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Cathay Pacific News and Discussion thread

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:01 pm

Unfortunately looks like the fallout from events in Hong Kong are taking increasing toll on CX.


Cathay Pacific Airways said on Wednesday it would cut capacity for the upcoming winter season after reporting an overall 11.3% fall in passenger numbers for August as anti-government protests in Hong Kong hit demand. The airline said inbound traffic to Hong Kong in August had fallen by 38% compared with the previous year, and it did not anticipate September would be any less difficult. The load factor fell by 7.2 percentage points to 79.9% in August, Cathay said. The amount of cargo carried fell by 14% amid a weaker global market and disruptions at Hong Kong airport.

“Given the current significant decline in forward bookings for the remainder of the year, we will make some tactical measures such as capacity realignments,” Cathay Chief Customer and Commercial Officer Ronald Lam said in a statement. “Specifically, we are reducing our capacity growth such that it will be slightly down year-on-year for the 2019 winter season (from end October 2019 to end March 2020) versus our original growth plan of more than 6% for the period.”

Cathay said on Wednesday demand for premium class travel had fallen more significantly than for leisure travel, with demand from mainland China and Northeast Asia particularly severely hit.


Cathay Pacific to cut capacity as demand for Hong Kong travel falls
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-cath ... SKCN1VW0ZB

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6%+ capacity cut is a pretty major move for an airline.
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:06 pm

O&D, certainly from tourism taking a hit. Plus as a connecting hub, passengers have other options. Agreed this is substantial.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:16 pm

^^^
Interesting. Have two trips to Hong Kong coming up for tourism/fun.

Haven’t had a single concern or thought once about not going. It’s interesting what scares people these days - or, perhaps, let’s them justify their own fears.
Love the city and the food, can’t wait to go back.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:18 pm

Besides those cancelling visits to HKG, I bet many(especially business clients) are avoiding booking CX entirely as transiting HKG airport is a gamble.
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:26 pm

BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
Interesting. Have two trips to Hong Kong coming up for tourism/fun.

Haven’t had a single concern or thought once about not going. It’s interesting what scares people these days - or, perhaps, let’s them justify their own fears.
Love the city and the food, can’t wait to go back.


Don't believe people are too worried about their personal safety, though there is certainly increased hassle factor and chance of travel disruption which is putting people off.

Heck at my airline, crews are increasingly bidding to avoid HKG trips as the chance of having your trips distributed and your entire month's schedule being thrown into havoc is not something some want to add to already unpredictable life. I don't blame them.
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:29 pm

I just checked LHR - HKG availability for the next few days on Galileo and most flights are wide open for bookings, only a few premium cabins sold out on a few flights. So they can start by chopping 2 of their LHR flights to start with. Might make more money leasing out the slots over the winter.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:35 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Besides those cancelling visits to HKG, I bet many(especially business clients) are avoiding booking CX entirely as transiting HKG airport is a gamble.


Yes and it surprises me that CX isn't even trying.
I have a trip from Europe to Asia coming up and CX was not even the cheapest option except for a very specific set of parameters.

I was already put off by the thought of issues with my connection and possible delays at arrival, but would have considered them if they at least tried to offer a good deal.

Yes there are a few promo's but CX management is being too passive and this is what is showing in the traffic numbers IMO.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:57 pm

Routesonline reporting IAD is reduced to 4x weekly and YVR is reduced from 16 to 13 weekly effective Oct 29th.
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:19 pm

can you please post a link? i've looked and cannot find that.


janders wrote:
Routesonline reporting IAD is reduced to 4x weekly and YVR is reduced from 16 to 13 weekly effective Oct 29th.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:27 pm

@airlineroute twitter also says JFK nonstops reduced from 21 to 18 weekly for W19/20
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:00 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
Besides those cancelling visits to HKG, I bet many(especially business clients) are avoiding booking CX entirely as transiting HKG airport is a gamble.


Yes and it surprises me that CX isn't even trying.
I have a trip from Europe to Asia coming up and CX was not even the cheapest option except for a very specific set of parameters.

I was already put off by the thought of issues with my connection and possible delays at arrival, but would have considered them if they at least tried to offer a good deal.

Yes there are a few promo's but CX management is being too passive and this is what is showing in the traffic numbers IMO.


The prices atm are unbelievable and certainly way below the operating costs. I priced BNE HKG return the other day and it came back at
AUD360 bucks! Thats about USD290. And even the connections. Singapore came in at $1400 for business class BNE-SIN-HKG return on the
a 350 with the new seating. For those of you in the Americas BNE-HKG is about an 8.5 hr flight, similar to something like ORD-FRA.
This is clearly not sustainable. Cathay have moved into, try and protect the brand mode and minimise losses rather than make a
profit and thrive. This is not a good place to be, and politically, they won't care if Cathay goes under. We are very much
in uncharted waters here and it's not good.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:22 pm

UPlog wrote:
Don't believe people are too worried about their personal safety, though there is certainly increased hassle factor and chance of travel disruption which is putting people off.


Oh, I'd expect that corporate travel/security departments are quite concerned about sending employees to Hong Kong. Not so much that they think that staff have much to worry about from protestors or the HK police, apart from potential travel disruptions as we've seen already. Rather, the saber-rattling from Beijing with military "training exercises" in the Pearl River Delta region should be a significant concern -- you don't want to try to evacuate employees from Hong Kong in the event of a 1989-style crackdown on protestors there.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:36 pm

Maybe Cathay should transfer some of its flights to Dragon that has smaller capacity planes until demand is up again..
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:50 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Maybe Cathay should transfer some of its flights to Dragon that has smaller capacity planes until demand is up again..

There's only so many planes at KA and they're already stretched to a point they frequently wet-lease CX planes to cover their flights.

Although KA could also start cancelling a few flights especially the 18x daily HKG-SHA/PVG runs....

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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:01 pm

I was looking at ORD-HKG-BNE on CX in November and J was still coming in around $6000 USD. Economy was around $1400RT.

Looking at BR, business was the same but back of plane was around $1000 RT.

Incentives would go a long way to pull people back.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:15 pm

Per SCMP CX will implement the following measures:

- Delaying non-critical spend
- Halting hiring on non-flying staff
- Expenditure Control Committee formed

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/pol ... travelling
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:28 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Besides those cancelling visits to HKG, I bet many(especially business clients) are avoiding booking CX entirely as transiting HKG airport is a gamble.

Yes I can see that some business people heading to some
Areas in Guangdong are now flying to CAN or SZX instead of flying to HKG and spend the night in HongKong
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:38 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Besides those cancelling visits to HKG, I bet many(especially business clients) are avoiding booking CX entirely as transiting HKG airport is a gamble.


Nope, the riots and protests have no done anything to stop flights. No more than a typhoon.
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:39 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Maybe Cathay should transfer some of its flights to Dragon that has smaller capacity planes until demand is up again..


Biggest part of the Cathay Dragon n fleet is the A330.
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:43 pm

Lufthansa wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
Besides those cancelling visits to HKG, I bet many(especially business clients) are avoiding booking CX entirely as transiting HKG airport is a gamble.


Yes and it surprises me that CX isn't even trying.
I have a trip from Europe to Asia coming up and CX was not even the cheapest option except for a very specific set of parameters.

I was already put off by the thought of issues with my connection and possible delays at arrival, but would have considered them if they at least tried to offer a good deal.

Yes there are a few promo's but CX management is being too passive and this is what is showing in the traffic numbers IMO.


The prices atm are unbelievable and certainly way below the operating costs. I priced BNE HKG return the other day and it came back at
AUD360 bucks! Thats about USD290. And even the connections. Singapore came in at $1400 for business class BNE-SIN-HKG return on the
a 350 with the new seating. For those of you in the Americas BNE-HKG is about an 8.5 hr flight, similar to something like ORD-FRA.
This is clearly not sustainable. Cathay have moved into, try and protect the brand mode and minimise losses rather than make a
profit and thrive. This is not a good place to be, and politically, they won't care if Cathay goes under. We are very much
in uncharted waters here and it's not good.


The goal is to wreck Hong Kong.... Hotels, restaurants, theme parks, shops, train network, airport, airlines and the general public. So far.... it's working well :banghead:
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:47 am

HKG-Dublin suspended for the 2019-20 winter.

https://www.ittn.ie/news/cathay-pacific ... om-dublin/
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:03 am

itisi wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
Besides those cancelling visits to HKG, I bet many(especially business clients) are avoiding booking CX entirely as transiting HKG airport is a gamble.


Nope, the riots and protests have no done anything to stop flights. No more than a typhoon.

perceptions matter a lot.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:25 am

Does this mean they will hold off on the 3-4-3 economy class seating on the 777?
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:45 am

BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^
Interesting. Have two trips to Hong Kong coming up for tourism/fun.

Haven’t had a single concern or thought once about not going. It’s interesting what scares people these days - or, perhaps, let’s them justify their own fears.
Love the city and the food, can’t wait to go back.


Scared is a bit strong. I live here, and certainly if you have other options why not go to Singapore, Taipei, or Bangkok instead? Since the bill's withdrawal, it has certainly calmed down, but even last week Central Station was set fire too. Imagine staying in a hotel in Central, and you are more or less confined to your hotel for the weekend. If you are staying in other areas, it's mostly fine.

Rather than being scared, I would say why would you want to bother with it if you have other options? Especially if it's a holiday.

A shame, the protesters are ruining their own city more than almost anything else would have.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:46 am

tphuang wrote:
itisi wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
Besides those cancelling visits to HKG, I bet many(especially business clients) are avoiding booking CX entirely as transiting HKG airport is a gamble.


Nope, the riots and protests have no done anything to stop flights. No more than a typhoon.

perceptions matter a lot.


Exactly and weren't flights suspended and some flights diverted due to protesters overrunning the terminal!

Even a typhoon doesn't overrun the terminal in the way that the protesters have done so to mention that the riots and protest's have ''no'' or nothing to stop flights is ridiculous as the whole situation has obviously affected flights along with the reputation of Hong Kong and it's having a detrimental effect on it's economy as seen by these recent cuts in capacity at CX.

I for one hope that Hong Kong along with CX recover very soon from the current situation and as much as I sympathize with the protesters requests I do feel for the future of Hong Kong on the global stage. Hong Kong is without any doubt one of my favourite places on earth and it saddens me to see what is happening there.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:24 am

I’m wondering how much longer CX will last at IAD. I think it’s telling it was one of the first routes to be reduced. The -1000 never made sense to me, so much capacity for a new market (isn’t it CX’s longest route?). Does anyone have any load info for that route? Anecdotally I’ve heard of some very empty flights (pre riots).
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:40 am

T100 showed load factors on Dulles in the mid/ upper 80% range for most of this year. June was approximately 90%. I haven’t checked July yet but can check from work tomorrow. The flights aren’t spry, the question is the fare.

LHUSA wrote:
I’m wondering how much longer CX will last at IAD. I think it’s telling it was one of the first routes to be reduced. The -1000 never made sense to me, so much capacity for a new market (isn’t it CX’s longest route?). Does anyone have any load info for that route? Anecdotally I’ve heard of some very empty flights (pre riots).
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:02 am

jasoncrh wrote:
T100 showed load factors on Dulles in the mid/ upper 80% range for most of this year. June was approximately 90%. I haven’t checked July yet but can check from work tomorrow. The flights aren’t spry, the question is the fare.

LHUSA wrote:
I’m wondering how much longer CX will last at IAD. I think it’s telling it was one of the first routes to be reduced. The -1000 never made sense to me, so much capacity for a new market (isn’t it CX’s longest route?). Does anyone have any load info for that route? Anecdotally I’ve heard of some very empty flights (pre riots).

And they swap to A359 as well during the low season.

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:08 am

Besides previously posted cuts, per routesonline.

CX reducing FRA and CDG services.

KA reductions to Beijing, Medan and Haneda

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-11sep19/
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:21 am

Could they start deferring aircraft orders if they're now cutting so much capacity?
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:27 am

Scotron12 wrote:
Could they start deferring aircraft orders if they're now cutting so much capacity?


Actually no need for that, since Cathay only holds B777X and A321neo orders, and these two types have already been in delay:)

CX also has several A359/A35K orders, but they are only for replacement of their leased B77W and A333.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:06 am

hz747300 wrote:
BlatantEcho wrote:
^^^

Scared is a bit strong. I live here, and certainly if you have other options why not go to Singapore, Taipei, or Bangkok instead? Since the bill's withdrawal, it has certainly calmed down, but even last week Central Station was set fire too. Imagine staying in a hotel in Central, and you are more or less confined to your hotel for the weekend. If you are staying in other areas, it's mostly fine.

Rather than being scared, I would say why would you want to bother with it if you have other options? Especially if it's a holiday.



Well, I go to Thailand next month. I dislike Singapore and I go to Taiwan in February. So, I’m already going to those places on separate trips.

Also, why would arson at s train station keep me in a hotel?
Again _fear_ is winning with you. Which is sad.

I love Hong Kong. Entire city could be on fire and I’m still visiting twice in the next few months.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:28 am

I flew CX CGK-HKG-JNB last week on a ticket that was booked a month ago. CGK-HKG was at 99% in economy (I had the only open seat next to me - OWE perk) and from what I could see, full in PY and relatively full in Business also. There was nothing unusual about the transit in HK. The only thing I did notice was that the HKG-JNB flight was not as full as usual. If I did not know that there was unrest in HK, I probably would not have noticed anything different from previous trips with CX.

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:52 pm

Just checked. Overall for 2019 through July CX has an 83% load factor at Dulles. Not its highest but not its lowest. In June it had a 92% load factor, in July it went down to 80%. Will be interesting to see what happens in August when those numbers come in. Either way, these are just loads. I have no insight into yield/ fares - that would tell a richer story. and be more informative as to the true performance at Dulles.

Remember - anecdotes are one thing. Multiple anecdotes do not make for facts.

jasoncrh wrote:
T100 showed load factors on Dulles in the mid/ upper 80% range for most of this year. June was approximately 90%. I haven’t checked July yet but can check from work tomorrow. The flights aren’t spry, the question is the fare.

LHUSA wrote:
I’m wondering how much longer CX will last at IAD. I think it’s telling it was one of the first routes to be reduced. The -1000 never made sense to me, so much capacity for a new market (isn’t it CX’s longest route?). Does anyone have any load info for that route? Anecdotally I’ve heard of some very empty flights (pre riots).
 
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jasoncrh wrote:
Just checked. Overall for 2019 through July CX has an 83% load factor at Dulles. Not its highest but not its lowest. In June it had a 92% load factor, in July it went down to 80%. Will be interesting to see what happens in August when those numbers come in. Either way, these are just loads. I have no insight into yield/ fares - that would tell a richer story. and be more informative as to the true performance at Dulles.

Remember - anecdotes are one thing. Multiple anecdotes do not make for facts.

jasoncrh wrote:
T100 showed load factors on Dulles in the mid/ upper 80% range for most of this year. June was approximately 90%. I haven’t checked July yet but can check from work tomorrow. The flights aren’t spry, the question is the fare.

LHUSA wrote:
I’m wondering how much longer CX will last at IAD. I think it’s telling it was one of the first routes to be reduced. The -1000 never made sense to me, so much capacity for a new market (isn’t it CX’s longest route?). Does anyone have any load info for that route? Anecdotally I’ve heard of some very empty flights (pre riots).



CX has had profit margin challenges over the last few years, in part due to mainland Chinese carriers competing.
Even if they maintained a high load factor it may not be enough, they just can't demand the prices they used to
be able to. There was an article in the economist a few years back saying at that point, before all this current mess
flared up obviously, they were needing a 120% load factor to break even. They of course had the oil hedging issue
and have probably tried to adjust what they can but with some of the prices I've seen, I can't see this financial year
having a nice balance sheet. It's not gonna be like in the old days when a disappointing profit was USD400 million
for the year. They're seriously at risk.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:09 pm

Folks this is aviation. Please take political discussion to non aviation. If it is impossible to separate the two, discuss in non-aviation
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:52 pm

I just got to HK two days ago...

1. Concern about transiting in HKG? Disruption at the airport? Stop kidding me. The security if anything is almost overkill at the airport right now.
1b. Seriously, the airport was disrupted for two days, but it is a one time thing that was not repeated since.
2. Things are definitely calmer anyway. It is back to more similar to June/early July rather than the ugly August.
3. I laugh when people are concern about a few protesters starting fire. Seriously, if you live in any Western countries, the “violence” by the protesters is almost a joke.
4. Some route cuts are nothing more than seasonal adjustment. CDG to single daily? That’s every winter. KA cutting HND? They do that last winter also. Routes like KNO? It is just a new route that probably didn’t do that great.
5. CX is still expensive. We can talk when they actually dump cheap tickets onto the market.
6. Just another side note, in another thread it was mentioned that tourism dropped by 40%. Except that most of those are your mainland day-trippers who just come to HK to buy up daily goods.
 
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Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:24 am

Per @airlineroute HKG-SFO capacity will be reduced with 2 of 3 daily flights op with A359 instead of 77W effective 27 October. About 10% reduction in seats.

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute/status ... 6203765761
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:44 pm

HKG airport published its September figures. Pretty brutal results, with CX obviously taking the brunt of the downturn.

Flights: (-1.0%)
Local Pax: (-21.1%)
Total Pax: (-12.7%)
Cargo: (-6.2%)

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Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:43 pm

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HKG airport published its September figures. Pretty brutal results

TPE and SIN have got to be jumping for joy at all of this :(
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:12 pm

Its going to be bad for quite some time the way things are looking in HK, and CX will certainly have to consider additional cuts and cost savings at this rate.
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:00 pm

Too bad that HKG is suffering.
I was gonna go to MAA India via HKG early next year but I’m gonna go via SIN.

On another note HKG-DFW will never happen now.
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:30 am

Wonder how many months before we see significant cuts by additional airlines serving HKG. Such massive ~20% declines in demand to/from a market cant be sustained for too long before airlines pull the plug.
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texdravid wrote:
Too bad that HKG is suffering.
I was gonna go to MAA India via HKG early next year but I’m gonna go via SIN.

On another note HKG-DFW will never happen now.


There is already a HKG-DFW flight.

I was in HKG last week and it was pretty much fine. Every now and then you see a protestor go by and there was riot police in every subway station, but otherwise life went on. I wouldnt avoid flying CX personally.
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Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:07 am

I was hoping to see Cathay restart HKG-BKK-KHI and compete with Thai, but I guess that's out of the question anytime soon. Maybe CA or CZ will try it out of PEK/CAN? (CA has a triangle route via Islamabad, but no direct PEK-KHI flights.)

I feel so bad for Hong Kong, I know another Tiananmen is unlikely since there are too many cameras, but PRC can still do a lot of muscle-flexing and damage short of shooting protesters. I live in Vancouver which has a large population of both Hongkongers and Mainlanders so I have more than a few opinions about this matter, but those will have to wait for the Non-Aviation forum.
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:36 am

Things cant be too well at CX when they are advertising special fares between US and Australia. Talk about a detour

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_US/ ... fares.html

LAX-MEL via HKG :laughing:
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:49 am

mercure1 wrote:
Things cant be too well at CX when they are advertising special fares between US and Australia. Talk about a detour

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_US/ ... fares.html

LAX-MEL via HKG :laughing:


They've been running ads on radio here in MEL over the last couple of weeks advertising special fares. Still not the cheapest, but some destinations are good value. As a One World partner you do have the ability to earn points & status credits if you're a QF frequent flyer member, which is an important consideration for people here....

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_AU/ ... tions.html
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:03 am

mercure1 wrote:
Things cant be too well at CX when they are advertising special fares between US and Australia. Talk about a detour

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_US/ ... fares.html

LAX-MEL via HKG :laughing:


People will do it, just like people currently fly via Korea and Japan. People fly from Australia to London via NZ and the US.

However looking at something like MEL to NYC, CX has 3 flights a day out MEL

CX178 0045-0705 -> CX830 0915-1910 (JFK)
CX134 0830-1505 -> CX840 1605-2015(JFK)
-> CX890 1830-2210 (JFK)
-> CX846 1845-2245 (EWR)

CX104 1520-2150 -> CX880 0030-0700 (JFK)
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:49 am

leftcoast8 wrote:
I was hoping to see Cathay restart HKG-BKK-KHI and compete with Thai, but I guess that's out of the question anytime soon. Maybe CA or CZ will try it out of PEK/CAN? (CA has a triangle route via Islamabad, but no direct PEK-KHI flights.)

I feel so bad for Hong Kong, I know another Tiananmen is unlikely since there are too many cameras, but PRC can still do a lot of muscle-flexing and damage short of shooting protesters. I live in Vancouver which has a large population of both Hongkongers and Mainlanders so I have more than a few opinions about this matter, but those will have to wait for the Non-Aviation forum.


You never know. CX needs to tap other markets as a result of the slow down they are experiencing coupled with Thai airways that is struggling financially.

In addition to the usual HKG BKK KHI Why not try something different HKG SIN ISB as well.

The only reason TG holds the market from Pakistan to Bangkok is because there is no direct flight alternative
 
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Re: Cathay Pacific to cut capacity

Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:10 pm

LAXintl wrote:
HKG airport published its September figures. Pretty brutal results, with CX obviously taking the brunt of the downturn.

Flights: (-1.0%)
Local Pax: (-21.1%)
Total Pax: (-12.7%)
Cargo: (-6.2%)

(Total pax = arrival + departure + transfer)


As a tourist it was great: both flight legs my wife and I enjoyed the empty seat in the 3-3-3 A350. And no waiting line for the Peak Tram!
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