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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:55 pm

would be awesome if somebody would take away the 737's
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:57 pm

I think the special charge on MD-80/90 will be lost in the 2nd quarter bloodletting. It will be the pinprick during the artillery barrage of charges.

hsaviation wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The official retirement announcement - retire in June.
https://news.delta.com/delta-retire-md- ... leets-june


Both the -80s and -90s... :cry:


As noted, more are on the block. Less than 2 months to go.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:59 pm

We all knew this was where we were headed about a month ago, but the offficial words are all out.
Unfortunate that this is way the MD-88 has to go out. It deserved a far better end, far better farewell.
Most of us thought we were going to still get a few more MD88 flights this year.
DL would've had quite the going away party for this fleet, but its not meant to be.
We will remember all the good flights over the decades prior.

The MD-90 fleet, well. Its had a strange existence its entire life. There isn't the nostalgia factor for this type. It has the exotic factor though.


Unfortunately too many vintage, workhorse fleet types leave at times when the industry is in utter turmoil.

We've lost AA 757, AA 767 and now DL MD88 & MD90 during the pandemic downturn. All industry workhorse fleet types that would've been big news and big events on their own right going on but completely overshadowed and lost with everything else going on around us.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:00 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The official retirement announcement - retire in June.
https://news.delta.com/delta-retire-md- ... leets-june


I think the end of the press-release was equally interesting....
"Delta continues to evaluate its broader fleet plan and will consider additional aircraft retirements to focus on a modern, more simplified fleet going forward."

Will be very interesting to see what the fleet make up will be in 2021 and beyond if they make a serious run at fleet simplification given the variety they have.

That would probably be 757s, 767s, and A320s.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:04 pm

When they say June, it is probable that May is the last month of scheduling flying. Supposedly the June schedule isn't going to reflect any scheduled MD88/90 flying and they will all fly off pasture in the first days/week of June.

There is more like 30 days left of MD88/90s at best.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:22 pm

Delta is retiring all MD88s and MD90s effectively in June. https://news.delta.com/delta-retire-md- ... leets-june
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:29 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The official retirement announcement - retire in June.
https://news.delta.com/delta-retire-md- ... leets-june


I think the end of the press-release was equally interesting....
"Delta continues to evaluate its broader fleet plan and will consider additional aircraft retirements to focus on a modern, more simplified fleet going forward."

Will be very interesting to see what the fleet make up will be in 2021 and beyond if they make a serious run at fleet simplification given the variety they have.


Ed basically said yesterday (in regards to fleet) that if it was going to be retired within the next 5 years it will be retired this year.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:34 pm

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I think the special charge on MD-80/90 will be lost in the 2nd quarter bloodletting. It will be the pinprick during the artillery barrage of charges.


IIRC, the MD-90s hadn't been fully depreciated. What are the other charges going to make up?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:15 pm

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Delta is retiring all MD88s and MD90s effectively in June.

Does that mean at least a few will remain flying through the end of May? I would love to get one last flight on these planes but I'm not returning home to the US until May 23rd. Does anyone know which cities out of ATL are still seeing the MDs? Of course, I realize the schedules are probably fluid and could change. Not to mention I'm not sure if I'd get any flack for taking a leisurely daytrip while all this lockdown stuff is going on. On a personal note, I realize they were scheduled to be retired soon anyways, but this is quite sad and the skies are getting a lot less interesting with the T-tails disappearing.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:20 pm

Like everything else we used to do in-person, maybe we can just have a zoom-meeting for the last flights........
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:41 pm

I was really hoping the MD88's were going to hang on until the end of the year, but business is business...

I've had many, many good flights on MD88's back when I was a Medallion-level "road warrior" while working in the aerospace industry. It was a comfortable and quiet ride (at least in the front). The fact that it soldiered on this long is a testament to its good efficiency and solid build quality. It was Delta's ideal plane for connecting medium-sized Southern cities to their ATL hub.

With the MD88 soon to go, I wonder what will happen to mainline service at those Southern cities. Some of those cities might see the occasional B738, A319, or maybe the upcoming, A223, but I bet the bulk of the services (and in some cases, all) will be scaled down to the regionals.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:48 pm

I wouldn't necessarily say its all going to revert to regionals, just that its going to be a long, long time before ATL gets back to 10-12x daily in these markets. Likely going to be mainline at lower frequency for awhile, just getting back to 5-6x would be ideal by the end of the year.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:07 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The official retirement announcement - retire in June.
https://news.delta.com/delta-retire-md- ... leets-june


So end of May or end of June last flights?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:22 pm

My guess is right around June 1 based on timing of this announcement today and the fact that they are just about to push out the revised June schedule probably in this weekends upcoming schedule update, and also the June pilot bid package is about to go out.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:39 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
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I think the special charge on MD-80/90 will be lost in the 2nd quarter bloodletting. It will be the pinprick during the artillery barrage of charges.


IIRC, the MD-90s hadn't been fully depreciated. What are the other charges going to make up?

Parts, depreciation of green time on engines. Other charges will be refunds, cancelled service, any goodwill...

All major airlines are losing April and most of May's revenue. It will be a red wedding.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:01 pm

Sadly the MD-88s and 90s, as well as the 717, was all that was keeping me loyal to Delta (well that and being in SLC) since I have to fly to the east coast every weekend 6 months per year. Delta is not what it used to be service wise and seems to have lost its way. With these beautiful aircraft gone I guess I will be switching to American, I have been told by many its easier to get upgrades on anyway.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:47 pm

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With the MD88 soon to go, I wonder what will happen to mainline service at those Southern cities. Some of those cities might see the occasional B738, A319, or maybe the upcoming, A223, but I bet the bulk of the services (and in some cases, all) will be scaled down to the regionals.


I think 717's will replace MD88's for awhile. I have no idea what will happen when the 717's are gone. I can't see 221's and 223's being used on routes like ATL to JAN, BTR, BHM, AGS, DAB, etc. Maybe 319's.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:51 pm

ehaase wrote:
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With the MD88 soon to go, I wonder what will happen to mainline service at those Southern cities. Some of those cities might see the occasional B738, A319, or maybe the upcoming, A223, but I bet the bulk of the services (and in some cases, all) will be scaled down to the regionals.


I think 717's will replace MD88's for awhile. I have no idea what will happen when the 717's are gone. I can't see 221's and 223's being used on routes like ATL to JAN, BTR, BHM, AGS, DAB, etc. Maybe 319's.


Pre-COVID, cities like MGM, GNV, GPT, AGS, MOB & TYS were at least getting one mainline flight a day from Delta. Post-COVID, all of these stations have been reduced to just branded regional service. Given the reduction in fleet and force, I doubt these stations will see regular mainline service this time next year (AGS excepted, during The Master's week).

I do agree with you about the A221/223's, which have been (or will be) used more for "hub raider" missions for Delta (e.g. LGA-IAH, MSP-DFW, SLC-DEN, etc.).
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:56 pm

I was looking at flights on the Delta website, and I found out that due to the upcoming retirement of their MD80s/90s, more of their routes will be only using larger mainline aircraft starting soon. Here's what I found as of now:

** = What I found surprising

From ATL:

ATL-BDL: Will now be flown with 737-900s.
**ATL-DSM: Will now be flown with 737-800s.
ATL-IAH: Will now be flown with A320s.
**ATL-ICT: Will now be flown with 737-800s.
**ATL-MEM: Will now be flown with 737-800s and A320s.
**ATL-MHT: Will now be flown with 737-800s.
**ATL-OMA: Will now be flown with 737-900s.
ATL-ORD: Will now be flown with A320s and A321s.
ATL-PHL: Will now be flown with 737-800s/900s.
ATL-PIT: Will now be flown with 737-800s/900s.
**ATL-PWM: Will now be flown with 737-800s.
ATL-SAT: Will now be flown with A321s.
ATL-SRQ: Will now be flown with 737-800s/900s.


*Please note that I searched these routes with dates in January 2021, since the MD fleet was originally scheduled to retire by the end of this year.*

I will try my best to search for other routes from DL's other hubs and focus cities that will also soon be using larger mainline aircraft, and are currently being flown with MD80s/90s. But if you find any changes, then feel free to put it in this thread.

Lastly, how do you feel about these changes?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:01 pm

Well.....You won't find any other changes out there since the MD88 and MD90 and exclusively been used on ATL out-and-back flying for about the past 12 months.

And..... the future schedule in January 2021 is completely worthless since it doesn't reflect anything post-COVID at this time. These routes of course are going to still be flown but with some other aircraft types but at completely different/reduced frequencies. Its going to be whatever aircraft in the fleet type are still flying, its a default schedule at this point reflective of whatever was probably flown this past January.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:14 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Well.....You won't find any other changes out there since the MD88 and MD90 and exclusively been used on ATL out-and-back flying for about the past 12 months.

And..... the future schedule in January 2021 is completely worthless since it doesn't reflect anything post-COVID at this time. These routes of course are going to still be flown but with some other aircraft types but at completely different/reduced frequencies. Its going to be whatever aircraft in the fleet type are still flying, its a default schedule at this point reflective of whatever was probably flown this past January.


Thanks for the correction. The reason I looked this up was because I was curious to see what Delta would do with the routes, that’s all.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 12:31 am

Polot wrote:
brooklynchris13 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The official retirement announcement - retire in June.
https://news.delta.com/delta-retire-md- ... leets-june


I think the end of the press-release was equally interesting....
"Delta continues to evaluate its broader fleet plan and will consider additional aircraft retirements to focus on a modern, more simplified fleet going forward."

Will be very interesting to see what the fleet make up will be in 2021 and beyond if they make a serious run at fleet simplification given the variety they have.

That would probably be 757s, 767s, and A320s.


The 757s have A321s coming to replace, but that is so much capacity to replace/park.

The 767s have no replacement and are the backbone of the long-haul fleet still - NMA hello.

A320, more A321s could help cover, as that is an uptick in capacity.

You have to wonder what international will look like and if they bifurcate the network with more A220s?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 12:57 am

RIP to the MadDog the state of the industry is really depressing.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 1:07 am

If I had to guess here is the likely fall-out from a fleet perspective, going from the pre-COVID fleet as of Feb.

-47 MD88s (100% of fleet)
-29 MD90s (100% of fleet)
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76 confirmed ~10% of total mainline fleet

Very Plausible ---
20-30 A320
10-20 763
20-30 752 (most likely 75Ds)
30-91 717s
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Additional 80- 171 aircraft for a total of 156 - 247 aircraft

Wildcard - of additional retirements that could happen, more based on where they are at in their maintenance cycles. These will probably be put into more of a long term storage and reactivated as conditions make sense long into the future:
5-10 A319
10-20 738
5-10 764
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Additional 20 - 40 aircraft

The 717 is a big wildcard. If they end of getting Boeing to some type of a deal to terminate leases on some or all of the fleet, that probably indirectly helps keep more A319/A320 around in the near-term.
The other big wildcard is how the revised delivery plan with Airbus shakes out with all the planned deliveries over the next 2 years.

I don't really see any scenarios where they outright eliminate the entire 757 or 767 fleets for a variety of reasons.
The 717 fleet is the only one really entirely in the crosshairs.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 1:40 am

So Delta is the final operator of the MD-90, correct?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 1:42 am

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So Delta is the final operator of the MD-90, correct?

Yes, correct. They've been the only operator ever since UNI Air retired their last ones a few years ago, IIRC.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 1:58 am

There is way TOO MUCH speculation here about Delta retiring the MD-88 and MD-90 aircraft. I think the chapter needs to stop. The MD-88s were going to be retired this year so Delta might as well retire them earlier this year. Delta might as well move up the MD-90 retirement as they were planning on retiring them shortly after the MD-88s and they all need to have the passenger seats replaced per the FAA. They would only spend a lot of on seat replacements only to find they will need to retire them due to expensive maintenance problems including engines that are difficult and expensive to maintain. The 717s will also need the passenger seats replaced but they have about eighty and most of them are leased and have some life left in them. Delta can replace the passenger seats under the FAA mandate and continue flying them until the leases expire. By then there should be enough A220s flying for Delta to replace the 717s and Boeing can park them in the desert except for the ten or so that Delta owns. Hawaiian can cherry pick a half dozen or so of the best to use as spares or replace those that are getting long on the tooth. I am sure there is no other airline that may have a need for them and they will become Boeing's problem. Also, in my honest opinion Delta will not be obtaining any tainted 737MAX aircraft. Boeing needs to get designing and building a new from scratch narrow body aircraft NOW or they will become the aircraft of AIRBUS. :old:
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 5:06 am

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With the MD88 soon to go, I wonder what will happen to mainline service at those Southern cities. Some of those cities might see the occasional B738, A319, or maybe the upcoming, A223, but I bet the bulk of the services (and in some cases, all) will be scaled down to the regionals.


I think 717's will replace MD88's for awhile. I have no idea what will happen when the 717's are gone. I can't see 221's and 223's being used on routes like ATL to JAN, BTR, BHM, AGS, DAB, etc. Maybe 319's.

Delta doesn’t have enough A221s to fly these routes. They would use the A319/320 and/or 738s bc they have around the same amount of seats as the MD88s and MD90s
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 5:17 am

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Sadly the MD-88s and 90s, as well as the 717, was all that was keeping me loyal to Delta (well that and being in SLC) since I have to fly to the east coast every weekend 6 months per year. Delta is not what it used to be service wise and seems to have lost its way. With these beautiful aircraft gone I guess I will be switching to American, I have been told by many its easier to get upgrades on anyway.


You are joking right. You think service has gone down at Delta and AA is your answer. Are you telling me you would prefer a Md88/M90 and 717 over a A220? Same configuration yet wider seats and bigger windows. You will find a lot of those routes taking over by A223 on the low end and 321 on the high end.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 6:12 am

The writing was on the wall these last two months, with the progressive parking at BYH and the MD-90s going down to <10 active this month. Ed mentioned last week on the investor call the MD-90 was just a decision away, and we got the formal press release today. It's good to be right.

Unfortunately there isn't enough A220 in the fleet, all the A320s are parked for good reason, and they are using as many A319s as they can that don't require a check soon.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 9:27 am

The BR715's on the 717, is this engine still have good parts & service availability, or is it fading. Hawaiian would probably want some of the 717's and other parked in the desert for parts. For inter island the BR715 are one of the remaining engines that handles the crazy high cycle with little chance to cool between flights.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 2:04 pm

NWAROOSTER wrote:
There is way TOO MUCH speculation here about Delta retiring the MD-88 and MD-90 aircraft. I think the chapter needs to stop. The MD-88s were going to be retired this year so Delta might as well retire them earlier this year. Delta might as well move up the MD-90 retirement as they were planning on retiring them shortly after the MD-88s and they all need to have the passenger seats replaced per the FAA. They would only spend a lot of on seat replacements only to find they will need to retire them due to expensive maintenance problems including engines that are difficult and expensive to maintain. The 717s will also need the passenger seats replaced but they have about eighty and most of them are leased and have some life left in them. Delta can replace the passenger seats under the FAA mandate and continue flying them until the leases expire. By then there should be enough A220s flying for Delta to replace the 717s and Boeing can park them in the desert except for the ten or so that Delta owns. Hawaiian can cherry pick a half dozen or so of the best to use as spares or replace those that are getting long on the tooth. I am sure there is no other airline that may have a need for them and they will become Boeing's problem. Also, in my honest opinion Delta will not be obtaining any tainted 737MAX aircraft. Boeing needs to get designing and building a new from scratch narrow body aircraft NOW or they will become the aircraft of AIRBUS. :old:

I guess you didn't hear. There is no more speculation. The MD88 and 90 fleets are retiring by June. It was brought up in Thursdays TechOps town hall discussion. They didn't didn't give a hard date, but they did say they are both gone.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 3:39 pm

Are the Tech Ops Town Halls on DLNet or SkyHub?
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 4:27 pm

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The BR715's on the 717, is this engine still have good parts & service availability, or is it fading. Hawaiian would probably want some of the 717's and other parked in the desert for parts. For inter island the BR715 are one of the remaining engines that handles the crazy high cycle with little chance to cool between flights.


The BR715 is a member of the RR BR700 family of engines. Versions of the BR700's are used on the Bombadier Global Express 5000 and 6000, plus the Gulfstream V, 550 and 650. All these aircraft are still in production. There is even a future development program for this family of engines known as the Pearl, which has plans for lower noise and 10% lower SPC. So the answer to your question is that the aftermarket support from RR for the B717's engines should be good for years to come.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_BR700

I think the limiting factors for Delta continuing flying the B717's appears to be the cost required to comply with the AD concerning their Zodiac passenger seats and that most of the fleet is past, or approaching the 20-year age milestone. While the DC-9 airframe that was the basis for the MD95/B717 is renowned for its longevity, I'm thinking that many of its airframe replacement parts will be getting more expensive and in shorter supply.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 01, 2020 7:23 pm

I believe a variant of the BR715 is in the running for the B-52 re-engining program. RR promised to build an assembly line in Indianapolis The USAF found it cheaper to stay with 8 engines vs going to new pylons and 4 large turbofans.
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    Sat May 02, 2020 12:10 am

    ehaase wrote:
    FLALEFTY wrote:
    With the MD88 soon to go, I wonder what will happen to mainline service at those Southern cities. Some of those cities might see the occasional B738, A319, or maybe the upcoming, A223, but I bet the bulk of the services (and in some cases, all) will be scaled down to the regionals.


    I think 717's will replace MD88's for awhile. I have no idea what will happen when the 717's are gone. I can't see 221's and 223's being used on routes like ATL to JAN, BTR, BHM, AGS, DAB, etc. Maybe 319's.


    None of these cities will be getting regional service to ATL, that's for sure. It will shift to A319/A320 or B737 I can imagine at most of the ones you mentioned. BHM will definitely not have regional service to ATL I can almost assure that
     
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    Sat May 02, 2020 12:17 am

    FLALEFTY wrote:
    ehaase wrote:
    FLALEFTY wrote:
    With the MD88 soon to go, I wonder what will happen to mainline service at those Southern cities. Some of those cities might see the occasional B738, A319, or maybe the upcoming, A223, but I bet the bulk of the services (and in some cases, all) will be scaled down to the regionals.


    I think 717's will replace MD88's for awhile. I have no idea what will happen when the 717's are gone. I can't see 221's and 223's being used on routes like ATL to JAN, BTR, BHM, AGS, DAB, etc. Maybe 319's.


    Pre-COVID, cities like MGM, GNV, GPT, AGS, MOB & TYS were at least getting one mainline flight a day from Delta. Post-COVID, all of these stations have been reduced to just branded regional service. Given the reduction in fleet and force, I doubt these stations will see regular mainline service this time next year (AGS excepted, during The Master's week).

    I do agree with you about the A221/223's, which have been (or will be) used more for "hub raider" missions for Delta (e.g. LGA-IAH, MSP-DFW, SLC-DEN, etc.).


    I'm not sure about some of the cities you mentioned but I know that MGM was not getting mainline service from DL at all. It was primarily CRJ2. MOB was getting one A320 a day I believe, as I'm sure is the case with some of these others.
     
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 12:37 am

    NWAROOSTER wrote:
    There is way TOO MUCH speculation here about Delta retiring the MD-88 and MD-90 aircraft.


    There shouldn't be anymore since it is public news that they are gone for good next month.
     
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 1:12 pm

    So what are the routes that the MD88 and MD90 are currently flying?
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 1:43 pm

    MD8090orDRIVE wrote:
    Sadly the MD-88s and 90s, as well as the 717, was all that was keeping me loyal to Delta (well that and being in SLC) since I have to fly to the east coast every weekend 6 months per year. Delta is not what it used to be service wise and seems to have lost its way. With these beautiful aircraft gone I guess I will be switching to American, I have been told by many its easier to get upgrades on anyway.


    What are you referring to as Delta’s service not what it used to be? It’s only been getting better and if you’re only loyal to Delta because 20+ year old aircraft, you have weird standards and don’t realize what service is about.
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 4:27 pm

    Delta350 wrote:
    So what are the routes that the MD88 and MD90 are currently flying?


    If you scroll through the ATL arrival pages on Flight Aware, you can find the MD88 & MD90 flights still being flown. ATL is the only base for DL's MD aircraft and all flights are out-and-back from that hub.

    https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KA ... ;sort=DESC
     
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 6:10 pm

    N839MH wrote:
    MD8090orDRIVE wrote:
    Sadly the MD-88s and 90s, as well as the 717, was all that was keeping me loyal to Delta (well that and being in SLC) since I have to fly to the east coast every weekend 6 months per year. Delta is not what it used to be service wise and seems to have lost its way. With these beautiful aircraft gone I guess I will be switching to American, I have been told by many its easier to get upgrades on anyway.


    What are you referring to as Delta’s service not what it used to be? It’s only been getting better and if you’re only loyal to Delta because 20+ year old aircraft, you have weird standards and don’t realize what service is about.

    There are 3 US airlines I have never had trouble with the service, DL is one.

    As an AVGeek, I'm sad the T-tails are fading. As someone whose bose headphones battery died when sitting by the engines, I'm not.

    In this crisis, DL must simplify the fleet. The MD-88 and -90 make sense to scrap, unfortunately. Now where will DL pull down the other 250 to 300 other aircraft? That is the debate.

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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 6:28 pm

    The retirement of the entire DL fleet of MD-90's and MD-88's, at a relatively short notice, puts out to pasture airplanes both close to a major check, and those with time on them left. Engines with "green time" will be around, too.

    Question -- will there be, in users' opinion, a second life for any of these MD-88 (at this point, a long shot, I know)? What about MD-90's (even longer shot, indeed)?
    Or is scrapping for parts all we can expect from them?
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 7:09 pm

    micstatic wrote:
    would be awesome if somebody would take away the 737's


    Seriously. I avoid these things as much as possible, but they're on most of the EWR flights now. The 900 is particularly bad. It feels like the seats are closer together and too hard, I've been on multiple flights that were both very hot and dry. They also tend to be on longer flights, so it's harder to put up with.
     
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 7:17 pm

    Unfortunately, when Delta retires their last MD-90, it will almost certainly be the last MD-90 ever to fly.
     
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 7:41 pm

    When Delta sends its last MD-90 to the retirement hangar, the pilots will fly back on an ex-Northwest DC-9. :lol:
     
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 7:42 pm

    Phosphorus wrote:
    The retirement of the entire DL fleet of MD-90's and MD-88's, at a relatively short notice, puts out to pasture airplanes both close to a major check, and those with time on them left. Engines with "green time" will be around, too.

    Question -- will there be, in users' opinion, a second life for any of these MD-88 (at this point, a long shot, I know)? What about MD-90's (even longer shot, indeed)?
    Or is scrapping for parts all we can expect from them?


    Here's a list of active MD80 aircraft:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... _operators

    When Delta's 24 MD88's are retired, there might be as many as 150 MD80's still considered still active.

    As for the MD90's, I think they are done and over with after Delta parks them.
     
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 7:52 pm

    FLALEFTY wrote:
    Phosphorus wrote:
    The retirement of the entire DL fleet of MD-90's and MD-88's, at a relatively short notice, puts out to pasture airplanes both close to a major check, and those with time on them left. Engines with "green time" will be around, too.

    Question -- will there be, in users' opinion, a second life for any of these MD-88 (at this point, a long shot, I know)? What about MD-90's (even longer shot, indeed)?
    Or is scrapping for parts all we can expect from them?


    Here's a list of active MD80 aircraft:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M ... _operators

    When Delta's 24 MD88's are retired, there might be as many as 150 MD80's still considered still active.

    As for the MD90's, I think they are done and over with after Delta parks them.


    Yes, and planespotters and airfleets try to keep an eye on the operator lists too. Question is rather, whether Delta's specific frames will find a new home...
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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 7:53 pm

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    Are the Tech Ops Town Halls on DLNet or SkyHub?

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    Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

    Sat May 02, 2020 7:53 pm

    Phosphorus wrote:
    The retirement of the entire DL fleet of MD-90's and MD-88's, at a relatively short notice, puts out to pasture airplanes both close to a major check, and those with time on them left. Engines with "green time" will be around, too.

    Question -- will there be, in users' opinion, a second life for any of these MD-88 (at this point, a long shot, I know)? What about MD-90's (even longer shot, indeed)?
    Or is scrapping for parts all we can expect from them?

    Delta is the only United States airline still operating the MD-80, which they will retire by the end of June, 2020. There will most likely be NO future for any retired MD-80 type aircraft. There are some MD-80s are being flown by obscure airlines. They are old and getting expensive to maintain for any airline wanting to acquire any MD-80 except maybe for parts or to to use green time engines.
    Delta Air Lines is the only user of the MD-90 aircraft except for a couple. Delta had been acquiring MD-90s, except for Saudi built MD-90 aircraft as they have a very different cockpit, for parts only. They use a IAE V2525-D5 power plant which is only overhauled in New Zealand and is expensive to do so. Delta has decided to retire these aircraft by the end of June, 2020 and there is no future for them. They like the MD-80 will likely all get parted out. Their time is up but I am sure the scraper will be in no hurry to break up the aircraft. The green time engines may be removed for possible use along with any cockpit items and E&E items that have a future left in them.
    The only T-tail aircraft that will see any future is the 717 and only Delta and Hawaiian Airlines operate them. Delta may operate theirs until the leases are up. Hawaiian Airlines may need to operate the 717 which uses the BMW Rolls Royce BR700 power plant which cools down enough to do the quick turn arounds they need in their operation. Hawaiian may acquire a few 717s as spares or to replace some of their higher cycle 717s. I am sure Hawaiian will be looking for a replacement for the 717. :old:
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