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Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:11 pm

Tim Clark told Flight Global the UK accounts for 26% of EK's total capacity and is currently growing around 6-7% a year.

If you think those numbers are astonishing Tim Clark also stated the UK accounts for 56% of EK's total profit from their European operations. Out of 22 European countries and the UK, the UK accounts for more than half of EK's European operational profit.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... or-460720/

At the end of the video he address Brexit, he states the evidence he has seen does not suggest that there will be a collapse in demand for travel to or from the UK.
 
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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:57 am

When one considers how much of the once British Empire EK serves, is it that much of a surprise?

Compared to say Germany, with limits on transfer traffic, there is less friction to business.

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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:55 am

lightsaber wrote:

Compared to say Germany, with limits on transfer traffic, there is less friction to business.

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What limits does Germany impose?
 
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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:24 am

flyjay123 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:

Compared to say Germany, with limits on transfer traffic, there is less friction to business.

Lightsaber


What limits does Germany impose?


Only four cities allowed. As many frequencies as desired by EK but no more than four.

Germany and Canada are the two ‘golden geese’ that EK would salivate on the prospect of open skies. Not going to happen.

Stuttgart and Berlin would be immediate targets.
 
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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:05 am

Just a shame that BA can't seem to tap into more of that. I guess because anywhere worth going to East of the UK is a long way away versus the relative short hop to the US.
 
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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:21 am

worldranger wrote:
flyjay123 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:

Compared to say Germany, with limits on transfer traffic, there is less friction to business.

Lightsaber


What limits does Germany impose?


Only four cities allowed. As many frequencies as desired by EK but no more than four.

Germany and Canada are the two ‘golden geese’ that EK would salivate on the prospect of open skies. Not going to happen.

Stuttgart and Berlin would be immediate targets.


I’m shocked the EU let Germany impose this. What happened to free markets and all that?
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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:41 am

Arion640 wrote:
worldranger wrote:
flyjay123 wrote:

What limits does Germany impose?


Only four cities allowed. As many frequencies as desired by EK but no more than four.

Germany and Canada are the two ‘golden geese’ that EK would salivate on the prospect of open skies. Not going to happen.

Stuttgart and Berlin would be immediate targets.


I’m shocked the EU let Germany impose this. What happened to free markets and all that?

I would add China is another 'golden goose' where EK desires far more rights.

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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:44 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
worldranger wrote:

Only four cities allowed. As many frequencies as desired by EK but no more than four.

Germany and Canada are the two ‘golden geese’ that EK would salivate on the prospect of open skies. Not going to happen.

Stuttgart and Berlin would be immediate targets.


I’m shocked the EU let Germany impose this. What happened to free markets and all that?

I would add China is another 'golden goose' where EK desires far more rights.

Lightsaber


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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:15 pm

Arion640 wrote:
I’m shocked the EU let Germany impose this. What happened to free markets and all that?


Aviation agreements are bilateral. The EU has no say in them. The EU can't force countries to accept aviation traffic they don't want. And the "free market" only applies to all the economies inside the EU. It doesn't mean free for outsiders coming to sell their wares in the EU.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:32 pm

TObound wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
I’m shocked the EU let Germany impose this. What happened to free markets and all that?


Aviation agreements are bilateral. The EU has no say in them. The EU can't force countries to accept aviation traffic they don't want. And the "free market" only applies to all the economies inside the EU. It doesn't mean free for outsiders coming to sell their wares in the EU.


The EU is party to aviation agreements -- the Open Skies agreement with the U.S. which also ended the restrictions on LHR imposed by Bermuda II is one of them. I guess it's not exactly a bilateral since technically the EU and all of its constituent states are parties along with the U.S. -- but it effectively acts as one. However, as there is no bilateral between the EU and UAE, the preexisting agreement between the BRD and UAE would apply.

Edit: FWIW, the EU and UAE have been in discussions regarding a comprehensive agreement which would replace the existing set of bilaterals with individual nations. Those talks have broken down, but in the event of an EU-wide agreement with the UAE, the restrictions imposed by the German bilateral would cease to apply unless they were included in the EU-UAE agreement.
 
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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:12 pm

ScottB wrote:
TObound wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
I’m shocked the EU let Germany impose this. What happened to free markets and all that?


Aviation agreements are bilateral. The EU has no say in them. The EU can't force countries to accept aviation traffic they don't want. And the "free market" only applies to all the economies inside the EU. It doesn't mean free for outsiders coming to sell their wares in the EU.


The EU is party to aviation agreements -- the Open Skies agreement with the U.S. which also ended the restrictions on LHR imposed by Bermuda II is one of them. I guess it's not exactly a bilateral since technically the EU and all of its constituent states are parties along with the U.S. -- but it effectively acts as one. However, as there is no bilateral between the EU and UAE, the preexisting agreement between the BRD and UAE would apply.

Edit: FWIW, the EU and UAE have been in discussions regarding a comprehensive agreement which would replace the existing set of bilaterals with individual nations. Those talks have broken down, but in the event of an EU-wide agreement with the UAE, the restrictions imposed by the German bilateral would cease to apply unless they were included in the EU-UAE agreement.

The issue is Germany could make it too difficult to remove the bilaterals. Talks broke down for a reason.

Also, a UAE to Europe bilateral is far more than the Dubai/Germany bilateral. If either Abu Dhabi or Dubai losses out they veto. How does the veto process work in Europe?

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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:40 pm

This all coincides with the UK's consistent economic growth the past 9, nearly 10 years. Much of the middle class have prospered and are flying further afield - EK very much so has the glam appeal here, if you're off on a trip to Thailand, Australia, even Africa, it's EK that stand out as the fairly affordable premium for lots of Brits. Ask the average Brit about Etihad or Qatar, and most are non the wiser, Emirates is a very different story.

Admittedly I had thought EK offering service to more and more UK airports would dilute their existing operations but it appears to have done the opposite. 95% load factors are damn impressive, especially when flights are often priced the same/slightly higher than competitors
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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:43 am

One of the reasons EK and QR have become successful in the UK is because they fly from other airports and not just LHR.

I fly to Thailand twice a year and have a choice of flying from MAN, NCL, GLA and EDI, all of which are within 2.5 hours drive for me. No need to fly from LHR. Prices from LHR might be slightly cheaper, but for me by the time you add the cost of getting to LHR and added time to get there it's not worth it.

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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:13 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
This all coincides with the UK's consistent economic growth the past 9, nearly 10 years.


Well, you can't say we lack a sense of humour here at a.net.
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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:37 pm

BaconButty wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
This all coincides with the UK's consistent economic growth the past 9, nearly 10 years.


Well, you can't say we lack a sense of humour here at a.net.


Exactly! We’ve had a tough ride in the 11 years since 2008...
 
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Re: Flight Global: Tim Clark (Video) talks about UK's Importance

Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:01 am

TheLion wrote:
BaconButty wrote:
JamesCousins wrote:
This all coincides with the UK's consistent economic growth the past 9, nearly 10 years.


Well, you can't say we lack a sense of humour here at a.net.


Exactly! We’ve had a tough ride in the 11 years since 2008...


Yes we have, and yet the UK economy is growing, this is a fact.

Fiend wrote:
One of the reasons EK and QR have become successful in the UK is because they fly from other airports and not just LHR.

I fly to Thailand twice a year and have a choice of flying from MAN, NCL, GLA and EDI, all of which are within 2.5 hours drive for me. No need to fly from LHR. Prices from LHR might be slightly cheaper, but for me by the time you add the cost of getting to LHR and added time to get there it's not worth it.


Exactly this, never underestimate the appeal of choice. Most people don’t want to trek down to LHR to fly onwards .
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