan to do so.

By doing this, DL can market that ALL DL-operated aircraft (after the M90 leaves) have IFE. DL believes this is a huge advantage and part of their brand that consistently delivers a revenue premium.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:30 am

It is striking (if true) that the 717 will get IFE given that the A220 is going to be taking over a good amount of the longer 717 flying (some of the 2-hour flights out of SLC and SEA, and the LGA-Florida shoulder season flying), leaving most 717 trips under 750 miles out of DTW, MSP, and ATL. But it is important to note that seatback IFE is particularly useful in situations other than when the airplane is in the air in normal ops. I was on a diversion the other day that was supposed to be a short hop between GRR and MSP on a 319. But because of thunderstorms that kept re-firing around MSP, we diverted to OMA, and then after deplaning and reboarding and pushing, we had to return to the gate for more fuel and a longer delay as another line went through MSP. I got up and used the lav at one point, and I was surprised at how calm the cabin was even going into the 5th hour of the delay - as people were all watching interesting content on the IFE. It could have been a rough evening, but it was low-key because of a good, informative crew and the IFE. I think that may influence the thinking on the 717.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:36 am

Interesting new development, indeed. Personally speaking, I flew on a DL 717, from BOS to LGA sometime last year. I thought my flight experience was rather little boring. Perhaps, flying on near future DL 717s with IFE should be an improvement for all. I suppose IFE on DL 717s will take over flight attendants' traditional pre-flight safety demonstration.
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:03 am

DL CorpComm pushes back:

https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status ... 29857?s=21


September11 wrote:
Interesting new development, indeed. Personally speaking, I flew on a DL 717, from BOS to LGA sometime last year. I thought my flight experience was rather little boring. Perhaps, flying on near future DL 717s with IFE should be an improvement for all. I suppose IFE on DL 717s will take over flight attendants' traditional pre-flight safety demonstration.


It’s a 40 minute flight. How boring could it be?
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:10 am

ScottB wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
it was posted internally on Skyhub by Delta that they will invest $70 mil on IFE and extend leases until 2030. If true, that would be a very odd to invest so much into aircraft that will leave the fleet relatively soon, however this does go along with their strategy to fully equip their mainline fleet.


Ten years isn't "relatively soon" when we're talking about an investment in IFE. That's a longer lifespan than I'd expect for most of the equipment they'd be installing -- we're talking about electronic equipment, including screens, that gets a fair amount of abuse for the public, and I doubt the lifespan of the software will be ten years. It's under a million per frame and the company very likely has data showing the fleetwide IFE helps to drive a revenue premium.



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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:11 am

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Remember DL has to replace their seats on the 717 after the FAA determined their current seats don’t meet some regulation. So if you’re going to keep them until 2030, and you have to replace the seats anyway... Why not go ahead and put IFE screens on the aircraft?

When they were new, they felt like they were made out of wood. I was always sore after a flight. Wish there was a regulation against that (they're fine now).
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:14 am

MavyWavyATR wrote:
To me, it doesn't make sense to put seatback screens on the 717's considering the type of flying they usually do (ie: up to 1.5 hours roughly).

They fly to ATL out of EWR all the time, which is longer than that, and I doubt that's the longest trip I've been on.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:39 am

I've been trying to tell folks on this site for a long time that the 717s aren't going anywhere at Delta, and this further cements that.

cessna2 wrote:
I’m not sure where some of you are getting your info, but the only skyhub post I’ve seen about this subject is that it’s not true. So until there’s an official announcement, this is purely a rumor.


It's happening. Mods will start around the 2nd half of 2020. They are working on getting the shrouds tested and approved.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:42 pm

777Mech wrote:
I've been trying to tell folks on this site for a long time that the 717s aren't going anywhere at Delta, and this further cements that.

cessna2 wrote:
I’m not sure where some of you are getting your info, but the only skyhub post I’ve seen about this subject is that it’s not true. So until there’s an official announcement, this is purely a rumor.


It's happening. Mods will start around the 2nd half of 2020. They are working on getting the shrouds tested and approved.

Not that I don't trust you as you are usually pretty on target with your info. The original post on skyhub has been modified to remove the IFE part. So now i'm really scratching my head as to what's reality and what's not.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:22 pm

BAeRJ100 wrote:
DDR wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
They ought to be spending money on making the cabin quieter for starters. By far the noisiest cabin I hve been in with the exception of the BA146.


That’s just not true. The Bae-146 was not loud in the cabin. I was cabin crew on that aircraft. The engines and the slipstream were way quieter than the other aircraft we flew.


I know this is going off topic, but I have to chip in here too. I fly on the 146 several times a week, and have done so for the better part of a decade - no way is it close to being the noisiest cabin I've experienced.


Obviously the noise volume is in the ear of the beholder:)
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:30 pm

cessna2 wrote:
777Mech wrote:
I've been trying to tell folks on this site for a long time that the 717s aren't going anywhere at Delta, and this further cements that.

cessna2 wrote:
I’m not sure where some of you are getting your info, but the only skyhub post I’ve seen about this subject is that it’s not true. So until there’s an official announcement, this is purely a rumor.


It's happening. Mods will start around the 2nd half of 2020. They are working on getting the shrouds tested and approved.

Not that I don't trust you as you are usually pretty on target with your info. The original post on skyhub has been modified to remove the IFE part. So now i'm really scratching my head as to what's reality and what's not.


Sounds like Delta wasn't ready to let the cat out of the bag.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:49 pm

Wonderful. DL uses the 717 from MCI to SLC, that's a longer flight IIRC.

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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:11 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
Remember DL has their wireless IFE tech first demonstrated on their A330neo fleet - this will no doubt make installation far cheaper than running vast amounts of cabling and under-seat boxes. It's still not an easy or inexpensive task, but as others have said provides a mainline-wide consistent product.


They still have to run power cabling to every seat. Maybe the deletion of Ethernet cables makes for significant $ savings.


...and weight and passenger comfort benefits too - the shielding (and at one time the connectors) on those things can be massive, and are one reason the seat mounted shrouds have to be at least a certain size to allow bends.

It makes perfect sense for an A339, but the weight savings would obviously less apparent on a 712.


I don't know what shape the 717s cabins are in, but it also means the need to completely rip apart less of a cabin and make way for mounting of under-seat boxes
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:14 pm

Elementalism wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Is the 717 really louder than the back of a MD-80 or DC-9? I like engines on a wing just for that reason.

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717 In front of wing is the quietest mainline aircraft I have flown on. It is a real treat imo. Now they are installing IFE, it is even better.


THIS!

717 is my favorite single aisle to fly in Delta Fleet to fly on. First row of Economy plus , er 10C is the best seat in the house.

Having IFE is a really nice touch....

With more and more airlines having issues with power banks... IFE is a big selling point at the seat. It means I can charge/use my phones while watching movies/tv or listening to music plugged into the seat back.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:22 pm

Justapax wrote:
DDR wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
They ought to be spending money on making the cabin quieter for starters. By far the noisiest cabin I hve been in with the exception of the BA146.


That’s just not true. The Bae-146 was not loud in the cabin. I was cabin crew on that aircraft. The engines and the slipstream were way quieter than the other aircraft we flew.


Ah, the BA 146. UA used to fly them from ORD-CID...I enjoyed that plane.

Off topic but man I remember flying the Bae-146 to CID. Man that is a memory.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:45 pm

So, DL issued this statement today:
"While we’re always evaluating how we can enhance the experience for our customers and employees across our fleet, no decisions have been made about adding 717 aircraft in-flight entertainment seatback screens nor extending or shortening the length of time they will remain in operation in our fleet."

So, looks like we will have to wait and see
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:49 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

They still have to run power cabling to every seat. Maybe the deletion of Ethernet cables makes for significant $ savings.


...and weight and passenger comfort benefits too - the shielding (and at one time the connectors) on those things can be massive, and are one reason the seat mounted shrouds have to be at least a certain size to allow bends.

It makes perfect sense for an A339, but the weight savings would obviously less apparent on a 712.


I don't know what shape the 717s cabins are in, but it also means the need to completely rip apart less of a cabin and make way for mounting of under-seat boxes


I thought DL’s new streaming to seat back screen IFE system negated the need for under-seat boxes or allowed them to be significantly smaller.

Please clarify.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:52 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
Didn't KLM install PTVs on their MD-11?

What's the link between PTVs on DL 717s and PTVs on KL MD-11s? One is a short-haul aircraft (where whether having PTV or not is a huge debate) and the other one is a long-haul aircraft (where having PTV is a must).


Just because an aircraft is old does not mean you don't install the PTVs. UA never installed them on their 747s. So you had 2017 long haul flights without PTVs, so it's not a must.
 
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:05 pm

September11 wrote:
Interesting new development, indeed. Personally speaking, I flew on a DL 717, from BOS to LGA sometime last year. I thought my flight experience was rather little boring. Perhaps, flying on near future DL 717s with IFE should be an improvement for all. I suppose IFE on DL 717s will take over flight attendants' traditional pre-flight safety demonstration.


Not really sure what you were expecting on a ~35-40min flight??
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Re: Rumor: Delta installing IFE on B717s

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:16 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
Didn't KLM install PTVs on their MD-11?

What's the link between PTVs on DL 717s and PTVs on KL MD-11s? One is a short-haul aircraft (where whether having PTV or not is a huge debate) and the other one is a long-haul aircraft (where having PTV is a must).


Just because an aircraft is old does not mean you don't install the PTVs. UA never installed them on their 747s. So you had 2017 long haul flights without PTVs, so it's not a must.

I still don't get it.
KL decided to install PTVs in their MD-11 (when by the way); good for them.
DL appears to be looking into installing PTVs in their 717; good for them as well, would make the hard product consistent throughout the fleet.

I still don't see the link or comparison between the 2 cases.

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