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Ciudad Real CQM back in operation, Solar Impulse-based aircraft to be developed there

Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:31 pm

From today, 12 September, Ciudad Real airport is back in operation, after about 8 years of inactivity.

To commemorate it, its new parent company chartered 9H-MTF to land in the reopened runway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_lyiQDoCZg
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... f#22132279

I know many of you just know the airport for its previous flop, but new management, even if they seem to take things slowly, are following a different approach. The airport is not marketed anymore as an alternative to Madrid Barajas MAD, but wants to develop itself as an industrial hub.

In this direction, yesterday, Skydweller, one of the first companies to settle in the reopened airport, announced an agreement with Solar Impulse to develop a new aircraft based on SI-2.
https://skydweller.aero/news/
 
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Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:55 pm

Is there any plan to go for passenger flights, or are they focussing solely on things like general aviation, maintenance and aircraft engineering ?
 
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Re: Ciudad Real CQM back in operation, Solar Impulse-based aircraft to be developed there

Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:21 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Is there any plan to go for passenger flights, or are they focussing solely on things like general aviation, maintenance and aircraft engineering ?


They say it is out of their current focus, but might try in the future if an airline is interested in the airport and does not require subsidies from it.

Anyways, lately they have been pointing at low-cost transatlantic flying, so they could have some plans for that. But given the state of the main players in the market -Primera, WOW, Norwegian- I wonder what the possibilities of this could be.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:17 pm

albertocsc wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Is there any plan to go for passenger flights, or are they focussing solely on things like general aviation, maintenance and aircraft engineering ?


They say it is out of their current focus, but might try in the future if an airline is interested in the airport and does not require subsidies from it.

Anyways, lately they have been pointing at low-cost transatlantic flying, so they could have some plans for that. But given the state of the main players in the market -Primera, WOW, Norwegian- I wonder what the possibilities of this could be.


To quote you.

''But given the state of the main players in the market -Primera, WOW, Norwegian- I wonder what the possibilities could be''.

FYI Primera and WOW are no longer in operation so you can totally discount those two airline's as they are definitely NOT main players in the market!

The only main players in the market are Level and Norwegian and I can't see either of those airline's considering starting transatlantic flights from Ciudad Real especially the latter considering it's current state.
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Re: Ciudad Real CQM back in operation, Solar Impulse-based aircraft to be developed there

Sat Sep 14, 2019 4:59 pm

Cunard wrote:


FYI Primera and WOW are no longer in operation so you can totally discount those two airline's as they are definitely NOT main players in the market!

The only main players in the market are Level and Norwegian and I can't see either of those airline's considering starting transatlantic flights from Ciudad Real especially the latter considering it's current state.


That was exactly my point...

To be honest, the only airlines I can see operating to CQM in the near future are Wizz Air, Blue Air, flyOne and the likes to Romania and Moldova. Everything else in scheduled passenger operations will be very complicated.


At the moment, there are agreements with Skydweller
for manufactoring of solar drones, and another one with HLA for aircraft maintenance ( https://www.lainformacion.com/economia- ... 978202736/ ). This last one was signed three years ago so there are rumours of it being cancelled, but also there were some HLA hi-vizes in the (re) inaugural flight ceremony, so let's see how it goes.
 
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Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:22 pm

According to the INE, there are 168k foreigners in Castilla La Mancha. Of those the largest community by far is that of Romanians with 70k (Morocco has 31k and Bulgaria 6k). Moldova has 676 citizens btw. Aragón has 50k Romanians and flights to Cluj and Bucharest on Wizz Air. Castellón has 40k Romanians and Blue Air and Wizz Air to OTP.

CASTILLA - LA MANCHA Total foreigners 168,112
Albacete 23,985
Ciudad Real 31,078
Cuenca 20,041
Guadalajara 30,921
Toledo 62,087


CASTILLA - LA MANCHA Total Romanians 70,378
Albacete 7,268
Ciudad Real 16,059
Cuenca 10,587
Guadalajara 12,185
Toledo 24,279


Toledo has the most foreigners and Romanians. But Toledo is almost part of the Madrid greater metropolitan area (MAD is much closer than CQM), as well as Guadalajara (which is only 50km to MAD). Cuenca is closer to MAD than to CQM, and Albacete is closer to VLC than to CQM. That is from capitals; maybe from villages is a different story. So really CQM in a natural way could not capture most of the regional traffic.

So I could see Wizz Air, Ryanair or Blue Air to Romania if heavily subsidised (like in ZAZ or CDT) and if they can attract Romanians from the whole region instead of going to Madrid where they have way more frequencies and destinations.
 
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Re: Ciudad Real CQM back in operation, Solar Impulse-based aircraft to be developed there

Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:07 pm

Yes, those living in La Sagra and Corredor del Henares areas have MAD as a way better option.

CQM could attract foreign workers in Ciudad Real province and nearby towns (Quintanar, Consuegra, Villarrobledo, and maybe also from Villanueva de la Serena and Don Benito). Anyways, airport management already stated they are not willing to subsidize any passenger flights.

About Moldova, most of their citizens living in Spain do it with a Romanian passport, so they are included in statistics as Romanian citizens. Anyways, MAD-KIV flights have never shown a great demand so I guess to CQM it would be even weaker.
 
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Re: Ciudad Real CQM back in operation, Solar Impulse-based aircraft to be developed there

Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:43 pm

slightly off topic. Sounds like Spanish are the best to create ghost airport or almost.
Can you guys give a list of Spanish ghost or almost airports?
 
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Re: Ciudad Real CQM back in operation, Solar Impulse-based aircraft to be developed there

Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:47 pm

A380MSN004 wrote:
slightly off topic. Sounds like Spanish are the best to create ghost airport or almost.
Can you guys give a list of Spanish ghost or almost airports?


At the moment, "ghost" airports are: Albacete (but busy as military base and Eurocopter factory), Córdoba, Ciudad Real (second chance just started), Huesca and Andorra-La Seu. Logroño might join the club soon, there was a thread about it like two days ago.

Airports with low traffic are León, Salamanca, Lleida, Burgos, Badajoz, San Sebastián, Logroño, La Gomera and El Hierro.

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