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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:21 pm

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What? 10 MD-88/90 service a day plus a 321? For one day?


It's been a busy route for decades. 10-12x MD-88 was the routine back in 1999, IIRC.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:49 pm

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DALMD80 wrote:
What? 10 MD-88/90 service a day plus a 321? For one day?


It's been a busy route for decades. 10-12x MD-88 was the routine back in 1999, IIRC.

Nice. That must be very nice spotting.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:50 pm

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I would much rather fly an 88 than a 90, just because the 90 is an 88 with less interesting engines and no clamshell reversers, just cascades.


Haha. I wonder what percentage of passengers in the world book based upon such parameters? 0.1% or less?

Well ordinarily I wouldn't, but with a type near the end of its service...
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:52 pm

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Does anybody have a list of for sure MD90 routes? I got the chance to get on the 88 from ATL to PNS but I am still trying to sneak in an MD90 flight, I really don't want to end up having an equip change, however.



ATL-PWM has resumed MD-90s on all flights, after getting the MD-88 once more for the summer season. I thought it was finally done coming to PWM when the -90 replaced the -88 to PWM two years ago. Was nice to hear the -88 one more time at PWM, as its been the primary DL mainline aircraft servicing PWM since 1995.

ATL to ALB and BDL still has MD-90s flying the routes, too.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:46 am

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Do any know what route or have an route list that DL MD still fly to? Trying to catch something for my birthday that’s about to come up for fun, before they are all gone. Trying to find the cheapest one, without breaking the bank. Sorry if I am on the wrong post.

We still get MD88s & 90s all day here at MKE.


Wow, it looks like DL has recently switched MKE-ATL to all Boeing! WN competes on this route, so Delta may have wanted equipment with newer interiors, more modern IFE, etc. Anyway, goes to show how fast things can change.

I suppose routes in which DL is the only game in town will generally be the last MD-90/88 strongholds.

It's a little surprising that cities like PHL, RDU, SAT, IAH still get lots of MD-90s and/or MD-88s (both with their older cabins) considering these routes have heavy competition. CLE and EWR use to have many MD-90s/88s despite other carriers competing with DL to ATL, but more recently Mad Dogs have largely if not totally disappeared from these and other stations.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Tue Oct 22, 2019 3:22 am

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
thewizbizman wrote:
Does anybody have a list of for sure MD90 routes? I got the chance to get on the 88 from ATL to PNS but I am still trying to sneak in an MD90 flight, I really don't want to end up having an equip change, however.



ATL-PWM has resumed MD-90s on all flights, after getting the MD-88 once more for the summer season. I thought it was finally done coming to PWM when the -90 replaced the -88 to PWM two years ago. Was nice to hear the -88 one more time at PWM, as its been the primary DL mainline aircraft servicing PWM since 1995.

ATL to ALB and BDL still has MD-90s flying the routes, too.


3 daily at the moment but far less than just a few months ago. Of the 7 daily BDL-ATL flights, more 737-900's are showing up with a 738 thrown in there.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:05 am

From a pax perspective, I've always thought that between the 2-3 seating(less middle seats) and quieter cabin for most of the pax, the MD-80 was a nice ride. Sure there are reliability issues I'd imagine as all the parts are worn over time, but generally speaking, I've found that most folks like the MD-80 cabin.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:17 am

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From a pax perspective, I've always thought that between the 2-3 seating(less middle seats) and quieter cabin for most of the pax, the MD-80 was a nice ride. Sure there are reliability issues I'd imagine as all the parts are worn over time, but generally speaking, I've found that most folks like the MD-80 cabin.


Completely agree. The front of the cabin is very quiet and Delta did a great job with the interiors over their life.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:14 am

N971DL just flew to Burlington, VT. Is this an equipment swap? Thought this route saw the 717?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Wed Oct 23, 2019 2:21 am

uconn99 wrote:
Chasensfo wrote:
From a pax perspective, I've always thought that between the 2-3 seating(less middle seats) and quieter cabin for most of the pax, the MD-80 was a nice ride. Sure there are reliability issues I'd imagine as all the parts are worn over time, but generally speaking, I've found that most folks like the MD-80 cabin.


Completely agree. The front of the cabin is very quiet and Delta did a great job with the interiors over their life.

Folks who fly in the front love the plane. I avoid booking routes that might be the type if there is a risk of ending up in back.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:50 am

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uconn99 wrote:
Chasensfo wrote:
From a pax perspective, I've always thought that between the 2-3 seating(less middle seats) and quieter cabin for most of the pax, the MD-80 was a nice ride. Sure there are reliability issues I'd imagine as all the parts are worn over time, but generally speaking, I've found that most folks like the MD-80 cabin.


Completely agree. The front of the cabin is very quiet and Delta did a great job with the interiors over their life.

Folks who fly in the front love the plane. I avoid booking routes that might be the type if there is a risk of ending up in back.

Lightsaber


I've been fortunate in that my MD-80 flights have either been up front or no further back than the wings. Yes, I've walked to the back of an MD-80 to use the lavatory and it's far from whisper quiet. But years ago (late 90s), my seat on a US DC-9 was just ahead of the #2 engine. Almost had to :yell: to be heard. What made it worse was that the engines were out of sync for virtually the whole flight.

One of my older relatives is a life long private pilot and is probably about to hang it up soon due to advancing age and the skyrocketing costs of general aviation; he now has a constant ringing in his ears.

Still, I have liked the MD-80s of DL, TW, AA, including for the 2-3 seating. I can easily get by with a good book and doing business on my aging laptop. Especially for short flights, when the likes of AVOD are somewhat less relevant. Although it's time for the Mad Dogs to go, I will miss them.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:59 pm

Delta: Down to : 56 + 29 = 85 at Planespotters

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:42 pm

Noooooo! That's too bad.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:43 am

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A Delta MD-88 reg. N990DL is currently flying from Riverside, CA to Killeen, TX. Positive it’s a military charter. As much as I love seeing the MD-88 in different places, this seems like an unusual aircraft choice given the locations. Won’t hear me complain though!


Definitely a charter for units training at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin. Most of their equipment goes by shipping container (CONEX) on trains.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:24 am

Delta: Down to : 54 + 29 = 83

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 28, 2019 12:01 pm

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Delta: Down to : 54 + 29 = 83

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What is the quantity of ADS-B equipped MD-88 and MD-90? We should expect to end 2019 at that quantity.

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Late edit, Airfleets still at 87 total.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:24 pm

Delta: Down to : 54 + 28 = 82

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:24 pm

I don't mind a -90 going I guess. As long as it's not an -88.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:57 pm

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Delta: Down to : 54 + 28 = 82

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Keep in mind not all airplanes going to BHM are getting parted out. 9229 will RTS.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:42 pm

I flew on N912DL on MLB-ATL this past weekend which was delivered in 1987. It was so smooth and quiet and watched Austin Powers on DL Studio on my phone. I forgot to download the Gogo streaming component but it downloaded without me paying for internet which I wouldn't have expected. Mood lighting and free booze in C+ also great. Likely one of my last MD88 flights and this plane has to be retired soon is what I'm thinking.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:45 pm

Booking a flight for work; haven't flown in a little while (couple months). I asked for no 737's out of Newark to ATL. There's not a single flight on the day I'm traveling. Used to be almost exclusively MD-88/90/717. :-\
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:55 pm

That's really too bad, one of the nicest looking planes in the sky!
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:42 am

DL uses common crew across LGA/JFK/EWR. When it announced the end of MD-88 services out of LGA (March '17) one could figure it would kill JFK and EWR MD-88 services, too. Friday's schedule EWR-ATL still shows a couple 717s.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:54 am

It didn't, though. When I flew earlier this summer, it was possible to fly EWR-ATL-RSW round trip on an MD-88. It did go mostly 90, but that only started this summer.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:21 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
DL uses common crew across LGA/JFK/EWR. When it announced the end of MD-88 services out of LGA (March '17) one could figure it would kill JFK and EWR MD-88 services, too. Friday's schedule EWR-ATL still shows a couple 717s.


Flight attendants are qualified across all aircraft in the fleet, and IIRC there was never an NYC MDxx pilot base, so ending ops at LGA wouldn't have had staffing implications at the other co-terminals.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:45 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
DL uses common crew across LGA/JFK/EWR. When it announced the end of MD-88 services out of LGA (March '17) one could figure it would kill JFK and EWR MD-88 services, too. Friday's schedule EWR-ATL still shows a couple 717s.


Flight attendants are qualified across all aircraft in the fleet, and IIRC there was never an NYC MDxx pilot base, so ending ops at LGA wouldn't have had staffing implications at the other co-terminals.


There was a large Md80/90 pilot base in NYC for decades.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:09 pm

N757ST wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
DL uses common crew across LGA/JFK/EWR. When it announced the end of MD-88 services out of LGA (March '17) one could figure it would kill JFK and EWR MD-88 services, too. Friday's schedule EWR-ATL still shows a couple 717s.


Flight attendants are qualified across all aircraft in the fleet, and IIRC there was never an NYC MDxx pilot base, so ending ops at LGA wouldn't have had staffing implications at the other co-terminals.


There was a large Md80/90 pilot base in NYC for decades.


OK, good to know. Happy to be corrected :)

When did the base close?
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 4:31 pm

How much does having no crew base in NYC really make a difference when you’re basically, in the case of Newark, talking about flying to a hub anyway (in my case, usually ATL)?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:11 pm

Who is scrapping planes at BHM now? AAI?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:16 pm

N757ST wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
DL uses common crew across LGA/JFK/EWR. When it announced the end of MD-88 services out of LGA (March '17) one could figure it would kill JFK and EWR MD-88 services, too. Friday's schedule EWR-ATL still shows a couple 717s.


Flight attendants are qualified across all aircraft in the fleet, and IIRC there was never an NYC MDxx pilot base, so ending ops at LGA wouldn't have had staffing implications at the other co-terminals.


There was a large Md80/90 pilot base in NYC for decades.


And it was incredibly junior for the last few years because no one wanted to fly the MDxx and no one wanted to be domiciled in NYC.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:36 pm

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2nd2none wrote:
Delta: Down to : 54 + 29 = 83

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What is the quantity of ADS-B equipped MD-88 and MD-90? We should expect to end 2019 at that quantity.

Lightsaber

Late edit, Airfleets still at 87 total.

I think all the MD90 are ADS-B and nearly all the remaining MD88 are also. The retirement rate I think is about 2-3 aircraft a month. That is the HMV due cycle typically for the fleet. So by the end of this year I would expect 4-6 more to retire. I think that rate gets us to about 20 aircraft by Dec 2020. At that point they all leave in one mass retirement. Supporting a fleet of less than that is really hard from a schedule standpoint I believe. The DC9 went out like that and AA did that with the MD80 fleet also.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:59 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
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2nd2none wrote:
Delta: Down to : 54 + 29 = 83

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What is the quantity of ADS-B equipped MD-88 and MD-90? We should expect to end 2019 at that quantity.

Lightsaber

Late edit, Airfleets still at 87 total.

I think all the MD90 are ADS-B and nearly all the remaining MD88 are also. The retirement rate I think is about 2-3 aircraft a month. That is the HMV due cycle typically for the fleet. So by the end of this year I would expect 4-6 more to retire. I think that rate gets us to about 20 aircraft by Dec 2020. At that point they all leave in one mass retirement. Supporting a fleet of less than that is really hard from a schedule standpoint I believe. The DC9 went out like that and AA did that with the MD80 fleet also.

Thank you for the insight. Just as with AA, I would expect a mass retirement after labor day, the start of slow season. Let us see.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:24 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't recall all the details. But a major factor why MD-88s stopped using LGA was that the upgraded navigation requirements into LGA (with its busy complicated routes and many waypoints) were a challenge for the MD-88's aging FMS to deal with.

But even without the FMS/ADS-B issues, perhaps DL would still prefer other planes with more modern cabins/features against the stiff competition at LGA. This said, can one of the ADS-B equipped DL MD-88s go into LGA in a pinch? Such as a last minute substitution, or a charter?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:47 pm

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The retirement rate I think is about 2-3 aircraft a month. That is the HMV due cycle typically for the fleet. So by the end of this year I would expect 4-6 more to retire. I think that rate gets us to about 20 aircraft by Dec 2020.


Are A220s + 321s arriving at a similar steady rate during that time, or is it more sporadic?
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:54 pm

2020 calls for delivery of 18 A220s (12 -100 + 6 -300) and 43 321ceo/neo.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:04 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
DL uses common crew across LGA/JFK/EWR. When it announced the end of MD-88 services out of LGA (March '17) one could figure it would kill JFK and EWR MD-88 services, too. Friday's schedule EWR-ATL still shows a couple 717s.


Not for long though. ATL-EWR-ATL is going to be mostly 73G, 738, 739ER by next month. It's quite an upgrade of seats compared to the constant M88 and 717 over the last few years.

EWR-DTW and MSP still have quite a few 717s on the schedules next month so they're not leaving EWR anytime soon.

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Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't recall all the details. But a major factor why MD-88s stopped using LGA was that the upgraded navigation requirements into LGA (with its busy complicated routes and many waypoints) were a challenge for the MD-88's aging FMS to deal with.

But even without the FMS/ADS-B issues, perhaps DL would still prefer other planes with more modern cabins/features against the stiff competition at LGA. This said, can one of the ADS-B equipped DL MD-88s go into LGA in a pinch? Such as a last minute substitution, or a charter?


Maybe (and this is a stretch) has to do with fallout from the DL M88 near crash into the water at LGA a few years ago during a snowstorm? Not an expert on that one, but I did notice DL scheduled way less M88's into LGA since that accident.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:14 am

It's not so much the crash as they closed the NYC M88 crew domicile, I believe.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:45 am

A few things happened:
1) MD-88s were pulled from LGA/JFK for a combination of navigational requirements/space of the FMS and also for marketing/product purposes
2) Thus M89 NYC crew base was closed when the MD-88s were pulled from LGA
3) DL then in Summer 2018 consolidated all MD-88 flying to ATL, out-and backs to improve operational reliability of the fleet & optimize spare parts inventory
4) EWR was continued to be served by MD-88s until earlier this year, but all with ATL-based pilots and aircraft that only did turns from ATL
5) As the fleet draws-down, MD-88s are being removed from additional markets as the number of frames dwindles
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:28 am

N649DL wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
DL uses common crew across LGA/JFK/EWR. When it announced the end of MD-88 services out of LGA (March '17) one could figure it would kill JFK and EWR MD-88 services, too. Friday's schedule EWR-ATL still shows a couple 717s.


Not for long though. ATL-EWR-ATL is going to be mostly 73G, 738, 739ER by next month. It's quite an upgrade of seats compared to the constant M88 and 717 over the last few years.

EWR-DTW and MSP still have quite a few 717s on the schedules next month so they're not leaving EWR anytime soon.


Yup, the day I'm flying next month, there wasn't a single non-737 departure. I avoid these planes, so that's kind of a drag. I thought we might at least get A220s or A321s. I hope this doesn't last. Will be flying what has up till now been a rare entirely 737 itinerary on Delta (4 segments).

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Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't recall all the details. But a major factor why MD-88s stopped using LGA was that the upgraded navigation requirements into LGA (with its busy complicated routes and many waypoints) were a challenge for the MD-88's aging FMS to deal with.

But even without the FMS/ADS-B issues, perhaps DL would still prefer other planes with more modern cabins/features against the stiff competition at LGA. This said, can one of the ADS-B equipped DL MD-88s go into LGA in a pinch? Such as a last minute substitution, or a charter?


Maybe (and this is a stretch) has to do with fallout from the DL M88 near crash into the water at LGA a few years ago during a snowstorm? Not an expert on that one, but I did notice DL scheduled way less M88's into LGA since that accident.


It was an operational decision, according to what I've read. I don't believe that it was ADS-B but just space in the FMS, and that there were more important airports to keep in there than LGA, considering the way they used those planes.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:37 am

The last non-737 of November serves EWR on 11/3, and the last MD-90 is on 11/2. Eventually some 717s return around mid-December, but then nothing but 737s again sometime in the spring, seems like (not sure if they actually have stuff scheduled out that far though).
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:09 am

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What is the quantity of ADS-B equipped MD-88 and MD-90? We should expect to end 2019 at that quantity.

Lightsaber

Late edit, Airfleets still at 87 total.

I think all the MD90 are ADS-B and nearly all the remaining MD88 are also. The retirement rate I think is about 2-3 aircraft a month. That is the HMV due cycle typically for the fleet. So by the end of this year I would expect 4-6 more to retire. I think that rate gets us to about 20 aircraft by Dec 2020. At that point they all leave in one mass retirement. Supporting a fleet of less than that is really hard from a schedule standpoint I believe. The DC9 went out like that and AA did that with the MD80 fleet also.

Thank you for the insight. Just as with AA, I would expect a mass retirement after labor day, the start of slow season. Let us see.

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I think the rate stays 4-6 right up until Dec of 2020. The mass retirement comes on Dec 31, just like the DC9.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:49 am

On a side note, what we’re some of the MD-88 routes out of LGA?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:35 am

Back in their peak, MD-88s were doing LGA - MCO, FLL, TPA, PBI, RSW (Florida flying) plus hubs ATL, plus then started showing-up on DTW & MSP flights.
MD-90s and then A319/A320 took over most of the Florida flying.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:48 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Back in their peak, MD-88s were doing LGA - MCO, FLL, TPA, PBI, RSW (Florida flying) plus hubs ATL, plus then started showing-up on DTW & MSP flights.
MD-90s and then A319/A320 took over most of the Florida flying.


Thanks! Very informative.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:50 pm

Currently a DL MD-88 in State College SCE / UNV parked on the GA ramp. Been there since Wednesday night for the University of Wisconsin men’s hockey team playing at Penn State. This MD88 in MSN, DTW, And LAN earlier this week.

DL is doing a bunch of NCAA charters over the fall and winter so they may pop up in college town airport, in particular big 10 campuses.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:27 pm

Looks like all MD88's will be gone by 2020 and then only 16 MD90's will operate in the fleet for 2021-2022 will all retired by end of 2022! Gonna miss the T-tails but at least we'll have a few years to hitch a ride.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:37 pm

Any info if those 16 will be the original DL new-build 16?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:50 pm

cessna2 wrote:
Looks like all MD88's will be gone by 2020 and then only 16 MD90's will operate in the fleet for 2021-2022 will all retired by end of 2022! Gonna miss the T-tails but at least we'll have a few years to hitch a ride.

What is this based upon? As some MD-88s have ADS-B, I assume you mean all MD-88s will be retired prior to YE 2020? Likely; I would like to know the c-check history/due dates.

As to MD-90s gone by YE 2022? That makes sense. I expect none are now going through HMV and few through a regular c-check even.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:45 am

Uncomfortable center seats...

I not rooting for the MD-88/MD-90 or the 767-300ER/767-400ER to leave the fleet soon due [b]"center/middle seats" on other planes.
. I am 6'4" 200 lbs and those Boeing/Airbus center seats really stink rubbing elbows with a person on each side especially on long flights.

The worst side of flying coach (thank goodness I can usually book First/Business) is the possibility of getting a middle/center seat.

Only one passenger in seven has to sit in a middle seat on a DL Boeing 767. The flight could be 86% full and no one sits in the middle!!

On the MD-88/90 and 717 aircraft only one passenger in five gets a middle seat. In other words 80% full with no one in a middle seat.

Most all other Boeing and Airbus flights one in three passengers gets the middle seat. That usually means after only 66% full and all the rest in the middle. MANY more crammed in as compared to a Boeing 767/McDonnell Douglas. Viva the older planes! (Good to see that the new CS/Airbus 220 has 3-2 seating economy).

My worst and most uncomfortable flights have been on long flights on DC-8s, 707s, 747s, DC-10s and 737s in one of those damn center seats.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:37 pm

lightsaber wrote:
As to MD-90s gone by YE 2022? That makes sense. I expect none are now going through HMV and few through a regular c-check even.

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That the MD-90s shall be gone by end 2022 is stated in the last 10-Q filed with the SEC. Not that it can't change, but that's about as unambiguous as it gets.

MD-90 Fleet Retirement
As part of our ongoing fleet transformation, during the June 2019 quarter we committed to accelerating the retirement of our MD-90 fleet. This fleet will now
be retired by the end of 2022, which is approximately two years earlier than previously planned. The decision to permanently retire 35 aircraft resulted in
accelerated depreciation of $93 million during the nine months ended September 30, 2019, which is recorded in depreciation and amortization in our income
statement.


That same filing notes aircraft purchase commitments totaling $2.9 Billion in 2020 and $3.680 Billion in 2021. The purchase commitment charts ($ by year, number by type, but not type by year) include four used LATAM A350s but apparently not the 10 new-delivery A350s being taken over from LATAM (at least the way I read it).

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