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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 02, 2020 8:02 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
NWAESC wrote:
Are the Tech Ops Town Halls on DLNet or SkyHub?

SkyHub under Techops happenings. Thursdays at 11am.


TechOps happenings is a closed group. I assume only TechOps people can view the town halls.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 02, 2020 8:30 pm

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Hawaiian Airlines may need to operate the 717 which uses the BMW Rolls Royce BR700 power plant which cools down enough to do the quick turn arounds they need in their operation. Hawaiian may acquire a few 717s as spares or to replace some of their higher cycle 717s. I am sure Hawaiian will be looking for a replacement for the 717. :old:


They have about 20 flying inter island so not a big fleet, as I recall from the quick turn threads the BR700 is basically the only modern engine a commercial passenger plane. So Hawaiian may pick up say 20 to put in the desert for parts or trade out. That may buy them a decade or so further operation.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 02, 2020 8:36 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
NWAROOSTER wrote:
Hawaiian Airlines may need to operate the 717 which uses the BMW Rolls Royce BR700 power plant which cools down enough to do the quick turn arounds they need in their operation. Hawaiian may acquire a few 717s as spares or to replace some of their higher cycle 717s. I am sure Hawaiian will be looking for a replacement for the 717. :old:


They have about 20 flying inter island so not a big fleet, as I recall from the quick turn threads the BR700 is basically the only modern engine a commercial passenger plane. So Hawaiian may pick up say 20 to put in the desert for parts or trade out. That may buy them a decade or so further operation.


Pre-COVID, only Volotea was mentioned as an operator, looking to retire 717's. All others looked at adding, and a prospect of a bidding war, for Volotea frames, between remaining operators, was mentioned.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 02, 2020 9:23 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
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Are the Tech Ops Town Halls on DLNet or SkyHub?

SkyHub under Techops happenings. Thursdays at 11am.


Thanks! I’d just like to see what’s happening in other groups.

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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 2:40 am

Delta350 wrote:
So what are the routes that the MD88 and MD90 are currently flying?


There are still several MD-88 routes, but the only remaining MD-90 routes for May are ATL-HOU and ATL-BUF. They should all be gone by June 1st.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 3:19 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Be on the lookout for the special charge/accelerated depreciation of MD-90 planes and parts.


Given what DL paid for them, and the passage of time, the amount will be pretty small -- a drop in the bucket in the loss they're going to report for the year.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 3:48 am

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
So what are the routes that the MD88 and MD90 are currently flying?


There are still several MD-88 routes, but the only remaining MD-90 routes for May are ATL-HOU and ATL-BUF. They should all be gone by June 1st.


That’s correct, but if you look at the Delta booking site, there are still some flights after June 1st that show MD88/90s as their equipment. These flights are from ATL to SRQ, PVD, DSM, ICT, PHL, and PIT.

I believe that the flights that show MD88/90s after June 1st have the wrong equipment information, and I also believe that Delta is in the process of fixing this.

As of now, ATL-OMA and ATL-IAH have the correct equipment information after June 1st. ATL-IAH will use A320s starting the day after the end of an era, and ATL-OMA will use 717-200s through the end of September, and will change to 737-900s starting October 1st.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 5:48 am

Earlier in this thread it was mentioned the seats in the MD-90s and 717s would have to be replaced or modified. Looking at pictures of the 767-300ER interiors, it appears they have the same exact seat, but with an IFE screen





Presumably these will also need to be replaced as well if they are the same seat
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 7:06 am

Iggy500 wrote:
I believe that the flights that show MD88/90s after June 1st have the wrong equipment information, and I also believe that Delta is in the process of fixing this.

As of now, ATL-OMA and ATL-IAH have the correct equipment information after June 1st. ATL-IAH will use A320s starting the day after the end of an era, and ATL-OMA will use 717-200s through the end of September, and will change to 737-900s starting October 1st.


Schedules from June onward are unreliable; there are hundreds of flights that will be purged, and equipment on hundreds more that will change. As it is, DL's still actively updating its May schedule.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 1:32 pm

DL767STR wrote:
Earlier in this thread it was mentioned the seats in the MD-90s and 717s would have to be replaced or modified. Looking at pictures of the 767-300ER interiors, it appears they have the same exact seat, but with an IFE screen





Presumably these will also need to be replaced as well if they are the same seat


Maybe the old Midwest airlines 2x2 seats are laying around somewhere.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 1:56 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
So what are the routes that the MD88 and MD90 are currently flying?


There are still several MD-88 routes, but the only remaining MD-90 routes for May are ATL-HOU and ATL-BUF. They should all be gone by June 1st.


It's IAH, not HOU.............HOU has 717
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 2:43 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
I believe that the flights that show MD88/90s after June 1st have the wrong equipment information, and I also believe that Delta is in the process of fixing this.

As of now, ATL-OMA and ATL-IAH have the correct equipment information after June 1st. ATL-IAH will use A320s starting the day after the end of an era, and ATL-OMA will use 717-200s through the end of September, and will change to 737-900s starting October 1st.


Schedules from June onward are unreliable; there are hundreds of flights that will be purged, and equipment on hundreds more that will change. As it is, DL's still actively updating its May schedule.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 3:06 pm

727LOVER wrote:
KMCOFlyer wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
So what are the routes that the MD88 and MD90 are currently flying?


There are still several MD-88 routes, but the only remaining MD-90 routes for May are ATL-HOU and ATL-BUF. They should all be gone by June 1st.


It's IAH, not HOU.............HOU has 717


Oops my mistake, that’s what I meant to say.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 9:37 pm

Speaking of the remaining MD-88 routes, anyone know what is up with DL 1317 today? Flightaware shows it operated IAD-ATL normally, but Google shows it diverted to ORF, and delta.com shows it was scheduled to operate IAD-ORF-ATL, but went IAD-ATL. Did they declare a diversion and then cancel it?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 10:20 pm

miguel0881 wrote:
Speaking of the remaining MD-88 routes, anyone know what is up with DL 1317 today? Flightaware shows it operated IAD-ATL normally, but Google shows it diverted to ORF, and delta.com shows it was scheduled to operate IAD-ORF-ATL, but went IAD-ATL. Did they declare a diversion and then cancel it?

Flightaware shows DL 1183 the 07.00 ORF-ATL was cancelled. Perhaps a flag-stop was planned and then removed.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 10:21 pm

Are we certain that June 1 is the last day?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 03, 2020 10:47 pm

WN732 wrote:
Are we certain that June 1 is the last day?

It's unclear for now, all we know is that it'll happen in June, or by June.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 12:07 am

MDGLongBeach wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Are we certain that June 1 is the last day?

It's unclear for now, all we know is that it'll happen in June, or by June.


I am sure the MD-88s and MD-90s of Delta will be keeping these 757s of Delta company somewhere by the end of June, 2020. :old:
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 6:27 pm

Quasi topical - it looks like there's an influx of DL narrowbodies heading to MZJ in the next few days. I count 9 today, 10 tommorrow and a couple yesterday. Mostly A321s and 739s, but there's a couple 757s in there as well.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 7:27 pm

Supposedly June 1st or June 2nd is going to be the final day of MD88/90 scheduled flying. The current "May" schedule runs through June 1.

The new world order schedule for June domestic flying has not yet been loaded for sale yet takes effect on June 2.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 8:56 pm

Do you have an expectation when that new June schedule will be loaded?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 9:15 pm

Probably starting to see chunks of it loaded this weekend. Look for clues if they start zero'ing out inventory throughout the week.
The current June domestic schedule essentially reflects most of what was loaded pre-Covid.

Based on APC scuttle here is some high / low-lights:
MD88-90 flying done with the end of the May schedule (June 1, maybe June 2 as the return of RON and/or ferry flights)
717 flying consolidated to ATL (no NYC, DTW, MSP 717 flying, or if any in small quantities flown with reserve crews from those bases)
Essentially no scheduled 757 / 767 flying from DTW, MSP, SLC other than the daily DTW-AMS 763
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 9:21 pm

How many 757/767s are left in DL fleet that will keep operating?
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 9:39 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The most unceremonious retirements ever.

The DL we knew prior to mid-March 2020 is dead. Not sure what shape or form this airline or industry resurrects itself to be.


At least we sill have a chance to book a flight on an MD.

AA retired their 757 and 767 fleets with no notice.

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
So what are the routes that the MD88 and MD90 are currently flying?


There are still several MD-88 routes, but the only remaining MD-90 routes for May are ATL-HOU and ATL-BUF. They should all be gone by June 1st.


ATL-PHL appears to be one of the remaining MD-88 routes.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 9:49 pm

My over/under is that things with have to be extremely awful and terrible for DL to outright retire its entire 752, 753, 763, 764 fleets. This represents so much capacity, well beyond what is mentioned below, replacement capacity that was on order, and any projected downturn over the next 5 years.

IMHO, good chance than at least 50% of the 752s are done (especially 75Ds), 50% of 763s, and the handful of un-mod'ed 764s may be never fly again.
Not to mention ~50% of A320s, a handful of 738s, and anywhere from 30-100% of the 717 fleet.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 9:54 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
My over/under is that things with have to be extremely awful and terrible for DL to outright retire its entire 752, 753, 763, 764 fleets. This represents so much capacity,...............


With this much fleet slashing you have to wonder since no one has brought it up yet what cities might be cut.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 9:58 pm

OB1504 wrote:
AA retired their 757 and 767 fleets with no notice.


Actually in March they announced they would retire the 767 in May 2020 and the 757 at the end of summer 2021. There was a bit of notice but it was accelerated much quicker to March 2020.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 10:34 pm

Ishrion wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
AA retired their 757 and 767 fleets with no notice.


Actually in March they announced they would retire the 767 in May 2020 and the 757 at the end of summer 2021. There was a bit of notice but it was accelerated much quicker to March 2020.


Right, with the acceleration a lot of us didn't have a chance to get a last flight in.

Does anyone have a list of remaining MD-88/90 routes?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 10:43 pm

Just took my last DL MD-88 flight this past Saturday. A great flight, and then got to see the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds fly over the ATL airport from the parking deck shortly after my arrival. Fantastic pilots who kept us well informed during the flight and let me take one last shot of the cockpit on the way out, but sadly noted it very well could be their last flight, and that any next plans were up in the air at this point. Best of luck to them, and many thanks for their years of service!
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Mon May 04, 2020 11:13 pm

For the people that keep asking "where are MD88 and MD90s remaining"?

- All remaining MD-88 & MD90 flying is out and back from ATL. The MD88s have been ATL out-and-back (other than sports charters) since Summer 2018. The MD90s have all been ATL out and back Summer 2019

- Best bet to see where they are still going: Go to Flightaware and look at the past day's departures. That's where they are going. If anything that list of cities if probably going to dwindle as the month goes on

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MD90 from ATL
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Thu May 07, 2020 10:14 am

So if JetBlue can do a flyover, surely Delta can do SOMETHING for the MD-88/90 retirement. How cool would it be to see a pair of MD-88/90s do a flyover of the city of Atlanta? They could roll a salute to everyone and the retirement celebration in to one spectacular event!

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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 08, 2020 12:58 am

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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri May 08, 2020 9:53 pm

According to a thread on the same topic over on Flyertalk, the last DL MD-88 flight scheduled is DL80 from IAD-ATL on the morning of 6/2 and the last MD-90 flight scheduled is DL90 from IAH-ATL also on the morning of 6/2. These flights aren’t showing yet on DL.com as DL hasn’t uploaded the June schedule online yet, but it can be found using DLs Interactive route map (https://dl.fltmaps.com/en) and search by using the flights tab in the top right corner.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 09, 2020 1:50 am



Less than 7 years later, at least 3 of 4 types will no longer be flying.

DC-9-50: January 2014
MD-88: June 2020
MD-90: June 2020
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 09, 2020 7:25 pm

Final flights appear to be confirmed - both on June 2, 2020 with special flight numbers.

DL80 from Washington-Dulles (IAD) to Atlanta with MD-88
DL90 from Houston-Intercontinental (IAH) to Atlanta with MD-90

https://twitter.com/GoldboxATL/status/1 ... 8297638912
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 09, 2020 7:38 pm

The June schedule has been updated and it appears that the remaining MD88/MD90s cities will be moved to the following effective June 2:
BUF: B712
DAB: B712
BDL: B738
IAH: B712
MEM: B712
ORF: B712
CHS: B712
CLE: B712
IND: B712
MCI: Mix of B712 and E175
OMA: B712
BNA: B712
ECP: B712
PHL: B738
PIT: B712
RDU: B738
RIC: B712
SAT: A319
SRQ: B712
STL: B712
IAD: B712
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 09, 2020 8:46 pm

I am pretty aggravated. I don't know if I'd ultimately have been willing to take that flight anyway, given the pandemic, but I had a seat booked, clicked "Pay" and then it said there was a problem with the credit card processing system. Tried again and it told me the flight was sold out. So if you are sitting in 28A, congrats, and enjoy my seat. :?

Hopefully someone will get a good recording, and maybe I'll get to fly on one before then (but looks like probably not).
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 09, 2020 9:29 pm

I'm booked on DL80. Hope to see some fellow 88 fans onboard.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 09, 2020 9:53 pm

ThomasMTroxell wrote:
I'm booked on DL80. Hope to see some fellow 88 fans onboard.


If the flight sold out in less than a day, almost a month ahead of time, in the middle of a global pandemic, I'm guessing most if not all pax are MD-88 fans. :smile:

I'm booked in 23A on DL80 but I wouldn't be opposed to trading someone for 33E/34A/34E :bouncy:
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 09, 2020 10:45 pm

NWAJT8D wrote:
ThomasMTroxell wrote:
I'm booked on DL80. Hope to see some fellow 88 fans onboard.


If the flight sold out in less than a day, almost a month ahead of time, in the middle of a global pandemic, I'm guessing most if not all pax are MD-88 fans. :smile:

I'm booked in 23A on DL80 but I wouldn't be opposed to trading someone for 33E/34A/34E :bouncy:


No way it sold out that fast. My guess is it will be "packed' (i.e., with social distancing) with DL employees on ATL-IAD-ATL for some commemoration event.

DL90 from IAH-ATL is also "sold out" for probably the same reason.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 11:09 pm

NWAJT8D wrote:
ThomasMTroxell wrote:
I'm booked on DL80. Hope to see some fellow 88 fans onboard.


If the flight sold out in less than a day, almost a month ahead of time, in the middle of a global pandemic, I'm guessing most if not all pax are MD-88 fans. :smile:

I'm booked in 23A on DL80 but I wouldn't be opposed to trading someone for 33E/34A/34E :bouncy:


I'm in 34C. It was all that was left in the back. I wanted to a window but hey at least I'm on the flight! I also was on DL2014 the last scheduled DC-9 flight from MSP to ATL and the last AirTran flight. I've got an obsession for t-tails.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sat May 09, 2020 11:29 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Final flights appear to be confirmed - both on June 2, 2020 with special flight numbers.

DL80 from Washington-Dulles (IAD) to Atlanta with MD-88
DL90 from Houston-Intercontinental (IAH) to Atlanta with MD-90

https://twitter.com/GoldboxATL/status/1 ... 8297638912



IIRC, when Delta retired the DC-8 in May 1989, the last flight was IAD-ATL.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 10, 2020 12:45 am

A lot of seats are blocked; I didn’t see what they did on the 2 seat side, but with all of those middle seats gone, that’s a lot of capacity.

It’s not implausible to think 100 people like this plane.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 10, 2020 1:33 am

Runway28L wrote:
The June schedule has been updated and it appears that the remaining MD88/MD90s cities will be moved to the following effective June 2:
BUF: B712
DAB: B712
BDL: B738
IAH: B712
MEM: B712
ORF: B712
CHS: B712
CLE: B712
IND: B712
MCI: Mix of B712 and E175
OMA: B712
BNA: B712
ECP: B712
PHL: B738
PIT: B712
RDU: B738
RIC: B712
SAT: A319
SRQ: B712
STL: B712
IAD: B712


So B712s will be used on most of these routes, huh? I guess this means that Delta is the new AirTran lol.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 10, 2020 1:56 am

319s are on ATL-PWM for July.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 10, 2020 2:01 am

Supposed effective in June all 717 flying for the time being is being consolidated to ATL.

A lot of that is to cover MD88 routes and to simplify operations.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 10, 2020 3:52 am

Runway28L wrote:
The June schedule has been updated and it appears that the remaining MD88/MD90s cities will be moved to the following effective June 2:
BUF: B712


Looks like that's only for June, from what I can see. It'll be a B738 from July onward.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 10, 2020 10:56 am

ThomasMTroxell wrote:
NWAJT8D wrote:
ThomasMTroxell wrote:
I'm booked on DL80. Hope to see some fellow 88 fans onboard.


If the flight sold out in less than a day, almost a month ahead of time, in the middle of a global pandemic, I'm guessing most if not all pax are MD-88 fans. :smile:

I'm booked in 23A on DL80 but I wouldn't be opposed to trading someone for 33E/34A/34E :bouncy:


I'm in 34C. It was all that was left in the back. I wanted to a window but hey at least I'm on the flight! I also was on DL2014 the last scheduled DC-9 flight from MSP to ATL and the last AirTran flight. I've got an obsession for t-tails.


The flight sold out, so I booked RIC-ATL, the 2nd to last flight. Hope to meet you all there!
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 10, 2020 12:12 pm

KBUF wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
The June schedule has been updated and it appears that the remaining MD88/MD90s cities will be moved to the following effective June 2:
BUF: B712


Looks like that's only for June, from what I can see. It'll be a B738 from July onward.


I don't believe July is firmed up. Looking at a few routes, July '20 is showing maybe 90% of the capacity that ran July '19, and IMHO that's wholly unrealistic. Looking at enilria's report this week you can see how they just got around to wiping out June - and I do mean wiping out, as in zeroing out many route frequencies.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun May 10, 2020 1:02 pm

KBUF wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
The June schedule has been updated and it appears that the remaining MD88/MD90s cities will be moved to the following effective June 2:
BUF: B712


Looks like that's only for June, from what I can see. It'll be a B738 from July onward.


July is a placeholder schedule right now
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