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TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:54 pm
by entdoc
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340, ... 55,00.html
Apologies article in Hebrew didn't find English one
And apologies if this already posted.

TLV to repair runway 8-26 after high holidays for about two months.
Apparently change in takeoff patterns to cause noise in some communities.

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:26 pm
by OmerMaz
Residents of Holon and Rishon Le Zion are the main victims of airplane related noise.
During the night, the majority of EL AL's long haul operations take place, so this is when the loud RR powered 777s and aging 747s bring their thunder and disturb the residents.
So unless it's a 787 taking off, they are already suffering from the noise.

What's also troubling, is how are they gonna deal with conggestion of airplane traffic both in the air and both on the ground...Better off to do it during winter season.

Aaand, the fact that 30/12 is much shorter than 26/08, so I'm woundering how harsh payload hits could be.

From a different article I read, it says that the repairs will take place effective 27 October, until 5 December.

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:45 pm
by FriscoHeavy
OmerMaz wrote:
Residents of Holon and Rishon Le Zion are the main victims of airplane related noise.
During the night, the majority of EL AL's long haul operations take place, so this is when the loud RR powered 777s and aging 747s bring their thunder and disturb the residents.
So unless it's a 787 taking off, they are already suffering from the noise.

What's also troubling, is how are they gonna deal with conggestion of airplane traffic both in the air and both on the ground...Better off to do it during winter season.

Aaand, the fact that 30/12 is much shorter than 26/08, so I'm woundering how harsh payload hits could be.

From a different article I read, it says that the repairs will take place effective 27 October, until 5 December.


Runway 12/30 is 10,210 ft long. Hardly short by any stretch of the imagination. It's essentially sea level and in the winter. There will virtually no payload restrictions.

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:54 pm
by OmerMaz
FriscoHeavy wrote:
OmerMaz wrote:
Residents of Holon and Rishon Le Zion are the main victims of airplane related noise.
During the night, the majority of EL AL's long haul operations take place, so this is when the loud RR powered 777s and aging 747s bring their thunder and disturb the residents.
So unless it's a 787 taking off, they are already suffering from the noise.

What's also troubling, is how are they gonna deal with conggestion of airplane traffic both in the air and both on the ground...Better off to do it during winter season.

Aaand, the fact that 30/12 is much shorter than 26/08, so I'm woundering how harsh payload hits could be.

From a different article I read, it says that the repairs will take place effective 27 October, until 5 December.


Runway 12/30 is 10,210 ft long. Hardly short by any stretch of the imagination. It's essentially sea level and in the winter. There will virtually no payload restrictions.



Thanks for the clarification.

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:04 pm
by FriscoHeavy
OmerMaz wrote:
FriscoHeavy wrote:
OmerMaz wrote:
Residents of Holon and Rishon Le Zion are the main victims of airplane related noise.
During the night, the majority of EL AL's long haul operations take place, so this is when the loud RR powered 777s and aging 747s bring their thunder and disturb the residents.
So unless it's a 787 taking off, they are already suffering from the noise.

What's also troubling, is how are they gonna deal with conggestion of airplane traffic both in the air and both on the ground...Better off to do it during winter season.

Aaand, the fact that 30/12 is much shorter than 26/08, so I'm woundering how harsh payload hits could be.

From a different article I read, it says that the repairs will take place effective 27 October, until 5 December.


Runway 12/30 is 10,210 ft long. Hardly short by any stretch of the imagination. It's essentially sea level and in the winter. There will virtually no payload restrictions.



Thanks for the clarification.


You bet.

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:43 pm
by flybaby
OmerMaz wrote:
Residents of Holon and Rishon Le Zion are the main victims of airplane related noise.
During the night, the majority of EL AL's long haul operations take place, so this is when the loud RR powered 777s and aging 747s bring their thunder and disturb the residents.
So unless it's a 787 taking off, they are already suffering from the noise.

What's also troubling, is how are they gonna deal with conggestion of airplane traffic both in the air and both on the ground...Better off to do it during winter season.

Aaand, the fact that 30/12 is much shorter than 26/08, so I'm woundering how harsh payload hits could be.

From a different article I read, it says that the repairs will take place effective 27 October, until 5 December.


El Al’s 747s should be all retired by then.

27 October is considered low-season so this is a good time as ever to do this.

Repairs on this scale are done to the runway approximately once per decade.

The interesting question is whether runway 3/21 will be used for takeoffs, something which rarely happens.

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:45 pm
by AA737-823
I landed this week in an El Al 747 on rwy21, which I though was strange. I expected to come straight in from the sea, for noise.
Maybe they’ve already reduced traffic on 8-26?
In any event, noise from 747s should cease to be an issue very soon, unfortunately.

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 3:06 pm
by HP69
Will any airlines cut back service?

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:15 pm
by OmerMaz
flybaby wrote:
OmerMaz wrote:
Residents of Holon and Rishon Le Zion are the main victims of airplane related noise.
During the night, the majority of EL AL's long haul operations take place, so this is when the loud RR powered 777s and aging 747s bring their thunder and disturb the residents.
So unless it's a 787 taking off, they are already suffering from the noise.

What's also troubling, is how are they gonna deal with conggestion of airplane traffic both in the air and both on the ground...Better off to do it during winter season.

Aaand, the fact that 30/12 is much shorter than 26/08, so I'm woundering how harsh payload hits could be.

From a different article I read, it says that the repairs will take place effective 27 October, until 5 December.


El Al’s 747s should be all retired by then.

27 October is considered low-season so this is a good time as ever to do this.

Repairs on this scale are done to the runway approximately once per decade.

The interesting question is whether runway 3/21 will be used for takeoffs, something which rarely happens.



The 747s are (presuambley) exiting the fleet on 21 October.
The period of the repairs is defenitley ideal, as this period also supposed to be less rainy compared to a later time.

As for 03/21, I assume that maybe only flight to Eilat or Haifa, but I doubt that it will be any other flight then that, if any.

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:51 pm
by flybaby
HP69 wrote:
Will any airlines cut back service?


I doubt it. The other runways should be sufficient to meet the demand during that time of year.

Re: TLV main runway repairs

Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:59 pm
by flybaby
AA737-823 wrote:
I landed this week in an El Al 747 on rwy21, which I though was strange. I expected to come straight in from the sea, for noise.
Maybe they’ve already reduced traffic on 8-26?
In any event, noise from 747s should cease to be an issue very soon, unfortunately.


By law 4-engined aircraft aren’t supposed to land on 21 but exceptions can be made in extraordinary circumstances.

The IAA and CAAI are supposed to be working on a new operational scheme for the airport which will replace the old one from 1997 which is supposed to more equally distribute the noise around the airport, plus take out the 4-engine restriction on RWY21. However, it could take many years for the plan to go through all the approvals and objections process. This said, the number of 4-engines aircraft is steadily decreasing anyway.