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B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Wed Sep 11, 2019 5:07 pm

an A321 from SDQ to MCO made an emergency landing at NAS due to fire or fumes not sure any one has any insight?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 6#220e9051
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:05 pm

Cargo fire warning, landed as a precaution. On the ground they received another warning and evacuated. Unclear if there was actually a fire.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:05 pm

 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:25 pm

Good to see NAS is open to receive aircraft
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:42 am

WayexTDI wrote:
Good to see NAS is open to receive aircraft


Still no commercial flights though.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:48 am

HP69 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Good to see NAS is open to receive aircraft


Still no commercial flights though.


I don’t think NAS ever closed for commercial flights. It’s certainly not closed now.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:54 am

N757ST wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Good to see NAS is open to receive aircraft


I don’t think NAS ever closed for commercial flights. It’s certainly not closed now.


It has been open for quite a few days (and if you go into the Dorian thread there are further details). It was closed by proxy for a brief period when the wind simply wasn't worth planes attempting to land but other than that it never officially closed.

HP69 wrote:
Still no commercial flights though.

Been open the whole time to commercial flights and by definition, B6's flight is a commercial flight.
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:02 am

alasizon wrote:
N757ST wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Good to see NAS is open to receive aircraft


I don’t think NAS ever closed for commercial flights. It’s certainly not closed now.


It has been open for quite a few days (and if you go into the Dorian thread there are further details). It was closed by proxy for a brief period when the wind simply wasn't worth planes attempting to land but other than that it never officially closed.

HP69 wrote:
Still no commercial flights though.

Been open the whole time to commercial flights and by definition, B6's flight is a commercial flight.

B6's flight was not a commercial flight into or out of NAS; it was a diversion.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:04 am

alasizon wrote:
N757ST wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Good to see NAS is open to receive aircraft


I don’t think NAS ever closed for commercial flights. It’s certainly not closed now.


It has been open for quite a few days (and if you go into the Dorian thread there are further details). It was closed by proxy for a brief period when the wind simply wasn't worth planes attempting to land but other than that it never officially closed.

HP69 wrote:
Still no commercial flights though.

Been open the whole time to commercial flights and by definition, B6's flight is a commercial flight.


Scheduled passenger operations versus emergency aircraft are two different things.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:47 am

Leftseatpusher wrote:
alasizon wrote:
N757ST wrote:

I don’t think NAS ever closed for commercial flights. It’s certainly not closed now.


It has been open for quite a few days (and if you go into the Dorian thread there are further details). It was closed by proxy for a brief period when the wind simply wasn't worth planes attempting to land but other than that it never officially closed.

HP69 wrote:
Still no commercial flights though.

Been open the whole time to commercial flights and by definition, B6's flight is a commercial flight.


Scheduled passenger operations versus emergency aircraft are two different things.

Exactly , in an emergency an airstrip is an airstrip , granted no debris or construction are active on the runway.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:01 am

HP69 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Good to see NAS is open to receive aircraft


Still no commercial flights though.


Incorrect.
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:27 am

Karlsands wrote:
Leftseatpusher wrote:
alasizon wrote:

Been open the whole time to commercial flights and by definition, B6's flight is a commercial flight.


Scheduled passenger operations versus emergency aircraft are two different things.

Exactly , in an emergency an airstrip is an airstrip , granted no debris or construction are active on the runway.


Doesn't change that it is still a commercial flight which was my point. Scheduled or emergency, the flight is still being operated as a commercial, not private, flight.
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:36 am

BWA900 wrote:
HP69 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Good to see NAS is open to receive aircraft


Still no commercial flights though.


Incorrect.


Geez, folks. Just look it up.

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/MYNN
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:02 am

HP69 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Good to see NAS is open to receive aircraft


Still no commercial flights though.


NAS never closed to commerical flights in the daytime, at all during hurricane Dorian. There was one nightly closure due to low visibility on Sept 2nd, but that would have impacted no one as no flights were scheduled to operate between the hours of 10pm-5am.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:37 am

It doesn't matter in an emergency if an airport is "open" to commercial flights or not. Any airplane has the right to land absolutely anywhere in an emergency, whether that's at a major airport (preferred), a private or closed airstrip (not preferred but ok) or even on a public beach (probably not what was on the pilots' wish list, but it has happened out of necessity). It's up to no one but the pilots to determine what's the best landing option for their particular airplane in an emergency. All that matters is what the pilots think offers the best outcome. If there's paperwork to file later because an airport is "closed to commercial flights", they will worry about that later.
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:00 am

In that case something that could matter is whether ARFF is operational, and of course is the runway cleared of potential hazards.
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:50 am

alasizon wrote:
Karlsands wrote:
Leftseatpusher wrote:

Scheduled passenger operations versus emergency aircraft are two different things.

Exactly , in an emergency an airstrip is an airstrip , granted no debris or construction are active on the runway.


Doesn't change that it is still a commercial flight which was my point. Scheduled or emergency, the flight is still being operated as a commercial, not private, flight.

And said flight landing at NAS was not part of its schedule. What's your point?
So, OK, NAS appears it was always open to commercial flights; but, had it been closed to said commercial flights, B6 would still have landed there during that emergency.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:01 am

catiii wrote:
Cargo fire warning, landed as a precaution.


Given the status of the Bahamas, wouldn't it be more suitable to divert POP - or even return to SDQ. It seems it happened midway between the Dominican Republic and the Bahamas - so there was a possibility to choose an alternative over NAS.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:30 am

debonair wrote:
catiii wrote:
Cargo fire warning, landed as a precaution.


Given the status of the Bahamas, wouldn't it be more suitable to divert POP - or even return to SDQ. It seems it happened midway between the Dominican Republic and the Bahamas - so there was a possibility to choose an alternative over NAS.


No because, again, NAS is open and fully operational.
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:27 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
alasizon wrote:
Karlsands wrote:
Exactly , in an emergency an airstrip is an airstrip , granted no debris or construction are active on the runway.


Doesn't change that it is still a commercial flight which was my point. Scheduled or emergency, the flight is still being operated as a commercial, not private, flight.

And said flight landing at NAS was not part of its schedule. What's your point?
So, OK, NAS appears it was always open to commercial flights; but, had it been closed to said commercial flights, B6 would still have landed there during that emergency.


Not necessarily. Most closed “to commercial aircraft” are done to provide relief flights etc. some are closed to damage etc, ergo it isn’t a suitable airport. If it’s closed to provide for relief flights than the aerodrome likely has the functioning emergency equipment under far 139. During an emergency the QRH always references a suitable airport, not any airport. Had NAS been closed and the runway available, landing with a fire indication with no ARFF available would often rule out NAS from being suitable, especially since there are alternatives to the airport within a short flying distance.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:35 pm

so what wa a reason of diversion?
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:44 pm

Armadillo1 wrote:
so what wa a reason of diversion?


Cargo fire indication.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:56 pm

I will only add that at present the only issue NAS has is that it is operating with 1 runway, the other is down for repair due back in service late November or December. Since the runway closure this is the second emergency, previous was a private jet loosing nose gear and going into the grass beside the runway, operations were stopped and flights held, diverted or ground stopped. If my memory is accurate it lasted for about 1 hour.
On the B6 diversion I hear they evacuated via slides, if done on the runway, operations would have been disrupted.
However, as stated by others, at the time of the diversion NAS was fully open for commercial traffic.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:57 pm

debonair wrote:
catiii wrote:
Cargo fire warning, landed as a precaution.


Given the status of the Bahamas, wouldn't it be more suitable to divert POP - or even return to SDQ. It seems it happened midway between the Dominican Republic and the Bahamas - so there was a possibility to choose an alternative over NAS.


When you have a fire indication. “Nearest suitable airport” means just that.

Put the plane on the ground, figure the rest out when your passengers and crew are safe.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:23 pm

Some of us need to look at a map. "The Bahamas" include many islands spread over a huge distance. As Dorian was rather compact, not everywhere in the Bahamas took the beating that Abaco or even Grand Bahama Island received. Nassau was not trashed nor was Eluthera Andros or Great Exuma.
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:28 pm

Armadillo1 wrote:
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a321-6859.htm


Iae issue?


Why would a cargo fire indication be caused by the engine type?
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:04 pm

no, if its about cargo, engines not involved
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:22 pm

debonair wrote:
catiii wrote:
Cargo fire warning, landed as a precaution.


Given the status of the Bahamas, wouldn't it be more suitable to divert POP - or even return to SDQ. It seems it happened midway between the Dominican Republic and the Bahamas - so there was a possibility to choose an alternative over NAS.


Let's reset the facts:

NAS is fully open and operational to commercial traffic. Commercial (i.e. scheduled airline service) operations have been in and out of NAS for many days now. "The status of the Bahamas" is irrelevant as Nassau and the surrounding area are perfectly open and capable of handling the diversion.

This flight experienced a cargo fire warning light, which necessitated a diversion to the nearest suitable airport. Since you weren't in the cockpit, and nor was I, it's imprudent to second guess the decision making because you don't know where they got the warning light, nor do you know what other factors from an operational standpoint came into play.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:23 pm

pdp wrote:
Armadillo1 wrote:
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a321-6859.htm


Iae issue?


Why would a cargo fire indication be caused by the engine type?


You're right. It wouldn't. Completely irrelevant what type of engines are on the airplane. It wasn't an engine issue.
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:28 pm

catiii wrote:
debonair wrote:
catiii wrote:
Cargo fire warning, landed as a precaution.


Given the status of the Bahamas, wouldn't it be more suitable to divert POP - or even return to SDQ. It seems it happened midway between the Dominican Republic and the Bahamas - so there was a possibility to choose an alternative over NAS.


Let's reset the facts:

NAS is fully open and operational to commercial traffic. Commercial (i.e. scheduled airline service) operations have been in and out of NAS for many days now. "The status of the Bahamas" is irrelevant as Nassau and the surrounding area are perfectly open and capable of handling the diversion.

This flight experienced a cargo fire warning light, which necessitated a diversion to the nearest suitable airport. Since you weren't in the cockpit, and nor was I, it's imprudent to second guess the decision making because you don't know where they got the warning light, nor do you know what other factors from an operational standpoint came into play.


Well said. It’s also important to remember that the aircraft has to descend before landing. So if they got the light right over NAS (which they likely did not here), MIA could well have been as good a choice as a diversion point because accounting for the distance required to descend, there would not have been any difference in flying time. That’s very hard to compute based on the publicly-available data after the fact.
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:30 pm

My question was based on flightaware; the landing into NAS looked like a standard, every day landing. There were no circles over NAS nor any rapid decent to divert into NAS, only a course change to west about half way to line up straight with NAS approach. :twocents:
 
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Re: B6 1706 emeregncy Landing At NAS

Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:04 am

debonair wrote:
My question was based on flightaware; the landing into NAS looked like a standard, every day landing. There were no circles over NAS nor any rapid decent to divert into NAS, only a course change to west about half way to line up straight with NAS approach. :twocents:


So if it was so standard, why even bring up going to POP or SDQ? Again, unless any of us were in the cockpit (and none of us were) we have no idea the inputs that led to diverting to a perfectly suitable NAS for a safe landing.

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