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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:59 pm

Does anyone know why the seating differed between the M88 and the M90? The M88 had the two seats on the right while the M90 had the two seats on the left (when looking forward).
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:50 pm

M88 were reliable and fine but didn't care for them overall. If they did this to the 757 right now, that would be much worse.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:15 am

Oilman wrote:
Does anyone know why the seating differed between the M88 and the M90? The M88 had the two seats on the right while the M90 had the two seats on the left (when looking forward).


The 3-2 seating allowed for a full width galley in the back.

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While 2-3 typically have two narrow galleys back to back. Delta's MD-90s had the back to back setup along with a small galley forward of the aft right lav. I don't know if any MD-90s were 3-2.

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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:37 am

First memory on an MD88 was PHX to CVG connecting to a newly delivered 772ER to LGW. Sat in the back, window view partially blocked. Having mostly flown Southwest and America West, getting that full meal was a shocker, but that sound was one of the things that got me hooked on aviation.

Northwest1988 wrote:
N312RC wrote:
ryanov wrote:
I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.


+1 on this, I was there as well and it was disheartening to see these kids acting the way they were. Some of us were just shaking our heads at the overall behavior. No social distancing, no real mask usage. On top of that, although they were on paid tickets, most insisted on wearing their airline ID's (rule 1 is don't wear your airline ID when you travel). Hint: you don't look cool, you just look ridiculous. Most individuals also tagged the inside of the airplane not with clever, reverent, or even downright "nice" words about the Mad Dog, but instead chose to promote themselves by writing web addresses, twitter handles, and the like all over the airplane. There's a fine line between hobby and fetish, and I think some came dangerously close to that line yesterday.


When it comes to writing on the inside of the plane and wearing airline IDs, I agree that needs to be a certain level of respect there. But as far as social distancing is concerned, they are having fun and I think it’s good for people to come together for something good in these times. After all, how many of you have stayed 6 feet apart in a grocery store only to touch the credit card reader upon check out after who knows how many people have touched it already? That’s just one example. And for how much people have been apart from each other and the fact that these planes are wiped down before each flight, your probably at less of a risk there than any place else.


They were having fun enjoying their hobby. If there was someone with a compromised immune system, they probably weren't on the flight. As you called out, they paid to be there. Enjoy the moment.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:11 am

My first MD-80 flight was in 1993 on an AA MD-82 from ORD-RDU. Ironically, also my last AA Super 80 round trip in Dec 2018, just before ORD was discontinued. There were some 60 legs in between on AA MD-80s.

But my first DL MD-88 was not until 2010 on NAS-ATL. The DL MD-88s were a nice contrast from the AA aircraft. A "modernized" classic to some degree, thanks large in part to the circa 2009-10 cabin refresh. I was fortunate to get on N917DL and N995DL this past week on ATL-PHL-ATL. Including the return leg on 6/1. Spotting at ATL that afternoon while I awaited my Diesel 95 on the way home was somber and surreal. Knowing that it was the last full day of normal MD-80 operations at ATL for DL. Save for some A220s, 757s, and 717s, spotting at ATL became quite dull and ordinary overnight.

I never cared for the lack of IFE (I didn't become an AV geek to press low def touch screens), but always considered the unique nuances of the aircraft to be it's own entertainment. Beyond the obvious of the cabin configuration and unobstructed view thanks to the rear wing, the engine start-up, high frequency whine as the take-off throttle advanced, the steep climb-outs, hydraulic sounds of the slat/flap retraction, the overall feel that it was being hand flown for the first few thousand feet by cables - all these unique nuances I found incredibly endearing in a world of fully computerized RJs and bland vanilla mix of 737/A32X aircraft. I sure wish IS&S had been able to deliver on the flightdeck update some six years ago when RA had signed for it. God knows having billions less in Capex debt wouldn't be so bad, right about now, at these fuel prices.

Yes, we still have the 717, but it's not the same. This hobby of mine is more-or-less retired with the aircraft. But the memories and nostalgia will live on. So long, old friend.
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:23 am

Flew on the PIT-ATL on ship 9010. Sat in row right along the line with the engines. Captain held the brakes for several seconds on runway to allow full throttle from stop. Just loved hearing that JT8D whine one final time.

dennypayne wrote:
I'm finding myself wishing I had tried to book one of the last flights even though I had approximately 630 Mad Dog flights over the years. I have certainly experienced them pretty thoroughly, but being a part of this last send-off, muted as it is, would have been cool.

My first ride was either a Delta Widget or a Continental Saul Bass - wish I'd kept better records back then. I ended up flying on quite a few other Delta and Continental birds in all their liveries, but the bulk of that 630 was on American's silver fleet in and out of Dallas. I managed to fly almost 70% of all the ones AA ever had. Top Dogs with 6 flights each - N564AA and N972TW. I got 2 MD-87 flights on Aeromexico. My last MD-88 flight was on N975DL in 2018, and my last ever Mad Dog now looks like it was MD-90 N936DN about a year ago. Although I suppose it's likely I'll still manage some 717 rides in the not-too-distant future, the full MD experience is now behind me.

I'm gonna miss the comfort of the 2-seat side (A220 here I come), the quiet ride up front (even as I savored the JT8D whine), and the sturdy feel of a Douglas. Missing seatback PTV's never bothered me - if I had to say anything negative it would be the lack of modern power outlets.

Anyway, I think the skies will be a less interesting place from now on. Rest in peace, old friends.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:31 am

This is the shared heavy maintenance facility with Aeromexico. Both M90's are taped up on the side of the tramp. Have not heard what they're going to do with them.

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At this moment, with 1 MD-88 and 3 MD-90s still waiting to be moved into the Historic column in the planespotters.net database, DL's avg fleet age is 14.6 years. There's still a lot of old aircraft (A320s at 24.8 years, the oldest of subfleets now), and with 844 remaining active aircraft it takes a LOT of new aircraft to bring down the fleet avg.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Delta-Air-Lines


Two of the MD90's have been at QRO since the first of the year and were supposed be going through heavy maintenance. I imagine Delta told the contractor to stop work and it could be that they are currently not airworthy. There is also a MD90 stuck at MSP, condition unknown.

I wonder if the MD88 still at ATL won't be preserved for Delta's museum and not be sent to be broken up at BYH?

Given the advanced age of the A320 fleet and the fact that all 62 have been grounded since late-March, I'm wondering if Delta doesn't decide that to be their next subfleet to retire?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:04 pm

n7371f wrote:
This is the shared heavy maintenance facility with Aeromexico. Both M90's are taped up on the side of the tramp. Have not heard what they're going to do with them.

FLALEFTY wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
At this moment, with 1 MD-88 and 3 MD-90s still waiting to be moved into the Historic column in the planespotters.net database, DL's avg fleet age is 14.6 years. There's still a lot of old aircraft (A320s at 24.8 years, the oldest of subfleets now), and with 844 remaining active aircraft it takes a LOT of new aircraft to bring down the fleet avg.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Delta-Air-Lines


Two of the MD90's have been at QRO since the first of the year and were supposed be going through heavy maintenance. I imagine Delta told the contractor to stop work and it could be that they are currently not airworthy. There is also a MD90 stuck at MSP, condition unknown.

I wonder if the MD88 still at ATL won't be preserved for Delta's museum and not be sent to be broken up at BYH?

Given the advanced age of the A320 fleet and the fact that all 62 have been grounded since late-March, I'm wondering if Delta doesn't decide that to be their next subfleet to retire?

I think the two MD90's in QRO are in flyable shape, or just need engines installed to fly. They had timed out for HMV and were flown down there to do the HMV, but were put on hold before the work began. The engines may have had green time and were pulled to support the fleet. They are likely worth more to the scrapper in BYH than a local outfit in QRO. Engines will be pulled from BYH and shipped down so they can be ferried to BYH.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:31 pm

How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:13 pm

There are a couple M90's that ended up in MZJ. At least one has already been scrapped.

9210 - MZJ
9258 - MZJ

Meanwhile...

9209 - QRO
9263 - QRO


UA444 wrote:
How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:54 pm

n7371f wrote:
There are a couple M90's that ended up in MZJ. At least one has already been scrapped.

9210 - MZJ
9258 - MZJ

Meanwhile...

9209 - QRO
9263 - QRO


UA444 wrote:
How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?


I thought 9210 is still at MSP?
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:56 pm

UA444 wrote:
How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?

All depends on how the contracts for asset/aircraft part-out, disposal, and scrapping was awarded to the vendors that bid on the scope of work.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:58 pm

New video posted by Delta that includes footage from 6/2/20 including the final flight arrival in ATL, the photo-op on the ramp after the final flights, the final fly-out to BYH, and a few brief shots at BYH.

There may be some posters/users in the video....

https://news.delta.com/mad-dogs-make-th ... al-flights
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:01 pm

Wasn’t able to upload it here, but here is my favorite pic of the MD-88:

https://flightaware.com/photos/view/708 ... tes/page/1
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:33 am

9210 ferried MSP-MZJ 3/16/20.

LHA320 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
There are a couple M90's that ended up in MZJ. At least one has already been scrapped.

9210 - MZJ
9258 - MZJ

Meanwhile...

9209 - QRO
9263 - QRO


UA444 wrote:
How come none of the MDs went to MZJ or VCV?


I thought 9210 is still at MSP?
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:21 am

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The lights at the top of the sidewalls and the 'windows' you are referencing have always been there.


This can't be true, just looking at the photo earlier in the thread that I posted that shows the aft galley. Have a look adjacent to the windows -- it's just a solid panel there. They are present in the 2006 photos though.

I am surprised I never noticed that they changed the PSUs to be white. But looking back, I only had 2 MD-88 flights before 2011.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 7:09 am

Are any of the MD-90s heading to museums?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:57 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
Are any of the MD-90s heading to museums?

Other than the Delta museum and maybe the Boeing FoF museum I doubt any would want them.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:13 am

There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:26 pm

Anyone want to speculate whether DL will regret retiring an entire fleet if the economy comes roaring back faster than predicted by “the experts?”
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:51 pm

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Anyone want to speculate whether DL will regret retiring an entire fleet if the economy comes roaring back faster than predicted by “the experts?”


They really did nothing but pull ahead the retirements of ~30 MD-90s by two years. The MD-88s had long been tagged to be gone by end 2020, anyway, and the MD-90s by end 2022.

I don't think DL is going to miss 30 mid-range, medium-size narrowbodies. The better question is if/how they'll be able to fund the A220/A321neo deliveries, and what/how long has been deferred.
 
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Re: DL retiring MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:09 pm

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Dalmd88 wrote:
The lights at the top of the sidewalls and the 'windows' you are referencing have always been there.


This can't be true, just looking at the photo earlier in the thread that I posted that shows the aft galley. Have a look adjacent to the windows -- it's just a solid panel there. They are present in the 2006 photos though.

I am surprised I never noticed that they changed the PSUs to be white. But looking back, I only had 2 MD-88 flights before 2011.

You are correct. I didn't recall the sidewall lights not being there way back when. When I worked MD88/90 HMV back in the 90's and early 2000's I avoided the cabin work whenever possible.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:47 pm

The MD88 was really only going to be around to run through peak summer schedule 2020, with the draw down like we just saw happening in the fall, running around remaining green time on the last few and parking at the end of the year.

They would have been needed right now without the massive black swan event we’ve gone through, they really weren’t going to be needed come September.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 1:50 pm

Parking the MD90s, if demand comes back strong in the next two years could in theory extend the life and/or mean that some of the older A320 and 757 return to service instead of permenantly retire.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:41 pm

KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:17 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
exFWAOONW wrote:
Anyone want to speculate whether DL will regret retiring an entire fleet if the economy comes roaring back faster than predicted by “the experts?”


They really did nothing but pull ahead the retirements of ~30 MD-90s by two years. The MD-88s had long been tagged to be gone by end 2020, anyway, and the MD-90s by end 2022.

I don't think DL is going to miss 30 mid-range, medium-size narrowbodies. The better question is if/how they'll be able to fund the A220/A321neo deliveries, and what/how long has been deferred.

I agree. Due to unemployment, there is no chance of a need within 18 months. Delta is a numbers run airline. They will clearly see trends early.

A320(NEO and CEO) and 738 resale values have dropped 15%, see the lease values thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1440991&start=50

If DL needs more aircraft, they'll buy newer, more efficient, cheap.

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Sun Jun 07, 2020 5:47 pm

Delta350 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.


End of the day, the MD-90 was a niche airplane that didn't make a tremendous mark on aviation history, or even history with a single airline. For a long time, Delta only flew 16 MD-90s; only in the last decade did they build up.

The -88 on the other hand was the workhorse for Delta's growth, especially in ATL and CVG.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 6:44 pm

Delta350 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.

Which 99% of the public could not care less about. Most will go MD-what?

There has to be some draw for a museum to dedicate ~150x110x30’+ of space to an exhibit, and the MD-90 does not have it.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:49 pm

Delta350 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.

100% serious.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:15 pm

MD going helped streamline things. One less fleet to crew, have parts for, schedule, etc. By the time they need those 30 extra jets, they’ll have pulled all 717, 737, 320s from storage.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:25 pm

Yeah, I think if they're going to save something, it should probably be N905DL or N900DE. Their first MD-88 would have N909DL. Does anyone know what happened to it? Could they have put that in a museum ultimately, or was the damage too bad? I would think it could be repairable for just a display.

The 90 never really caught on, it has a relatively current generation of engine... I guess it was the largest DC-9 derivative. But the 88 was at Delta 32 years, single owner. I would think that's even more significant than the DC-9 they saved. Would have been neat if they could have saved one that was in service with Delta twice instead.

I would always choose a 90 over anything else but the 88, but... other than that. I wonder are any 90s preserved at all?

Turns out my last flight on a 90 was about a year ago, on N925DN. So I couldn't take the last flight on both the 88 and the 90, obviously, but neat to have flown on the last one as a last trip.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:46 pm

KFTG wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
There is nothing "museum worthy" of a MD-90.

Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.

100% serious.


An MD-90 on display might appeal to a first-rate museum that hopes to have a complete Douglas collection up through the 'modern' narrowbodies DC-9, MD-80, MD-90, 717. Third-rate museums will take what they can get.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:48 pm

I assume that delta doesn't have much confidence in a second life for its retired md80s if they're sending them to BYH and not to some better-suited airport like MZJ or SBD where aircraft are better preserved? I know smaller airlines like LASER, TABAN, Aeronaves, USA Jet etc may be in the market for a cheap pickup to add to their fleet, especially in this inflated COVID cargo market.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:57 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Are you serious? Delta was the last operator in the world to fly those jets.

100% serious.


An MD-90 on display might appeal to a first-rate museum that hopes to have a complete Douglas collection up through the 'modern' narrowbodies DC-9, MD-80, MD-90, 717.

Name one.


You guys are over estimating the appeal of most commercial aircraft for museums.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:43 am

The fate of the MD fleet will be the same as that of AA’s retired hundreds. Scrap, by and large.
 
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:47 am

MDGLongBeach wrote:
I assume that delta doesn't have much confidence in a second life for its retired md80s if they're sending them to BYH and not to some better-suited airport like MZJ or SBD where aircraft are better preserved?


Why would Delta care about that? The supplier/scrapper in BYH is evidently who made the higher bid to buy them from Delta, so they get the planes. It's their job to market them for a "second life" if they think that's viable.
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:41 pm

Richard made a good decision to buy up most of the MD90s around the world, was a cheap and faster way to grow the airline through the 2010s, until 739 and 321s came on-property. If anything, when things bounce back, 739/321 up-gauges should cover for the frequencies lost in the short term.
 
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Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:39 pm

ryanov wrote:
I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.

I was on the inbound last night and nearly every person was very cautious/respectful and so I didn’t say anything here, even though I thought to. Mistake I guess.

So long to an old friend. My first flight on an MD-88 was in 2004 on ship 9006, but I’ve been flying on the MD-80 series at least since 1997 on Continental, also a few trips on AA.

Will really miss the sound of those jets, and that blaring 400 Hz hum that I’ve come to know so well.

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Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:42 pm

N312RC wrote:
ryanov wrote:
I was on DL88 this morning. I have to say I was disappointed in some of the behavior of aviation enthusiasts on this flight. A number of younger basically exclusively males wearing no face covering, or wearing it but around their neck talking loudly. This is a confined space during a pandemic when studies have shown very clearly that talking and singing are among the best ways to send the virus into the air. Do better, if you’re reading this, especially if you are now on or will soon board another flight.


+1 on this, I was there as well and it was disheartening to see these kids acting the way they were. Some of us were just shaking our heads at the overall behavior. No social distancing, no real mask usage. On top of that, although they were on paid tickets, most insisted on wearing their airline ID's (rule 1 is don't wear your airline ID when you travel). Hint: you don't look cool, you just look ridiculous. Most individuals also tagged the inside of the airplane not with clever, reverent, or even downright "nice" words about the Mad Dog, but instead chose to promote themselves by writing web addresses, twitter handles, and the like all over the airplane. There's a fine line between hobby and fetish, and I think some came dangerously close to that line yesterday.


11:59 timestamp here for Twitter handles on windows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaiDJfDO9Fo. :roll:
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Fri Jun 12, 2020 9:09 am

If you are are really bored and want my take on the final MDay of ops, just:

Check out my trip report.

I can gaurentee no bins or sidewalls were harmed in the making of my content loljk

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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:02 pm

1 MD-90 is bring ferried QRO-BYH today.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:09 pm

DL MD90 N963DN is actually going to ferry QRO-MEM-BYH today. I assume the MEM stop has to do with clearing immigration back into the US from Mexico.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Aug 19, 2020 2:41 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
DL MD90 N963DN is actually going to ferry QRO-MEM-BYH today. I assume the MEM stop has to do with clearing immigration back into the US from Mexico.

Makes sense. i was wondering what the Memphis to Blytheville flight was all about. Are there two MD-90's in QRO? and how about the second one then?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:19 pm

Sure hope someone gets some pics or videos of this! May very well be one of the last MD-90 flights of all time.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:06 pm

FlyingViking wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
DL MD90 N963DN is actually going to ferry QRO-MEM-BYH today. I assume the MEM stop has to do with clearing immigration back into the US from Mexico.

Makes sense. i was wondering what the Memphis to Blytheville flight was all about. Are there two MD-90's in QRO? and how about the second one then?


I thought Blytheville had on-call Customs & Immigration available? The agents are located in MEM and a couple of them could take the hour drive up to BYH to meet this MD90 coming in from QRO. But then again, maybe DL wanted to clear customs at MEM for "old time's sake"?

The MD90 count is now down to two not yet at their BYH retirement home, one supposedly at MSP and another still at QRO. I wonder if the one still at QRO was already deep into its heavy check when the "stop work" order was sent down from Atlanta back in February?
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:16 pm

Northwest1988 wrote:
Sure hope someone gets some pics or videos of this! May very well be one of the last MD-90 flights of all time.

I hope someone will pick up a few of them and start a charter airline or something. Maybe next year.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Aug 20, 2020 5:45 pm

FlyingViking wrote:
Northwest1988 wrote:
Sure hope someone gets some pics or videos of this! May very well be one of the last MD-90 flights of all time.

I hope someone will pick up a few of them and start a charter airline or something. Maybe next year.

Has the one expensive engine shop remained certified? Delta is sending zero work their way. This isn't like an old plane where the type is supported.

There is no renting pilot simulator time from DL, they are done.

There is not one airline in the world, other than Delta, with the type on their certificate. No one, other than Delta, has a store of the parts. This is entirely different than a charter starting up with a common aircraft with a ready pilot pool with a ready support industry. Unless a set of Delta pilots who took early retirement from the MD-90 is available, how to staff?

With prior aircraft, Delta, Flight safety, United, or Lufthansa train crew and pilots for these charter airlines. One reason launch customers receive steep discounts is they must path find the support infrastructure. The MD-90 is really odd in that any new buyer must start from a nearly blank slate.

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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:12 pm

Wasn't one of the on-demand cargo / charter ops going to take a few of the DL MD88s to replace their DC-9s?
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:55 pm

Just a note to moderaters, maybe a lot of these 6-8 month old threads should be closed. Covid -19 changed everything! All the new routes, aircraft upgrades or retirements, new orders and new service threads that started early this year are meaningless now! We'll be lucky to see an airline industry still in existence a year from now. As for the subject at hand, the MD80/90 are done for. There may be a few 80s hanging on around the world for awhile but not for long.
 
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Re: Updated: DL retired MD-80/90s quickly

Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:07 pm

Why? This is an active thread....DL ferried an MD90 yesterday.

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