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Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:33 pm

"An American aerospace company studying sites for a new factory is talking with a city in British Columbia about a potential $622 million factory that would employ up to 10,000 workers.

The potential deal was outlined city of Abbotsford report prepared by economic development for a Sept. 17 meeting of the city's business innovation growth and attraction committee.

The report did not identify the interested company, did state that during the past three months, the city's staff have been engaged with a "U.S. firm currently in their site selection period is considering Abbotsford as a Canadian site for development for manufacturing plant."

"Depending on which of two options they choose, this opportunity could be $125 million investment and 7,000 new jobs or $830 million investment and 10,000+ new jobs," the report said, quoting figures in Canadian dollars. "Next round of engagement is due to occur in January 2020.""

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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:37 pm

Perhaps Airbus USA building more A220s in Canada? Could be Boom as you say... interesting development non the less to me as I grew up in Langley, not far away.
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:43 pm

Is Boom selling enough aircraft to keep 10,000 people employed?
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:22 pm

NameOmitted wrote:
Is Boom selling enough aircraft to keep 10,000 people employed?


Well, its says "Depending on which of two options they choose, this opportunity could be $125 million investment and 7,000 new jobs or $830 million investment and 10,000+ new jobs," so sounds more like optimistic sales outlook and best case scenarios.

But honestly I don't feel like it can be Boom, even best case I find it hard to see them employing 10000+.

Boeing NMA production makes a lot more sense... Boeing maybe trying to make PR amends in Canada and cheaper workforce than WA but within easy logistical access of Seattle area plants already in existence. A FAL-only site (final assembly only, IE Renton 737 or Mobile A220 type) could theoretically employ 7000 "locally", a more fully integrated production facility (IE Charleston) could easily exceed 10000 "locally" if the NMA takes off like expected.
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:24 pm

Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, it is probably a 2nd or 3rd tier supplier rather than any 1st tear engine or airframe oem.

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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:32 pm

NameOmitted wrote:
Is Boom selling enough aircraft to keep 10,000 people employed?


they dont even have thier demonstrator built...
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:46 pm

AirbusCanada wrote:
Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, it is probably a 2nd or 3rd tier supplier rather than any 1st tear engine or airframe oem.

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That doesn't fit the dollar or employee amounts... The A220 line in Mobile for example is estimated at $250-350 million in construction and start up costs... What 3rd tier supplier center comes even close to even $125 million? Much less $830 million?
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:47 pm

This makes sense that it'll be Boeing. Boeing's headquarters is in Everett which is closer to the Vancouver Metro Area than Downtown Seattle. I went by car from Abbotsford to Seattle and the drive from Abbotsford to Everett takes about 2 hours. Which company wouldn't want to be close to their corporate headquarters?
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:52 pm

YYZORD wrote:
This makes sense that it'll be Boeing. Boeing's headquarters is in Everett which is closer to the Vancouver Metro Area than Downtown Seattle. I went by car from Abbotsford to Seattle and the drive from Abbotsford to Everett takes about 2 hours. Which company wouldn't want to be close to their corporate headquarters?


Just to correct, Boeing's headquarters is in Chicago. But they have several manufacturing facilities in the Seattle area including Everett.
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:56 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
This makes sense that it'll be Boeing. Boeing's headquarters is in Everett which is closer to the Vancouver Metro Area than Downtown Seattle. I went by car from Abbotsford to Seattle and the drive from Abbotsford to Everett takes about 2 hours. Which company wouldn't want to be close to their corporate headquarters?


Just to correct, Boeing's headquarters is in Chicago. But they have several manufacturing facilities in the Seattle area including Everett.


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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:07 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
This makes sense that it'll be Boeing. Boeing's headquarters is in Everett which is closer to the Vancouver Metro Area than Downtown Seattle. I went by car from Abbotsford to Seattle and the drive from Abbotsford to Everett takes about 2 hours. Which company wouldn't want to be close to their corporate headquarters?


Just to correct, Boeing's headquarters is in Chicago. But they have several manufacturing facilities in the Seattle area including Everett.


PAE is also a lot closer to SEA than YVR.
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:44 pm

Yep everett is 26 miles from downtown seattle and 86 from canadian border lol
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:55 pm

NameOmitted wrote:
Is Boom selling enough aircraft to keep 10,000 people employed?


Yeah I wondered how an Aircraft maker can open up a facility in a completely new location and employ that many people quickly. Look at Airbus's Mobile facility for example: built at a cost of around $600 million and said to employ up to around 1000 workers when it achieves full capacity.
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:22 pm

YYZORD wrote:
This makes sense that it'll be Boeing. Boeing's headquarters is in Everett which is closer to the Vancouver Metro Area than Downtown Seattle. I went by car from Abbotsford to Seattle and the drive from Abbotsford to Everett takes about 2 hours. Which company wouldn't want to be close to their corporate headquarters?


The Boeing International HQ is in Chicago (as was pointed out) but if you’re thinking of Boeing Commercial Airplanes then they’re still headquartered in Seattle, not Everett
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:14 pm

ssteve wrote:
northstardc4m wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
This makes sense that it'll be Boeing. Boeing's headquarters is in Everett which is closer to the Vancouver Metro Area than Downtown Seattle. I went by car from Abbotsford to Seattle and the drive from Abbotsford to Everett takes about 2 hours. Which company wouldn't want to be close to their corporate headquarters?


Just to correct, Boeing's headquarters is in Chicago. But they have several manufacturing facilities in the Seattle area including Everett.


PAE is also a lot closer to SEA than YVR.


Sorry my wording was wrong, I mean't to say that Everett is more closer to the Canadian Border than Downtown Seattle to Canadian border when you account traffic.
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:17 pm

Sorry, but what are these for numbers? 7.000 jobs for 125 million $? To sew seat covers by hand for the passenger seats?

A small FAL alone (for 5 jets/month narrowbody) will cost something around 300 to 500 million and will give jobs for 400 staff. A big full production FAL for 10 jets/month (narrowbody) and 1000 max. new jobs is something around 600 millions.

[Ironic on]For 125 million $ in best case, 7000 people can be equipped with brush, cleaning cloth, bucket and vacuum cleaner and can start to clean the passenger cabins of jets globally. And this can be than called "American airlines service company"[/ironic off]
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:21 pm

Maybe a rotary wing company? Costs won't be cheaper then Washington state I'm sure
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:21 pm

T4thH wrote:
Sorry, but what are these for numbers? 7.000 jobs for 125 million $? To sew seat covers by hand for the passenger seats?

A small FAL alone (for 5 jets/month narrowbody) will cost something around 300 to 500 million and will give jobs for 400 staff. A big full production FAL for 10 jets/month (narrowbody) and 1000 max. new jobs is something around 600 millions.

[Ironic on]For 125 million $ in best case, 7000 people can be equipped with brush, cleaning cloth, bucket and vacuum cleaner and can start to clean the passenger cabins of jets globally. And this can be than called "American airlines service company"[/ironic off]


lol, right. Call me skeptical too. To quote Airbus on their entire Toulouse operations: "Airbus in Toulouse employs some 16,000 people: around 11,000 in the five Airbus Operations SAS sites and 5,000 in Airbus Central Entity, the headquarters."

Putting up a facility that gets 10,000 people to work in it sounds like a scale of operations that significantly rivals Airbus's Toulouse operations...

Edit: Hamburg has about 12,500 employees.
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:30 pm

Does BC has a history of pay-to-play incentives on the scale of Alabama or South Carolina? Is this being rumored just to pull the Quebecois into the game big time?
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:42 pm

Could this be part of a company's bid for the Canadian Jet Fighter RFP ? There is a requirement for Canadian-based suppliers in that bid, although the Liberal govt just re-wrote the spec at the request of the US govt so that the F35 would not be discriminated against in this regard.
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:05 am

Those huge windows on their supersonic aircraft drawings just tell me they more a marketing company than one than can engineer a supersonic aircraft.
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Fri Sep 13, 2019 2:51 am

452QX wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
This makes sense that it'll be Boeing. Boeing's headquarters is in Everett which is closer to the Vancouver Metro Area than Downtown Seattle. I went by car from Abbotsford to Seattle and the drive from Abbotsford to Everett takes about 2 hours. Which company wouldn't want to be close to their corporate headquarters?


The Boeing International HQ is in Chicago (as was pointed out) but if you’re thinking of Boeing Commercial Airplanes then they’re still headquartered in Seattle, not Everett


Might as well pile on...BCA HQ is in Renton, not Everett. ;)
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:46 am

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
Yep everett is 26 miles from downtown seattle and 86 from canadian border lol


Yes, but in terms of time during rush hour...it's not so different, so long as border wait times swing your way. People commute down to Everett from Bellingham in about the time it may take to get from Everett to Seattle.

fairk wrote:
Could this be part of a company's bid for the Canadian Jet Fighter RFP ? There is a requirement for Canadian-based suppliers in that bid, although the Liberal govt just re-wrote the spec at the request of the US govt so that the F35 would not be discriminated against in this regard.


I don't think it would be the F-35. The F-35 global ecosystem is set in stone (mostly - the Turks could chime in on that one!). A new FAL for F-35 would require the global system of contracts to be massaged, which probably won't happen.
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:11 am

Hmmm.... Could be Boeing for the NMA.... Could be Boom, except I don't think they have the $5-10 Billion lined up yet to progress to that level (but would be amazingly good if it was Boom).

I don't think its Airbus... but, it might be (they are looking to become more efficient - and perhaps the answer is a new moving assembly line from scratch and then rebuilding other locations once it's up and running.

I think its a bit big for Viking (DHC1-DHC7) and its partner producing the DHC8 (Q400)... but, it's plausible as a replacement for the current facilities if new Q400 sales occur.

Interesting Speculation: Might it be the Chinese C929 or similar. One way to help get it certified in the West. Likely a lot of redesign and rework... But could be....

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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Fri Sep 13, 2019 6:42 am

Could it be another Boeing–Embraer FAL for the E2 Jets and future products?
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:54 am

https://www.abbynews.com/news/analysis-massive-aerospace-plant-far-from-certain-but-would-reshape-abbotsford/#

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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:56 am

How many F-18 would Canada want? And what would Boeing's existing F-18 factory build in the future?
 
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:06 am

That's a gigantic amount of people, there is no way it's to make low production numbers fighter aircraft or hypothetical supersonic dreamliners. Even car factories nowadays don't have that many people !
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Re: Boeing, Boom Supersonic or ??? looking to open a big factory in British Columbia

Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:12 pm

Just to explore another avenue, what if the American aviation company in question is something like GE or Raytheon, and the plant is for more then their aviation holdings?

Canada may simply become a safer bet for assembling things with a large foreign content
 
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