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SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:51 pm

Checking the database, SAS now has 3 737-600s left in the fleet. Does anyone know when they will be retired?

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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 6:56 pm

Circahead wrote:
Checking the database, SAS now has 3 737-600s left in the fleet. Does anyone know when they will be retired?

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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:38 pm

Where are they going to be scrapped?
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:50 pm

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Where are they going to be scrapped?


Looks like most ended their days at RAF St. Athans, with one or two going to Victorville or Lourdes.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:44 pm

It's a shame..Isnt there a market for them.like there was for the 735? I mean there are still 733s flying that are 30yrs old..These 736 must be younger and with a lot of life left to be utilised
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:07 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
It's a shame..Isnt there a market for them.like there was for the 735? I mean there are still 733s flying that are 30yrs old..These 736 must be younger and with a lot of life left to be utilised



Most probably it’s worth more as spare parts for 737-800s instead.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:11 pm

Maybe one will end up in Iran.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:34 pm

Just flew LN-RGK two weeks ago LED-ARN, quite the time warp. The back galley layout and the corner bathroom made for an exciting hop over to Sweden for an av geek. It was a great change from all the 320 / 787 / 777 flights I'm usually on.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:16 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
It's a shame..Isnt there a market for them.like there was for the 735? I mean there are still 733s flying that are 30yrs old..These 736 must be younger and with a lot of life left to be utilised


The 736 has always been a niche airplane because of its weight relative to the number of passengers it can carry. Boeing hasn't built one since 2006 and hasn't marketed it since 2012. Most of SAS's former 736s have already been scrapped, which will probably be the fate of the remaining ones as well. Westjet is just about the only one left that operates them in significant numbers. JANET has a handful and Air Algeria has a few, but that's about it.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:44 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
It's a shame..Isnt there a market for them.like there was for the 735? I mean there are still 733s flying that are 30yrs old..These 736 must be younger and with a lot of life left to be utilised

The 736 is heavier than the 735. I have heard that this makes it less desirable for shorter routes. I'm sure there are some routes that the 736 is good for. Maybe PDX-BOS.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:48 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
It's a shame..Isnt there a market for them.like there was for the 735? I mean there are still 733s flying that are 30yrs old..These 736 must be younger and with a lot of life left to be utilised

The 736 is heavier than the 735. I have heard that this makes it less desirable for shorter routes. I'm sure there are some routes that the 736 is good for. Maybe PDX-BOS.


Not even that - the operational cost of a 737-700 isnt that much higher and has more revenue potential. Same reason the a318 flopped too.
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:18 am

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marcogr12 wrote:
Westjet is just about the only one left that operates them in significant numbers. JANET has a handful and Air Algeria has a few, but that's about it.

69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:45 am

BasilFawlty wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Westjet is just about the only one left that operates them in significant numbers. JANET has a handful and Air Algeria has a few, but that's about it.

69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.


Westjet has 15 I believe.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:59 am

BasilFawlty wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Westjet is just about the only one left that operates them in significant numbers. JANET has a handful and Air Algeria has a few, but that's about it.

69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.


It is sort of ironic that when SAS bought the B736 instead of the MD95 (B717) it was a major blow to the latter program, yet there are more B717s still in front-line service today. SAS needed a short-haul plane to replace DC9's, but opted for the B736 due to its longer range thinking they might need it for occasional weekend holiday flights to the Med and Canaries. I wonder if their fleet planners regretted that decision?
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:42 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
BasilFawlty wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:

69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.


It is sort of ironic that when SAS bought the B736 instead of the MD95 (B717) it was a major blow to the latter program, yet there are more B717s still in front-line service today. SAS needed a short-haul plane to replace DC9's, but opted for the B736 due to its longer range thinking they might need it for occasional weekend holiday flights to the Med and Canaries. I wonder if their fleet planners regretted that decision?

Do the commonality savings make up for the increased fuel consumption of the 736?
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:43 am

HP69 wrote:
BasilFawlty wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:

69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.


Westjet has 15 I believe.


And there will be an exodus of aviation enthusiasts booking flights on them when WestJet announces their retirement. Myself included :old:
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 1:50 am

Sad to see them go I'm glad I had to chance to fly on a SK 736 last year. I flew TRD-BOO-TOS on LN-RRY. The preceding flight OSL-TRD was also supposed to be a 737-600, but was subbed to a 737-700 last minute.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:01 am

Flew one OSL-CPH back in 13 to cap off my riding all of the 73 series...re-upped with WS back in Jan on YYC-YVR for good measure. I think the 736 is the best looking of all 737’s.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:23 am

blacksoviet wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
It's a shame..Isnt there a market for them.like there was for the 735? I mean there are still 733s flying that are 30yrs old..These 736 must be younger and with a lot of life left to be utilised

The 736 is heavier than the 735. I have heard that this makes it less desirable for shorter routes. I'm sure there are some routes that the 736 is good for. Maybe PDX-BOS.

The 736 has a larger wing and more powerful engines. So apart from the 735 shared fuselage dimension it is an entirely different plane.

The 736 did good service, also on northern Scandinavian often short runways, which during those nine months which we call winter are more often seriously contaminated than not. Over the last couple of decades some of those runways have been improved, reducing the need for the specialized plane.

Most (if not all) SAS 736s were registered with much reduced MTOW to save on airport fees. Consequently they were only suitable for short haul.
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:30 am

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FLALEFTY wrote:
BasilFawlty wrote:
69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.


It is sort of ironic that when SAS bought the B736 instead of the MD95 (B717) it was a major blow to the latter program, yet there are more B717s still in front-line service today. SAS needed a short-haul plane to replace DC9's, but opted for the B736 due to its longer range thinking they might need it for occasional weekend holiday flights to the Med and Canaries. I wonder if their fleet planners regretted that decision?

Do the commonality savings make up for the increased fuel consumption of the 736?


In the mid-1990's SAS was in a hurry to replace a large DC-9 fleet, which wouldn't meet upcoming European noise regulations. In the mid-late 1990's they bought the Boeing 737NG's, but they also operated a fleet of MD80's in parallel. They did not add the B737-700/800's until a few years after taking their first deliveries of the -600's. And just a few years later, SAS began adding A319's/320's, too. Was fleet commonality a goal by choosing the B736? Perhaps conceptually, but it did not work that way in practice.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:43 am

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blacksoviet wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
It's a shame..Isnt there a market for them.like there was for the 735? I mean there are still 733s flying that are 30yrs old..These 736 must be younger and with a lot of life left to be utilised

The 736 is heavier than the 735. I have heard that this makes it less desirable for shorter routes. I'm sure there are some routes that the 736 is good for. Maybe PDX-BOS.


Not even that - the operational cost of a 737-700 isnt that much higher and has more revenue potential.


That's why Continental decided not to buy it. Too few seats, too heavy for its size and too high CASM.

The reason SAS was very interested in it when Boeing launched it back in the 90s is its capability to take off and land on short runways, that was what attracted SAS because they always needed a short haul aircraft for cold weather operations on short runways in Scandinavia. Remember back in the days when they were flying DC-9s, they made a special request to Mc Donnell Douglas to build a DC-9-20 for them, a DC-9-10 with improved performance so that it could operate out of short runways in Northern Europe. Only SAS flew the DC-9-20.

I have flown on a 600 once in my whole life, with Westjet from YYZ to LGA two years ago. I flew on a 700 outbound LGA-YYZ and back to LGA it was a 600. I was lucky to fly on one, because not many of them were built as stated previously, and only Westjet flies them in the whole of North America. Janet doesn't count. It was, for me, a once in a lifetime opportunity to fly on a 600. I doubt I will ever fly on one again.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:17 am

Has the E195-E2 replaced the 736 in Boeing's lineup?
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:06 am

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November 29th at the moment, Arlanda to Skellefteå.

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Got the chance to catch LN-RRP on ARN-CDG in july. Was a bit worry of a last minute change but got lucky
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:36 am

Initially SAS ordered 35 -600 plus the same amount of options. And took delivery of totalt 30 -600s. The rest, including the options, was later converted into -700 and -800

Had many flights on the -600 to/from OSL, but have probably had my last flight on one

Since the -600 arrived the traffic has grown significant and SAS has replaced them with a mix of A320neo and CRJ-900. And of course using their -700 and -800 on former -600 routes
 
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Initially SAS ordered 35 -600 plus the same amount of options. And took delivery of totalt 30 -600s. The rest, including the options, was later converted into -700 and -800

Had many flights on the -600 to/from OSL, but have probably had my last flight on one

Since the -600 arrived the traffic has grown significant and SAS has replaced them with a mix of A320neo and CRJ-900. And of course using their -700 and -800 on former -600 routes

How does the CRJ-900 perform on short runways?
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:59 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Initially SAS ordered 35 -600 plus the same amount of options. And took delivery of totalt 30 -600s. The rest, including the options, was later converted into -700 and -800

Had many flights on the -600 to/from OSL, but have probably had my last flight on one

Since the -600 arrived the traffic has grown significant and SAS has replaced them with a mix of A320neo and CRJ-900. And of course using their -700 and -800 on former -600 routes

How does the CRJ-900 perform on short runways?


Don’t know, but most runways in Norway that sees jet operations are more than long enough. The whole thing about the -600 needed for short runways in Scandinavia is more or less a myth
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:15 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
BasilFawlty wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:

69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.


It is sort of ironic that when SAS bought the B736 instead of the MD95 (B717) it was a major blow to the latter program, yet there are more B717s still in front-line service today. SAS needed a short-haul plane to replace DC9's, but opted for the B736 due to its longer range thinking they might need it for occasional weekend holiday flights to the Med and Canaries. I wonder if their fleet planners regretted that decision?


In 2001, SAS tried to sell their Boeing 737-600s. In the end, Boeing was successful to win SAS as the 737-600 launching customer, but my impression is, that the 737-600 was not the wisest choice.

I don´t think, that runway-performance was that important anymore, when the Boeing 737-600 was selected. Even the performance of the DC-9-21 was no longer needed when the aircraft was introduced, because most airports for these services were already improved to enable flights with ordinary DC-9s. Thus, SAS operated the DC-9-21 alongside their DC-9-40s and not really to a limited number of airports with short runways.

The 737-600 was originally not evaluated according to my researches. The Fokker 100, Avro RJ, and MD-95 were evaluated and the A319 was described as a very good aircraft, but too big to be used as a 100/110-seater. McDonnell Douglas also agreed to offer the MD-95 with cockpits similar to SAS´s MD-80s and in many other aspects and areas. McDonnell Douglas sized and shaped the MD-95 to the needs of SAS.

The decision to order the Boeing 737-600 in March 1995, was a major blow to McDonnell Douglas. The MD-95 was (at that time) optimized for SAS and several changes were made, after SAS decided to take the very attractive offer from Boeing for up to 70 737NG´s.

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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

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Someone83 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Initially SAS ordered 35 -600 plus the same amount of options. And took delivery of totalt 30 -600s. The rest, including the options, was later converted into -700 and -800

Had many flights on the -600 to/from OSL, but have probably had my last flight on one

Since the -600 arrived the traffic has grown significant and SAS has replaced them with a mix of A320neo and CRJ-900. And of course using their -700 and -800 on former -600 routes

How does the CRJ-900 perform on short runways?


Don’t know, but most runways in Norway that sees jet operations are more than long enough. The whole thing about the -600 needed for short runways in Scandinavia is more or less a myth


And anything that can't serve a CRJ will just get an ATR instead.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:41 am

VSMUT wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
How does the CRJ-900 perform on short runways?


Don’t know, but most runways in Norway that sees jet operations are more than long enough. The whole thing about the -600 needed for short runways in Scandinavia is more or less a myth


And anything that can't serve a CRJ will just get an ATR instead.

I doubt that SAS will send the ATR's to Norway again. They tried with Jettime a few years ago, and it went horribly wrong.
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:16 am

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Someone83 wrote:

Don’t know, but most runways in Norway that sees jet operations are more than long enough. The whole thing about the -600 needed for short runways in Scandinavia is more or less a myth


And anything that can't serve a CRJ will just get an ATR instead.

I doubt that SAS will send the ATR's to Norway again. They tried with Jettime a few years ago, and it went horribly wrong.


How so?

DAT has flown ATRs in Norway without issues.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:28 am

VSMUT wrote:
SASViking wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

And anything that can't serve a CRJ will just get an ATR instead.

I doubt that SAS will send the ATR's to Norway again. They tried with Jettime a few years ago, and it went horribly wrong.


How so?

DAT has flown ATRs in Norway without issues.

They had severe issues with high winds, especially on the "coast-hopper" SVG-BGO-TRD/AES.
They also had a severe icing incident where the pilots lost control of the aircraft:
http://avherald.com/h?article=4a132607
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:30 am

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VSMUT wrote:
SASViking wrote:
I doubt that SAS will send the ATR's to Norway again. They tried with Jettime a few years ago, and it went horribly wrong.


How so?

DAT has flown ATRs in Norway without issues.

They had severe issues with high winds, especially on the "coast-hopper" SVG-BGO-TRD/AES.
They also had a severe icing incident where the pilots lost control of the aircraft:
http://avherald.com/h?article=4a132607


Can't speak for the wind thing, but rumour has it that the icing pilots weren't the sharpest tools out there.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:49 am

MD80 wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
BasilFawlty wrote:
69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.


It is sort of ironic that when SAS bought the B736 instead of the MD95 (B717) it was a major blow to the latter program, yet there are more B717s still in front-line service today. SAS needed a short-haul plane to replace DC9's, but opted for the B736 due to its longer range thinking they might need it for occasional weekend holiday flights to the Med and Canaries. I wonder if their fleet planners regretted that decision?


In 2001, SAS tried to sell their Boeing 737-600s. In the end, Boeing was successful to win SAS as the 737-600 launching customer, but my impression is, that the 737-600 was not the wisest choice.

I don´t think, that runway-performance was that important anymore, when the Boeing 737-600 was selected. Even the performance of the DC-9-21 was no longer needed when the aircraft was introduced, because most airports for these services were already improved to enable flights with ordinary DC-9s. Thus, SAS operated the DC-9-21 alongside their DC-9-40s and not really to a limited number of airports with short runways.

The 737-600 was originally not evaluated according to my researches. The Fokker 100, Avro RJ, and MD-95 were evaluated and the A319 was described as a very good aircraft, but too big to be used as a 100/110-seater. McDonnell Douglas also agreed to offer the MD-95 with cockpits similar to SAS´s MD-80s and in many other aspects and areas. McDonnell Douglas sized and shaped the MD-95 to the needs of SAS.

The decision to order the Boeing 737-600 in March 1995, was a major blow to McDonnell Douglas. The MD-95 was (at that time) optimized for SAS and several changes were made, after SAS decided to take the very attractive offer from Boeing for up to 70 737NG´s.

Regards


This is spot on. I remember a news story about why SAS choose the 737-600 over the MD-95. At the time of purchase SAS leadership explained the decision that fuel cost was less of a cost than ownership cost and Boeing offered such a great deal that the cost of ownership would be less than the MD-95. Plus the risk of MDC going bankrupt.
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:50 am

VSMUT wrote:
SASViking wrote:
VSMUT wrote:

How so?

DAT has flown ATRs in Norway without issues.

They had severe issues with high winds, especially on the "coast-hopper" SVG-BGO-TRD/AES.
They also had a severe icing incident where the pilots lost control of the aircraft:
http://avherald.com/h?article=4a132607


Can't speak for the wind thing, but rumour has it that the icing pilots weren't the sharpest tools out there.

I've heard the same thing but I don't know whether it's true or not.
SAS generally don't re-introduce an aircraft on routes/in countries where they have had a bad reputation by the passengers and/or the press. It's a bit like the Dash-8 albeit on a smaller scale.
Another issue they had was the schedule. They often struggled with being on time. However that was mainly a fault by Jettime and the ground crews. They struggled with the 20-minute turnaround times that they had.
I believe that if SAS wanted the ATR's in Norway, except for the AAL/BLL-OSL flights, they would have done it when they måde the deal with Nordica/Regional Jet
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 12:10 pm

Maybe EG&G (Janet) will buy them for parts of to add to their fleet.
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Maybe EG&G (Janet) will buy them for parts of to add to their fleet.


Doubtful. They are likely already sold to a specialist who deals in parting out aircraft and selling spares. I doubt there are very many 737-600 specific parts anyway. They could just as easily end up on any other 737NG.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:18 pm

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Maybe EG&G (Janet) will buy them for parts of to add to their fleet.


There's no shortage of 737NG parts out there and I doubt there are many 736 specific parts that would make these attractive to them.
 
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69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.


Westjet has 15 I believe.


Westjet has 13 B736s in the fleet!!
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:40 pm

Oh dear, fortunately I managed to catch a flight with an SK 736 CPH-ARN in 2013. Wish I had flown it more though.
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:20 pm

I flew on it two yrs ago Loved the powerful takeoff of such a small B737...But Boeing messed things up with the 736 and the 717..They should jave focused on the latter instead of killing it having sth lighter and more economical on the 100-120seat category..Now they have nothing..sorry..they have Embraer
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:37 pm

Never had a chance to get on the baby 737. Another unique bird to history.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:20 am

IAmGaroott wrote:
HP69 wrote:
BasilFawlty wrote:
69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5.


Westjet has 15 I believe.


And there will be an exodus of aviation enthusiasts booking flights on them when WestJet announces their retirement. Myself included :old:


I just booked my flight on the 736 for November 23rd between Stockholm and Oslo :bouncy: Really hoping they don't do an equipment change at the last minute :D
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:47 am

I would guess the Janet (EG&G) 736s will be around for a long time and be the last ones flying. They don't get many hours on them due to short flights. They do get a fair amount of cycles but less than most airline aircraft. Because of the short flights they usually only go up to medium altitudes 18-22,000. The lower altitudes reduces the stress on the pressurized airframe compared to cycling up to normal airline ops at 30,000+, so metal fatigue should not become an issue. With the large fleet of 737NG in the world that will be retiring over the next decade parts availability won't be an issue. Janet could be operating these planes easily into the 2030-2040 time frame.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:47 pm

The B736 is a pig. Landing in side wind and in turbulence is awful. Many barf bags has been filled on board the "piglet". I have been in the last row, first row and all in between - 0C is the best seat in the house compared with headache you get on the last row. Most times I have flown with the B736 the top level has been +FL300 even on short hops like OSL-HAU (344 km according to gcmap.com). The B736 has been flown hard and has at times flown wing to wing and SAS B736 and won the race most times over the Norwegian B738. Some of the SAS pilot I have talked about the go cart feeling - almost like the DC-9 Sport (DC-9-21). I'm glad it's almost gone and look forward to A320neos.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:51 pm

I love flying the 736, but the cost per passenger versus a 738 isn't manageable. With the A220 production finally starting to accelerate, aI expect displacement quickly. How the last few survived versus the E190 smazes me. Versus the newer competition, they won't last long. Cest la vie.

Seriously, these compete versus the E2-195 or A220-100. Absolutely no competition.

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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:58 pm

Got to ride in a WestJet 737-600 a couple of years ago.

I don't think they'll be holding onto them for too much longer - it looked fairly tired. I'm guessing they'll keep the -600s going until the MAX is back in service, but I can't imagine they'll be there much longer than that.

The -600 always had funny proportions to me - far too stubby and the tail was oversized.
 
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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:55 pm

wave46 wrote:
Got to ride in a WestJet 737-600 a couple of years ago.

I don't think they'll be holding onto them for too much longer - it looked fairly tired. I'm guessing they'll keep the -600s going until the MAX is back in service, but I can't imagine they'll be there much longer than that.

The -600 always had funny proportions to me - far too stubby and the tail was oversized.


Not too sure about that; word is that Westjet will be refurbishing the -600 interiors along with most (all) the other NG fleet - at least according to talk on here. Somehow, they seem to find them workable enough in their network. I guess the odds are good that WS will be the last operator of this type.

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Re: SAS 737-600 Retirement

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:02 pm

Jean Leloup wrote:
wave46 wrote:
Got to ride in a WestJet 737-600 a couple of years ago.

I don't think they'll be holding onto them for too much longer - it looked fairly tired. I'm guessing they'll keep the -600s going until the MAX is back in service, but I can't imagine they'll be there much longer than that.

The -600 always had funny proportions to me - far too stubby and the tail was oversized.


Not too sure about that; word is that Westjet will be refurbishing the -600 interiors along with most (all) the other NG fleet - at least according to talk on here. Somehow, they seem to find them workable enough in their network. I guess the odds are good that WS will be the last operator of this type.

JL


Interesting. I guess there is a pretty big hole between the Q400 and the 737-700 in their fleet, so maybe keeping them isn't the worst idea, especially as they're owned outright.

The one I flew on must have been one that hasn't been refurbished.

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