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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:28 pm

Currently at MKE on A321 bound for MSP, and just a few minutes ago I was pleasantly surprised to see an MD-88 pull into the gate next to us!
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:35 am

PWM still gets 88's through September. ATL-PWM has been exclusively MD's for a while, but that's changing in April. ATL-PWM is 3x daily for most of the summer and it looks like a mix of MD's and 737/8's
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:30 am

CMH has 88’s scheduled through August. They are mixed in amongst the 738/739s that will replace them completely beginning September 1, all subject to change this far out of course.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:32 am

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DeltaMD95 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Does the increased efficiency of the MD-90 engines compensate for the increased weight of the fuselage compared to the MD-88?

Which aircraft burns less fuel when fully loaded?


The MD90 is considerably more efficient. Data posted has shown the MD90 to be competitive on legs under 3 hours, with similar vintage 737NG & A320 - for which Delta have many of. Which makes it all the more unfortunate, the overzealous vendor squeezing (on Delta’s part) drove an early retirement.

Will the MD-90s last as long as the DC-9-50s did?


The oldest an MD90 could be at the 2022 retirement would be 27 years.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:41 am

lightsaber wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
DeltaMD95 wrote:

The MD90 is considerably more efficient. Data posted has shown the MD90 to be competitive on legs under 3 hours, with similar vintage 737NG & A320 - for which Delta have many of. Which makes it all the more unfortunate, the overzealous vendor squeezing (on Delta’s part) drove an early retirement.

Will the MD-90s last as long as the DC-9-50s did?

No. The MD-90s that are active are 1995 delivery or newer:
https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Del ... d80-35.htm

It isn't just the vendor squeeze. PiPs on 737NGs snd A320s help reduce costs. Parts are readily available for the competing aircraft.

The Douglas T-tails were impressive. But where are the winglets? Fewer engine PiPs.

Lightsaber


No? Yes. Delta have many 737NGs and A320s of similar vintage - early to mid ‘90s. This is fact. Many of the A320s are older, with a previous engine type. You know this. And the MD90 fuel burn is comparable to a 1993 A320 or 1998 737NG on a 700 mi flight.

Respectfully, you have a personal distaste for the T-tail rear-engine design, because you have only had the unfortunate displeasure of sitting in the back of these planes near the engine where it is very loud. You have stated this yourself on the forum.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:16 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
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On Airfleets, I only count 19 MD-90:
https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Del ... e-md80.htm

Now, Airfleets has 79 MD-88+MD-90s, but lags significantly. Were a dozen MD-80s retired quickly? I know some were documented upthread.


Planespotters.net shows 27 MD-90s this morning but I didn't audit tail numbers for scheduled activity. Somebody's got to be wrong!


Of that 27, Flightaware shows 1 in ATL that's been sitting for a couple of days, 1 in ATL that's been sitting for a couple of weeks, 2 in QRO but the remainder (23) presently flying.


Current count is 46 MD-88s and 24 MD-90s active with 5 stored with the intent to fly again. The 2 in QRO are getting checks, and 9229, 30 and 36 will RTS.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:17 pm

Sorry if I’ve been missing out, but when does Delta plan on getting all of their MD-88s retired by?
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:38 pm

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Sorry if I’ve been missing out, but when does Delta plan on getting all of their MD-88s retired by?

End of year, but wouldn’t surprise me if it spills some into Q1 2021.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sat Jan 04, 2020 8:22 pm

Polot wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Sorry if I’ve been missing out, but when does Delta plan on getting all of their MD-88s retired by?

End of year, but wouldn’t surprise me if it spills some into Q1 2021.


What makes you think that? I don't know for sure but it seems likely the last of them will be retired after the holiday peak (unless by Q1 2021 you mean the first couple days of January). No need for extra frames during the quietest travel for quarter. If they were to live through Q1 2021, it seems likely that they would live until the end of summer 2021.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:01 am

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If they were to live through Q1 2021, it seems likely that they would live until the end of summer 2021.


Astute observation. Presumably, Delta now have the right-sized scale, allowing flexibility for the option to extend retirement 6+ months (i.e. Labor Day 2021), seeing all remaining aircraft are ADS-B complaint with no regulatory timetable.

While I think this is optimistically thinking, and probably unlikely, it would mimic the way AA drew down the fleet - in the final 18 months - to some extent.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:27 pm

N905DL brought the Duke Blue Devils basketball team to GSP to play Clemson last night and will be taking them home to RDU after the game tonight.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:44 pm

DeltaMD95 wrote:
ethernal wrote:

If they were to live through Q1 2021, it seems likely that they would live until the end of summer 2021.


Astute observation. Presumably, Delta now have the right-sized scale, allowing flexibility for the option to extend retirement 6+ months (i.e. Labor Day 2021), seeing all remaining aircraft are ADS-B complaint with no regulatory timetable.

While I think this is optimistically thinking, and probably unlikely, it would mimic the way AA drew down the fleet - in the final 18 months - to some extent.

Do we know the last maintenance check (c-check) occurred for a block? There are mentioned above 3 going through a check, so we could see 2021.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:03 am

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437989
Reference post number 2 poster n515cr : scroll to the bottom as he list each MD 88 and MD 90 AC, and the status of each AC
Over the last few years I can confirm the accuracy of his monthly post, but DO NOT take my word for it as I have provided links below for you fellow anetters to confirm his accuracy.

Disclaimer : There may be a one off on serial numbers or N numbers, and if there are please do not flame him because he puts a lot of effort into the detailed monthly refurbish thread.


https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Delta-Air-Lines

https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquir ... quiry.aspx
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:22 am

Just checked ATL-EWR again and it looks like the DL 717s are back with a mix of 73G / 738 / 739ER this winter. No M88s or M90s or 757s (although I'm almost curious as to if and when the 757s might return on this route.)

Call me crazy, but isn't it possible at this point that DL might retire the M90s ahead of the M88s when it's all said and done. Also, any update as to if DL is putting AVOD on the 717s?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:36 am

Would love to see a three year chart of net promoter scores superimposed on the number of MD88s in the fleet. My guess is that there is a direct correlation as more MD88s leave, NPS keeps going up. Reliability counts.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:44 am

What Mad dog got chopped up @ ATL today?
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:16 am

727LOVER wrote:
What Mad dog got chopped up @ ATL today?

It was perhaps N975DL (someone please confirm). Anyway, 975 was struck by a tug about a month and a half ago. Declared a WO.

As many may recall, another MD-88 N977DL was also struck by a tug earlier in 2019. Also at ATL, also a WO, also later scrapped.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:04 am

I fly EWR-ATL a lot (more than twice a month most years), and seek out MD-88s on all legs (though we no longer see them). I think the last time I was on a 757 into Newark on Delta was 2004 (but I didn’t start flying regularly until 2013 or so), and I believe I’ve had one, maybe 2, significant mechanical delays on MD-88s.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:42 pm

lightsaber wrote:
DeltaMD95 wrote:
ethernal wrote:

If they were to live through Q1 2021, it seems likely that they would live until the end of summer 2021.


Astute observation. Presumably, Delta now have the right-sized scale, allowing flexibility for the option to extend retirement 6+ months (i.e. Labor Day 2021), seeing all remaining aircraft are ADS-B complaint with no regulatory timetable.

While I think this is optimistically thinking, and probably unlikely, it would mimic the way AA drew down the fleet - in the final 18 months - to some extent.

Do we know the last maintenance check (c-check) occurred for a block? There are mentioned above 3 going through a check, so we could see 2021.

Lightsaber

There is one more C check for this year and then they are showing done. I think that will leave 23 of the remaining fleet with time left on them as of the end of 2020. I still think the end of 2020 will be the retirement of the fleet. Any change would have to be announced by the end of the summer. Pilots pools will have to start shrinking by then.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:42 pm

Does anyone know or have a guess what the last flight will be?
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:44 pm

SteelChair wrote:
Would love to see a three year chart of net promoter scores superimposed on the number of MD88s in the fleet. My guess is that there is a direct correlation as more MD88s leave, NPS keeps going up. Reliability counts.


What's your evidence that the MD-88s have been less reliable than the mainline fleet as a whole? Why do you think reliability is a big driver of NPS?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:46 pm

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Does anyone know or have a guess what the last flight will be?

Way, way to early to know that. Check back in 10 months or so.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:53 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Does anyone know or have a guess what the last flight will be?

Way, way to early to know that. Check back in 10 months or so.


A very early speculation would be one of the following:

DFW-ATL
CVG-ATL
MEM-ATL

Again, just some very early speculations...
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:59 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
Would love to see a three year chart of net promoter scores superimposed on the number of MD88s in the fleet. My guess is that there is a direct correlation as more MD88s leave, NPS keeps going up. Reliability counts.


What's your evidence that the MD-88s have been less reliable than the mainline fleet as a whole? Why do you think reliability is a big driver of NPS?


I have no evidence that MD-88s are less reliable (although it wouldn't surprise me if they are starting to see more MX issues - they are at the point in their life where every part is a bit long in the tooth by design) but Delta wouldn't invest as much as they do in trying to raise completion rate and on-time performance if they didn't believe that helped drive NPS.

Do you really believe that the null hypothesis here is that reliability isn't a major factor in NPS? Especially MX-driven reliability? I give every airline a bit of a pass when there is serious WX, but late crews and MX issues are definitely ones that I get cranky about. And Delta's entire crusade around "cancelling cancellations" is predicated on their own research that says that the #1 customer loyalty/NPS destroying event is a cancelled flight. I don't have first hand access to that research, but I trust it - and it is intuitive.

From my own experience - I avoid American and Southwest like the plague because their reliability just isn't very good right now. I literally can't rely on them to get me from point A to point B. Their mainline cancellation rate (and I mostly fly between major cities so <10% of my flying is on regionals) is literally 10x higher than Delta's. I've flown about 1000 segments on Delta over the past 7 years and have had zero cancellations and only maybe 10 trips in total with a >4 hour delay*. On American and Southwest? Only a tiny fraction (maybe 100 segments on American and 75 on WN) and have had multiple cancellations on both. In the literal spirit of the NPS question, I candidly disparage American and Southwest in front of others and defend Delta (and increasingly United - they've done a lot to improve their mainline reliability over the past few years).


* I'm good at avoiding major WX events which contributes to this stat. But it's not just that. I've been on multiple trips where Delta has flown an empty plane for 5+ hours in order to deal with a stranded aircraft at an outstation. Often times 737/A320s are shorter ferries, but I distinctly remember three ferries where Delta flew empty planes to get folks home: JFK -> PDL with a 757, ATL -> PDX with a 767, and ATL -> LIM on a 767. Knowing how much this costs means a lot to me as a customer. All of those flights ended up being only a couple of hours delayed (two were MX issues identified in-flight to the destination and one was a very late 767 inbound from AMS that was on an AMS->PDX->ATL rotation).
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:39 pm

The current 7x daily ATL-YYZ M88 service will switch to 7x daily A320 service on Mon June 8.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:14 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
Would love to see a three year chart of net promoter scores superimposed on the number of MD88s in the fleet. My guess is that there is a direct correlation as more MD88s leave, NPS keeps going up. Reliability counts.


What's your evidence that the MD-88s have been less reliable than the mainline fleet as a whole? Why do you think reliability is a big driver of NPS?

Don’t know the fleet-wide numbers, but anecdotally, 3 of my last 4 MD-88 flights have had mechanical delays. I’ve had a personal rule for a few years to not fly them unless absolutely necessary (or in my case, fly them because Delta hoodwinks you in to booking a flight on a 757 only to have it changed down the line).
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:31 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
Would love to see a three year chart of net promoter scores superimposed on the number of MD88s in the fleet. My guess is that there is a direct correlation as more MD88s leave, NPS keeps going up. Reliability counts.


What's your evidence that the MD-88s have been less reliable than the mainline fleet as a whole? Why do you think reliability is a big driver of NPS?

The MD-80/90 are old school wait until you have a problem then fix it with passengers waiting.

Some is by analogy, Allegiant has seen a dramatic improvement in reliability since switching to Airbus:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/ ... r-1877743/

Steelchair noted a guess. We cannot prove the MD-80s are less reliable. Search for "Delta skywise predictive maintenance", the headlines tell you Delta signed up for it a year ago. The point of it is "Using the Skywise data platform launched at the 2017 Paris air show, Easyjet engineers can anticipate problems, removing and replacing at-risk components ahead of failure."

https://www.mro-network.com/airlines/ea ... aintenance

At EasyJet they are finding problems ahead of time. Allegiant went from problematic maintenance to doing very well. Since Delta bought in (I do not know where they are in the avionics upgrade required) it should boost dispatch reliability and aircraft availability too. The 787 started this, the 777x takes it further and the MAX has it too as well as A220; although the A220 must be transistioned to the Airbus system.

The advantage of the MD-80/90 is it is cheap to park them. So they should always have a ready spare masking issues, at least at ATL.

Delta, from review of utilization, is not intensely using MD-80/90/717. It appears they fly on only the high demand days (Monday, Friday, Saturday, and busy seasons). So with that added available time for care and attention, they should do well. Delta needs 30% to 40% of the fleet with cheap fixed costs to only fly at premium yield times.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:53 pm

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Allegiant has seen a dramatic improvement in reliability since switching to Airbus


There was also a culture change in operations. Allegiant instructed pilots to write up absolutely every Airbus squawk, no matter how minor, no exceptions. That likely has something to do with the overall higher state of repair/reliability as well.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:01 pm

Yeah, Allegiant now has the highest completion factor in the industry (99.2%). Undoubtedly Skywise had an impact in making that happen.

For them reducing IROPs is a must given most of their routes are only 2x/weekly.

You strand someone somewhere for 3-4 days and you’ve probably lost that customer forever.
 
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:08 pm

wjcandee wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Allegiant has seen a dramatic improvement in reliability since switching to Airbus


There was also a culture change in operations. Allegiant instructed pilots to write up absolutely every Airbus squawk, no matter how minor, no exceptions. That likely has something to do with the overall higher state of repair/reliability as well.


Yeah, it was called a new contract, amazing how that works.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:27 pm

Anyone know when the last flight out of BWI will be?
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:33 pm

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Delta, from review of utilization, is not intensely using MD-80/90/717. It appears they fly on only the high demand days (Monday, Friday, Saturday, and busy seasons). So with that added available time for care and attention, they should do well. Delta needs 30% to 40% of the fleet with cheap fixed costs to only fly at premium yield times.

Lightsaber


I think I get the context of your point, but I do what to clarify that they do fly MD88/MD90/717 every single day of the week/year.
There is more slack/spares in the fleet based on seasonality and day-of-the week.

Yes, the MD-88/90 fleet likely has more spares just by nature of how that fleet it utilized and segregated to ATL.
Unlike during peak summer, where they may be running 6+ segments a day, they may now be down to about 4-5 cycles/day.

There are a couple of MD88 frames dedicated to NCAA charters and they will leave it parked for a couple of days offline in one of the hubs. They had one that flew a team back to Michigan State in LAN, then ferried the aircraft over to DTW and it sat there for 2-3 days until it was needed for more charter work.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:32 am

yyz717 wrote:
The current 7x daily ATL-YYZ M88 service will switch to 7x daily A320 service on Mon June 8.


Thank you for sharing this detail. I was curious how long this route would last.
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Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:39 am

WaywardMemphian wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Allegiant has seen a dramatic improvement in reliability since switching to Airbus


There was also a culture change in operations. Allegiant instructed pilots to write up absolutely every Airbus squawk, no matter how minor, no exceptions. That likely has something to do with the overall higher state of repair/reliability as well.


Yeah, it was called a new contract, amazing how that works.


In fact, the new contract had more to do with reporting of incidents than actual reliability/completion. You are correct that, intentionally, every time somebody passed gas, it found its way into the media, with associated handwringing about how unsafe the carrier was. As you note, that has changed, although it took a while for the Palm Beach Post (and some others) to get the message from Command and Control, to the declared frustration of some union pilots. However, the truth is that actual dispatch reliability has improved significantly, as well, of course, as public impression of reliability.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:04 pm

I'm a Canadian aviation fan who's never flown on MD metal, so what better to do on my midterm break next month than pop down and fly on a bunch of MD88s/MD90s while that's still possible. Fortunately I am able to fly standby on DL. I don't know much about DL's network so I was hoping people could suggest some routes that are (1) highly likely to be operated by M88/M90 and (2) decent for standby travel, i.e. fairly frequent and not chronically overloaded. My dates are Feb 15-23(ish) and my first leg will be YYZ-ATL. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:42 am

Short local legs out of ATL? Just look for intra-southeast US legs and see what's assigned to them.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:30 am

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I'm a Canadian aviation fan who's never flown on MD metal, so what better to do on my midterm break next month than pop down and fly on a bunch of MD88s/MD90s while that's still possible. Fortunately I am able to fly standby on DL. I don't know much about DL's network so I was hoping people could suggest some routes that are (1) highly likely to be operated by M88/M90 and (2) decent for standby travel, i.e. fairly frequent and not chronically overloaded. My dates are Feb 15-23(ish) and my first leg will be YYZ-ATL. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!


Stop at BDL on your way back home. It has MD88 and or MD90 service from ATL.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:32 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Delta, from review of utilization, is not intensely using MD-80/90/717. It appears they fly on only the high demand days (Monday, Friday, Saturday, and busy seasons). So with that added available time for care and attention, they should do well. Delta needs 30% to 40% of the fleet with cheap fixed costs to only fly at premium yield times.

Lightsaber


I think I get the context of your point, but I do what to clarify that they do fly MD88/MD90/717 every single day of the week/year.
There is more slack/spares in the fleet based on seasonality and day-of-the week.

Yes, the MD-88/90 fleet likely has more spares just by nature of how that fleet it utilized and segregated to ATL.
Unlike during peak summer, where they may be running 6+ segments a day, they may now be down to about 4-5 cycles/day.

There are a couple of MD88 frames dedicated to NCAA charters and they will leave it parked for a couple of days offline in one of the hubs. They had one that flew a team back to Michigan State in LAN, then ferried the aircraft over to DTW and it sat there for 2-3 days until it was needed for more charter work.

You are correct, I shouldn't say "only", but rather I was using the example. I the economy keeps going, DL will hire more pilots/crew and keep expanding, using the MD-80s longer. But an announced retirement means cancelled service contracts, that puts a limit on how long due to the end of engine overhauls.

Facinating. I'd like to see the route map.

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Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:38 am

flybaby wrote:
Yeah, Allegiant now has the highest completion factor in the industry (99.2%). Undoubtedly Skywise had an impact in making that happen.

For them reducing IROPs is a must given most of their routes are only 2x/weekly.

You strand someone somewhere for 3-4 days and you’ve probably lost that customer forever.

Is that the highest completion factor? That seems low for best. Delta brags about long periods of time with perfect mainline completion factors:
https://news.delta.com/tags/completion-factor

Alas, I fly to a few places that only see regional Aircraft, those I have to know which flight often are cancelled (short last flights out of certain hubs).

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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:43 am

car4041 wrote:
I'm a Canadian aviation fan who's never flown on MD metal, so what better to do on my midterm break next month than pop down and fly on a bunch of MD88s/MD90s while that's still possible. Fortunately I am able to fly standby on DL. I don't know much about DL's network so I was hoping people could suggest some routes that are (1) highly likely to be operated by M88/M90 and (2) decent for standby travel, i.e. fairly frequent and not chronically overloaded. My dates are Feb 15-23(ish) and my first leg will be YYZ-ATL. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!


DL flies the 88 to IAD 3x/day. Midweek is almost always open and easy to nonrev. Comfort+ is likely. Enjoy the plane - my dad flew the 88 for years and was #3 in seniority in ATL back in the early 00’s. I’m always happy to be on the 88, unless it’s in the dead of summer and the packs aren’t functioning at full capacity. ;-)
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:52 am

car4041 wrote:
and (2) decent for standby travel, i.e. fairly frequent and not chronically overloaded.

The ATL-MEM-ATL market is -NOT- good for non-rev travel.
Teaching this old dog a new trick
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:24 am

car4041 wrote:
I'm a Canadian aviation fan who's never flown on MD metal, so what better to do on my midterm break next month than pop down and fly on a bunch of MD88s/MD90s while that's still possible. Fortunately I am able to fly standby on DL. I don't know much about DL's network so I was hoping people could suggest some routes that are (1) highly likely to be operated by M88/M90 and (2) decent for standby travel, i.e. fairly frequent and not chronically overloaded. My dates are Feb 15-23(ish) and my first leg will be YYZ-ATL. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!



ATL-DSM would be a solid ride. Will go to the 738 in the Fall.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:22 am

lightsaber wrote:
flybaby wrote:
Yeah, Allegiant now has the highest completion factor in the industry (99.2%). Undoubtedly Skywise had an impact in making that happen.

For them reducing IROPs is a must given most of their routes are only 2x/weekly.

You strand someone somewhere for 3-4 days and you’ve probably lost that customer forever.

Is that the highest completion factor? That seems low for best. Delta brags about long periods of time with perfect mainline completion factors:
https://news.delta.com/tags/completion-factor

Alas, I fly to a few places that only see regional Aircraft, those I have to know which flight often are cancelled (short last flights out of certain hubs).

Lightsaber


See slide #4 here: http://ir.allegiantair.com/static-files ... f510573ad7
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:35 pm

jethawk wrote:
car4041 wrote:
I'm a Canadian aviation fan who's never flown on MD metal, so what better to do on my midterm break next month than pop down and fly on a bunch of MD88s/MD90s while that's still possible. Fortunately I am able to fly standby on DL. I don't know much about DL's network so I was hoping people could suggest some routes that are (1) highly likely to be operated by M88/M90 and (2) decent for standby travel, i.e. fairly frequent and not chronically overloaded. My dates are Feb 15-23(ish) and my first leg will be YYZ-ATL. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!



ATL-DSM would be a solid ride. Will go to the 738 in the Fall.


Being DSM's biggest Maddog fan, this is saddening, however inevitable it was. I've watched our MD-80s slowly disappear over the last few years as we lost Allegiant's, then American's, and now Delta's in the fall. I was hoping they would send the MD-90 here, as they have sent several on occasion in the last year, but I guess not.

I worked for Delta for several years here and was in the belly of an MD-80 almost every day. It will be strange to no longer see them around, and the airport will be a much quieter place.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:56 pm

flybaby wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
flybaby wrote:
Yeah, Allegiant now has the highest completion factor in the industry (99.2%). Undoubtedly Skywise had an impact in making that happen.

For them reducing IROPs is a must given most of their routes are only 2x/weekly.

You strand someone somewhere for 3-4 days and you’ve probably lost that customer forever.

Is that the highest completion factor? That seems low for best. Delta brags about long periods of time with perfect mainline completion factors:
https://news.delta.com/tags/completion-factor

Alas, I fly to a few places that only see regional Aircraft, those I have to know which flight often are cancelled (short last flights out of certain hubs).

Lightsaber


See slide #4 here: http://ir.allegiantair.com/static-files ... f510573ad7

I belive thats 2017 performance not 2019 performance but its not clear
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:05 am

NWAJT8D wrote:
jethawk wrote:
car4041 wrote:
I'm a Canadian aviation fan who's never flown on MD metal, so what better to do on my midterm break next month than pop down and fly on a bunch of MD88s/MD90s while that's still possible. Fortunately I am able to fly standby on DL. I don't know much about DL's network so I was hoping people could suggest some routes that are (1) highly likely to be operated by M88/M90 and (2) decent for standby travel, i.e. fairly frequent and not chronically overloaded. My dates are Feb 15-23(ish) and my first leg will be YYZ-ATL. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thanks!



ATL-DSM would be a solid ride. Will go to the 738 in the Fall.


Being DSM's biggest Maddog fan, this is saddening, however inevitable it was. I've watched our MD-80s slowly disappear over the last few years as we lost Allegiant's, then American's, and now Delta's in the fall. I was hoping they would send the MD-90 here, as they have sent several on occasion in the last year, but I guess not.

I worked for Delta for several years here and was in the belly of an MD-80 almost every day. It will be strange to no longer see them around, and the airport will be a much quieter place.


I'm kind of surprised DSM hasn't seen more of the 717.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:53 am

Northwest1988 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Does anyone know or have a guess what the last flight will be?

Way, way to early to know that. Check back in 10 months or so.


A very early speculation would be one of the following:

DFW-ATL
CVG-ATL
MEM-ATL

Again, just some very early speculations...

I hope it's not ELP-ATL, ELP is a low competitive market that doesn't get the latest tech.
Maybe the 737Max will initially return to routes with few alternatives.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:47 am

tenHangar wrote:
I hope it's not ELP-ATL, ELP is a low competitive market that doesn't get the latest tech.
Maybe the 737Max will initially return to routes with few alternatives.


Uhh, Delta does not fly the 737Max
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:03 am

akelley728 wrote:
tenHangar wrote:
I hope it's not ELP-ATL, ELP is a low competitive market that doesn't get the latest tech.
Maybe the 737Max will initially return to routes with few alternatives.


Uhh, Delta does not fly the 737Max
I know. Comment was not Delta specific..
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80s quickly

Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:23 am

dstblj52 wrote:
flybaby wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Is that the highest completion factor? That seems low for best. Delta brags about long periods of time with perfect mainline completion factors:
https://news.delta.com/tags/completion-factor

Alas, I fly to a few places that only see regional Aircraft, those I have to know which flight often are cancelled (short last flights out of certain hubs).

Lightsaber


See slide #4 here: http://ir.allegiantair.com/static-files ... f510573ad7

I belive thats 2017 performance not 2019 performance but its not clear


I think it’s 2019 but it’s probably overall completion factor, not controllable completion. Slide #5 shows history.
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