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LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:57 pm

Lufthansa today announced the opening of a new route to Canada.
"Starting from 16 May 2020, Lufthansa for the first time will be including the Canadian capital Ottawa in its flight schedule from Frankfurt."

"From Germany's largest hub, Lufthansa will depart for the North American destination five times a week - on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays. The flight LH472 will leave Frankfurt at 1.45 p.m. and arrive at its destination at 4.05 p.m. local time. The return flight LH473 will depart Ottawa at 5.50 p.m. and arrive in Frankfurt at 7.15 a.m. the next day. An Airbus A340-300 with a total of 279 seats on board will carry out the flight."

source: https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/eng ... acd9351690
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:13 pm

most probably they will take-over the daily flights from Air Canada which are currently operated on 763 and summer seasonal only.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:14 pm

When was the last time LH opened a new long-haul route to North America from FRA?
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:15 pm

Blerg wrote:
When was the last time LH opened a new long-haul route to North America from FRA?

this year to AUS and the year before to SJC and SAN
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:19 pm

I hope they return to YYC as well. Maybe seasonal MUC-YYC
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:20 pm

Blerg wrote:
When was the last time LH opened a new long-haul route to North America from FRA?

As mentioned above... a few months ago. And then again a few months before that.

Besides, this route isn't even an all-new longhaul from FRA. They're essentially just taking over for AC.
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:20 pm

stylo777 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
When was the last time LH opened a new long-haul route to North America from FRA?

this year to AUS and the year before to SJC and SAN


Thanks. SJC was cut if I remember correctly?
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:22 pm

Blerg wrote:
stylo777 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
When was the last time LH opened a new long-haul route to North America from FRA?

this year to AUS and the year before to SJC and SAN


Thanks. SJC was cut if I remember correctly?

correct, and I guess they opened AUS instead.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:18 pm

LH using a 343, AC using a 763....and AC also use a 763 on YOW-LHR.

Ottawa seems to get the old aircraft on TATL!
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:32 pm

alan3 wrote:
LH using a 343, AC using a 763....and AC also use a 763 on YOW-LHR.

Ottawa seems to get the old aircraft on TATL!


The AC FRA flight will be discontinued.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:33 pm

alan3 wrote:
LH using a 343, AC using a 763....and AC also use a 763 on YOW-LHR.

Ottawa seems to get the old aircraft on TATL!


AC will be out of YOW-FRA and YOW-LHR should go 788 next summer.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:03 pm

Seasonal or year-around?
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:07 pm

Wow I never thought I'd see the day that LH would come to YOW.

Assuming this is fully taking over for AC, an LH 343 5x weekly vs a daily AC 767 represents a very modest capacity drop of just under 6% on the route.

However, it's possible both AC and LH will operate to FRA like at YUL and YYZ. Look at this:

Star Alliance partner Air Canada already operates the service from Ottawa to Frankfurt, and also connects the Canadian capital to London Heathrow.


Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... al-460761/

If AC sticks around on YOW-FRA, then that's a huge capacity increase.

Unfortunately there's no reference in the official PR as to whether this is complementing or replacing AC: https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/l ... 04424.html

AC's daily seasonal YOW-FRA in 2020 is set to resume on May 14th, whereas the inaugural for this is May 16th.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:44 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Seasonal or year-around?


Seasonal

runway23 wrote:
alan3 wrote:
LH using a 343, AC using a 763....and AC also use a 763 on YOW-LHR.

Ottawa seems to get the old aircraft on TATL!


AC will be out of YOW-FRA and YOW-LHR should go 788 next summer.


Is that confirmed or assumed?

I actually just messaged AC and to my surprise, a) they responded 15 minutes later and b) at this point LH's new flight is NOT replacing AC. Who knows if that will change though.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:35 pm

Well, if you compare the departure and arrival times, they are pretty much the same and only off by some minutes. Therefore, it's safe to assume that LH takes over. In the end it doesn't really matter due to A++ jointventure and metal neutrality. Revenues are shared among each other.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:04 pm

stylo777 wrote:
Well, if you compare the departure and arrival times, they are pretty much the same and only off by some minutes. Therefore, it's safe to assume that LH takes over. In the end it doesn't really matter due to A++ jointventure and metal neutrality. Revenues are shared among each other.


In one direction, they're very similar, while in the other, they're completely different.

YOW-FRA
AC838 2135-1055 +1
LH473 1750-0715 +1

FRA-YOW
AC839 1330-1545
LH472 1345-1605

Even though the AC comms person that emailed me said LH is complementing AC, I'll be surprised if that'll be the case.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:31 pm

Worldairlinenews now also reporting AC YOW-FRA is suspended and switching to LH: https://worldairlinenews.com/2019/09/10 ... -heathrow/

Also, they are reporting, as mentioned above, that YOW-LHR is switching to a 788

Hopefully YYC-NRT will also drop the 763 soon, those are getting very old.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:51 pm

alan3 wrote:
Worldairlinenews now also reporting AC YOW-FRA is suspended and switching to LH: https://worldairlinenews.com/2019/09/10 ... -heathrow/

Also, they are reporting, as mentioned above, that YOW-LHR is switching to a 788

Hopefully YYC-NRT will also drop the 763 soon, those are getting very old.


AC mediaroom too reporting YOW-LHR moving to 788 in March, and YOW-FRA being suspended.
https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2019-09 ... n-Heathrow

As for YYC-NRT, I wonder if perhaps AC is holding off to see what WS has planned for next summer. Should know soon what it has planned for that route.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:06 pm

So now LH to FRA taking over for AC as expected and AC 788 to LHR, means FRA capacity will drop about 6%, while LHR will go up by about 20%, results in about a 14% international capacity increase for summer 2020.

I wonder if the 788 will be rotated at LHR or through a YYZ Rapidair?...obviously if there isn’t another LHR 788 flight, then AC will rotate it to YYZ (or YVR like they did a few years ago one summer).

Seems like a win-win for YOW as LH at 5x weekly opens the opportunity for eventual daily service.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:30 pm

Dominion301 wrote:

I actually just messaged AC and to my surprise, a) they responded 15 minutes later and b) at this point LH's new flight is NOT replacing AC. Who knows if that will change though.


Was that on twitter or something? Just goes to show the people that answer have no clue what they are saying.
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:37 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
So now LH to FRA taking over for AC as expected and AC 788 to LHR, means FRA capacity will drop about 6%, while LHR will go up by about 20%, results in about a 14% international capacity increase for summer 2020.

I wonder if the 788 will be rotated at LHR or through a YYZ Rapidair?...obviously if there isn’t another LHR 788 flight, then AC will rotate it to YYZ (or YVR like they did a few years ago one summer).

Seems like a win-win for YOW as LH at 5x weekly opens the opportunity for eventual daily service.

basically substituting the 767 with 788
I don't believe there will be a schedule change, expect to see 788 on the evening Rapidair from YYZ-YOW.
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:39 pm

Anyone know anything on this?

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/l ... 04424.html

(Linked through YOW's Twitter) https://twitter.com/FlyYOW/status/1171518631634563078

Lufthansa Group to offer five Canadian gateways in 2020 with Ottawa as new addition


On May 16th, 2020, Ottawa joins the four other Lufthansa Group Canadian gateways: Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary.


Lufthansa does not fly to Calgary, and I don't believe any other LH Group airlines (Swiss/Eurowings/Austrian/Brussels) flies to YYC? Unless this is counting Edelweiss with Swiss?
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:56 pm

I find it interesting that the A343 is LH's low end aircraft, maybe I don't understand the economics of 4 engines vs 2, but that's where we see A343 operating. Is this Eurowings like service to Addis Ababa and Nairobi?
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:57 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Anyone know anything on this?

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/l ... 04424.html

(Linked through YOW's Twitter) https://twitter.com/FlyYOW/status/1171518631634563078

Lufthansa Group to offer five Canadian gateways in 2020 with Ottawa as new addition


On May 16th, 2020, Ottawa joins the four other Lufthansa Group Canadian gateways: Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary.


Lufthansa does not fly to Calgary, and I don't believe any other LH Group airlines (Swiss/Eurowings/Austrian/Brussels) flies to YYC? Unless this is counting Edelweiss with Swiss?


Says right in the article:

Lufthansa Group in Calgary
SWISS's subsidiary, Edelweiss, offers seasonal flights from Calgary to Zurich. The next timetable runs from May - August 2020.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:00 pm

hollywoodcory wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Anyone know anything on this?

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/l ... 04424.html

(Linked through YOW's Twitter) https://twitter.com/FlyYOW/status/1171518631634563078

Lufthansa Group to offer five Canadian gateways in 2020 with Ottawa as new addition


On May 16th, 2020, Ottawa joins the four other Lufthansa Group Canadian gateways: Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary.


Lufthansa does not fly to Calgary, and I don't believe any other LH Group airlines (Swiss/Eurowings/Austrian/Brussels) flies to YYC? Unless this is counting Edelweiss with Swiss?


Says right in the article:

Lufthansa Group in Calgary
SWISS's subsidiary, Edelweiss, offers seasonal flights from Calgary to Zurich. The next timetable runs from May - August 2020.


Ah, thanks. Not sure how I missed that.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:04 pm

Thenoflyzone wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

I actually just messaged AC and to my surprise, a) they responded 15 minutes later and b) at this point LH's new flight is NOT replacing AC. Who knows if that will change though.


Was that on twitter or something? Just goes to show the people that answer have no clue what they are saying.


Info probably hadn’t reached the wider AC team by that point.
 
 
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:25 am

Finally I can travel to Europe directly from YOW in a modern aircraft!
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:29 am

As opposed to the Connie?
 
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:31 am

YZFOO7F wrote:
Finally I can travel to Europe directly from YOW in a modern aircraft!

Aw but a ride in some really classic metal would be like time traveling...
https://youtu.be/EI3owgIj6zs?t=243
 
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:44 am

Bad news for those who travel on the route in Economy Class, but a nice upgrade for those who travel in business.
As a somewhat regular on YOW-LHR, I am going to miss the 767 :/

Avoiding 787 and 777 while crossing the pond is getting more difficult next year.
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:04 am

I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
 
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:10 am

patrickjp93 wrote:
YZFOO7F wrote:
Finally I can travel to Europe directly from YOW in a modern aircraft!

Aw but a ride in some really classic metal would be like time traveling...
https://youtu.be/EI3owgIj6zs?t=243


It's wild how much noise is going on there. Can you imagine flying on that and then something like an A380 or A350.
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:11 am

YZFOO7F wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
YZFOO7F wrote:
Finally I can travel to Europe directly from YOW in a modern aircraft!

Aw but a ride in some really classic metal would be like time traveling...
https://youtu.be/EI3owgIj6zs?t=243


It's wild how much noise is going on there. Can you imagine flying on that and then something like an A380 or A350.


Can you imagine the 7H flight from JFK to Paris on that beast?
 
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:19 am

patrickjp93 wrote:
YZFOO7F wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
Aw but a ride in some really classic metal would be like time traveling...
https://youtu.be/EI3owgIj6zs?t=243


It's wild how much noise is going on there. Can you imagine flying on that and then something like an A380 or A350.


Can you imagine the 7H flight from JFK to Paris on that beast?


Those who were frequent fliers on that route must have had serious hearing loss. The fatigue caused by all that noise too...
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:25 am

Edelweiss (WK) is part of the Lufthansa Group and operates to YYC as well as YVR on seasonal basis.
I also heard that Eurowings (EW) is looking into more US/Canada destinations next year. If you solely consider Canada than my guess would be YYC or YHZ since Condor (DE) is currently serving those routes and EW copy+pasted most of their new longhaul portfolio from FRA/MUC.

Back to YOW:
Fascinating that the capital of Canada only has two flights to Europe (LHR/FRA). Is this a YUL factor? Both cities being relatively close (around 2hrs drive) and the recent boom in YUL probably isn't in favour of YOW. The Lufthansa Group alone increased capacity to YUL significantly and added new flights just this year.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:16 am

stylo777 wrote:
Edelweiss (WK) is part of the Lufthansa Group and operates to YYC as well as YVR on seasonal basis.
I also heard that Eurowings (EW) is looking into more US/Canada destinations next year. If you solely consider Canada than my guess would be YYC or YHZ since Condor (DE) is currently serving those routes and EW copy+pasted most of their new longhaul portfolio from FRA/MUC.

Back to YOW:
Fascinating that the capital of Canada only has two flights to Europe (LHR/FRA). Is this a YUL factor? Both cities being relatively close (around 2hrs drive) and the recent boom in YUL probably isn't in favour of YOW. The Lufthansa Group alone increased capacity to YUL significantly and added new flights just this year.


Montréal should certainly be a factor in the equation but we mustn't forget how small of a town Ottawa really is. Also, there are lots of connection options through Toronto. Until not too long ago, Berlin, a city of 3.5 mn and a capital of a country larger than Canada in population and economy and farther from a city with TATL service like YUL than Ottawa barely had any TATL options. Even now, there's seasonal AC, DL and AA to one destination only and only year round UA.
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:20 am

YZFOO7F wrote:
Finally I can travel to Europe directly from YOW in a modern aircraft!


Even better: You have the choice between a modern aircraft and a comfortable aircraft. :yes:
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:00 am

YOW has approx 5m pax annually, so it is really a smaller airport that cannot reasonably expect many longhaul services. Even the US3 have rather limited service to/from YOW, operated only by their regional affiliates.

In a way, this is a dowgrade fro FRA and an upgrade for LHR. LHR gets more capacity and a modern business class product, While the capacity decrease to FRA is "just" 6 per cent, it is also no longer a daily service which will not impress business travellers (not sure how many there are on the FRA flights - given the seasonality of the service, probably more well-off leisure travellers upgrading or treating themselves to the C cabin). A plus certainly is the first time availability of Premium Economy on both routes (the AC PE product appears to be superior to LH's PE, so another plus for the LHR route). I am also not sure if everybody will like the 2-2-2 business class offered by Lufthansa in contrast to the 1-1-1 herringbone arrangement on AC's 767-300 - although goven the relatively short flights, others aspects such as seat comfort and IFE - which is very dated in AC's A333s and 763s) will probably be more decisive.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:13 pm

LGAviation wrote:
stylo777 wrote:
Edelweiss (WK) is part of the Lufthansa Group and operates to YYC as well as YVR on seasonal basis.
I also heard that Eurowings (EW) is looking into more US/Canada destinations next year. If you solely consider Canada than my guess would be YYC or YHZ since Condor (DE) is currently serving those routes and EW copy+pasted most of their new longhaul portfolio from FRA/MUC.

Back to YOW:
Fascinating that the capital of Canada only has two flights to Europe (LHR/FRA). Is this a YUL factor? Both cities being relatively close (around 2hrs drive) and the recent boom in YUL probably isn't in favour of YOW. The Lufthansa Group alone increased capacity to YUL significantly and added new flights just this year.


Montréal should certainly be a factor in the equation but we mustn't forget how small of a town Ottawa really is. Also, there are lots of connection options through Toronto. Until not too long ago, Berlin, a city of 3.5 mn and a capital of a country larger than Canada in population and economy and farther from a city with TATL service like YUL than Ottawa barely had any TATL options. Even now, there's seasonal AC, DL and AA to one destination only and only year round UA.


By Canadian standards, Ottawa is not a small city. It’s in the 2nd tier with Calgary and Edmonton, all of whom have metro populations in the 1.4-1.5 million range. However, unlike geographically isolated YYC and YEG, YOW is 2 hours from YUL resulting in a lot of leakage.

Even though YOW-FRA is “only” a *A metal swap, the fact that YOW will now have a European flag carrier serving it for the first time since KL packed up and left in 1996, gives the airport more “street cred” in terms of trying to attract a second Euro carrier like EI to DUB with one of their 321LRs or XLRs.

PS: DL actually service two routes out of YOW, namely DTW & LGA...but no ATL for the past decade.

14% capacity growth for 2021 is a good start towards an actual Euro destination add. This is the first transatlantic growth since the loss of Zoom. When Zoom was around YOW also had twice weekly GLA and LGW service and a weekly CDG on TS.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:36 pm

As a displaced YOW-er, I just want to see this route year-round. Will be funny to see a 340 there though. So much nicer to fly straight to YOW from Europe and not get stuck in the snow during the hop from YUL or YYZ.

I know a few AC FFs who are going to be annoyed some upgrade opportunities are about to disappear.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:25 pm

Blerg wrote:
When was the last time LH opened a new long-haul route to North America from FRA?


LH just announced 6 North America destinations a few weeks ago for the SU20.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:46 pm

AC have said they'll now be keeping five of the six mainline 763s through to the end of 2020, instead of retiring them all this year. I wonder where they'll use them?

My guesses would be:
YYZ-YHZ
YYZ-YEG
YYZ-YYC
YYZ-YYC-NRT
YYZ-YVR

Plus maybe the odd Rapidair.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:25 am

I see that while AC have not yet loaded a codeshare onto the new LH YOW-FRA, AC888/9 for YOW-LHR are now loaded with the 788.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:17 am

Does YOW have enough widebody gates? I think gate 17 or 15 one the 763 usually use.

YOW is a nice airport, but having a full 788 and A343 arrive at the same time will be a big change capacity wise for the airport. I know they’re expanding the security area

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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:48 am

YZFOO7F wrote:
Finally I can travel to Europe directly from YOW in a modern aircraft!

...que?

How is a 25yr+ A343 any more "modern" than a 30yr+ 763ER?
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Re: AC 788 and LH A343 to YOW

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:22 am

LAX772LR wrote:
YZFOO7F wrote:
Finally I can travel to Europe directly from YOW in a modern aircraft!

...que?

How is a 25yr+ A343 any more "modern" than a 30yr+ 763ER?


Maybe it's the "1988 factor" ;)
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:53 am

I think the view is...

...modern vs. old:
Boeing 788-8 vs. Boeing 767-300

...comfortable vs. uncomfortable:
Airbus A340-300 vs. Boeing 767-300

Although I am not sure if a 2-2-2 vs. 1-1-1 in C and 2-4-2 vs. 2-3-2 layout in Y is really more comfortable.
 
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Re: LH announces FRA-YOW eff. May 2020

Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:17 am

krisyyz wrote:
Does YOW have enough widebody gates? I think gate 17 or 15 one the 763 usually use.

YOW is a nice airport, but having a full 788 and A343 arrive at the same time will be a big change capacity wise for the airport. I know they’re expanding the security area

KrisYYZ


There is no capacity upgrade here. LH is swapping with AC, who ran a 763ER on the route. LHR/FRA has been around for years, back when I was flying full-time 2005-2010 anyway.

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