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Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Wed Sep 11, 2019 4:24 pm

Video of an Avianca ATR 72 landing hard in and porpoising onto it’s nose landing gear.

I think it blows one of the main tires as it touches down.

https://m.eltiempo.com/colombia/otras-c ... les-411216


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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:19 pm

Yikes! But the rest of the landing looks like it was okay. Repairs to be made? Or is it uneconomical to do so.
 
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:49 pm

And this is how that ATR looks like now:

https://twitter.com/aviacion_al_dia/sta ... 2318488578
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:20 pm

Holy smokes!! That approach looks like no joke!!! Glad everyone is okay!!
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:35 pm

Is that the effects of a tailstrike we see in that photo in the article? Or is it the nose?
 
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:24 am

That airport looks designed for ugly and scary landings (for non pilots like me).
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:29 am

AtomicGarden wrote:
That airport looks designed for ugly and scary landings (for non pilots like me).

It's your normal Colombian airport. Have a look at the ones in Pasto and Bucaramanga, for example, on Youtube.
 
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:49 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
Is that the effects of a tailstrike we see in that photo in the article? Or is it the nose?


Tail strike. It appears they hit the runway nose gear-first, porpoised and then the tail strike...
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:27 am

dcajet wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Is that the effects of a tailstrike we see in that photo in the article? Or is it the nose?


Tail strike. It appears they hit the runway nose gear-first, porpoised and then the tail strike...

In the video, it looked the other way around. It looked like he hit tail first then pushed forward onto the nose.
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:47 am

longhauler wrote:
dcajet wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Is that the effects of a tailstrike we see in that photo in the article? Or is it the nose?


Tail strike. It appears they hit the runway nose gear-first, porpoised and then the tail strike...

In the video, it looked the other way around. It looked like he hit tail first then pushed forward onto the nose.


It seems like I need glasses...
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:19 am

longhauler wrote:
dcajet wrote:
MalevTU134 wrote:
Is that the effects of a tailstrike we see in that photo in the article? Or is it the nose?


Tail strike. It appears they hit the runway nose gear-first, porpoised and then the tail strike...

In the video, it looked the other way around. It looked like he hit tail first then pushed forward onto the nose.

I was about to say the same.
 
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:43 am

I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:45 am

That said: holy crap! I'm shocked it stayed on the runway! :eek:
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:09 am

looks very similar to a landing incident on an essentially new Iran Air EP-ITD at Tehran-Mehrabad a couple of weeks back. Landing became unstable as the wheels were touching down on the tarmac, according to the commander. Crew were not aware of the tail strike until a passenger notified them as he/she was deplaning. There was a 1 m skid mark on the runway. The extent of damage, and hence the needed category of the investigation will be determined by Iran Air Technique in the presence of ATR reps.

https://twitter.com/Aerospacetalk/statu ... 4374127616

The basic report is in Persian (which I can read easily) but the pictures are illustrative alone. I am certain that the final version will in English and quite possibly in French as well as the French BEA and ATR are involved.
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:14 am

Isn’t the ATR 72 tricky to land due to the position of its wheels and stretched fuselage? Especially in crosswinds?
 
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:05 am

That airport looks scary, and surely that approach isn't stabilized, too fast and too high ?
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:36 am

I'd be worried about the integrity of the fuselage as well as the wing spar. Didn't look like a 'normally' bumpy landing at all.
 
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:16 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
Isn’t the ATR 72 tricky to land due to the position of its wheels and stretched fuselage? Especially in crosswinds?


Yes that is true. Most airlines with ATR 72’s observe a five degree pitch limitation for take off and landing so as to avoid a tail scrape. The position of the main gear (closely positioned together) makes it challenging in a crosswind on the runway, particularly as there are no symmetrical spoilers as there are in other airliners, including a Dash 8.
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:56 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
Isn’t the ATR 72 tricky to land due to the position of its wheels and stretched fuselage? Especially in crosswinds?

I'm under impression that the ATR72 doesn't have a high margin in pitch, especially when aborting landing after a touch down, like it's easy to over rotate and hit your tail.
 
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Re: Avianca ATR72 hard landing in MZL. (Video)

Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:56 am

Aesma wrote:
That airport looks scary, and surely that approach isn't stabilized, too fast and too high ?


No way to know by looking at this video whether the approach was stabilized, but it was definitely a late flare. This airport, though, looks like a deathtrap to me. I've watched a couple of other videos that show normal landings and it seems like an accident waiting to happen. Here's an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX2fkVen6mM

It doesn't seem to me like an airport that's really capable of safely handling a plane the size of an ATR-72. It has a high elevation of 6,768 ft, meaning performance will be less than normal even on a good day, its runway appears to slope downward (possibly from both ends?), it's only 4,839 feet long and appears to be only 75 feet wide. There is zero margin for error. This is the kind of airport that most airlines, if they flew there at all, would require special training for.
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